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Title: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: RVtitem on November 09, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
Trump has promised to bring industry to USA and rejuvenate existing industries.

He will also likely to reintroduce trade protectionism.

Africa and most developing world is also theoretically on a similar quest.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on November 09, 2016, 01:18:22 PM
Those are economic impossibilities. What he needs to do is create better training programs for the displaced workers.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kadudu on November 09, 2016, 04:55:46 PM
Who believed him in the first place? Ati bring back steel industry to the Rust Belt :) That he can tell it to the birds.

Those are economic impossibilities. What he needs to do is create better training programs for the displaced workers.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Georgesoros on November 09, 2016, 05:03:00 PM
Soon his voters will realize it was just talk. There is no industry coming back, ever...
Protectionism will only make things worse.
He plans to give Europe preference than Asia. But Asia is the next super region!!

Trump has promised to bring industry to USA and rejuvenate existing industries.

He will also likely to reintroduce trade protectionism.

Africa and most developing world is also theoretically on a similar quest.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 09, 2016, 05:04:34 PM
Trump has promised to bring industry to USA and rejuvenate existing industries.

He will also likely to reintroduce trade protectionism.

Africa and most developing world is also theoretically on a similar quest.

Those jobs are not coming back.  The guys who voted for him in the hope that they will be manufacturing plastic cups and living a middle class life are in for a shock.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 09, 2016, 05:06:34 PM
Soon his voters will realize it was just talk. There is no industry coming back, ever...
Protectionism will only make things worse.
He plans to give Europe preference than Asia. But Asia is the next super region!!

Trump has promised to bring industry to USA and rejuvenate existing industries.

He will also likely to reintroduce trade protectionism.

Africa and most developing world is also theoretically on a similar quest.

Obama had it right with his pivot to Asia.  The economy is just starting to buy into that and voila, a pampered red neck is given the reins.  George W redux but ten times more unpredictable.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kichwa on November 09, 2016, 05:21:48 PM
His supporters knows the jobs are not coming back.  All he has to do is repeal Obamacare, cut taxes for the rich, appoint conservatives to the supreme court and restrict immigration as much as he can, then they will be happy.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: RVtitem on November 09, 2016, 05:23:38 PM
I think its worth a try. Americans clearly have realized that low wage restaurant jobs created by obama is no solution while wallstreet gambling is not good.

How has germany managed to progress without losing industry to china?
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kichwa on November 09, 2016, 05:31:50 PM
He definitely has the mandate to give it a shot but I do not think they will blame him if he does not succeed.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Georgesoros on November 09, 2016, 06:04:31 PM
His supporters knows the jobs are not coming back.  All he has to do is repeal Obamacare, cut taxes for the rich, appoint conservatives to the supreme court and restrict immigration as much as he can, then they will be happy.

If they try to repeal ACA they'll be in shock. They will fix it so that one is able to buy insurance anywhere in USA.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kadudu on November 09, 2016, 06:18:51 PM
Whom will they blame since he will not suceed, the Muslims or the Chinese?

He definitely has the mandate to give it a shot but I do not think they will blame him if he does not succeed.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on November 09, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
His supporters knows the jobs are not coming back.  All he has to do is repeal Obamacare, cut taxes for the rich, appoint conservatives to the supreme court and restrict immigration as much as he can, then they will be happy.

If they try to repeal ACA they'll be in shock. They will fix it so that one is able to buy insurance anywhere in USA.

Insurance companies wont allow it. I have heard about allowing this for eons
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Empedocles on November 09, 2016, 09:06:54 PM
Trump is the quintessential vacuum cleaner salesman.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Georgesoros on November 10, 2016, 03:31:28 PM
But never say it can't be done. We said he will never win but look what happened. Obamacare will be tweaked and left alone.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on November 10, 2016, 08:02:06 PM
How will he convince states like Kentucky and West Virginia to abandon Obama care talk is cheap I won't this rednecks to be bold enough to return their welfare benefits
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: RVtitem on November 10, 2016, 10:54:13 PM
This article tells it
http://qz.com/832721/election-2016-trumps-commitment-to-reverse-the-transpacific-partnership-tpp-could-also-be-a-silver-lining-for-african-trade/
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 10, 2016, 11:36:52 PM
How will he convince states like Kentucky and West Virginia to abandon Obama care talk is cheap I won't this rednecks to be bold enough to return their welfare benefits

Red necks have historically voted against their interests and this election is no exception.  They are happy to settle for what they perceive as cultural victories over the other, even those of a Pyrrhic nature.

