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Title: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2016, 11:44:08 AM
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/I-will-not-resign-EACC-chair-Kinisu-says/-/1056/3300878/-/n9f2jbz/-/index.html
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on July 19, 2016, 01:20:51 PM
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/I-will-not-resign-EACC-chair-Kinisu-says/-/1056/3300878/-/n9f2jbz/-/index.html

Having a society which very generously rewards corruption brings the best and most scrupleless out of the woodwork.

How anybody can expect otherwise is baffling.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Simanova on July 19, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
I sinned by keeping quiet or was I busy. I know this bastard. He is one of the most corrupt bastards in Kenya. I ran in to him after he cleared an impropriety that we (as the donor) had flagged). I was shell shocked and it would the last time I ever took up anything to do with Kenya while I worked there. I did some checking and learned that he was out to be a dollar billionaire before 60 or so.

There is something about his name and background. I do not recall but it is possible he has changed his name to disguise his background.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Georgesoros on July 19, 2016, 06:53:12 PM
And he is in charge of Corruption!!
If Uhuru had grabbed corrruption by the balls like he did his case with ICC, we will be in a much safer country.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: hk on July 19, 2016, 08:50:11 PM

I have to say I listened to his press conference in the morning and the allegations seemed a little far fetched but hey what do I know.

Here is kisero take http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/kinisu-survival-will-hinge-on-dexterity-of-political-footwork/-/440808/3301742/-/12hpsay/-/index.html

Mr Philip Kinisu assumed the helm of the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Authority in January this year with solid credentials.

A former head of African business for PricewaterhouseCoopers, the largest professional services firm in the world, and a man with a wealth of experience and training in forensic auditing, his appointment generated high public expectation.

Unlike his predecessors, he is a fairly wealthy individual, his flagship an expansive property complex in the Hurlingham area by the name Kones Heights.

When I engaged him in a one-on-one conversation in April, this year, he came through as a man who had weighed the risks and challenges of the office carefully, especially the politics, the fiefdoms within the organisation itself, and the need to restore clear lines of command within the country’s epic anti-corruption agency.

He gave me fresh insights into the problems at EACC and lamented about lack of capacity in investigating complex transactions, about the backlog of corruption complaints, and what needed to be done to clear the backlog cases. He had fresh ideas on how he intended to promote closer cooperation and information sharing between the EACC and other investigating and auditing bodies.

When we parted company, I made a mental note: his biggest mistake was to assume that his appointing authorities had indeed been serious about fighting grand corruption when they gave him the job.

When we appoint a new anti-graft czar, especially a person like Kinisu who has had a long career working for reputable international institutions, our true intention is merely to hoodwink our friends and allies in the West and to present an appearance of genuine commitment to fighting graft.

Secondly, I was also left with the distinct impression that the man had underestimated the tenacity of powerful insiders within EACC itself. Corruption is all about a network of operatives sharing rewards and risks with corrupt outsiders.

The reason the turnover of anti-corruption czars in this country has been high is because grand corruption is practised by networks of operatives with high stakes in keeping corruption hidden, operatives who will go to great lengths to freeze out critics and whistleblowers.

Two years ago, the machinations of these networks played out in a vicious battle for control of the EACC that pitted its former chairman, Mr Mumo Matemu, and his team of commissioners on one hand, and members of the secretariat on the other. That battle ended up in the exit of all the commissioners, setting the stage for the appointment of Kinisu and a new crop of commissioners.

POPULAR WISDOM

Later, it was to emerge that contrary to the popular wisdom of that time, Matemu and commissioners Irene Keino and Jane Onsongo had not left office voluntarily, they had actually been forced out of office through hostile machinations by powerful politicians working in cahoots with their allies from within the EACC’s secretariat.

Right now, Kinisu finds himself completely cornered, facing investigations on issues which, although still unproven, have given his enemies fodder to start pressing for his exit.

He will have to display a great deal of dexterity in his political footwork to win the battle.

In the coming days, we are going to be taken through the all too familiar game. It will start with orchestrated choruses calling on the man to “step aside” to make way for investigations.

Once—and if—he accepts to step aside, powerful individuals will then send emissaries to give him an ultimatum: resign or face investigations, which will never end.

When the mission is accomplished, the stage will then have been set for another round for a search for a new chairman for the EACC. This boring ritual is how the EACC remains completely exposed as an institution that has long lost its independence from the Executive.

In his defence, Kinisu has said that the conflict of interest charge against him cannot stand because all the contracts between Esaki and the National Youth Service were won and performed prior to his appointment as chair of the EACC.

He says the money laundering allegations against APCRH, the NGO that he chairs have never even been disclosed to the organisation.

He laments how barely a month after he was appointed, a high calibre gun fitted with a silencer was fired into his private office; how he, at one time, discovered that he had been under illegal surveillance.

His attempt to conduct life-style audits of EACC staff through vetting was blocked. Who cares?

jaindikisero@gmail.com
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: MOON Ki on July 19, 2016, 09:12:20 PM
It is possible---and it would not be surprising if it should turn out to be the case---that this is just the "corruption cartels" fighting back.   But the man needs better arguments to defend himself, and Kisero needs to think a bit more about the defense he has mounted on behalf of the man.   Take this, for example:

Quote
In his defence, Kinisu has said that the conflict of interest charge against him cannot stand because all the contracts between Esaki and the National Youth Service were won and performed prior to his appointment as chair of the EACC.

As far as I can tell, the NYS heist mostly took place before his appointment.  So that date is, of itself, not helpful: Is the argument that any theft he might have been involved in before his appointment does not matter?   That his lot were involved in NYS contracts before his appointment does not prove that they were not involved in the heist; if they were then there is an obvious conflict-of-interest if he claims to be looking into the matter.   A better approach might be to argue that neither he nor any persons or organizations connected to him were involved in the heist, and he can do that by providing appropriate details.

