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Title: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Githunguri on December 26, 2022, 07:21:47 PM
He has been defeated.Let him choose his poison.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 26, 2022, 09:18:10 PM
That will make their defeat complete...because NATO will enter the conflict directly.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 12:04:01 AM

Elaborate what you mean by defeat ?

He has been defeated.Let him choose his poison.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 12:08:20 AM

NATO will be stupid to escalate a Nuclear war , No onr will win a Nuclear War . Its an area no one wants it to happen because a mistake after mistake will be the end of the world.
A single use of Nuclear weapons will change the world drastically , It will the end of conventional wars .
Having said that use of Nuclear weapon in Ukraine will also affect Russia as this is thw same vicinity.

That will make their defeat complete...because NATO will enter the conflict directly.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Georgesoros on December 27, 2022, 12:31:36 AM
Army wont allow it. theyll eliminate him.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 08:41:26 AM
Last I read it was the army generals asking for it. Produce the article saying Army wont allow it .

Army wont allow it. theyll eliminate him.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Githunguri on December 27, 2022, 09:01:46 AM
Army wont allow it. theyll eliminate him.

precisely.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Githunguri on December 27, 2022, 09:09:04 AM
Putin can't win...His days are numbered.

Ukraine have a real time satellite feed from majority NATO countries,
A smartphone with a wireless internet for communication,
A precision guided missile rocket launcher and drone,
Spies in Russian Army based on recent defeats. Those billions of dollars Biden is committing i believe are heading to pockets of Russian Soldiers.
I love Putin but i highly believe he lives in a bunker and gets very scared while flying because anytime he can meet with a drone.

His only option is nuclear, he is finished.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: patel on December 27, 2022, 09:18:02 AM
Ukraine is winning bla bla but how? Who wins a war with borrowed army, borrowed equipments  everything borrowed? Putin should escalate. Russian generals are determined to wreck Ukraine if they cannot bring them to submission. Hive half of ukraine the rest turn it to somalia...while at it hit the nuclear power plant and sit back. Poor Ukrainians. They will suffer. Only mistake electing a comedian/welfare queen/strip club bouncer.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 10:17:33 AM

Results of many years being brainwashed by the western media…..

Putin can't win...His days are numbered.

Ukraine have a real time satellite feed from majority NATO countries,
A smartphone with a wireless internet for communication,
A precision guided missile rocket launcher and drone,
Spies in Russian Army based on recent defeats. Those billions of dollars Biden is committing i believe are heading to pockets of Russian Soldiers.
I love Putin but i highly believe he lives in a bunker and gets very scared while flying because anytime he can meet with a drone.

His only option is nuclear, he is finished.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 10:20:17 AM

As per Western media Ukraine has been winning since February while still in Dec 1/4 of it is occupied . Even with HIMARS and ARMS they can push forward in Bakhmut .
But hey thats the western media for you NATO was winning in Afghanistan since 2001 only to realise last year all the arms they had given were under Taliban.


Ukraine is winning bla bla but how? Who wins a war with borrowed army, borrowed equipments  everything borrowed? Putin should escalate. Russian generals are determined to wreck Ukraine if they cannot bring them to submission. Hive half of ukraine the rest turn it to somalia...while at it hit the nuclear power plant and sit back. Poor Ukrainians. They will suffer. Only mistake electing a comedian/welfare queen/strip club bouncer.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 27, 2022, 10:22:14 AM
You really believe western mostly independent media can all agree to conspire against Russia and the truth?
That is crazy - western media is progressive because there is no gov control.
Russia is done.
They were done when they failed to take over Kiev.
The rest are the motions.

From KIEV has been a retreat - after retreat - after fallback - and frankly it embarrasing for Russia.

You got to admire the courage and motivation of Ukrainians.
I personally didnt give them much of a chance because odds were stacked against them facing Russia.

Their bravery, motivation and fighting efficiency has convinced western countries to pour money and weapons.

And they havent disappointed - sending Russia scampering from KIEV to losing Kherson - and now Russia dont even control the whole of Donbas and all those areas they declared part of Russia.

Putin has failed. Russia has failed.

Results of many years being brainwashed by the western media…..
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: patel on December 27, 2022, 11:40:19 AM
Putin only fielded 300k men's vs Ukraine 1 million men..thats a ratio of 3 to 1. Clear goals denazification and demilitarization of ukraine..all nazi battalions have been wiped out. 1/2 of ukraine so called military trained to Nato standards killed or maimed. Putin should never take Kiev he will get bogged down on street battles. Just make the place unlivable slowly by slowly till Ukrainian kick comedian out. And push more millions refugees to European capital. In the meantime enjoy high energy prices since Russia has threatened to cut down oil production by 10% while cheering comedian.
You really believe western mostly independent media can all agree to conspire against Russia and the truth?
That is crazy - western media is progressive because there is no gov control.
Russia is done.
They were done when they failed to take over Kiev.
The rest are the motions.