My real worry with Trump are the usual Republican agendas.  Especially denial of science and climate change, over the top military spending and of course a bellicose foreign policy.

Healthcare costs seem doomed to continue skyrocketing until America wakes up from its obsession with market solutions for everything.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Georgesoros on November 11, 2016, 04:04:59 PM
If you think America will get steel manufacturing jobs etc on a scale of 1900s, you are still on coolaide. You will never see them in Japan,  Europe either. Those will shift to Africa in the next 20.

I think its worth a try. Americans clearly have realized that low wage restaurant jobs created by obama is no solution while wallstreet gambling is not good.

How has germany managed to progress without losing industry to china?
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 11, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
I'm very skeptical. However, he's a billionaire. He isn't like any of the other spoilt entitled Republicans. Maybe he can turn infrastructure/ industries around in America. I can only think of one way he could and that's science and advanced tech AI industries.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Georgesoros on November 11, 2016, 06:31:01 PM
I'm very skeptical. However, he's a billionaire. He isn't like any of the other spoilt entitled Republicans. Maybe he can turn infrastructure/ industries around in America. I can only think of one way he could and that's science and advanced tech AI industries.

Agreed. High tech jobs will be the answer, but the people who voted for him are high school dropouts!! Truck drivers - I saw Google came up with a truck that can do self delivery :(. Plumbers - With the invention of recent tech who needs a plumber :(.
These people have No high tech skills.
Republicans and science down match.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 12, 2016, 07:37:37 AM
They don't need high tech skills. High tech skills are needed in customer service, software development, office environments.

AI factories would still be factories. So mass producing intelligent cars like modern car factory. IoT factory- those things are starting to emerge & they need factory workers.

Beauty about it is, you see this in mobile phone factories. One side of factory check assemblage (older workers), other side of factory casual teens installing software. Every phone had some teen somewhere in the work install that phone software by hand.

Makes sense to have more of these factory types in the future.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Empedocles on November 12, 2016, 10:30:18 AM
They don't need high tech skills. High tech skills are needed in customer service, software development, office environments.

AI factories would still be factories. So mass producing intelligent cars like modern car factory. IoT factory- those things are starting to emerge & they need factory workers.

Beauty about it is, you see this in mobile phone factories. One side of factory check assemblage (older workers), other side of factory casual teens installing software. Every phone had some teen somewhere in the work install that phone software by hand.

Makes sense to have more of these factory types in the future.

But not in the US.

These are, from the US point of view, very low paying jobs, not what Trump supporters are expecting / hoping for. We don't hear of Chinese / Taiwanese factory workers enjoying the perks of middle income Americans, like a house in the suburbs with a nice white picket fence, two cars, etc.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 12, 2016, 03:03:46 PM
I agree for plastic goods. Mobile phone factories I speak of are next to my house. I've worked there. Installed mobile phone software. The place is still there and still hire teens on a casual basis. Better pay than McDonalds. Was paid $19 an hour back then.

Having interacted with Trump supporters on social media- a lot of them seem to be uneducated folks frustrated they're left out in favor of techy/smart types. Ok they're racist/crass shitholes it seems to mask the fact they're uneducated so they bark & heckle but when we got beyond that, beyond the racism/sexism they expressed their desperations- they want to be part of the future too. It hurt me to hear how left out they felt. I cried about it. I understood why Trump was elected.

I think setting up new industries that includes uneducated/older folks is perhaps something that can happen under Trump's presidency. Trump can also be more antagonistic in foreign policy/terrorism like be the bad guy Hillary/Obama couldn't do because they want to be friends with all nations.

Rumor has it Trump plans to unite Korea.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Empedocles on November 12, 2016, 04:45:47 PM
I agree for plastic goods. Mobile phone factories I speak of are next to my house. I've worked there. Installed mobile phone software. The place is still there and still hire teens on a casual basis. Better pay than McDonalds. Was paid $19 an hour back then.