The other curious thing here is the timing.   Why is it only now that this guy is telling us about his NYS involvements?   Did he mention them to his Kisero friend their "one-on-one" in April?   Elementary rules of ethics, which he would well be aware of, suggest that he should have been forthcoming much earlier and without any prompting---not when an investigation is started against him.   
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Georgesoros on July 19, 2016, 10:17:18 PM
Your argument is invalid since the guy is supposed to completely divest from these companies and agencies that he is supposed to investigate. A wrong is a wrong however you look at it. Defending it means you're associating with criminals. It's time to take a stand.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Nefertiti on July 19, 2016, 11:55:21 PM
Jubilee is a total failure in fighting graft. Imagine UhuRuto have no anti-corruption strategy because they pretend this is EACC/DPP job. PORK even defended corrupt CS Waiguru before she stepped aside despite his unconditional backing.

CORD should really hammer them on this with proper strategy. Including transparent party financing, wealth declarations, etc. EACC should have power to ban thieves from public office for life. Waiguru should clear her name by declaring wealth, etc not running for governor to loot more cash. Same for Ngilu.

Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Nefertiti on July 20, 2016, 12:03:44 AM
The endless problems at EACC and incompetent DPP just show UhuRuto's zero leadership. Once it became clear the current setup is ineffective it is now a leadership (PORK) job.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/I-will-not-resign-EACC-chair-Kinisu-says/-/1056/3300878/-/n9f2jbz/-/index.html
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: MOON Ki on July 20, 2016, 01:34:54 AM
Getting "better" by the minute:

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000209179/eacc-boss-fights-off-claims-as-new-sh246m-payment-emerges

One wonders what the "vetting" people look into ...

Still, one "good" thing about all this is that the lexicon has had new life injected into it.   "Money has been poured to finish our people" was getting kind of tired.   It is now all about "corruption cartels", fighting back or doing this, that, and the other.    And please make me governor.   
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Georgesoros on July 20, 2016, 04:40:55 AM
A bigger problem is CORD has been passive in looking for and making loud noises about corrupt deals.
The whole system STINKS!!!

The endless problems at EACC and incompetent DPP just show UhuRuto's zero leadership. Once it became clear the current setup is ineffective it is now a leadership (PORK) job.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/I-will-not-resign-EACC-chair-Kinisu-says/-/1056/3300878/-/n9f2jbz/-/index.html
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on July 20, 2016, 08:12:11 AM
Robina,
I think Uhuru did wake up from slumber last year and fired 170 public official who were under investigation by EACC. These include five ministers (Ngilu, Kazumbi,Chirchir, Kamau and guy from Nandi) and many powerful and close alies of UhuRuto. That wasn't easy decision and I hope this would be made a policy. Uhuru also forced out the EACC commisioners and gave us Kinisu guy who on face value looked "clean" - impeechable CV from PWC but seem to have some dirt now.The good thing Kinisu is now under investigation and may be forced out.

Overally Jubilee scores "C" in the Anti-Corruption. The cabinet is very clean and proffesional. Most of the public appointments are now proffesional picked through a competitive process. But of course we dealing with sitaution where everyone seem corrupt. The contracts and tenders being issued I think still leave a lot to be desired. The security contracts -internal and KDF - certainly smell fishy.

Maybe we should consider hiring non-kenyans for the anti-graft czars.

CORD desperation to create a scandal "EuroBond" clearly shows they are not interested in fighting graft but playing politics.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on July 20, 2016, 11:13:43 AM
Robina,
I think Uhuru did wake up from slumber last year and fired 170 public official who were under investigation by EACC. These include five ministers (Ngilu, Kazumbi,Chirchir, Kamau and guy from Nandi) and many powerful and close alies of UhuRuto. That wasn't easy decision and I hope this would be made a policy. Uhuru also forced out the EACC commisioners and gave us Kinisu guy who on face value looked "clean" - impeechable CV from PWC but seem to have some dirt now.The good thing Kinisu is now under investigation and may be forced out.

Overally Jubilee scores "C" in the Anti-Corruption. The cabinet is very clean and proffesional. Most of the public appointments are now proffesional picked through a competitive process. But of course we dealing with sitaution where everyone seem corrupt. The contracts and tenders being issued I think still leave a lot to be desired. The security contracts -internal and KDF - certainly smell fishy.

Maybe we should consider hiring non-kenyans for the anti-graft czars.

CORD desperation to create a scandal "EuroBond" clearly shows they are not interested in fighting graft but playing politics.

RV, even you agree that there's massive corruption going on and not a single high level corruption suspect has ever been convicted and jailed.

How do you come up with a grade of "C" then?

The firing by Uhuru of corruption suspects was juts PR, nothing more.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Nefertiti on July 20, 2016, 12:12:21 PM
Robina,
I think Uhuru did wake up from slumber last year and fired 170 public official who were under investigation by EACC. These include five ministers (Ngilu, Kazumbi,Chirchir, Kamau and guy from Nandi) and many powerful and close alies of UhuRuto. That wasn't easy decision and I hope this would be made a policy. Uhuru also forced out the EACC commisioners and gave us Kinisu guy who on face value looked "clean" - impeechable CV from PWC but seem to have some dirt now.The good thing Kinisu is now under investigation and may be forced out.

Overally Jubilee scores "C" in the Anti-Corruption. The cabinet is very clean and proffesional. Most of the public appointments are now proffesional picked through a competitive process. But of course we dealing with sitaution where everyone seem corrupt. The contracts and tenders being issued I think still leave a lot to be desired. The security contracts -internal and KDF - certainly smell fishy.

Maybe we should consider hiring non-kenyans for the anti-graft czars.

CORD desperation to create a scandal "EuroBond" clearly shows they are not interested in fighting graft but playing politics.

RV, even you agree that there's massive corruption going on and not a single high level corruption suspect has ever been convicted and jailed.

How do you come up with a grade of "C" then?

The firing by Uhuru of corruption suspects was juts PR, nothing more.

F. Where is UhuRuto wealth declaration?
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on July 20, 2016, 12:26:14 PM
Firing the likes of Ngilu was not easy. DDP/Judiciary/EACC are independent. I don't know how you can blame Uhuru for their failures. So Uhuru has done something - so he gets a C from me - but could do more from his executive end. He really need Anti-Corruption czar like Githongo without a tape recorder who can advice him on what to do here.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Simanova on July 20, 2016, 12:34:12 PM
I wo0uld support you here by adding that ALL NYS procurement was flawed. His company therefore never really "won" any tenders over there. The criteria used to identify suppliers was their ability to pay kickbacks.

