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Title: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RVtitem on July 20, 2018, 10:37:39 AM
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/07/19/stop-inhumane-eviction-in-mau-mp-tells-state_c1789034

The government has been given seven days to resettle the families flushed out of the Mau Forest.

Bomet woman representative Joyce Korir on Tuesday told the government to issue title deeds to genuine landowners and find alternative parcels for the landless.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 20, 2018, 10:58:09 AM
Jubilee were doing fine with planting tea around Mau to demarcate the forest. This is part of Moi Nyayo tea zone. Moi evicted people nearly yearly from Mau but people still went back and encroached more - burning the forest during dry season - and expanding acreage. This will continue forever - as soon as gov take their eyes of the ball - people will troop back into the forest and continue farming.

The solution to protecting MAU - is planting tea all around it. It not practical to fence it off like Mt Kenya.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Higgins the genius on July 21, 2018, 10:52:05 PM
But people are complaining that they are being evicted yet they are not past the cutline. Will Uhuru-Ruto Union survive this time round?
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Omollo on July 22, 2018, 12:37:30 AM

Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 22, 2018, 08:57:36 AM
The problem is some idiotic DC from Narok ignore Jubilee demarcated cutline - with tea zone to booth - and went ahead to evict people within cutline. This Gov has now revised and Ruto or Gov has now ordered people not past the cut line to go back - complete with iron sheet for rebuilding their houses.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Higgins the genius on July 22, 2018, 06:42:58 PM
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Tuju--Mau-evictions-will-go-on-despite-protests-from-politicians/3126390-4676124-5tcvanz/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Tuju--Mau-evictions-will-go-on-despite-protests-from-politicians/3126390-4676124-5tcvanz/index.html)

May will be the end of Jubilee as we know it.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Ole on July 22, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
The DC/Uhuru is doing a good job evicting the encroachers of the water catchment area especially on the Narok side of the the Mau. I wonder why murkconman and the other loudmouth kalenjin legislatures don't protest when their people get evicted from embobut forest.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on July 22, 2018, 11:29:46 PM
The DC/Uhuru is doing a good job evicting the encroachers of the water catchment area especially on the Narok side of the the Mau. I wonder why murkconman and the other loudmouth kalenjin legislatures don't protest when their people get evicted from embobut forest.

Uhuru send the army to massacre these fools kidogo



Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 22, 2018, 11:55:07 PM
The issue is where the forest start..boundary or cutline.The sooner forest and gov land are fenced the sooner this debacle endse
The DC/Uhuru is doing a good job evicting the encroachers of the water catchment area especially on the Narok side of the the Mau. I wonder why murkconman and the other loudmouth kalenjin legislatures don't protest when their people get evicted from embobut forest.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Higgins the genius on July 23, 2018, 12:18:15 AM
The issue is where the forest start..boundary or cutline.The sooner forest and gov land are fenced the sooner this debacle endse
The DC/Uhuru is doing a good job evicting the encroachers of the water catchment area especially on the Narok side of the the Mau. I wonder why murkconman and the other loudmouth kalenjin legislatures don't protest when their people get evicted from embobut forest.

If we can fence Kenya-Somalia border we can surely fence Mau..
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 12:23:24 AM
Cracks are widening. I doubt if Uhuru has the leadership to steer Jubilee from destruction. This Mau issue will spark big fight in rv - and Kikuyu diaspora ultimately will be on the receiving end - if the fallout continues.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Tuju--Mau-evictions-will-go-on-despite-protests-from-politicians/3126390-4676124-5tcvanz/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Tuju--Mau-evictions-will-go-on-despite-protests-from-politicians/3126390-4676124-5tcvanz/index.html)
May will be the end of Jubilee as we know it.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: audacityofhope on July 23, 2018, 03:31:27 AM
As the late Regean would say "There you go again". Kales thinking they can threaten kyuks living in RV so kyuks pay ahadi. Did you see Murkomen mobbed by questions on KTNews to explain who the 'mkora' is and who joined serikali 'through the window' and he could not match the tough talk?

When it comes to suave politics, kales are blundering idiots. Wanajua kifua tu. What did they bring to the table in Jubilee's kumi za Ouru that is good for this country? Zilch. (Look at sorry state of KPLC). Just like the Nada they brought in the other 24 years.

Cracks are widening. I doubt if Uhuru has the leadership to steer Jubilee from destruction. This Mau issue will spark big fight in rv - and Kikuyu diaspora ultimately will be on the receiving end - if the fallout continues.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Tuju--Mau-evictions-will-go-on-despite-protests-from-politicians/3126390-4676124-5tcvanz/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Tuju--Mau-evictions-will-go-on-despite-protests-from-politicians/3126390-4676124-5tcvanz/index.html)
May will be the end of Jubilee as we know it.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: patel on July 23, 2018, 03:48:13 AM
Rivers are drying downstream.  All squatters should be evicted from Mau. Once evicted they can sue those who sold land to them.  NGO should set up a tent city for these people or move them to Eldoret stadium. 
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 08:31:20 AM
No river has dried. Anybody living in forest should be evicted humanely. Unfortunately for many there is actually nobody living in the forest as of now. There are people in what was formerly a forest that gov excised about 27yrs ago and which NGOS went all way to all courts - and  they lost. I personally have 15 acres of formerly Mau - which I have planted fast maturing blue gums and cyrpress. This mau crisis now is another chance for me to add more acreage cheaply.

What is urgently required in Mau forest is the same fencing that has saved Mt Kenya & Aberderers. That way we know who is encroaching Mau. Moi started by planting tea around the forest....Raila and Kibaki made a huge mess of Mau....and Jubilee in the first term started solving it...paying off all squatters or resettling them in places like Majani Baringo...and then demarcating the cut-line & planting tea...that exercise was continuing well before this new mess.

Uhuru should let Ruto handle Mau. Otherwise the inferno from Mau will eventually find him in Ichaweri where he will be fund raising for Mungiki again to go save his people in RV.

Rivers are drying downstream.  All squatters should be evicted from Mau. Once evicted they can sue those who sold land to them.  NGO should set up a tent city for these people or move them to Eldoret stadium. 
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on July 23, 2018, 10:50:59 AM
Desperate pundit and his thieving kalenjins think they can use yesterday's tactics. Ruto is dead and burried. He can form alliance with kalonzo and wait for his arrest.

Uhuru is going to teach kalenjins a lesson. You keep on poking the best. Uhuru is Not kibaki.

Have seen Margaret or his sisters doing anything. They know what is about to go down
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 10:59:02 AM
I am not biting your bait.
Desperate pundit and his thieving kalenjins think they can use yesterday's tactics. Ruto is dead and burried. He can form alliance with kalonzo and wait for his arrest.

Uhuru is going to teach kalenjins a lesson. You keep on poking the best. Uhuru is Not kibaki.

Have seen Margaret or his sisters doing anything. They know what is about to go down
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on July 23, 2018, 11:03:27 AM
Ati uhuru will be fundraising for mungiki. Try your arrows shit now and uhuru will make sure that over 500,000 kales will be burried
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 11:18:14 AM
We shall see...500,000 poor kikuyu will be IDped in one day.If you think our tribal, corrupt & overfed police men will be rescuing poor farmers all over RV then think again. I mean Kenya Army cannot even stop cattle rustling in Pokot. When entire kalenjin nation erupts - then kenya officially will be in civil war and you'll be calling Anan again. I think Mungiki is tried and failed idea.

Uhuru has to be carefully otherwise his legacy will end up like Kibaki - driving kenya nearly to the brink. Kibaki drove kenya nearly to a civil war. All his economic reconstruction came to screeching halt. In Nakuru - Kibaki had to call the army - and at that point - it hit him that Kenya was going - gone. The police basically split a day before - and started shooting each other - and that is civil war.

My free advice to Uhuru - don't touch MAU - even with 10 feet pole. Try honour your agreement with Kalenjin nation. Anything short of that is inciting civil war. We don't want to go into South Sudan kind of nonsense where Kiir thought he was big boy and now the country is gone to dogs - and he cannot beat the neur - with assistance of many countries.