Having interacted with Trump supporters on social media- a lot of them seem to be uneducated folks frustrated they're left out in favor of techy/smart types. Ok they're racist/crass shitholes it seems to mask the fact they're uneducated so they bark & heckle but when we got beyond that, beyond the racism/sexism they expressed their desperations- they want to be part of the future too. It hurt me to hear how left out they felt. I cried about it. I understood why Trump was elected.

I think setting up new industries that includes uneducated/older folks is perhaps something that can happen under Trump's presidency. Trump can also be more antagonistic in foreign policy/terrorism like be the bad guy Hillary/Obama couldn't do because they want to be friends with all nations.

Rumor has it Trump plans to unite Korea.

If he really has a clue where and what Korea is.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/liberalamerica/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/map.jpeg)

On a more serious note, Trump's supporters are just modern day Luddites. The world is rapidly changing and they're harping for long gone era, which isn't coming back. Trump, of course, cleverly tapped into that hope to win the presidency but deliver his promises?

He can't and he knew it, being a businessman who has most of his junk produced in China and Mexico specifically because the US was just too darn expensive when it came to labor. Even his daughter Ivanka's shoes are made in China (and soon, Ethiopia (http://qz.com/803626/ivanka-trumps-shoe-collection-may-be-moving-from-made-in-china-to-made-in-ethiopia/)) Heck, he couldn't even use the US middle class to build his hotels, settling instead for undocumented Hispanic workers. Watch as he'll soon bail on the massive deportation drive he promised.

Trump has spent decades shafting the middle class (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/).

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At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

Trump’s companies have also been cited for 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act since 2005 for failing to pay overtime or minimum wage, according to U.S. Department of Labor data. That includes 21 citations against the defunct Trump Plaza in Atlantic City and three against the also out-of-business Trump Mortgage LLC in New York. Both cases were resolved by the companies agreeing to pay back wages.

In addition to the lawsuits, the review found more than 200 mechanic’s liens — filed by contractors and employees against Trump, his companies or his properties claiming they were owed money for their work — since the 1980s. The liens range from a $75,000 claim by a Plainview, N.Y., air conditioning and heating company to a $1 million claim from the president of a New York City real estate banking firm. On just one project, Trump’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, records released by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1990 show that at least 253 subcontractors weren’t paid in full or on time, including workers who installed walls, chandeliers and plumbing.

“Let’s say that they do a job that’s not good, or a job that they didn’t finish, or a job that was way late. I’ll deduct from their contract, absolutely. That’s what the country should be doing.”
Donald Trump

The actions in total paint a portrait of Trump’s sprawling organization frequently failing to pay small businesses and individuals, then sometimes tying them up in court and other negotiations for years. In some cases, the Trump teams financially overpower and outlast much smaller opponents, draining their resources. Some just give up the fight, or settle for less; some have ended up in bankruptcy or out of business altogether.

Trump and his daughter Ivanka, in an interview with USA TODAY, shrugged off the lawsuits and other claims of non-payment. If a company or worker he hires isn’t paid fully, the Trumps said, it’s because The Trump Organization was unhappy with the work.

“Let’s say that they do a job that’s not good, or a job that they didn’t finish, or a job that was way late. I’ll deduct from their contract, absolutely,” Trump said. “That’s what the country should be doing.”

He got rich by shafting and then lying about it. He ain't gonna stop now.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: RVtitem on November 12, 2016, 06:27:05 PM
Trump is a nice guy. People need to give him a chance.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 12, 2016, 06:42:37 PM
South Korea was the first nation Trump called when he won that night. See the protests right now in Korea? It's related to what's happening in America now. If South Korea falls, the world goes to nuclear war. Nuclear gridlock places South & North Korea THE barrier. If that barrier falls it's an all out nuclear war- a nuclear domino across the globe.