I have been in this line of work for a while now and I can tell you 270 million kenya shillings can build a lot of wells. I need not pump it up anybody's brain but simply google the price of water pumps and other things he is supposed to have supplied and see for yourself. Most of this stuff is sourced in China so Alibaba.com would be a perfect starting point.

My take on Jaindi's defence is that YEES, Kinisu is being targeted to stop him from working. However he should have wondered why he was being hired despite having all this baggage.

Moi believed that a "Ruler" needs good and bad people (guess where he got that from). He trained Uhuru.

It is possible---and it would not be surprising if it should turn out to be the case---that this is just the "corruption cartels" fighting back.   But the man needs better arguments to defend himself, and Kisero needs to think a bit more about the defense he has mounted on behalf of the man.   Take this, for example:

Quote
In his defence, Kinisu has said that the conflict of interest charge against him cannot stand because all the contracts between Esaki and the National Youth Service were won and performed prior to his appointment as chair of the EACC.

As far as I can tell, the NYS heist mostly took place before his appointment.  So that date is, of itself, not helpful: Is the argument that any theft he might have been involved in before his appointment does not matter?   That his lot were involved in NYS contracts before his appointment does not prove that they were not involved in the heist; if they were then there is an obvious conflict-of-interest if he claims to be looking into the matter.   A better approach might be to argue that neither he nor any persons or organizations connected to him were involved in the heist, and he can do that by providing appropriate details.

The other curious thing here is the timing.   Why is it only now that this guy is telling us about his NYS involvements?   Did he mention them to his Kisero friend their "one-on-one" in April?   Elementary rules of ethics, which he would well be aware of, suggest that he should have been forthcoming much earlier and without any prompting---not when an investigation is started against him.   
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Nefertiti on July 20, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
There is nothing "independent" from PORK and parliament. If UhuRuto chose corruption and impunity would end starting with useless Tobiko.

Firing the likes of Ngilu was not easy. DDP/Judiciary/EACC are independent. I don't know how you can blame Uhuru for their failures. So Uhuru has done something - so he gets a C from me - but could do more from his executive end. He really need Anti-Corruption czar like Githongo without a tape recorder who can advice him on what to do here.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on July 20, 2016, 12:52:20 PM
Firing the likes of Ngilu was not easy. DDP/Judiciary/EACC are independent. I don't know how you can blame Uhuru for their failures. So Uhuru has done something - so he gets a C from me - but could do more from his executive end. He really need Anti-Corruption czar like Githongo without a tape recorder who can advice him on what to do here.

The truth is, just like Mutunga said, we have a bandit economy run by thugs.

Uhuru isn't willing to do anything (different from saying he can't). The foundation of impunity was laid down by his father, who made doubly sure that every single institution which should have been responsible for guaranteeing the rule of law was instead used to protect the thieving elite.

Over a half century later, not a single thieving elite has ever been charged, convicted, and sentenced for grand larceny. Not even a token one. The most the public has ever received to pacify them is the infamous "stepping aside" or Uhuru's "firing".

Moi continued it (Fuata Nyayo), so did Kibaki / Raila, and now we have Uhuru doing the same thing.

Facts are impossible to dispute.

From today's Business Daily, here's an institution being used to protect the elite, subverting the rule of law:

Quote
EACC clears election chiefs of ‘Chickengate’ scandal

Kenya’s anti-graft agency on Tuesday exonerated persons named in a London court as key players in the so-called Chickengate scandal after it recommended criminal charges against four persons, including former electoral commission chief executive James Oswago.

Those missing from the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) list and were mentioned in the London court include Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) chairperson Issack Hassan, sacked Energy secretary Davis Chirchir and former Kenya National Examinations Council (Knec) chief executive Paul Wasanga.

More than a dozen persons were named as having been part of the syndicate where Kenyan public servants pocketed hefty bribes totalling Sh52 million codenamed ‘chicken’ to award contracts to British printing firm Smith & Ouzman, court documents show.

Those found culpable in the bribery ring include Trevy James Oyombra, the Kenyan agent for Smith & Ouzman, former IEBC procurement officer Kenneth Karani and Hamida Kibwana, an employee of the defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya.

The EACC said it “has found evidence of criminal culpability on the part of and recommended criminal charges” against the four in a recommendation forwarded to Director of Public Prosecutions Keriako Tobiko on Tuesday.

“EACC has found no evidence of criminal culpability on the part of any other official of the then Interim Independent Electoral Commission (IIEC),” said Mr Tobiko in reference to the EACC recommendation, adding that he will review it and make an independent decision.

Mr Hassan and seven other public officials are named as individuals who directly participated in the syndicate and pocketed bribes totalling Sh52 million in return for contracts to print election ballot papers.

The list included Mr Chirchir, Mr Oswago, lawyer Kennedy Nyaundi (ex-commissioner) and Mr Karanai.

Mr Oyombra together with former ECK officials, Joseph Khamis Dena and Mr Kibwana, are said to have arranged payment of ‘chicken’ to the electoral chiefs.

The group “corruptly agreed to make payments to Interim Independent Electoral Commission of Kenya officials as an inducement or reward for showing favour to Smith & Ouzman,” says the indictment documents from London’s Southwark Crown Court.

The kickbacks were “in relation to the award of and payment for contracts to print materials for the Interim Independent Electoral Commission of Kenya,” the documents say.

In 2008, the IIEC replaced ECK, which was in 2010 replaced by the IEBC.

Four Knec officials, including Mr Wasanga, are also named as having participated in the bribery ring.

Court papers say Mr Wasanga was entitled to £5,000 ‘chicken’ every year from Smith & Ouzman. Geoffrey Gitogo, council’s ICT manager, Ephraim Wanderi (computer manager) and Michael Ndua (principal supplies officer) were each paid $1,000 (Sh100,000), according to the court documents.

The Knec quartet is named in London charge sheet as having received bribes “as an inducement or reward for showing favour to Smith & Ouzman Ltd in relation to the award of and payment for contracts to print materials for Knec”.

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/EACC-clears-election-chiefs-of--Chickengate--scandal/-/539546/3301876/-/item/1/-/hcacfy/-/index.html
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on July 20, 2016, 12:58:48 PM
This is NOT entirely true and is self defeatist. We are somewhere. That is why Kinisu with his PWC credential is facing a probe.