Ati uhuru will be fundraising for mungiki. Try your arrows shit now and uhuru will make sure that over 500,000 kales will be burried
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on July 23, 2018, 11:54:05 AM
Kalenjins cannot hold uhuru or Kenya hostage. This will be decisively realized soon. When I told you uhuru was after ruto you started talking shit. I am telling you keep on fucking with uhuru he will go for your mama and even if you evict kikuyus he will make sure the losses you will suffer will be immense. It will be to a point where you all be heading out of Kenya
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 12:11:11 PM
The definite loser is kikuyu diaspora who are settled or nestled amongst kalenjin. I am mean Uhuru maybe has his private army or militia that are very capable - but I don't see how he will be protecting kikuyus peasant from Turbo all the way to Nakuru. If you didn't learn anything on 2007 - then you'll repeat the same mistake. I am just warning you that kalenjin youth bulge is Uhuru biggest threat if he wanted to screw up Kalenjin nation and here they will see huge land or opportunities to steal from Kikuyu settlers.

This is not the usual luos - who just riot in Kondele. You're inciting a war you cannot finish. A war that your people will be the definite loser. How you plan to protect kikuyus living amongst Kalenjin from Turbo to Eldoret to Burnt forest to Londiani to Rongai to Molo to Njoro to Nakuru is beyond me.

Don't play with lives of poor kikuyus. Their lives matters. You incite a war with Kalenjin and they get beat. You take down Ruto - they take down your diaspora. You poisoned RV for many generations and your people will find living in RV too risky and they will be an exodus to Kiambu & sorrounding - with resulting crime & all the evils.

Kalenjins cannot hold uhuru or Kenya hostage. This will be decisively realized soon. When I told you uhuru was after ruto you started talking shit. I am telling you keep on fucking with uhuru he will go for your mama and even if you evict kikuyus he will make sure the losses you will suffer will be immense. It will be to a point where you all be heading out of Kenya
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on July 23, 2018, 12:19:56 PM
Haha we are not buying fear go sell that to another tribe not kikuyus
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 12:22:00 PM
Why did nearly 600K of fearless kikuyu ran from their homes in 2007. Kibaki was PORK wasn't he?
Haha we are not buying fear go sell that to another tribe not kikuyus
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on July 23, 2018, 12:33:21 PM
Why did nearly 600K of fearless kikuyu ran from their homes in 2007. Kibaki was PORK wasn't he?
Haha we are not buying fear go sell that to another tribe not kikuyus

Wait you cannot win all wars.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on July 23, 2018, 12:35:50 PM
I knew mau was a coded word that you will create fear to get your way..not this time around ..your uncivilized tribe will be brought to 21st century. Those kalenjin marathoners will be first casualties. Remember how sang died like a dog.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 01:20:02 PM
My friend if Kalenjin warrior held Brits for more than 10yrs in 1900 - the Brits only won when they killed Koitaele in cold blood- what you're courting is huge disaster. Don't try it. Mau forest is not a code word. Mau forest settlement leave it for maasai & kipsigis & ogiek to square it out. Moi settled the Kipsigis there to compensate for loss of land to whites & kikuyu settlers. You touch Mau - you begin a chain reaction that will eventually cause lot of trouble.

Kimunya mishandled it - and it led to lots of trouble for kikuyus in RV - then Raila came and made a huge mess. Jubilee were on course to sort out Mau issue - they settled all the squattors who had crossed the forest - and as demarcated the cutline by planting tea zone around it - and nobody was really in the forest.

Don't lie to Uhuru that he can defend poor kikuyu peasant all over RV. He cannot.

I knew mau was a coded word that you will create fear to get your way..not this time around ..your uncivilized tribe will be brought to 21st century. Those kalenjin marathoners will be first casualties. Remember how sang died like a dog.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 23, 2018, 01:27:09 PM
in 1850 - many knew better than you - in 21st century. In 2007 - you saw more than half million of your people kicked out in a week - despite Kibaki controlling all lever of power - and that was Raila war. Want to try a Ruto war - please don't.

The defeat of the Arabs created the "Nandi legend." The Nandi were undefeatable. Porters could not be hired and expeditions could not be launched into Nandi for nearly forty years. The Nandi warriors stood proudly aloof from the events that were swirling around them confident to defend their independence.

After considering several options, Major G. G. Cunningham decided to invade Nandi with a field force of 400 askari of the I, IV, V, IX URR, with a Maxim, 600 porters, and 800 followers from Kampala. The huge caravan attracted a lot of attention as it marched to Mumias. The local natives were awed by the spectacle that was arrayed against the Nandi. At Mumias on October 29, Cunningham was joined by Dr. Mackinnon. The total column consisted then consisted of five Europeans, seven native officers, 367 askari, 23 Baganda "drilled and disciplined" auxiliaries, and a few armed "Swahili" porters in the Maxim detachment. After Captain C.H. Sitwell's column arrived, the number of askari increased to 428. This was more than one third of the total regular troops available in the protectorate.

Wait you cannot win all wars.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 23, 2018, 02:33:59 PM
Killing GEMA will not help Ruto - it would only solidify all RV diaspora against him including Kisii and Luhya. Like you say the warriors are unhinged. Murkomen's war cries are meaningless because there is no Raila to demonize. Kalenjin are already in Ruto column so he gains nothing. It's a silly move for Kalenjin to start war with Ruto running for PORK.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: patel on July 23, 2018, 06:12:42 PM
Hard to figure out what murconmen game plan is here ......looks like a man under siege. Jubilee will definitely neuter him and most likely replace him as senator majority leader. It makes no sense to retain someone like murconmen as a majority leader, all 3 Kenya dynasty are after him.
Sad but these squatters need to be relocated from mau water towers to kakuma refugee camp.

 
Killing GEMA will not help Ruto - it would only solidify all RV diaspora against him including Kisii and Luhya. Like you say the warriors are unhinged. Murkomen's war cries are meaningless because there is no Raila to demonize. Kalenjin are already in Ruto column so he gains nothing. It's a silly move for Kalenjin to start war with Ruto running for PORK.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Kichwa on July 23, 2018, 06:20:03 PM
Blaa blaa and blaaa.  Ruto will not be president and there will be no war.

in 1850 - many knew better than you - in 21st century. In 2007 - you saw more than half million of your people kicked out in a week - despite Kibaki controlling all lever of power - and that was Raila war. Want to try a Ruto war - please don't.

The defeat of the Arabs created the "Nandi legend." The Nandi were undefeatable. Porters could not be hired and expeditions could not be launched into Nandi for nearly forty years. The Nandi warriors stood proudly aloof from the events that were swirling around them confident to defend their independence.

After considering several options, Major G. G. Cunningham decided to invade Nandi with a field force of 400 askari of the I, IV, V, IX URR, with a Maxim, 600 porters, and 800 followers from Kampala. The huge caravan attracted a lot of attention as it marched to Mumias. The local natives were awed by the spectacle that was arrayed against the Nandi. At Mumias on October 29, Cunningham was joined by Dr. Mackinnon. The total column consisted then consisted of five Europeans, seven native officers, 367 askari, 23 Baganda "drilled and disciplined" auxiliaries, and a few armed "Swahili" porters in the Maxim detachment. After Captain C.H. Sitwell's column arrived, the number of askari increased to 428. This was more than one third of the total regular troops available in the protectorate.

Wait you cannot win all wars.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 23, 2018, 10:45:01 PM
Pundit still thinks the stars are lined for Ruto, we can see they're not, would he scuttle them further? I doubt it, he's too clever. Starting war would be a big disadvantage for Ruto... with Raila and Uhuru on one side he loses the optics & propaganda hands down. In Mau alone it's easy to slice away Maa from him - Maa view Mau issue as a Kalenjin encroachment on their livelihood. On Mau Ruto has much more to lose politically than Uhuru or Raila. Already his image is that of a corrupt brinkman... Mau is a juicy bait he should resist by silencing idiots like Murkomen.