I'm keeping an open mind about Trump.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 12, 2016, 06:46:04 PM
Things are really precarious right now. Cusp of anarchy. Brink of a nuclear war if things don't ease in Korea or America.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 12, 2016, 06:49:54 PM
So bad my mother has spoken of taking us all to a "special island" in South Korea for a "relaxing holiday" she just came back from a 6 month holiday. What I thought was even more odd is when she added: grab any man.. just grab any man damn it ... not a criminal of course.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Empedocles on November 12, 2016, 07:04:57 PM
Trump is a nice guy. People need to give him a chance.

When, not if, Trump backs from most if not all his campaign promises, that's when his supporters will realize that they got scammed by a smart conman but Breitbart.com will try keeping most of them dreaming.

P.S. I wasn't for Hillary; I was and still am 100% against Trump.

South Korea was the first nation Trump called when he won that night. See the protests right now in Korea? It's related to what's happening in America now. If South Korea falls, the world goes to nuclear war. Nuclear gridlock places South & North Korea THE barrier. If that barrier falls it's an all out nuclear war- a nuclear domino across the globe.

I'm keeping an open mind about Trump.

Of course, it's your right and I respect it.

But so far the names leaking of his cabinet picks aren't very encouraging to me. War is big business and he's very comfortable with warmongers.

The map was in jest.  :D
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 12, 2016, 07:25:12 PM
There's no war. It's an annihilation of the human race. America has about a thousand and something nukes ready for deployment.

I dunno, he's not really Republican. Can't imagine him supporting wars like the Bushes.

My mother's convinced he's a Democrat, all in fear of a shadow global force stronger than America, Russia, Republican or Democrat hellbent on anarchy.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Empedocles on November 13, 2016, 09:50:57 AM
There's no war. It's an annihilation of the human race. America has about a thousand and something nukes ready for deployment.

I dunno, he's not really Republican. Can't imagine him supporting wars like the Bushes.

My mother's convinced he's a Democrat, all in fear of a shadow global force stronger than America, Russia, Republican or Democrat hellbent on anarchy.

That's the trump card ( :)).

Trump is always morphing to be what he thinks his audience wants him to be.

Back the the subject of this thread, Trump BS'ed his way to the presidency by falsely promising to re-industrialize, MAGA, etc. even though he can't do it and, even if he wanted to try, has no idea where to even begin. He just knew he wanted to win and the only way was to say what the voters wanted to hear. And like a gigolo paid in votes, he delivered.

Trump constantly wants to win (dopamine addict). He never thought of what comes after and frankly I think he's scared of what his big mouth got him into.

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/161110_abc_special_report_trump_white_house_16x9_992.jpg)

Watch the backpedaling start to accelerate:

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Here are all the positions president-elect Trump has qualified (so far).

1. Repeal and replace Obamacare.

“On day one of the Trump administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare,” Trump’s website currently reads. And while the president-elect insisted during the CNN-Telemundo Republican debate that he wants to “keep preexisting conditions,” he nonetheless led calls to “repeal and replace Obamacare” throughout the remainder of the campaign.

But after his meeting with President Obama Thursday, Trump said he would consider alternatives to an all-out repeal. “I told him I will look at his suggestions, and out of respect, I will do that,” Trump told the Wall St. Journal.

“Either Obamacare will be amended, or repealed and replaced,” he added.

2. Build a big, beautiful wall—and make Mexico pay.

Trump’s core promise, and a familiar refrain by the president-elect. “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall,” Trump said repeatedly. “Mark my words.”

Thursday, Newt Gingrich—who’s reportedly being considered for Trump’s Secretary of State—admitted the president-elect’s promise to get Mexico to pay for it may have been a “campaign device.”

“He may not spend much time trying to get Mexico to pay for it,” Gingrich said. “But it was a great campaign device.”

3. End the 'war on coal.'

One of the major Trump pledges through the Rust Belt during the campaign was to “end the war on coal.” And likewise, in its 2016 GOP platform, the Republican party vowed to restore coal jobs, dismissing clean energy as part of President Obama’s “war on coal”:

“The Democratic Party does not understand that coal is an abundant, clean, affordable, reliable domestic energy resource. Those who mine it and their families should be protected from the Democratic Party’s radical anti-coal agenda.”

But now it looks like Republican Party leaders recognize that bringing coal jobs back is not so simple. Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told the Lexington Herald-Leader on Friday that it’s “hard to tell” if the government will be able to expand the coal industry in a meaningful way.