The truth is, just like Mutunga said, we have a bandit economy run by thugs.

Uhuru isn't willing to do anything (different from saying he can't). The foundation of impunity was laid down by his father, who made doubly sure that every single institution which should have been responsible for guaranteeing the rule of law was instead used to protect the thieving elite.

Over a half century later, not a single thieving elite has ever been charged, convicted, and sentenced for grand larceny. Not even a token one. The most the public has ever received to pacify them is the infamous "stepping aside" or Uhuru's "firing".

Moi continued it (Fuata Nyayo), so did Kibaki / Raila, and now we have Uhuru doing the same thing.

Facts are impossible to dispute.

From today's Business Daily, here's an institution being used to protect the elite, subverting the rule of law:
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Nefertiti on July 20, 2016, 01:04:09 PM
100% true. Even Ruto's mighty wisdom seems to end here. Expect flawlessness looting during his tenure.

Firing the likes of Ngilu was not easy. DDP/Judiciary/EACC are independent. I don't know how you can blame Uhuru for their failures. So Uhuru has done something - so he gets a C from me - but could do more from his executive end. He really need Anti-Corruption czar like Githongo without a tape recorder who can advice him on what to do here.

The truth is, just like Mutunga said, we have a bandit economy run by thugs.

Uhuru isn't willing to do anything (different from saying he can't). The foundation of impunity was laid down by his father, who made doubly sure that every single institution which should have been responsible for guaranteeing the rule of law was instead used to protect the thieving elite.

Over a half century later, not a single thieving elite has ever been charged, convicted, and sentenced for grand larceny. Not even a token one. The most the public has ever received to pacify them is the infamous "stepping aside" or Uhuru's "firing".

Moi continued it (Fuata Nyayo), so did Kibaki / Raila, and now we have Uhuru doing the same thing.

Facts are impossible to dispute.

From today's Business Daily, here's an institution being used to protect the elite, subverting the rule of law:

Quote
EACC clears election chiefs of ‘Chickengate’ scandal

Kenya’s anti-graft agency on Tuesday exonerated persons named in a London court as key players in the so-called Chickengate scandal after it recommended criminal charges against four persons, including former electoral commission chief executive James Oswago.

Those missing from the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) list and were mentioned in the London court include Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) chairperson Issack Hassan, sacked Energy secretary Davis Chirchir and former Kenya National Examinations Council (Knec) chief executive Paul Wasanga.

More than a dozen persons were named as having been part of the syndicate where Kenyan public servants pocketed hefty bribes totalling Sh52 million codenamed ‘chicken’ to award contracts to British printing firm Smith & Ouzman, court documents show.

Those found culpable in the bribery ring include Trevy James Oyombra, the Kenyan agent for Smith & Ouzman, former IEBC procurement officer Kenneth Karani and Hamida Kibwana, an employee of the defunct Electoral Commission of Kenya.

The EACC said it “has found evidence of criminal culpability on the part of and recommended criminal charges” against the four in a recommendation forwarded to Director of Public Prosecutions Keriako Tobiko on Tuesday.

“EACC has found no evidence of criminal culpability on the part of any other official of the then Interim Independent Electoral Commission (IIEC),” said Mr Tobiko in reference to the EACC recommendation, adding that he will review it and make an independent decision.

Mr Hassan and seven other public officials are named as individuals who directly participated in the syndicate and pocketed bribes totalling Sh52 million in return for contracts to print election ballot papers.

The list included Mr Chirchir, Mr Oswago, lawyer Kennedy Nyaundi (ex-commissioner) and Mr Karanai.

Mr Oyombra together with former ECK officials, Joseph Khamis Dena and Mr Kibwana, are said to have arranged payment of ‘chicken’ to the electoral chiefs.

The group “corruptly agreed to make payments to Interim Independent Electoral Commission of Kenya officials as an inducement or reward for showing favour to Smith & Ouzman,” says the indictment documents from London’s Southwark Crown Court.

The kickbacks were “in relation to the award of and payment for contracts to print materials for the Interim Independent Electoral Commission of Kenya,” the documents say.

In 2008, the IIEC replaced ECK, which was in 2010 replaced by the IEBC.

Four Knec officials, including Mr Wasanga, are also named as having participated in the bribery ring.

Court papers say Mr Wasanga was entitled to £5,000 ‘chicken’ every year from Smith & Ouzman. Geoffrey Gitogo, council’s ICT manager, Ephraim Wanderi (computer manager) and Michael Ndua (principal supplies officer) were each paid $1,000 (Sh100,000), according to the court documents.

The Knec quartet is named in London charge sheet as having received bribes “as an inducement or reward for showing favour to Smith & Ouzman Ltd in relation to the award of and payment for contracts to print materials for Knec”.

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/EACC-clears-election-chiefs-of--Chickengate--scandal/-/539546/3301876/-/item/1/-/hcacfy/-/index.html
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on July 20, 2016, 01:51:38 PM
This is NOT entirely true and is self defeatist. We are somewhere. That is why Kinisu with his PWC credential is facing a probe.

Provide facts to support your assertion that it's not true.

Anything.

Starting from Jomo's regime to Uhuru's.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Nefertiti on July 20, 2016, 02:18:51 PM
I see UhuRuto's hand in EACC/DPP chasing tail... otherwise they would act. It is a window to recoup / refuel campaign kitty. It is not rocket science.

This is NOT entirely true and is self defeatist. We are somewhere. That is why Kinisu with his PWC credential is facing a probe.

Provide facts to support your assertion that it's not true.

Anything.

Starting from Jomo's regime to Uhuru's.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 20, 2016, 05:47:42 PM
There is a saying somewhere about repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome.  I have also mentioned elsewhere that these things should be outsourced; a fraction of recovered proceeds used to pay the third party.  Any reasonable person can see that there is no hope of Kenyans sorting out the corruption by their own devices.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: MOON Ki on July 20, 2016, 05:52:24 PM
There is a saying somewhere about repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome.  I have also mentioned elsewhere that these things should be outsourced; a fraction of recovered proceeds used to pay the third party. 