Blaa blaa and blaaa.  Ruto will not be president and there will be no war.

in 1850 - many knew better than you - in 21st century. In 2007 - you saw more than half million of your people kicked out in a week - despite Kibaki controlling all lever of power - and that was Raila war. Want to try a Ruto war - please don't.

The defeat of the Arabs created the "Nandi legend." The Nandi were undefeatable. Porters could not be hired and expeditions could not be launched into Nandi for nearly forty years. The Nandi warriors stood proudly aloof from the events that were swirling around them confident to defend their independence.

After considering several options, Major G. G. Cunningham decided to invade Nandi with a field force of 400 askari of the I, IV, V, IX URR, with a Maxim, 600 porters, and 800 followers from Kampala. The huge caravan attracted a lot of attention as it marched to Mumias. The local natives were awed by the spectacle that was arrayed against the Nandi. At Mumias on October 29, Cunningham was joined by Dr. Mackinnon. The total column consisted then consisted of five Europeans, seven native officers, 367 askari, 23 Baganda "drilled and disciplined" auxiliaries, and a few armed "Swahili" porters in the Maxim detachment. After Captain C.H. Sitwell's column arrived, the number of askari increased to 428. This was more than one third of the total regular troops available in the protectorate.

Wait you cannot win all wars.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 24, 2018, 10:34:27 AM
Told you this fool is acting on his own or being used to test the waters. Murkomen is Moses Kuria calibre of verbal diarrhea. Anyhow it seems Ruto will need a new party with Uhuru controlling Jubilee.

President’s call saves Murkomen’s Senate job at the last minute
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/President-s-call-saves-Murkomen-s-Senate-job/3126390-4676546-12ty27az/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/President-s-call-saves-Murkomen-s-Senate-job/3126390-4676546-12ty27az/index.html)

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Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 24, 2018, 10:53:08 AM
I think the attacks will only happen when fallout is final...either pre or post - but definitely it will happen if uhuru and ruto fall out.
Pundit still thinks the stars are lined for Ruto, we can see they're not, would he scuttle them further? I doubt it, he's too clever. Starting war would be a big disadvantage for Ruto... with Raila and Uhuru on one side he loses the optics & propaganda hands down. In Mau alone it's easy to slice away Maa from him - Maa view Mau issue as a Kalenjin encroachment on their livelihood. On Mau Ruto has much more to lose politically than Uhuru or Raila. Already his image is that of a corrupt brinkman... Mau is a juicy bait he should resist by silencing idiots like Murkomen.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 24, 2018, 10:55:16 AM
Yeap Ruto need to call for early Jubilee elections otherwise it appears the party is under Uhuru control. There are lots of PNU reminant of Kibaki regime who have slowly warmed their way back to power and those are the guys attacking Ruto ferociously. There is really no love lost btw them & Ruto - likes of Kibicho, Mbugua & such. Ruto has parliament..but it appears he is loosing the executive and the party to Uhuru. He need to start calling for elections to replace the interim officials - likes of Tuju & Murathe - or well start forming another party.
Told you this fool is acting on his own or being used to test the waters. Murkomen is Moses Kuria calibre of verbal diarrhea. Anyhow it seems Ruto will need a new party with Uhuru controlling Jubilee.

President’s call saves Murkomen’s Senate job at the last minute
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/President-s-call-saves-Murkomen-s-Senate-job/3126390-4676546-12ty27az/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/President-s-call-saves-Murkomen-s-Senate-job/3126390-4676546-12ty27az/index.html)

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Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 24, 2018, 12:23:45 PM
Ruto needs to manage his image - stop opposing war on corruption via the Sudis, Murkomens and Duales - stop endless harambees which out him as corrupt. You can't convince Kenyans you're just generous with hard earned money which you miraculously made as a mere politician. Corruption is a big issue which will undermine him outside RV. Another way to lose Kenya is to start war against the diaspora. He has the most to lose.

Yeap Ruto need to call for early Jubilee elections otherwise it appears the party is under Uhuru control. There are lots of PNU reminant of Kibaki regime who have slowly warmed their way back to power and those are the guys attacking Ruto ferociously. There is really no love lost btw them & Ruto - likes of Kibicho, Mbugua & such. Ruto has parliament..but it appears he is loosing the executive and the party to Uhuru. He need to start calling for elections to replace the interim officials - likes of Tuju & Murathe - or well start forming another party.
Told you this fool is acting on his own or being used to test the waters. Murkomen is Moses Kuria calibre of verbal diarrhea. Anyhow it seems Ruto will need a new party with Uhuru controlling Jubilee.

President’s call saves Murkomen’s Senate job at the last minute
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/President-s-call-saves-Murkomen-s-Senate-job/3126390-4676546-12ty27az/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/President-s-call-saves-Murkomen-s-Senate-job/3126390-4676546-12ty27az/index.html)

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Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 24, 2018, 12:40:13 PM
Which kenyans are you talking about - the Big 5 tribes will pretend to care about issues but generally they have their own bosses. ISSUES never mattered in kenya - ask Kichwa - I took 15yrs schooling on that :).

Ruto has to concentrate on the small tribes and those one care about money, harambees and projects - and patronage (which is why Ruto has to be in Gov & Jubilee). Ruto has to try add to his Kalenjin core - another 15% - to make a realistic stab of power - before he negotiate with any of big 5. Obviously GEMA owes him big-time and he need to make them pay and therefore GEMA diaspora as hostage will be used. He has to play that smartly like he is doing. If he falls out with Uhuru - then he need to think about talking to Luhyas or Kambas -  talking with Raila & Luos is waste of time because they want PORK as bad as Ruto want it.

Anyway I think Ruto has made significant headways in KAMATUSA, Somalis & related, he is cracking Bukusu and COAST. That should probably put him at 30-35%. He need to forget about GEMA for now...he should not appear desperate for their support....but should work on his own support base.

He also need to figure out what Uhuru game-plan really is and start a countering it early. If Uhuru buys into Raila constitutional ammendment - Ruto has to counter that by making sure it exclude Uhuru from taking either of new positions.As long as Uhuru is not running in any form - Ruto can beat any GEMA upstart, Raila and the rest - and Uhuru will have no option but to support Ruto. I don't think GEMA can trust a mercurial Raila or Luos. They simply cannot.

Ruto needs to manage his image - stop opposing war on corruption via the Sudis, Murkomens and Duales - stop endless harambees which out him as corrupt. You can't convince Kenyans you're just generous with hard earned money which you miraculously made as a mere politician. Corruption is a big issue which will undermine him outside RV. Another way to lose Kenya is to start war against the diaspora. He has the most to lose.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 24, 2018, 12:49:30 PM
My guess is Uhuru wants PM or something close where he can't be fired and has real power. While Raila or Ruto get PORK. He rightly doesn't trust Ruto to give him 50% GoK as PORK because Ruto has a big base like Raila. If Ruto was a hapless fool with Kalenjin only - like Kalonzo - Uhuru & GEMA would trust him. Noone trusts a cunning fox - which is what Ruto and Raila are.

Which kenyans are you talking about - the Big 5 tribes will pretend to care about issues but generally they have their own bosses. ISSUES never mattered in kenya - ask Kichwa - I took 15yrs schooling on that :).

Ruto has to concentrate on the small tribes and those one care about money, harambees and projects - and patronage (which is why Ruto has to be in Gov & Jubilee). Ruto has to try add to his Kalenjin core - another 15% - to make a realistic stab of power - before he negotiate with any of big 5. Obviously GEMA owes him big-time and he need to make them pay and therefore GEMA diaspora as hostage will be used. He has to play that smartly like he is doing. If he falls out with Uhuru - then he need to think about talking to Luhyas or Kambas -  talking with Raila & Luos is waste of time because they want PORK as bad as Ruto want it.

Anyway I think Ruto has made significant headways in KAMATUSA, Somalis & related, he is cracking Bukusu and COAST. That should probably put him at 30-35%. He need to forget about GEMA for now...he should not appear desperate for their support....but should work on his own support base.