“We are going to be presenting to the new president a variety of options that could end this assault,” McConnell said. “Whether that immediately brings business back is hard to tell because it’s a private sector activity.”

“A government spending program is not likely to solve the fundamental problem of growth,” McConnell added. “I support the effort to help these coal counties wherever we can, but that isn’t going to replace whatever was there when we had a vibrant coal industry.”

4. Deport illegal immigrants through mass deportations.

Illegal immigration was another cornerstone of Trump’s campaign. In an interview with CBS’s Scott Pelley last year, Trump talked mass deportation:

Trump: If they’ve done well, they’re going out and they’re coming back in legally. Because you said it....

Pelley: You’re rounding them all up?

Trump: We’re rounding ’em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they’re going to be happy because they want to be legalized. And, by the way, I know it doesn’t sound nice. But not everything is nice.

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus Wednesday said Trump is no longer calling for “mass deportation,” and is instead calling for the deportation of criminals.

“He’s not calling for mass deportation,” Priebus said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “He said, ‘No, only people who have committed crimes.’ And then only until all of that is taken care of will we look at what we are going to do next.”
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 14, 2016, 04:34:02 PM
Seems he's basically not going to do anything eg Bush's presidency like a lame duck presidency & shebam launch a nuclear war.

I can only think of one reason why someone of his age would want to be president and that's to set off a nuke and usher in a new world devoted to sending off survivors to Mars. I imagine a future under his presidency with more biowarfare tests, science experiments so to prolong life. That's why he keeps emphasizing his priority is healthcare without specifying exactly what he means by that.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-is-out-for-young-peoples-blood/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on November 14, 2016, 05:07:14 PM
Seems he's basically not going to do anything eg Bush's presidency like a lame duck presidency & shebam launch a nuclear war.

I can only think of one reason why someone of his age would want to be president and that's to set off a nuke and usher in a new world devoted to sending off survivors to Mars. I imagine a future under his presidency with more biowarfare tests, science experiments so to prolong life. That's why he keeps emphasizing his priority is healthcare without specifying exactly what he means by that.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-is-out-for-young-peoples-blood/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/ (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-is-out-for-young-peoples-blood/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/)

Trump is scary but not necessarily in the way he has been portrayed.  In terms of security, he brings to the White House a level of hubris and incompetence that will leave America exposed.  He  literally does not listen to the intelligence agencies.

And yes, as a sociopath, he poses a latent danger to all humanity.  While he may not be able to launch nukes on a whim, he certainly will be able to order conventional military strikes on a whim.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Empedocles on November 14, 2016, 05:42:55 PM
Seems he's basically not going to do anything eg Bush's presidency like a lame duck presidency & shebam launch a nuclear war.

I can only think of one reason why someone of his age would want to be president and that's to set off a nuke and usher in a new world devoted to sending off survivors to Mars. I imagine a future under his presidency with more biowarfare tests, science experiments so to prolong life. That's why he keeps emphasizing his priority is healthcare without specifying exactly what he means by that.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-is-out-for-young-peoples-blood/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/ (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-is-out-for-young-peoples-blood/&refURL=https://www.google.com.au/&referrer=https://www.google.com.au/)

Trump is scary but not necessarily in the way he has been portrayed.  In terms of security, he brings to the White House a level of hubris and incompetence that will leave America exposed.  He  literally does not listen to the intelligence agencies.

And yes, as a sociopath, he poses a latent danger to all humanity.  While he may not be able to launch nukes on a whim, he certainly will be able to order conventional military strikes on a whim.

Err, the nuclear launch system is purposely designed to be able to launch ICBM's as fast as possible.

Given it takes a Russian (USSR during the cold war) ICBM around 30 minutes from launch to game-over, dilly-dallying would mean the first to launch would win. It's a two man system with Trump being the first and his personally selected Secretary of Defense being the second.

Remember, the system was setup during the cold war.