Will never happen.   That would require serious action from the "leadership", and they would "lose" the most in an honest system.     
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on July 20, 2016, 05:54:08 PM
There is a saying somewhere about repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome.  I have also mentioned elsewhere that these things should be outsourced; a fraction of recovered proceeds used to pay the third party. 

Will never happen.   That would require serious action from the "leadership", and they would "lose" the most in an honest system.     

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Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2016, 04:16:25 PM
Summoned by CID - He should just resign.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000209786/eacc-chair-kinisu-grilled-over-family-dealings-with-nys
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 25, 2016, 04:33:26 PM
Summoned by CID - He should just resign.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000209786/eacc-chair-kinisu-grilled-over-family-dealings-with-nys


This is exactly why I think EACC is a waste of money.  They do the work of a police department with specialized help when needed.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on July 25, 2016, 05:00:21 PM
Summoned by CID - He should just resign.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000209786/eacc-chair-kinisu-grilled-over-family-dealings-with-nys

Why?

He knows nothing is going to happen.

He's being summoned during working hours so he'll probably be earning per diem.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2016, 05:03:08 PM
Who will investigate the police - who are the most corrupt. IPOA seem restricted in their mandate. I think having EACC was good idea - we just need to make it work. We have tried several people - include the motormouth lumumba, this kinisu guy from PWC, Aron Ringera the former judge and other colorless folks along the way..but all seem to come short. Maybe outsource this job to FBI?
This is exactly why I think EACC is a waste of money.  They do the work of a police department with specialized help when needed.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on July 25, 2016, 05:04:45 PM
He is damaged goods. What should happen next is for someone to petition parliament for him to be ejected. He should have disclosed this NYS deal. He is not good for anyone including Uhuru. You want a "very clean" guy in there...even if you're interested in cynical PR game.

How is he suppose to investigate NYS while he is part of the it.

Why?

He knows nothing is going to happen.

He's being summoned during working hours so he'll probably be earning per diem.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: MOON Ki on July 25, 2016, 05:11:16 PM
Muhoro himself has been mentioned in questionable deals that  the EACC might want to look at:

Quote
[Tatu City] The investment again grabbed headlines in the past week when lawyer Ahmednasir Abdullahi accused Director of Criminal Investigations Ndegwa Muhoro of complicity in an attempt to rob the main investors of their stake in the business.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/The-sad-story-of-Tatu-City-/-/1056/3114978/-/rfosum/-/index.html

Maybe DCI and EACC can take turns investigating each other.     :D
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on July 25, 2016, 05:13:06 PM
Who will investigate the police - who are the most corrupt. IPOA seem restricted in their mandate. I think having EACC was good idea - we just need to make it work. We have tried several people - include the motormouth lumumba, this kinisu guy from PWC, Aron Ringera the former judge and other colorless folks along the way..but all seem to come short. Maybe outsource this job to FBI?
This is exactly why I think EACC is a waste of money.  They do the work of a police department with specialized help when needed.

Ultimately the buck has to stop with someone that can be trusted.  Both EACC and police are corrupt.  Should we now create another one to watch over them?  We'll just have to trust one.  The police.  They are independent.  Supposedly.  This is the one institution that could use the Kagame like types.  It might be a good idea to make the Inspector General an elected position.  EACC is basically a panic institution.  Their work so far?  A foil to ease political pressure on the crooks. 


If the oversight institutions are corrupt, it's still better to limit them to as few as possible.  Keep the damage localized.  Stick to one and look for avenues of making it more reliable.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on July 27, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
NYS - Their family company applied under "youths".
More dirt ; He got 150m from Malaria control under suspicious circumtances.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/07/27/eacc-boss-kinisus-firm-got-sh150m-for-malaria-insecticides_c1392983

Kinisu should have resigned from day one - now he need to be dragged before court and tribunal - if Uhuru doesn't tell him to step aside.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Simanova on July 27, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
Honestly this Kinisu guy.... how deep is he in corruption? Every day brings out new dirt and it is in millions. I am now bracing for the "Big One" involving him and some state agency. I wont be surprised if the say he is also a "night Runner" covering Bungoma all the way to Nyakach.

NYS - Their family company applied under "youths".
More dirt ; He got 150m from Malaria control under suspicious circumtances.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/07/27/eacc-boss-kinisus-firm-got-sh150m-for-malaria-insecticides_c1392983

Kinisu should have resigned from day one - now he need to be dragged before court and tribunal - if Uhuru doesn't tell him to step aside.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Kichwa on July 27, 2016, 04:04:43 PM
Regime change at the top is the only hope.  If the system that picks them is corrupt and rigged to favor the corrupt then we should not expect any better. Right now the same rigged/corrupt system is picking a CJ and somehow we hope the next CJ will be independent and not corrupt.  We have to be out of our minds to expect that level of miracle to happen.  We focus on tribe and they steal with wanton abandon. Its like stealing candy from disabled infants.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on August 29, 2016, 03:05:21 PM
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Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Omollo on August 29, 2016, 03:55:02 PM
Sorry. I didn't pay attention to the date. He resigned from the bank that laundered his loot.

The question is who shot at him. Did he arrange it himself?

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Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Gumzo on August 29, 2016, 06:43:19 PM



On the same day early this month,
EACC head Kinisu was at CID HQ being grilled on corruption
while DCI Ndegwa Muhoro was at EACC being grilled on corruption

you can't make this stuff up !!!!

Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Omollo on August 29, 2016, 10:50:22 PM
There are some things in The Fatherland I simply fail to understand. May be too many years in other people's countries has that sort of outcome.

We have senior policemen confessing to running wide and deep cartels collecting money in a pyramid like formation. These stories are appearing in newspapers having been stated before a lawful Constitutional Tribunal.

On the other hand we have the Kenya Revenue Authority; The Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (ignore the Ethics portion for now anyway); The Judiciary (whose suo moto powers have never once been tested or practiced); The executive (which continues to declare its commitment to end corruption; Parliament (what can I say? Two houses of fully paid grown ups); Assets Recovery Unit (with unlimited powers and access to the courts and above all The Director of Public Prosecutions. I may add we have a self declared Opus Dei (Catholic probably God fearing as well) Central Bank Governor?