He also need to figure out what Uhuru game-plan really is and start a countering it early. If Uhuru buys into Raila constitutional ammendment - Ruto has to counter that by making sure it exclude Uhuru from taking either of new positions.As long as Uhuru is not running in any form - Ruto can beat any GEMA upstart, Raila and the rest - and Uhuru will have no option but to support Ruto. I don't think GEMA can trust a mercurial Raila or Luos. They simply cannot.

Ruto needs to manage his image - stop opposing war on corruption via the Sudis, Murkomens and Duales - stop endless harambees which out him as corrupt. You can't convince Kenyans you're just generous with hard earned money which you miraculously made as a mere politician. Corruption is a big issue which will undermine him outside RV. Another way to lose Kenya is to start war against the diaspora. He has the most to lose.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 24, 2018, 01:00:35 PM
Uhuru has to go home. That I think is not negotiable in kenyans minds. Term limit is term limit. He can become Chief Jubilee Supreme Leader and he can also pick DPORK for Ruto.

If he goes for PM - he'll need MPS and the hardwork of being in parliament - it simply won't work. The man has enough money from Mama Ngina and his own stash to be embarrassed in parliament by Babu Owinos. If he tries to remove the presidential term limit - he'll see the biggest revolution in kenya.

Basically Uhuru has to go through seven stages of accepting power loss in 2022. His best bet remain supreme/party leader of Jubilee (just to make him relevant), dpork of his own choice and MOU of 50-50 with Ruto.
 
My guess is Uhuru wants PM or something close where he can't be fired and has real power. While Raila or Ruto get PORK. He rightly doesn't trust Ruto to give him 50% GoK as PORK because Ruto has a big base like Raila. If Ruto was a hapless fool with Kalenjin only - like Kalonzo - Uhuru & GEMA would trust him. Noone trusts a cunning fox - which is what Ruto and Raila are.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 24, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
You need to give Uhuru some credit. I think night meetings to discuss Ruto have been ongoing since 2013. Who would have guessed he was discussing Handshake behind Ruto's back? He would be naive to believe Ruto with a massive base will hand over 50% of GoK as PORK. He should ensure Ruto has a small base and does not control full KANU Moi machine. With a small base and insufficient numbers - a sort of checkmate - Uhuru will be spoilt for choice between Raila and Ruto. He'll be in Ruto's 2012 pole position. Ruto had to be reimbursed for URP investment to support Uhuru and was co-president until 2017 swearing in. There is no reason Uhuru or GEMA should back him foolishly for nothing over some MOU.

Uhuru says we're both in or out... I'm counting on the fallout to collapse the Jubilee House of Cards. So long as corruption is cut back to size in the process that's good for Kenya.

Uhuru has to go home. That I think is not negotiable in kenyans minds. Term limit is term limit. He can become Chief Jubilee Supreme Leader and he can also pick DPORK for Ruto.

If he goes for PM - he'll need MPS and the hardwork of being in parliament - it simply won't work. The man has enough money from Mama Ngina and his own stash to be embarrassed in parliament by Babu Owinos. If he tries to remove the presidential term limit - he'll see the biggest revolution in kenya.

Basically Uhuru has to go through seven stages of accepting power loss in 2022. His best bet remain supreme/party leader of Jubilee (just to make him relevant), dpork of his own choice and MOU of 50-50 with Ruto.
 
My guess is Uhuru wants PM or something close where he can't be fired and has real power. While Raila or Ruto get PORK. He rightly doesn't trust Ruto to give him 50% GoK as PORK because Ruto has a big base like Raila. If Ruto was a hapless fool with Kalenjin only - like Kalonzo - Uhuru & GEMA would trust him. Noone trusts a cunning fox - which is what Ruto and Raila are.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 24, 2018, 01:28:54 PM
Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 24, 2018, 01:55:49 PM
That can only work if Uhuru is planting to front a gema candidate -in which case the non-gema will easily rally around Ruto given Raila is really past his sell-by-date and has basically like GEMA betrayed everyone. Ruto squaring with Gema candidate would be easy stuff for Ruto.

So the way I see contrary to what you say - GEMA find themselves in unviable position if they are not ready for 2022 - Uhuru has term limit to contend with and there is no GEMA heir apparent who can be sold in 2022 - they were all destroyed in last election.

 Do you get Peter Kenneth from the dustbin and try to make him win PORK against machine like Ruto & Raila? Will a new Kikuyu upstart even manage to unite GEMA - or RV Kikuyu diaspora-for own safety & Meru-Embu wing will go rogue & honour Ruto 2022 deal?

Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 24, 2018, 02:12:49 PM
GEMA don't need a candidate in 2022 - that's a tall order after 35 years with present 20. Kalenjin at least have 20 year break since Moi. What they need is to scuttle non-GEMA play by Ruto by supporting Raila, Madvd, Joho, etc. That way Ruto needs them like they needed him in 2012.

2012 Ruto had his own party URP while Uhuru had GEMA. Uhuru should deny Ruto control of Jubilee and non-GEMA dominance. He has a full toolkit to do this with PORK and Raila. That way Ruto will be forced to deal a proper 50-50 likely with a puppet DPORK. Allowing Ruto full power now like you dream - and waiting to be Supreme Leader :) -  is laughable stupidity. To quote you & Fred Douglas, power concedes nothing without a demand...

I think Uhuru is playing his cards well. Once the scramble is over, there'll be hugs & smiles at Jevanjee or KICC as Ruto's new party signs MOU with Jubilee :)... until 2028 when he throw them out in final term.

That can only work if Uhuru is planting to front a gema candidate -in which case the non-gema will easily rally around Ruto given Raila is really past his sell-by-date and has basically like GEMA betrayed everyone. Ruto squaring with Gema candidate would be easy stuff for Ruto.

So the way I see contrary to what you say - GEMA find themselves in unviable position if they are not ready for 2022 - Uhuru has term limit to contend with and there is no GEMA heir apparent who can be sold in 2022 - they were all destroyed in last election.

 Do you get Peter Kenneth from the dustbin and try to make him win PORK against machine like Ruto & Raila? Will a new Kikuyu upstart even manage to unite GEMA - or RV Kikuyu diaspora-for own safety & Meru-Embu wing will go rogue & honour Ruto 2022 deal?

Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 24, 2018, 02:25:20 PM
Sound complicated. Go slow on Uhuru. He is no musk. I think at end of the day the best deal for Uhuru is to remain Jubilee party leader than trying make Jubilee gema or kikuyu only party by splintering it. It would make sense to allow Ruto to bring on board even more tribes to Jubilee and be the supreme leader. At this point - Uhuru has done it all - he just need something to keep him busy and occuppied - something like "Obama foundation". I believe Ruto will be committed to 50-50 deal. Ruto is very reasonable and knows with GEMA behind him - he'll be able to transform Kenya - rather than fight. And GEMA DPORK will get a thro ball in 2033.
GEMA don't need a candidate in 2022 - that's a tall order after 35 years with present 20. Kalenjin at least have 20 year break since Moi. What they need is to scuttle non-GEMA play by Ruto by supporting Raila, Madvd, Joho, etc. That way Ruto needs them like they needed him in 2012.

2012 Ruto had his own party URP while Uhuru had GEMA. Uhuru should deny Ruto control of Jubilee and non-GEMA dominance. He has a full toolkit to do this with PORK and Raila. That way Ruto will be forced to deal a proper 50-50 likely with a puppet DPORK. Allowing Ruto full power now like you dream - and waiting to be Supreme Leader :) -  is laughable stupidity. To quote you & Fred Douglas, power concedes nothing without a demand...

I think Uhuru is playing his cards well. Once the scramble is over, there'll be hugs & smiles at Jevanjee or KICC as Ruto's new party signs MOU with Jubilee :)... until 2028 when he throw them out in final term.

That can only work if Uhuru is planting to front a gema candidate -in which case the non-gema will easily rally around Ruto given Raila is really past his sell-by-date and has basically like GEMA betrayed everyone. Ruto squaring with Gema candidate would be easy stuff for Ruto.