Here's an interesting story about on US officer who asked a very VERY important question which cost him his job:

How can any missile crewman know that an order to twist his launch key in its slot and send a thermonuclear missile rocketing out of its silo—a nuke capable of killing millions of civilians—is lawful, legitimate, and comes from a sane president? (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_spectator/2011/02/an_unsung_hero_of_the_nuclear_age.html)

A couple of extracts:

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But you've probably read about Richard Nixon acting erratically, drinking heavily as Watergate closed in on him. You may not have read about the time he told a dinner party at the White House, "I could leave this room, and in 25 minutes, 70 million people would be dead." (Try that line out at one of your dinner parties. I've always found it a good conversation starter.)

Anyway, back down there in your launch capsule you might allow yourself to wonder: "This launch order, is this for real or for Nixon's indigestion?"

If you were asking yourself that question, you wouldn't be the only one. James Schlesinger, secretary of defense at that time, No. 2 in the nuclear chain of command, was reported to be so concerned about Nixon's behavior that he sent word down the chain of command that if anyone received any "unusual orders" from the president they should double-check with him before carrying them out.

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Here's what Cheney told Fox News: "The president of the United State is now, for 50 years, is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a 'football' that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch a kind of devastating attack the world's never seen. He doesn't have to check with anybody. He doesn't have to call the Congress. He doesn't have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in."

There was a fascinating debate among constitutional law specialists on the Volokh Conspiracy blog following the Cheney statement, and, alas, from my reading of the cases cited, there was no definitive judicial limit to his power as commander in chief to avow he had no time to consult Congress for a declaration of war. No one could come up with a definitive constitutional refutation of this. If a president said he had intelligence of an imminent nuclear attack there was no provision requiring him to prove it to anyone else. Congress couldn't defund a missile once in flight. (Well, it could, but lawmakers would have better things to do at that point—i.e., run for the hills.)

Maybe the world better be careful on what we tweet to Trump, to avoid pissing him off.  :D


Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 14, 2016, 05:55:44 PM
He'll launch some nukes, I'm sure of that. Something perhaps that needs to be done given the failures in the Middle-East to reassert USA sphere of influence. It's not something the Democrats could do but Trump can do.

Like Empy says the guy is dopamine ego maniac. He needs to prove to the world he's got the guts to do something the likes of other presidents can't. The question is when & where.

I suspect he's going to nuke North Korea. It's far enough away from American soil & the gateway to demolishing NATO, NPT. North Korea won't be missed anyway & they were testing nukes anyway and someone had to put an end to it- that being Trump. It's the kind of rhetoric he could get away with jeered by his racist supporters.

Likely Russia will retaliate by nuking the UK.

In the latest interview he said he knew better than the wisdom of military advisors who undoubtedly advised him about nuclear matters. Before Hiroshima, military advisors were against setting off a nuke whereas scientists were screaming for more nukes to be set off. So they compromised for one more- Negasaki which scientists argued would hurt the Japanese since it was a historical/cultural center. I suspect that's the kind of advisors Trump is surrounded with right now.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Empedocles on November 14, 2016, 06:11:28 PM
He'll launch some nukes, I'm sure of that. Something perhaps that needs to be done given the failures in the Middle-East to reassert USA sphere of influence. It's not something the Democrats could do but Trump can do.

Like Empy says the guy is dopamine ego maniac. He needs to prove to the world he's got the guts to do something the likes of other presidents can't. The question is when & where.

I suspect he's going to nuke North Korea. It's far enough away from American soil & the gateway to demolishing NATO, NPT. North Korea won't be missed anyway & they were testing nukes anyway and someone had to put an end to it- that being Trump.

Likely Russia will retaliate by nuking the UK.

In the latest interview he said he knew better than military advisors who undoubtedly advised him about nuclear matters.

Ok, even though I did write that Trump's completely unhinged, I seriously don't think he'll be allowed to launch the ICBM's.

The military very clearly see him for what he is and before authorizing the commands received from Trump, they'd double-check to make sure it was a valid order. They understand very well what the consequences of an ICBM launch are.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 14, 2016, 06:14:56 PM
Rumor has it there have been talks of arming the South Korean peninsula with nukes ready for deployment & to defend itself from Russia. Strategically for war, South Korea is more important than the UK. This mass migration of refugees some say is in preparation for a nuclear war.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 14, 2016, 06:22:09 PM
If you look at the pattern of mass migration like the Serengeti like getting refugees out of Syria & into Europe, it's a clear sign the world is preparing for nuclear war. I don't think it'll be a full blown nuclear at once but just one to keep the peace since there's so much terrorism, overpopulation on the rise.