Any one of these can launch investigations independent of the Kavuludi Kangaroo tribunal.

Nothing is happening...
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on August 29, 2016, 10:56:08 PM
There are some things in The Fatherland I simply fail to understand. May be too many years in other people's countries has that sort of outcome.

We have senior policemen confessing to running wide and deep cartels collecting money in a pyramid like formation. These stories are appearing in newspapers having been stated before a lawful Constitutional Tribunal.

On the other hand we have the Kenya Revenue Authority; The Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (ignore the Ethics portion for now anyway); The Judiciary (whose suo moto powers have never once been tested or practiced); The executive (which continues to declare its commitment to end corruption; Parliament (what can I say? Two houses of fully paid grown ups); Assets Recovery Unit (with unlimited powers and access to the courts and above all The Director of Public Prosecutions. I may add we have a self declared Opus Dei (Catholic probably God fearing as well) Central Bank Governor?

Any one of these can launch investigations independent of the Kavuludi Kangaroo tribunal.

Nothing is happening...

With complete Mpesa records to boot!

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Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2016, 09:49:32 AM
This resignation shows we are getting somewhere.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 30, 2016, 01:22:25 PM
There are some things in The Fatherland I simply fail to understand. May be too many years in other people's countries has that sort of outcome.

We have senior policemen confessing to running wide and deep cartels collecting money in a pyramid like formation. These stories are appearing in newspapers having been stated before a lawful Constitutional Tribunal.

On the other hand we have the Kenya Revenue Authority; The Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (ignore the Ethics portion for now anyway); The Judiciary (whose suo moto powers have never once been tested or practiced); The executive (which continues to declare its commitment to end corruption; Parliament (what can I say? Two houses of fully paid grown ups); Assets Recovery Unit (with unlimited powers and access to the courts and above all The Director of Public Prosecutions. I may add we have a self declared Opus Dei (Catholic probably God fearing as well) Central Bank Governor?

Any one of these can launch investigations independent of the Kavuludi Kangaroo tribunal.

Nothing is happening...

Yes.  A lot of offices and officers that can technically go after crooks.  To me, the biggest and most powerful and most utterly useless?  DPP and Kenya police.  In an ideal(even just normal) situation, they are all that a country needs.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Gumzo on August 30, 2016, 03:12:39 PM
This resignation shows we are getting somewhere.

This resignation means nothing and you know it Mr Pundit, because I know you are not an idiot
The forces of corruption are simply going to appoint another compromised individual whom they
can "work with" to maintaining the whole "fighting corruption" charade 

the existence of EACC is an act of corruption !!!

There is no way an individual who seriously means to fight corruption is going to be
appointed by the corrupt appointing authority. 
in short, thieves NEVER take themselves to the cops
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on August 30, 2016, 03:45:52 PM
Don't be cynical. This is not discrete but continous struggle...where we will make progress and regress along the way as is natural. It not either corruption or no corruption. It more or less corruption. The fact that media,mps, investigating agencies and public applied enough pressure to kick out Kinisu barely months in...shows we are getting somewhere. The next guy will be better than Kinisu. He'll not be squeaky clean but at least they'll do more digging or vetting before their appointment. EACC have come along way from when Moi appointed drug baron to be the head of one. That was cynical moi move.
This resignation means nothing and you know it Mr Pundit, because I know you are not an idiot
The forces of corruption are simply going to appoint another compromised individual whom they
can "work with" to maintaining the whole "fighting corruption" charade 

the existence of EACC is an act of corruption !!!

There is no way an individual who seriously means to fight corruption is going to be
appointed by the corrupt appointing authority. 
in short, thieves NEVER take themselves to the cops
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Nefertiti on August 30, 2016, 08:29:43 PM
I agree it is progressive not absolute. But when a CS resigns over serious corruption allegations, joins the ruling party and declares her run for county governor we are in trouble. Public outrage, nay shame, should dictate her place. Expect dead silence from EACC over thieves running for office.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 30, 2016, 09:09:05 PM
This resignation shows we are getting somewhere.

This resignation means nothing and you know it Mr Pundit, because I know you are not an idiot
The forces of corruption are simply going to appoint another compromised individual whom they
can "work with" to maintaining the whole "fighting corruption" charade 

the existence of EACC is an act of corruption !!!

There is no way an individual who seriously means to fight corruption is going to be
appointed by the corrupt appointing authority. 
in short, thieves NEVER take themselves to the cops

An ugly morsel of truth.  But the truth nevertheless.  As long as Sam Gichuru, who has already plead gulity in another court, as low hanging a fruit as one can find anywhere,  remains unmolested with zero risk of being brought to book, I am not yet ready to be fooled by all the noises going on.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Omollo on August 30, 2016, 09:13:09 PM
If you enforce Chapter 6 lots of people will have very long days and weeks.

Robina, if you have not read Chinua Achebe's The Trouble with Nigeria, I urge you to do it.

The trouble with Nigeria is the very same we find in Kenya. When a political demagogue finds himself in trouble and realizing that the law will deal with him mercilessly, he transforms legal problems into political issues. Now they no longer have to be demagogues?

1. Mudavadi made a deal with Kibaki to betray ODM in 2007 and stay out of prison. They informed him that though he was ODM Deputy, they would get rid of him. We thought it was a joke. Mudavadi went AWOL during the entire fiasco. It was WSR who put up a fight. It took us a while to understand why he was never targeted the way WSR and Raila were. Any doubts evaporated when Kibaki pushed him to succeed him
2. You have Onyonka prostituting himself to Jubilee to avoid going to prison. I believe Tobiko is deliberately leaving out crucial evidence to ensure he goes free
3. You have Obure going to Jubilee - even though he knows he will suffer politically - to avoid prison for corruption
4. Am told Kimunya is making a comeback after prosecutorial wilful incompetence.

So Waiguru is following a well beaten path.

Am ranting but let me add this:

1. The road to political office passes through (a) Prison cell brought on by GoK (b) Prison cell or such brought on by participation in some mega corruption, with your position made commensurate with the amount you stole. Thus when Mudavadi assisted Pattni to steal billions (before the wife washed it all away) he also bought a check off card to political office. He has been running mate to Uhuru and Raila. He has been fronted by both Moi and Kibaki.