So the way I see contrary to what you say - GEMA find themselves in unviable position if they are not ready for 2022 - Uhuru has term limit to contend with and there is no GEMA heir apparent who can be sold in 2022 - they were all destroyed in last election.

 Do you get Peter Kenneth from the dustbin and try to make him win PORK against machine like Ruto & Raila? Will a new Kikuyu upstart even manage to unite GEMA - or RV Kikuyu diaspora-for own safety & Meru-Embu wing will go rogue & honour Ruto 2022 deal?

Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: audacityofhope on July 24, 2018, 02:28:29 PM
Luto in 2014/5, barely two years after Jubilee used Mau as a strategy for 2013 elections. Hawana haya!


Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: audacityofhope on July 24, 2018, 02:40:21 PM
It beats me for anyone to seriously think that the DP is popular outside kalenjin Rift Valley. Some kyuks in central think he will protect Uhuru after he leaves office, how come Uhuru himself does not think he needs him? The Nyeri town MP Ngunjiri Wambugu who was an avid blogger on Mashada and Jukwa has scoffed.
Rightly so-  If DP is so popular in the coast how come Jubilee won almost nothing at coast both in 2013 and 2017? Gov Joho this week already told him to stopwasting his time in pwani. Those like Aisha Jumwa are only after the gravey train.
Sound complicated. Go slow on Uhuru. He is no musk. I think at end of the day the best deal for Uhuru is to remain Jubilee party leader than trying make Jubilee gema or kikuyu only party by splintering it. It would make sense to allow Ruto to bring on board even more tribes to Jubilee and be the supreme leader. At this point - Uhuru has done it all - he just need something to keep him busy and occuppied - something like "Obama foundation". I believe Ruto will be committed to 50-50 deal. Ruto is very reasonable and knows with GEMA behind him - he'll be able to transform Kenya - rather than fight. And GEMA DPORK will get a thro ball in 2033.
GEMA don't need a candidate in 2022 - that's a tall order after 35 years with present 20. Kalenjin at least have 20 year break since Moi. What they need is to scuttle non-GEMA play by Ruto by supporting Raila, Madvd, Joho, etc. That way Ruto needs them like they needed him in 2012.

2012 Ruto had his own party URP while Uhuru had GEMA. Uhuru should deny Ruto control of Jubilee and non-GEMA dominance. He has a full toolkit to do this with PORK and Raila. That way Ruto will be forced to deal a proper 50-50 likely with a puppet DPORK. Allowing Ruto full power now like you dream - and waiting to be Supreme Leader :) -  is laughable stupidity. To quote you & Fred Douglas, power concedes nothing without a demand...

I think Uhuru is playing his cards well. Once the scramble is over, there'll be hugs & smiles at Jevanjee or KICC as Ruto's new party signs MOU with Jubilee :)... until 2028 when he throw them out in final term.

That can only work if Uhuru is planting to front a gema candidate -in which case the non-gema will easily rally around Ruto given Raila is really past his sell-by-date and has basically like GEMA betrayed everyone. Ruto squaring with Gema candidate would be easy stuff for Ruto.

So the way I see contrary to what you say - GEMA find themselves in unviable position if they are not ready for 2022 - Uhuru has term limit to contend with and there is no GEMA heir apparent who can be sold in 2022 - they were all destroyed in last election.

 Do you get Peter Kenneth from the dustbin and try to make him win PORK against machine like Ruto & Raila? Will a new Kikuyu upstart even manage to unite GEMA - or RV Kikuyu diaspora-for own safety & Meru-Embu wing will go rogue & honour Ruto 2022 deal?

Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 24, 2018, 02:47:14 PM
We agree on most things except that Ruto is "trustworthy" and "committed to 50-50" without a political necessity. That's really naive. Why didn't Ruto dissolve URP and trust GEMA in 2012? Uhuru should and will retire but continued influence depends on how much Ruto needs him. Containing Ruto by supporting Raila, etc is in GEMA's interest. That is the smart thing to do, not to trust and support Ruto blindly. That's what it's all about with corrupt Chumos and Ndubais as collateral.

Sound complicated. Go slow on Uhuru. He is no musk. I think at end of the day the best deal for Uhuru is to remain Jubilee party leader than trying make Jubilee gema or kikuyu only party by splintering it. It would make sense to allow Ruto to bring on board even more tribes to Jubilee and be the supreme leader. At this point - Uhuru has done it all - he just need something to keep him busy and occuppied - something like "Obama foundation". I believe Ruto will be committed to 50-50 deal. Ruto is very reasonable and knows with GEMA behind him - he'll be able to transform Kenya - rather than fight. And GEMA DPORK will get a thro ball in 2033.
GEMA don't need a candidate in 2022 - that's a tall order after 35 years with present 20. Kalenjin at least have 20 year break since Moi. What they need is to scuttle non-GEMA play by Ruto by supporting Raila, Madvd, Joho, etc. That way Ruto needs them like they needed him in 2012.

2012 Ruto had his own party URP while Uhuru had GEMA. Uhuru should deny Ruto control of Jubilee and non-GEMA dominance. He has a full toolkit to do this with PORK and Raila. That way Ruto will be forced to deal a proper 50-50 likely with a puppet DPORK. Allowing Ruto full power now like you dream - and waiting to be Supreme Leader :) -  is laughable stupidity. To quote you & Fred Douglas, power concedes nothing without a demand...

I think Uhuru is playing his cards well. Once the scramble is over, there'll be hugs & smiles at Jevanjee or KICC as Ruto's new party signs MOU with Jubilee :)... until 2028 when he throw them out in final term.

That can only work if Uhuru is planting to front a gema candidate -in which case the non-gema will easily rally around Ruto given Raila is really past his sell-by-date and has basically like GEMA betrayed everyone. Ruto squaring with Gema candidate would be easy stuff for Ruto.

So the way I see contrary to what you say - GEMA find themselves in unviable position if they are not ready for 2022 - Uhuru has term limit to contend with and there is no GEMA heir apparent who can be sold in 2022 - they were all destroyed in last election.

 Do you get Peter Kenneth from the dustbin and try to make him win PORK against machine like Ruto & Raila? Will a new Kikuyu upstart even manage to unite GEMA - or RV Kikuyu diaspora-for own safety & Meru-Embu wing will go rogue & honour Ruto 2022 deal?

Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 24, 2018, 02:56:12 PM
Ruto has a polarizing image which he's trying to fix through harambees and maendeleo tours and playing the nice loyal deputy. Uhuru and Raila will not let him - they are baiting him to erupt and show his true colors. What matters is how many influencers - Nanoks, Wetas, Kingis - he can buy to garner regional support whereas Raila and Uhuru seek to scuttle this. That's Kenyan politics for you, not the Obamaesque popularity you seem to imply.

It beats me for anyone to seriously think that the DP is popular outside kalenjin Rift Valley. Some kyuks in central think he will protect Uhuru after he leaves office, how come Uhuru himself does not think he needs him? The Nyeri town MP Ngunjiri Wambugu who was an avid blogger on Mashada and Jukwa has scoffed.
Rightly so-  If DP is so popular in the coast how come Jubilee won almost nothing at coast both in 2013 and 2017? Gov Joho this week already told him to stopwasting his time in pwani. Those like Aisha Jumwa are only after the gravey train.
Sound complicated. Go slow on Uhuru. He is no musk. I think at end of the day the best deal for Uhuru is to remain Jubilee party leader than trying make Jubilee gema or kikuyu only party by splintering it. It would make sense to allow Ruto to bring on board even more tribes to Jubilee and be the supreme leader. At this point - Uhuru has done it all - he just need something to keep him busy and occuppied - something like "Obama foundation". I believe Ruto will be committed to 50-50 deal. Ruto is very reasonable and knows with GEMA behind him - he'll be able to transform Kenya - rather than fight. And GEMA DPORK will get a thro ball in 2033.
GEMA don't need a candidate in 2022 - that's a tall order after 35 years with present 20. Kalenjin at least have 20 year break since Moi. What they need is to scuttle non-GEMA play by Ruto by supporting Raila, Madvd, Joho, etc. That way Ruto needs them like they needed him in 2012.