From KIEV has been a retreat - after retreat - after fallback - and frankly it embarrasing for Russia.

You got to admire the courage and motivation of Ukrainians.
I personally didnt give them much of a chance because odds were stacked against them facing Russia.

Their bravery, motivation and fighting efficiency has convinced western countries to pour money and weapons.

And they havent disappointed - sending Russia scampering from KIEV to losing Kherson - and now Russia dont even control the whole of Donbas and all those areas they declared part of Russia.

Putin has failed. Russia has failed.

Results of many years being brainwashed by the western media…..
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: patel on December 27, 2022, 11:42:18 AM
This war has exposed all western media..its all fake media full of made up news.

As per Western media Ukraine has been winning since February while still in Dec 1/4 of it is occupied . Even with HIMARS and ARMS they can push forward in Bakhmut .
But hey thats the western media for you NATO was winning in Afghanistan since 2001 only to realise last year all the arms they had given were under Taliban.


Ukraine is winning bla bla but how? Who wins a war with borrowed army, borrowed equipments  everything borrowed? Putin should escalate. Russian generals are determined to wreck Ukraine if they cannot bring them to submission. Hive half of ukraine the rest turn it to somalia...while at it hit the nuclear power plant and sit back. Poor Ukrainians. They will suffer. Only mistake electing a comedian/welfare queen/strip club bouncer.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 12:48:27 PM
So if the Weatern media is that independent without Governmenr control why did they Uniliterally kick out RT news.
All Western media is Govet controlled , there are ways they controll them. CNN , BBC ,DW, Reuteurs  all follow government policy.
Same with Youtube, twitter facebook and instagram . State Department briefs them what to do and what not to do .
As for the war itself its too soon to discuss merits ans demerits .
Some say it was a miscalculated move trying to capture Kiev some like you opine he should have captured Kiev.
As a person who has gone to war classes and know the drive by Red army to Warsaw and it effects 20 years later . I will tell you we are in for a long drive if Putin doesnt decide to usw Nuclear weapons . Eventually parts which were part of Russian Empire will revert back and parts which were Poland Liuthania  / Austo Hungarian Empire will become Modern Ukraine if Poland doesnt want to reclaim them back. Be it a World War 3 or Not.

You really believe western mostly independent media can all agree to conspire against Russia and the truth?
That is crazy - western media is progressive because there is no gov control.
Russia is done.
They were done when they failed to take over Kiev.
The rest are the motions.

From KIEV has been a retreat - after retreat - after fallback - and frankly it embarrasing for Russia.

You got to admire the courage and motivation of Ukrainians.
I personally didnt give them much of a chance because odds were stacked against them facing Russia.

Their bravery, motivation and fighting efficiency has convinced western countries to pour money and weapons.

And they havent disappointed - sending Russia scampering from KIEV to losing Kherson - and now Russia dont even control the whole of Donbas and all those areas they declared part of Russia.

Putin has failed. Russia has failed.

Results of many years being brainwashed by the western media…..
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 12:50:44 PM

just ask RV pundit and his friend Jaduong Githunguri what were the reports from Western Media about Afghanistan War ? There you have your answer

This war has exposed all western media..its all fake media full of made up news.

As per Western media Ukraine has been winning since February while still in Dec 1/4 of it is occupied . Even with HIMARS and ARMS they can push forward in Bakhmut .
But hey thats the western media for you NATO was winning in Afghanistan since 2001 only to realise last year all the arms they had given were under Taliban.


Ukraine is winning bla bla but how? Who wins a war with borrowed army, borrowed equipments  everything borrowed? Putin should escalate. Russian generals are determined to wreck Ukraine if they cannot bring them to submission. Hive half of ukraine the rest turn it to somalia...while at it hit the nuclear power plant and sit back. Poor Ukrainians. They will suffer. Only mistake electing a comedian/welfare queen/strip club bouncer.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Githunguri on December 27, 2022, 02:14:59 PM
Since Russia invaded Ukraine, How much of their territory have they occupied?

10% 20% 30%?
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 27, 2022, 02:27:02 PM
Politician lied; not western media; and what exactly is western media; Russia hidding has been reported worlwide.

These are facts
1) Ukraine forces kicked Russia from Kiev airport and it's fringes - and got them running from the North with thousands of tanks on cheap chinese tires unable to fight back.
2) Ukraine forces followed them and kicked them out of east and south of Ukraine
3) Ukraine forces kicked out Russia from Kherson - the only major city - they had won.
4) Ukraine forces are now battling Russia essentially in Russia newlands - Donbash is half occuppied by Ukraine - Russia annexed the whole of it.
5) The battle now in Bakhmut is in Russian according to Russian and Ukraine according to Ukraine.
6) Outside Crimea that Russia took without much of fight- Russia is facing Afgan like resistant from Ukrainians - making their campaign dead on arrival.