2. Kenyans cheer big thieves. They narrate stories of how these "clever" people stole government money and became rich. Kenyans do not mind a person stealing billions, serving time (to ostensibly "pay for it") and return to the village to grab his Kingship.

In conclusion, we are a bunch of primitive tribal infidels.

Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Omollo on August 30, 2016, 09:17:18 PM
Termie

Gichuru is being "assisted". Justice Madan once let off Stanley Githunguri for theft after he succeeded in drawing out the case. That ruling has saved many including Pattni. Gichuru is aiming for that. I believe he has already hit the mark and can simply get the proper judge to throw out the case and publish the ruling when some Westgate like terror is on.

The DPP shall rattle the saber and speak of appealing. He won't
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 30, 2016, 09:22:17 PM
Termie

Gichuru is being "assisted". Justice Madan once let off Stanley Githunguri for theft after he succeeded in drawing out the case. That ruling has saved many including Pattni. Gichuru is aiming for that. I believe he has already hit the mark and can simply get the proper judge to throw out the case and publish the ruling when some Westgate like terror is on.

The DPP shall rattle the saber and speak of appealing. He won't


You are talking the extradition case right?  For me, the real crazy bit about the DPP is not even the fake appeals or willful incompetence.  But rather why can't he open up a new case against Gichuru totally separate from the extradition charade, using his own company's admission of guilt in Jersey?  I am not aware of any legal barriers preventing him from doing that.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 30, 2016, 09:36:54 PM
If you enforce Chapter 6 lots of people will have very long days and weeks.

Robina, if you have not read Chinua Achebe's The Trouble with Nigeria, I urge you to do it.

The trouble with Nigeria is the very same we find in Kenya. When a political demagogue finds himself in trouble and realizing that the law will deal with him mercilessly, he transforms legal problems into political issues. Now they no longer have to be demagogues?

1. Mudavadi made a deal with Kibaki to betray ODM in 2007 and stay out of prison. They informed him that though he was ODM Deputy, they would get rid of him. We thought it was a joke. Mudavadi went AWOL during the entire fiasco. It was WSR who put up a fight. It took us a while to understand why he was never targeted the way WSR and Raila were. Any doubts evaporated when Kibaki pushed him to succeed him
2. You have Onyonka prostituting himself to Jubilee to avoid going to prison. I believe Tobiko is deliberately leaving out crucial evidence to ensure he goes free
3. You have Obure going to Jubilee - even though he knows he will suffer politically - to avoid prison for corruption
4. Am told Kimunya is making a comeback after prosecutorial wilful incompetence.

So Waiguru is following a well beaten path.

Am ranting but let me add this:

1. The road to political office passes through (a) Prison cell brought on by GoK (b) Prison cell or such brought on by participation in some mega corruption, with your position made commensurate with the amount you stole. Thus when Mudavadi assisted Pattni to steal billions (before the wife washed it all away) he also bought a check off card to political office. He has been running mate to Uhuru and Raila. He has been fronted by both Moi and Kibaki.

2. Kenyans cheer big thieves. They narrate stories of how these "clever" people stole government money and became rich. Kenyans do not mind a person stealing billions, serving time (to ostensibly "pay for it") and return to the village to grab his Kingship.

In conclusion, we are a bunch of primitive tribal infidels.



I saw her story here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Anne-Waiguru-denies-stealing-from-NYS-/1064-3363552-oov00t/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Anne-Waiguru-denies-stealing-from-NYS-/1064-3363552-oov00t/index.html).  She insists she was removed from NYS because of her delivery.  That she saved the government money.  A good prosecutor could have looked at her case and basically ended her story a while back.  Give Kaburu a plea-bargain, catch the big thief - for all we know Kaburu used up all the peanuts they gave her to play her part - nothing worth wasting state resources on.  No need for EACC.  And whatever investigations they seem to be always carrying out that lead to nothing.

She is now running for governor in Kirinyaga.  People are  likely to line up and defiantly cast their votes for her. 
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Omollo on August 30, 2016, 09:47:13 PM
Anne Waiguru planned to be President. She has not learned from her mistakes. She is busy adding to them.

When you are walking and you slip and fall, leave the beaten path and walk through the bus or else the next fall breaks your neck.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Nefertiti on August 30, 2016, 10:01:33 PM
If you enforce Chapter 6 lots of people will have very long days and weeks.

Robina, if you have not read Chinua Achebe's The Trouble with Nigeria, I urge you to do it.

The trouble with Nigeria is the very same we find in Kenya. When a political demagogue finds himself in trouble and realizing that the law will deal with him mercilessly, he transforms legal problems into political issues. Now they no longer have to be demagogues?

1. Mudavadi made a deal with Kibaki to betray ODM in 2007 and stay out of prison. They informed him that though he was ODM Deputy, they would get rid of him. We thought it was a joke. Mudavadi went AWOL during the entire fiasco. It was WSR who put up a fight. It took us a while to understand why he was never targeted the way WSR and Raila were. Any doubts evaporated when Kibaki pushed him to succeed him
2. You have Onyonka prostituting himself to Jubilee to avoid going to prison. I believe Tobiko is deliberately leaving out crucial evidence to ensure he goes free
3. You have Obure going to Jubilee - even though he knows he will suffer politically - to avoid prison for corruption
4. Am told Kimunya is making a comeback after prosecutorial wilful incompetence.

So Waiguru is following a well beaten path.

Am ranting but let me add this:

1. The road to political office passes through (a) Prison cell brought on by GoK (b) Prison cell or such brought on by participation in some mega corruption, with your position made commensurate with the amount you stole. Thus when Mudavadi assisted Pattni to steal billions (before the wife washed it all away) he also bought a check off card to political office. He has been running mate to Uhuru and Raila. He has been fronted by both Moi and Kibaki.

2. Kenyans cheer big thieves. They narrate stories of how these "clever" people stole government money and became rich. Kenyans do not mind a person stealing billions, serving time (to ostensibly "pay for it") and return to the village to grab his Kingship.

In conclusion, we are a bunch of primitive tribal infidels.