2012 Ruto had his own party URP while Uhuru had GEMA. Uhuru should deny Ruto control of Jubilee and non-GEMA dominance. He has a full toolkit to do this with PORK and Raila. That way Ruto will be forced to deal a proper 50-50 likely with a puppet DPORK. Allowing Ruto full power now like you dream - and waiting to be Supreme Leader :) -  is laughable stupidity. To quote you & Fred Douglas, power concedes nothing without a demand...

I think Uhuru is playing his cards well. Once the scramble is over, there'll be hugs & smiles at Jevanjee or KICC as Ruto's new party signs MOU with Jubilee :)... until 2028 when he throw them out in final term.

That can only work if Uhuru is planting to front a gema candidate -in which case the non-gema will easily rally around Ruto given Raila is really past his sell-by-date and has basically like GEMA betrayed everyone. Ruto squaring with Gema candidate would be easy stuff for Ruto.

So the way I see contrary to what you say - GEMA find themselves in unviable position if they are not ready for 2022 - Uhuru has term limit to contend with and there is no GEMA heir apparent who can be sold in 2022 - they were all destroyed in last election.

 Do you get Peter Kenneth from the dustbin and try to make him win PORK against machine like Ruto & Raila? Will a new Kikuyu upstart even manage to unite GEMA - or RV Kikuyu diaspora-for own safety & Meru-Embu wing will go rogue & honour Ruto 2022 deal?

Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Kichwa on July 24, 2018, 08:26:46 PM
Like I said before, Ruto is nothing without Ouru. The only thing still propping Ruto up is his money but that can only take him so far as new sources of looting are being closed.  Sooner or later he will start being careful with his money.  Ruto without money is a very polarizing figure whose appeal is confined to Kalenjin.  Even some members of the Mt. Kenya tangatanga squad who used to follow him around are now  being seen elsewhere. The Mau forest which he exploited against Raila not too long ago is not working anymore as more folks are now more educated about the science of environmental conservation. Ruto is being deflated like a big fat balloon right before our eyes. He is like a tire with a slow puncture.

We agree on most things except that Ruto is "trustworthy" and "committed to 50-50" without a political necessity. That's really naive. Why didn't Ruto dissolve URP and trust GEMA in 2012? Uhuru should and will retire but continued influence depends on how much Ruto needs him. Containing Ruto by supporting Raila, etc is in GEMA's interest. That is the smart thing to do, not to trust and support Ruto blindly. That's what it's all about with corrupt Chumos and Ndubais as collateral.

Sound complicated. Go slow on Uhuru. He is no musk. I think at end of the day the best deal for Uhuru is to remain Jubilee party leader than trying make Jubilee gema or kikuyu only party by splintering it. It would make sense to allow Ruto to bring on board even more tribes to Jubilee and be the supreme leader. At this point - Uhuru has done it all - he just need something to keep him busy and occuppied - something like "Obama foundation". I believe Ruto will be committed to 50-50 deal. Ruto is very reasonable and knows with GEMA behind him - he'll be able to transform Kenya - rather than fight. And GEMA DPORK will get a thro ball in 2033.
GEMA don't need a candidate in 2022 - that's a tall order after 35 years with present 20. Kalenjin at least have 20 year break since Moi. What they need is to scuttle non-GEMA play by Ruto by supporting Raila, Madvd, Joho, etc. That way Ruto needs them like they needed him in 2012.

2012 Ruto had his own party URP while Uhuru had GEMA. Uhuru should deny Ruto control of Jubilee and non-GEMA dominance. He has a full toolkit to do this with PORK and Raila. That way Ruto will be forced to deal a proper 50-50 likely with a puppet DPORK. Allowing Ruto full power now like you dream - and waiting to be Supreme Leader :) -  is laughable stupidity. To quote you & Fred Douglas, power concedes nothing without a demand...

I think Uhuru is playing his cards well. Once the scramble is over, there'll be hugs & smiles at Jevanjee or KICC as Ruto's new party signs MOU with Jubilee :)... until 2028 when he throw them out in final term.

That can only work if Uhuru is planting to front a gema candidate -in which case the non-gema will easily rally around Ruto given Raila is really past his sell-by-date and has basically like GEMA betrayed everyone. Ruto squaring with Gema candidate would be easy stuff for Ruto.

So the way I see contrary to what you say - GEMA find themselves in unviable position if they are not ready for 2022 - Uhuru has term limit to contend with and there is no GEMA heir apparent who can be sold in 2022 - they were all destroyed in last election.

 Do you get Peter Kenneth from the dustbin and try to make him win PORK against machine like Ruto & Raila? Will a new Kikuyu upstart even manage to unite GEMA - or RV Kikuyu diaspora-for own safety & Meru-Embu wing will go rogue & honour Ruto 2022 deal?

Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 25, 2018, 01:30:14 AM
You're so wrong, Ruto is charming and adorable, Kenyans are dying to crown him. Ok, just kidding. But please be gentle with poor Ruto, remember he's someone's hero. 

Like I said before, Ruto is nothing without Ouru. The only thing still propping Ruto up is his money but that can only take him so far as new sources of looting are being closed.  Sooner or later he will start being careful with his money.  Ruto without money is a very polarizing figure whose appeal is confined to Kalenjin.  Even some members of the Mt. Kenya tangatanga squad who used to follow him around are now  being seen elsewhere. The Mau forest which he exploited against Raila not too long ago is not working anymore as more folks are now more educated about the science of environmental conservation. Ruto is being deflated like a big fat balloon right before our eyes. He is like a tire with a slow puncture.

We agree on most things except that Ruto is "trustworthy" and "committed to 50-50" without a political necessity. That's really naive. Why didn't Ruto dissolve URP and trust GEMA in 2012? Uhuru should and will retire but continued influence depends on how much Ruto needs him. Containing Ruto by supporting Raila, etc is in GEMA's interest. That is the smart thing to do, not to trust and support Ruto blindly. That's what it's all about with corrupt Chumos and Ndubais as collateral.

Sound complicated. Go slow on Uhuru. He is no musk. I think at end of the day the best deal for Uhuru is to remain Jubilee party leader than trying make Jubilee gema or kikuyu only party by splintering it. It would make sense to allow Ruto to bring on board even more tribes to Jubilee and be the supreme leader. At this point - Uhuru has done it all - he just need something to keep him busy and occuppied - something like "Obama foundation". I believe Ruto will be committed to 50-50 deal. Ruto is very reasonable and knows with GEMA behind him - he'll be able to transform Kenya - rather than fight. And GEMA DPORK will get a thro ball in 2033.
GEMA don't need a candidate in 2022 - that's a tall order after 35 years with present 20. Kalenjin at least have 20 year break since Moi. What they need is to scuttle non-GEMA play by Ruto by supporting Raila, Madvd, Joho, etc. That way Ruto needs them like they needed him in 2012.

2012 Ruto had his own party URP while Uhuru had GEMA. Uhuru should deny Ruto control of Jubilee and non-GEMA dominance. He has a full toolkit to do this with PORK and Raila. That way Ruto will be forced to deal a proper 50-50 likely with a puppet DPORK. Allowing Ruto full power now like you dream - and waiting to be Supreme Leader :) -  is laughable stupidity. To quote you & Fred Douglas, power concedes nothing without a demand...

I think Uhuru is playing his cards well. Once the scramble is over, there'll be hugs & smiles at Jevanjee or KICC as Ruto's new party signs MOU with Jubilee :)... until 2028 when he throw them out in final term.

That can only work if Uhuru is planting to front a gema candidate -in which case the non-gema will easily rally around Ruto given Raila is really past his sell-by-date and has basically like GEMA betrayed everyone. Ruto squaring with Gema candidate would be easy stuff for Ruto.

So the way I see contrary to what you say - GEMA find themselves in unviable position if they are not ready for 2022 - Uhuru has term limit to contend with and there is no GEMA heir apparent who can be sold in 2022 - they were all destroyed in last election.