As we speak Russia is back to 2014 - in the trenches their sponsored separatist rebels dug.

Their war objective seem almost shattered. First they wanted to remove Comedian for being Neo-Nazi. Now look like Putin will be removed.

just ask RV pundit and his friend Jaduong Githunguri what were the reports from Western Media about Afghanistan War ? There you have your answer
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Georgesoros on December 27, 2022, 03:36:14 PM
Politician lied; not western media; and what exactly is western media; Russia hidding has been reported worlwide.

These are facts
1) Ukraine forces kicked Russia from Kiev airport and it's fringes - and got them running from the North with thousands of tanks on cheap chinese tires unable to fight back.
2) Ukraine forces followed them and kicked them out of east and south of Ukraine
3) Ukraine forces kicked out Russia from Kherson - the only major city - they had won.
4) Ukraine forces are now battling Russia essentially in Russia newlands - Donbash is half occuppied by Ukraine - Russia annexed the world of it.
5) The battle now in Bakhmut is in Russian according to Russian and Ukraine according to Ukraine.
6) Outside Crimea that Russia took without much of fight- Russia is facing Afgan like resistant from Ukrainians - making their campaign dead on arrival.

As we speak Russia is back to 2014 - in the drenches their sponsored separatist rebels dug.

Their war objective seem almost shattered. First they wanted to remove Comedian for being Neo-Nazi. Now look like Putin will be removed.

just ask RV pundit and his friend Jaduong Githunguri what were the reports from Western Media about Afghanistan War ? There you have your answer

The West (Using treaties) restricted Ukraine from having the weapons it needs. Things have changed.
Morons like Noway are like Trump. They create fake naratives and pass it as truth.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 27, 2022, 05:01:32 PM
Agreed.
What seem to have made difference is their motivation and discipline.
I hear from 2014 they started getting NATO training
While Russian forces we hear show up mostly drunk.
And most importantly the military is based on strict command from Moscow or Putin - while Ukraine command have more autonomy to made decision on battle field.
For Russia - all they get is fight, pull back, fight , pull back - they cant decide nothing.

That can only explain how Ukraine forces initially with very little weapons beat the Russians.

Now they've proven themselves and weapons will be coming.


The West (Using treaties) restricted Ukraine from having the weapons it needs. Things have changed.
Morons like Noway are like Trump. They create fake naratives and pass it as truth.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Kadudu on December 27, 2022, 06:17:15 PM
Facts never lie. Chances of Putin surviving this war are much less than Selenky's. Putin has to win in order to stay alive or run to North Korea in exile.
Hi
Politician lied; not western media; and what exactly is western media; Russia hidding has been reported worlwide.

These are facts
1) Ukraine forces kicked Russia from Kiev airport and it's fringes - and got them running from the North with thousands of tanks on cheap chinese tires unable to fight back.
2) Ukraine forces followed them and kicked them out of east and south of Ukraine
3) Ukraine forces kicked out Russia from Kherson - the only major city - they had won.
4) Ukraine forces are now battling Russia essentially in Russia newlands - Donbash is half occuppied by Ukraine - Russia annexed the whole of it.
5) The battle now in Bakhmut is in Russian according to Russian and Ukraine according to Ukraine.
6) Outside Crimea that Russia took without much of fight- Russia is facing Afgan like resistant from Ukrainians - making their campaign dead on arrival.

As we speak Russia is back to 2014 - in the trenches their sponsored separatist rebels dug.

Their war objective seem almost shattered. First they wanted to remove Comedian for being Neo-Nazi. Now look like Putin will be removed.

just ask RV pundit and his friend Jaduong Githunguri what were the reports from Western Media about Afghanistan War ? There you have your answer
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 07:23:19 PM

You are just echoing Western media narrative.
Point No 1 . Fact Russia captured Antonov Airport in Kyiv Oblast . Ukrainian forces never Kicked out Russia . The airport became damaged and couldnt be used anymore.
Point No 2 .Russia occupies vast Majority of South Eastern as we speak. Yet to be kicked out . Another fact it wont happen .
Point No 3 . Xerson city is not the only major city Russia occupies . Xerson city was just the headquarters of Xerson Western media continues to lie its the only City Russia occupied.
Point 4 . Donbass (Donetsk and lugansk) have been occupied by separists since 2014 . They are not Russian newlands
Point 5 . Google what Wagner is doing in Bakhmut . Even Ukrainians acknowledge its beyond them .
Point 6 . In Kyiv it was an insurgent like Afghan . In South Eastern its a battle like the Worldwars hence the reason Ukraine requested HIMARS and AIRMS . 
Bottom line you are parroting what Western media is saying. Putin will be there when all other Western leaders are gone including Zelensky. Where is UK Pm, where is Italian PM where is Sweden PM ?