Trump's rhetoric on mass migration, wall  reflect his military strategy. This foreign policy isn't his idea, ongoing foreign policy. It would require a populous US president appealing to fascism which would make such nuclear strikes justified when perpetrated by a country led by a fascist.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 14, 2016, 06:32:54 PM
Hillary didn't want to be president. This isn't something she can do even though America needs to do something to show the world they're not pussies, but an outside like Trump can. It won't even be such a big deal when Trump does it because the North Koreans had it coming. I have no doubt his supporters will back his move in the same way Hitler's followers supported the genocide. At the same time Nazi Germany became the strongest power in the world. Most of my political studies were on Hitler's policies & I see the same happening now.

Trump promised things he can't deliver on because the only reason why he became president was to look fascist enough to the world to launch nuclear strikes. America can always just impeach him at the very worse & reassure the world the guy was just crazy & it wasn't an American thing when it was their plan.

It's gonna happen, I have no doubt about it. At the same time it'll restructure NATO, NPT, drain nuclear ammo across the globe like in Russia & Iran, solve overpopulation, lucrative drug production for survivors, a more health/science based economy with more scientists & doctors in government, funds funnelled towards developing Mars instead of climate change, above all else, reassert US hegemony.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: veritas on November 14, 2016, 07:03:08 PM
I think it'll be a false flag nuclear attack on Japan or South Korea to demonstrate the North struck first. Then a false flag strike back on North Korea in an effort to unite Korea under US influence. I can't imagine real nukes would be used because that would contaminate the soil. Relos have been talking about various nuclear drills & blackouts being conducted in villages close to the border in preparation for a nuclear strike the past year which was unusual. I wrote an essay about this almost a decade ago, to bypass nuclear gridlock could do so on a humanitarian angle.. when I think about it, the US could get away with it with false flags as humanitarian angle. I think Obama has been  testing this on US soil. Not sure if the rest of the world will fall for a false flag nuclear launch but if it can be pulled off it solves a lot of global problems. Including those corrupt shadow British puppetmasters.

I don't think however the Russians will false flag in retaliation. EU is too close to home but these Bexit fellows won't be as missed. Would explain why Obama spoke of Ireland being of strategic importance  & the US was cozing up to Ireland not too long ago.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: hk on November 15, 2016, 07:32:32 PM
So Germany can have a strong industrial base but America cant come up with one? 10yrs ago who would have thought fracking would create all those jobs and actually make america almost energy independent.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: RV Pundit on November 17, 2016, 09:37:22 AM
As they worry about bringing back industrial jobs from China; service jobs are going to move overseas to India and other English speaking countries thanks to tech revolution going on. What Trump can do is to rebuild US infrastructure and employ many people there - building walls, roads, bridges, rails and that kind of work.This is what Trump is actually good in..building real stuff.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on December 01, 2016, 09:47:32 PM
Trump has called his bring job back to America a Victory and is taking a victory lap in Indiana after saving merely 800 jobs. It is all a con. The reality is that those jobs of moving a sock off the conveyor belt are long gone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/29/beware-of-donald-trumps-con-on-manufacturing-jobs/?utm_term=.a91c0ac4d11f

The relationship between factories and workers has changed over the past decades, and it’s unlikely to go back. Over the past 35 years, the United States shed about 7 million manufacturing jobs. And some industries, such as textiles and apparel, have disappeared almost entirely.

Yet American factories actually make more stuff than they ever have, and at a lower cost. Manufacturing accounts for more than a third of U.S. economic output — making it the largest sector of the economy. From that perspective, it’s hard to argue that American manufacturing today is anything but a success.

The issue is that the fortunes of factories themselves and of manufacturing workers have diverged…U.S. factories now manufacture twice as much as they did in 1984, with one-third fewer workers, according to the Federal Reserve.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Nyakinywa on December 03, 2016, 12:02:43 AM
very true... Trump’s “victory” is a hollow one that bodes terribly for the fortunes of the American worker and the American economy.