 Do you get Peter Kenneth from the dustbin and try to make him win PORK against machine like Ruto & Raila? Will a new Kikuyu upstart even manage to unite GEMA - or RV Kikuyu diaspora-for own safety & Meru-Embu wing will go rogue & honour Ruto 2022 deal?

Uhuru and GEMA's play is to ensure a split of power in non-GEMA with no clear supremo. Hence the Handshake and supporting Raila. It's a good calculation than naively supporting Ruto - that would be very foolish.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Ole on July 25, 2018, 08:25:22 AM
I think Ruto is smart and a hardworking politician but the problem is that he has opened too many battle fronts so early and quickly as if the election is being held tomorrow. Now with the current war with the kikuyu and maasai he is losing a lot of ground. Ruto needs to take thr advise that mutahi ngunyi gave him to take an hiatus from the tangatanga activities, lower the temperatures and let uhuru push the big four for a while.  If he continues like this i think fatigue about him will start setting in countrywide. 
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2018, 08:32:09 AM
Maasai (Narok) are just being dishonest. The Mau that kipsigis settled in Narok was sold to them by Maasais. Moi never allocated any Kipsigis Maasai Mau. Only Moi Kiptangich sit on Narok but rest of Mau that gov excissed was in Nakuru district.  Now Maasai's Narok county decided one day to kill their forest and share it amongst the group ranches & individual. Those individuals have over 30 yrs proceeded to sell it to Kipsigis....

Maasai have destroyed their forest. Bomet part of Mau is intact - I live 200 meters from Mau and ours remain virgin - with people jealously protecting it. Kericho part of Mau is intact. Nandi, Baringo and name them part of Mau is intact. Nakuru part of Mau was last excised 30yrs ago to settle mainly ogiek.And while destroying Mau Maasai forest (trustland), Maasai have also destroyed their political future. Maasai can hoot and puff but at end of the day - they'll need kipsigis votes to win in Narok and therefore any anti-kipsigisi politician in Narok cannot go far.

The remaining part of Maasai Mau only exist because Maasai who have already been allocated those forest I have yet to decide to sell to Kipsigis. That forest need to be reverted to national gov like the rest of Mau - otherwise Mau Narok forest will be completely destroyed by Maasais...all the way from sogoo to olmekenyu to siera leone to deep in Narok North...Narok county have excised it and shared it amongst themselves.

After the kipsigis move in to those private land that appear as forest, proceed to cut trees, and settle down - Maasai who sold the forest start crying crocodile tears - and want people evicted without compensation.

I think Ruto is smart and a hardworking politician but the problem is that he has opened too many battle fronts so early and quickly as if the election is being held tomorrow. Now with the current war with the kikuyu and maasai he is losing a lot of ground. Ruto needs to take thr advise that mutahi ngunyi gave him to take an hiatus from the tangatanga activities, lower the temperatures and let uhuru push the big four for a while.  If he continues like this i think fatigue about him will start setting in countrywide. 
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 25, 2018, 09:35:11 AM
How's Ruto's record of honesty on Mau?

Maasai (Narok) are just being dishonest. The Mau that kipsigis settled in Narok was sold to them by Maasais. Moi never allocated any Kipsigis Maasai Mau. Only Moi Kiptangich sit on Narok but rest of Mau that gov excissed was in Nakuru district.  Now Maasai's Narok county decided one day to kill their forest and share it amongst the group ranches & individual. Those individuals have over 30 yrs proceeded to sell it to Kipsigis....

Maasai have destroyed their forest. Bomet part of Mau is intact - I live 200 meters from Mau and ours remain virgin - with people jealously protecting it. Kericho part of Mau is intact. Nandi, Baringo and name them part of Mau is intact. Nakuru part of Mau was last excised 30yrs ago to settle mainly ogiek.And while destroying Mau Maasai forest (trustland), Maasai have also destroyed their political future. Maasai can hoot and puff but at end of the day - they'll need kipsigis votes to win in Narok and therefore any anti-kipsigisi politician in Narok cannot go far.

The remaining part of Maasai Mau only exist because Maasai who have already been allocated those forest I have yet to decide to sell to Kipsigis. That forest need to be reverted to national gov like the rest of Mau - otherwise Mau Narok forest will be completely destroyed by Maasais...all the way from sogoo to olmekenyu to siera leone to deep in Narok North...Narok county have excised it and shared it amongst themselves.

After the kipsigis move in to those private land that appear as forest, proceed to cut trees, and settle down - Maasai who sold the forest start crying crocodile tears - and want people evicted without compensation.

I think Ruto is smart and a hardworking politician but the problem is that he has opened too many battle fronts so early and quickly as if the election is being held tomorrow. Now with the current war with the kikuyu and maasai he is losing a lot of ground. Ruto needs to take thr advise that mutahi ngunyi gave him to take an hiatus from the tangatanga activities, lower the temperatures and let uhuru push the big four for a while.  If he continues like this i think fatigue about him will start setting in countrywide. 
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2018, 11:50:18 AM
Ruto was on course to solving this mau issue before the current mess. You see what Jubilee did btw 2013-2017 and then we can discuss. First Jubilee did away with all MAU IDPS in record time. We just created new ones. Ruto did this by giving each of them 400K - there was a camp near our home - and it disappeared. Then Ruto embarked on establishing a cut line and planting tea. One of my neighbour is manager of that project..and it was going well....that tea zone would finally end the debate of where the forest is and where it isn't. The current problem is on Maasai Mau forest - which is trustland under Narok County. They've made a mess out of this.
How's Ruto's record of honesty on Mau?
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 25, 2018, 12:48:47 PM
Those are lovely details. But he used lies bout Mau to malign Raila pre-2012. He's getting a test of his own medicine. With Mau he can forget Maa vote.

Ruto was on course to solving this mau issue before the current mess. You see what Jubilee did btw 2013-2017 and then we can discuss. First Jubilee did away with all MAU IDPS in record time. We just created new ones. Ruto did this by giving each of them 400K - there was a camp near our home - and it disappeared. Then Ruto embarked on establishing a cut line and planting tea. One of my neighbour is manager of that project..and it was going well....that tea zone would finally end the debate of where the forest is and where it isn't. The current problem is on Maasai Mau forest - which is trustland under Narok County. They've made a mess out of this.
How's Ruto's record of honesty on Mau?
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2018, 01:39:21 PM
There was no lies used against Raila. Raila made a huge mess out of MAU and created so many IDPs that Jubilee had to deal with. Ruto I think has chosen to remain silent because of maa vote - I don't see any big threat there - it just two lonely ODM Kenta & Ole Kina trying to milk this.

The current issues
(https://scontent.fnbo7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37823591_409253999564732_8201063193548685312_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=82b7a463cc23567ceda76c1eedf7d24f&oe=5BE215DE)

The current issues was created by Maasai. Maasai allocated themselves Maasai Mau -and over the years have sold those forest to Kipsigis - who proceeded to cut trees. The people are being evicted from land they bought from Maasai Ranches.

Those are lovely details. But he used lies bout Mau to malign Raila pre-2012. He's getting a test of his own medicine. With Mau he can forget Maa vote.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: hk on July 25, 2018, 04:03:51 PM
Sammy mwaita former Mp of baringo isn't one of the people who allocated themselves forest land  then sold it after ole ntutu commission established the forest line? Just asking don't know the  mau history.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2018, 04:35:58 PM
There are two Mau. There is Mau that is under national gov (KFS). And there is Mau that has always been under Narok County Council & now Narok County Gov

KFS MAU - was excised severally and the likes of Mwaita got land there. My land in Mau was part of this Mau. To exercise National Forest there are procedures that includes gazetting it. The last excision was 2001 under Mwaita. It never happen again because of hue & cry.

Now Narok's Mau otherwise called Maasai Mau is like Maasai Mara a trustland that was managed by Narok County. To exercise a trustland forest under country gov you just require councillors to sit down and pass a resolution. Here is where Mau is getting finished without any noise. Maasai councilors sit and dice the forest. They then wait for sometime & flip it to kipsigis - group ranches of many acres - are sold for a few millions - and when Kipsigis descent on the forest and clear the land - then it hit them what disaster they've unleashed.