I saw her story here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Anne-Waiguru-denies-stealing-from-NYS-/1064-3363552-oov00t/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Anne-Waiguru-denies-stealing-from-NYS-/1064-3363552-oov00t/index.html).  She insists she was removed from NYS because of her delivery.  That she saved the government money.  A good prosecutor could have looked at her case and basically ended her story a while back.  Give Kaburu a plea-bargain, catch the big thief - for all we know Kaburu used up all the peanuts they gave her to play her part - nothing worth wasting state resources on.  No need for EACC.  And whatever investigations they seem to be always carrying out that lead to nothing.

She is now running for governor in Kirinyaga.  People are  likely to line up and defiantly cast their votes for her.

Why do you demand miracles of poor Tobiko? a man with topnotch papers, top honors, magna cum laude, name it. That is simply above his weight.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Omollo on August 30, 2016, 10:42:28 PM
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2016, 09:13:14 AM
There we go with mixing issues. First it rather obvious nothing stops someone from seeking elective office unless they've been proven guilty and have exhausted all appeals & reviews. So Waiguru and anyone else if free to seek any elective seat. As for Tobiko - I think he has done a decent job.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on August 31, 2016, 11:15:00 AM
This resignation shows we are getting somewhere.

Seriously?

How many have been indicted?

(http://i.imgur.com/BJwkFai.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/it4HfNv.jpg)
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RV Pundit on August 31, 2016, 11:26:45 AM
Empo,This is part of getting somewhere. You begin by exposing it. Then you illuminate it and understand the depth of the hole we are in - and start crawling back up. We know understand the depth of traffic police corruption. Waiguru heist is well known. I am dissappointed he has not been charged yet...but the other guys have been, their assets seized and name.

We are moving forward...but NOT just to fast enough. And this I say is where Jubilee have completely failed. They have not done enough.

Uhuru has to seize this opportunity - so he can truly go down as one of our greatest PORK. Already with SGR - he is up there. If by 10yrs he would have pulled out Road Annuity,LAPSET, SGR, GALANA and KONZA city - he'll go down as one of the great - if he reign on corruption - he'll be the greatest.

This resignation shows we are getting somewhere.

Seriously?

How many have been indicted?

(http://i.imgur.com/BJwkFai.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/it4HfNv.jpg)
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Gumzo on August 31, 2016, 02:23:30 PM
Empo,This is part of getting somewhere. You begin by exposing it. Then you illuminate it and understand the depth of the hole we are in - and start crawling back up. We know understand the depth of traffic police corruption. Waiguru heist is well known. I am dissappointed he has not been charged yet...but the other guys have been, their assets seized and name.

We are moving forward...but NOT just to fast enough. And this I say is where Jubilee have completely failed. They have not done enough.

Uhuru has to seize this opportunity - so he can truly go down as one of our greatest PORK. Already with SGR - he is up there. If by 10yrs he would have pulled out Road Annuity,LAPSET, SGR, GALANA and KONZA city - he'll go down as one of the great - if he reign on corruption - he'll be the greatest.

This kind of statements make me very angry !!!
If I was face to face with someone making this kind of statement, I would rain makofi na mateke on them hapo hapo mara hio hio
anybody who is not a bloody idiot would know by now that Uhuru and his GOK have absolutely no option to reign in on corruption
because it (corruption), along with tribalisim and impunity are the main support pillars their leadership stands on. 
if any one of those pillars is removed...their leadership falls...so asking Uhuru to reign in on corruption is asking him to leave office.




 

Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: RVtitem on August 31, 2016, 05:45:03 PM
Empo,This is part of getting somewhere. You begin by exposing it. Then you illuminate it and understand the depth of the hole we are in - and start crawling back up. We know understand the depth of traffic police corruption. Waiguru heist is well known. I am dissappointed he has not been charged yet...but the other guys have been, their assets seized and name.

We are moving forward...but NOT just to fast enough. And this I say is where Jubilee have completely failed. They have not done enough.

Uhuru has to seize this opportunity - so he can truly go down as one of our greatest PORK. Already with SGR - he is up there. If by 10yrs he would have pulled out Road Annuity,LAPSET, SGR, GALANA and KONZA city - he'll go down as one of the great - if he reign on corruption - he'll be the greatest.

This kind of statements make me very angry !!!
If I was face to face with someone making this kind of statement, I would rain makofi na mateke on them hapo hapo mara hio hio
anybody who is not a bloody idiot would know by now that Uhuru and his GOK have absolutely no option to reign in on corruption
because it (corruption), along with tribalisim and impunity are the main support pillars their leadership stands on. 
if any one of those pillars is removed...their leadership falls...so asking Uhuru to reign in on corruption is asking him to leave office.

Precisely. But when is the tipping point for a revolution against elites by the low classes? This is the only viable route for kenya to win war against graft. The leaders will never sort out mess, unless people take law with their own hands.
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Gumzo on August 31, 2016, 06:21:37 PM
Precisely. But when is the tipping point for a revolution against elites by the low classes? This is the only viable route for kenya to win war against graft. The leaders will never sort out mess, unless people take law with their own hands.

Thats where the pillar of tribalisim comes in and works like a charm. i.e the entire populace is as  divided (along tribal lines) as the corrupt leadership would wish them to be
e.g the tyranny of numbers (TON) tribes = Kiuk/Kale would fight viciously against any revolt because its currently their time to eat. Other then that there is what can only be described
as the stupidity of the masses i.e the vast majority of the populace  (lower classes) are too stupid to be angered by the prevailing state of corruption to get to any tipping point.
plus the now deeply ingrained general societal moral decay that makes the corruption/misrule  OK and acceptable 

 
Title: Re: EAAC chair Kinisu also "corrupt" - seem we cannot find a clean kenyan
Post by: Empedocles on August 31, 2016, 11:00:37 PM
There's one thing about our so-called leaders which always makes me realize what wananichi are up against:

Our leaders, even when they're on bitterly opposing sides, will never ever rat each out.

A small example: RAO, that pillar of democracy and accountability, places his own blood brother in the hornets nest (i.e. the finance ministry) during the GCG. Said brother notices absolutely nothing during his 5 year tenure. No rumors, no innuendos, zilch. Oburu's mouth is sealed as tight as Waiguru's mouth, along with all the other ODM ministers, etc.

Nothing.