Trump has called his bring job back to America a Victory and is taking a victory lap in Indiana after saving merely 800 jobs. It is all a con. The reality is that those jobs of moving a sock off the conveyor belt are long gone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/29/beware-of-donald-trumps-con-on-manufacturing-jobs/?utm_term=.a91c0ac4d11f

The relationship between factories and workers has changed over the past decades, and it’s unlikely to go back. Over the past 35 years, the United States shed about 7 million manufacturing jobs. And some industries, such as textiles and apparel, have disappeared almost entirely.

Yet American factories actually make more stuff than they ever have, and at a lower cost. Manufacturing accounts for more than a third of U.S. economic output — making it the largest sector of the economy. From that perspective, it’s hard to argue that American manufacturing today is anything but a success.

The issue is that the fortunes of factories themselves and of manufacturing workers have diverged…U.S. factories now manufacture twice as much as they did in 1984, with one-third fewer workers, according to the Federal Reserve.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: RVtitem on December 13, 2016, 09:29:15 PM
Trump calls free trade "dumb" trade. Trump kicks ass. Check from 15:00

Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Achiek tho on December 14, 2016, 12:34:24 AM
Better training programs???You currently have most people with college degrees and master in America competing for lower wage-paying Jobs like Wall mart or fast-food restaurants. Where are jobs gonna come from for people you saying to be better trained if the better trained currently don't have jobs. Artificial Intelligence and Robots are taking better paying jobs too. Prepare for the world of the HAVE and HAVE NOT. The New World Order is here

Those are economic impossibilities. What he needs to do is create better training programs for the displaced workers.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Georgesoros on December 14, 2016, 05:04:22 AM
If you pole have not noticed trump separate the world by race. thats why he favors russia over say china. Africans will of course get crumbs. and with uhurus of africa stealing tax money the less well off will b in taters or dead from hunger n diseases.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 14, 2016, 07:26:19 PM
If you pole have not noticed trump separate the world by race. thats why he favors russia over say china. Africans will of course get crumbs. and with uhurus of africa stealing tax money the less well off will b in taters or dead from hunger n diseases.

I sense a bit of that too.  Trump is as sad a character as any that has occupied the White House.  The country will be the worse for it.  The appointments are shambolic.  EPA secretary, denies climate change.  Energy Secretary, would have loved to eliminate the department he is to head.  Secretary of Labor, hates the idea of benefits and minimum pay.  Secretary of State is in Putin's pockets....and it goes on.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: RVtitem on December 14, 2016, 11:19:54 PM
I think Trump understand the biggest competitor to USA is going to be Chinaman. He is trying to win Russia in war against Chinese world domination.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Nefertiti on December 15, 2016, 09:09:12 PM
Russia seems to be having the last laugh going by political happenings in the West. I expect the Ukraine and Syria affairs to be settled amicably in Moscow's favor under Trump.
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: MOON Ki on December 15, 2016, 10:58:33 PM
Trump's presidency could well be "great" for the legacy of America's first black president.  All the haters and whiners and other ingrates (in America and elsewhere) might finally appreciate the kind of person he is and his achievements---after starting with the 2008 economic disaster, the misguided adventures in places like Iraq, and a generally chaotic world.   
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Omollo on December 16, 2016, 10:45:53 AM
I agree with MoonKi 100%

I have to confess that the day I heard Chelsea Clinton denouncing Obamacare followed by her father's diatribe against it is the day I "withdrew" from the poll. I could see the only reason why I could strongly support Hillary being thrown out through the garbage chute.  It no longer mattered if either of the two bozos won.

I also firmly believed that Hillary would have pandered to the right wing whackos. The sort of endorsements she was getting nauseated me
Title: Re: What USA re-industrialisation under Trump will mean for Africa
Post by: Empedocles on December 16, 2016, 04:17:35 PM
Trump's presidency could well be "great" for the legacy of America's first black president.  All the haters and whiners and other ingrates (in America and elsewhere) might finally appreciate the kind of person he is and his achievements---after starting with the 2008 economic disaster, the misguided adventures in places like Iraq, and a generally chaotic world.   

Not only great for Obama but for he who started all the mess Obama had to clean up:

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