Narok councillors have been dishing out Mau forest since 1970s. Ntimama (long serving Narok Council Chairman) gave Moi 5,000 hectares in 1974 when Moi was mere VP. They gave PC Cheluget a whopping 13,000 hectares. Moi cleared the trees and planted tea. Cheluget was too lazy and nearly lost his land to squattors - I have heard he got it back recently and sold it to William Ruto - who has acquired many lands in Narok including Transmara with help of Tunai.

Of course the Maasai councillors and big men sliced and diced the forest amongst themselves. Ntutus, name them, either own it or had group ranches owning the forest. These excissed land complete with brand new titles were then sold to Kipsigis cheaply - anything from 10K an acre to now around 70k an acre. I have bought my Mau(Nakuru) land from anything 30k to 50k an acre - this is by basically tracing Moi era civil servants who got land but have no idea where the land is :).

Unless Maasai Mau is reverted is audited and reverted back to KFS - there is nothing to save there. It very likely Maasais have sold everything. The owners are just waiting for opportune time to clear the forest.

Gov Chepkwony has gone to court to try and save poor Kipsigis who bought maasai group ranches - the people who were kicked out yesterday have title-deed - given from them in Narok.
He claimed that the government is illegally evicting private owners of individual property comprising Reiyo, Enakishomi, Sisiyan, Enoosokon and Nkaroni group ranches.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Mau-evictions--Governor-goes-to-court/1056-4680746-af2fi9z/index.html

After Maasai are done selling mau forest - and kipsigis move en-masse - they start panicking and start trying to claim the remaining uncleared forest is forest :). It not a forest. It private land just waiting to be cleared. Classic maasai dishonesty where they lease your land and come around to graze their cattle on them.

Sammy mwaita former Mp of baringo isn't one of the people who allocated themselves forest land  then sold it after ole ntutu commission established the forest line? Just asking don't know the  mau history.
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 25, 2018, 08:18:33 PM
Is it true smart alec Ruto has kunjad mkia over Mau... and sent Murkomen to surrender his poorly thought out tantrums and ultimata. Classic egg in the face :) UhuRao should not be fooled by the tactical retreat and should finish him off.

Meantime

Court declines to stop evictions in Maasai Mau forest
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Maasai-Mau-evictions-to-go-on---court-rules/1950946-4680856-i9m4uh/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Maasai-Mau-evictions-to-go-on---court-rules/1950946-4680856-i9m4uh/index.html)

Building Bridges team starts work on forming 'new Kenya'
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Building-Bridges-team-starts-work-on-forming--new-Kenya-/1950946-4681024-15cj8g5z/index.html (https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Building-Bridges-team-starts-work-on-forming--new-Kenya-/1950946-4681024-15cj8g5z/index.html)
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 29, 2018, 11:27:02 AM
Desperate Ruto now claims there's a 'secretariat' well equipped to clip his wings. I think he's right  :) kijana amechorewa. This as Uhuru met the Mois for a catch-up on finishing Ruto... rubbing it in after the Ruto visit embarrassment. Uhuru obviously cares only about Moi's not Ruto's debt. He owes Ruto nothing after paying him in cash and nusu PORK.

Talk of State House team to fight William Ruto could be last straw for Jubilee
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/State-House-team-fight-William-Ruto-last-straw-for-Jubilee/3126390-4686382-7c358xz/index.html
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 29, 2018, 11:31:06 AM
Meantime Kalonzo still hoping to pita katikati... back to Uhuru just days after warming up to Ruto.

Wiper commits to work with Jubilee in spirit of handshake
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Wiper-commits-to-work-with-Jubilee-in-spirit-of-handshake/1064-4686614-6pg1g9/index.html
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 29, 2018, 05:47:06 PM
Desperate Ruto now claims there's a 'secretariat' well equipped to clip his wings. I think he's right  :) kijana amechorewa. This as Uhuru met the Mois for a catch-up on finishing Ruto... rubbing it in after the Ruto visit embarrassment. Uhuru obviously cares only about Moi's not Ruto's debt. He owes Ruto nothing after paying him in cash and nusu PORK.

Talk of State House team to fight William Ruto could be last straw for Jubilee
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/State-House-team-fight-William-Ruto-last-straw-for-Jubilee/3126390-4686382-7c358xz/index.html

But Giddy has no tegree.  Does he get one from Kabarak Uni for purposes of running?  Or is that going to be one of the fixes(overdue IMO) to the constitution?
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: audacityofhope on July 29, 2018, 06:52:30 PM
Robina, on the clip on prime news, there was some audio when Uhuru was greeting Moi at his home.... that is before I guess the media was told to go away. It seemed like a surprise visit but also Uhuru looked like he had no agenda that took him there. I have to agree with you that the timing can only mean one thing - to inflict embarrassment and remind Ruto of his ONE big failure - his inability to access Mr. Moi's home  :)

You post has another good point. Ruto was already paid his dues. Ouru owes him nothing. He only owes Nyayo. Ni hayo tu
Desperate Ruto now claims there's a 'secretariat' well equipped to clip his wings. I think he's right  :) kijana amechorewa. This as Uhuru met the Mois for a catch-up on finishing Ruto... rubbing it in after the Ruto visit embarrassment. Uhuru obviously cares only about Moi's not Ruto's debt. He owes Ruto nothing after paying him in cash and nusu PORK.

Talk of State House team to fight William Ruto could be last straw for Jubilee
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/State-House-team-fight-William-Ruto-last-straw-for-Jubilee/3126390-4686382-7c358xz/index.html
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Nefertiti on July 30, 2018, 01:52:49 PM
audacity, Ruto's big weakness is hubris,  thinking everyone is stupid while he's so clever. So he would run around looting, sabotaging Gema politicians, etc while praising Uhuru. The court jester fits him very poorly and the flatterer tactic was glass transparent. The man had his party, reimbursed for campaign spend, half everything, looted gluttonously - but is still owed PORK :o :o

Smart alecs rarely win. The job now is to uproot his looting network... while letting his cronies hold glorified but toothless posts. Treasury, IG,  Majority Leader. DPORK... basically deny him ability to play underdog or outsider. It's no coincidence Mau,  anti-corruption, land, etc are being led by Somali, Maa and Gusii.

Once he's denied Non-GEMA dominance, he'll come back to earth and shed the entitled arrogance. With his dismal Kalenjin he's back to 2012 14% - just above Kalonzo. Raila and Uhuru's interests are aligned presently.

Robina, on the clip on prime news, there was some audio when Uhuru was greeting Moi at his home.... that is before I guess the media was told to go away. It seemed like a surprise visit but also Uhuru looked like he had no agenda that took him there. I have to agree with you that the timing can only mean one thing - to inflict embarrassment and remind Ruto of his ONE big failure - his inability to access Mr. Moi's home  :)

You post has another good point. Ruto was already paid his dues. Ouru owes him nothing. He only owes Nyayo. Ni hayo tu
Desperate Ruto now claims there's a 'secretariat' well equipped to clip his wings. I think he's right  :) kijana amechorewa. This as Uhuru met the Mois for a catch-up on finishing Ruto... rubbing it in after the Ruto visit embarrassment. Uhuru obviously cares only about Moi's not Ruto's debt. He owes Ruto nothing after paying him in cash and nusu PORK.

Talk of State House team to fight William Ruto could be last straw for Jubilee
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/State-House-team-fight-William-Ruto-last-straw-for-Jubilee/3126390-4686382-7c358xz/index.html
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: Higgins the genius on September 01, 2019, 05:31:21 PM
Pundit, what should be done to MAU settlement once and for all?
Title: Re: uhuru has reactivated mau evictions
Post by: RV Pundit on September 01, 2019, 07:55:56 PM
Fence the forest like has been done in Mt Kenya and aberdare.The boundary keep shifting but tea zone was a brilliant idea by Moi and helped stop encroachment