Politician lied; not western media; and what exactly is western media; Russia hidding has been reported worlwide.

These are facts
1) Ukraine forces kicked Russia from Kiev airport and it's fringes - and got them running from the North with thousands of tanks on cheap chinese tires unable to fight back.
2) Ukraine forces followed them and kicked them out of east and south of Ukraine
3) Ukraine forces kicked out Russia from Kherson - the only major city - they had won.
4) Ukraine forces are now battling Russia essentially in Russia newlands - Donbash is half occuppied by Ukraine - Russia annexed the whole of it.
5) The battle now in Bakhmut is in Russian according to Russian and Ukraine according to Ukraine.
6) Outside Crimea that Russia took without much of fight- Russia is facing Afgan like resistant from Ukrainians - making their campaign dead on arrival.

As we speak Russia is back to 2014 - in the trenches their sponsored separatist rebels dug.

Their war objective seem almost shattered. First they wanted to remove Comedian for being Neo-Nazi. Now look like Putin will be removed.

just ask RV pundit and his friend Jaduong Githunguri what were the reports from Western Media about Afghanistan War ? There you have your answer
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 07:26:27 PM


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These are facts
1) Ukraine forces kicked Russia from Kiev airport

On 24 February 2022, a few hours after President of Russia Vladimir Putin announced the beginning of a "special military operation" in Ukraine, Russian troops of the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV) made an air assault on Antonov Airport with the objective of capturing it. The airport held strategic value as it was located less than 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) outside of the capital Kyiv, which would allow Russian troops to airlift more troops and heavier equipment to directly threaten the city.[6] However, the Ukrainian military responded with a counter-attack which encircled the unsupported Russian forces and repelled the initial assault.[14] The attack resumed on the next day with another air assault by the VDV combined with a ground assault by armored reinforcements coming from the Belarusian border, breaking through the Ukrainian defenses. The airport was then captured by the Russian forces


On 25 February 2022, Russian mechanized ground forces advancing from Belarus combined with another air assault by the VDV, took control of the airport after partially breaking through Ukrainian defenses at the Battle of Ivankiv.[21][31] Some of the armored vehicles were ambushed before reaching Hostomel, halting the reinforcements for a time, but nonetheless they entered the airport and helped to expel the Ukrainian defenders.[10] According to the Russian Ministry of Defence,[32] the capture came following an operation that involved some 200 helicopters. The figure of about 200 Ukrainian casualties and no casualties on the Russian side was announced.[11] This claim was met with skepticism, with Timur Olevsky, a journalist who witnessed the battle, outright refuting this claim.[6][21] Nevertheless, Russian ground forces established a foothold in Hostomel and began to man checkpoints inside the town. It was speculated that the Ukrainian defenders may have sabotaged the runway ahead of the advancing Russian ground forces.[6]

The Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs initially denied that the airport had been fully captured by the Russian forces, stating that it had been "changing hands" and that the battle was ongoing. The Ministry of Internal Affairs also insisted that the Russian claim of the massive Ukrainian casualties was "an absolute lie",[33] while the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence declared that the airfield was too badly damaged to be used by Russian troops.[15] Later in the day, Ukraine confirmed that Russian forces were in control of the airport.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 27, 2022, 07:38:20 PM
Russia took control of hostomel airport through commandos and had Kiev sorrounded..they send million scampering.. whatever after that was totally unexpected..the comedian and his army quickly mobilized a defense and destroyed the airport... destroying Russian plan to fly in troops... Russian now had to realie on tanks on cheap Chinese tires..and they pulled back fearing getting cutoff ...That was end of war.The rest are details. The war ended in 72 hours in Kiev.Putin was to have lunch and install a puppet in Kiev.The comedian has ended the year a hero...man if the year..
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 07:39:46 PM




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Ukraine forces followed them and kicked them out of east and south of Ukraine

Current State Department map showing which areas in South East Ukraine Russia occupies . You say Russia has been kicked out


(https://share.america.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2638-Ukraine-08-01-2022-simple-3.png)
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 27, 2022, 07:42:35 PM




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Ukraine forces followed them and kicked them out of east and south of Ukraine

Current State Department map showing which areas in South East Ukraine Russia occupies . You say Russia has been kicked out


(https://share.america.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2638-Ukraine-08-01-2022-simple-3.png)
This war ended long time ago.That is when I switched from betting on Putin to the comedian.The Rubicon river was Kiev.These little nonsense going on border region are waste of time, resources, artillery and our bandwidth.Putin lost the battle of Kiev.Comedian convinced NATO and world he was not just a comedian but extremely brave warrior..Putin is now a joke..a practical joke
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 07:43:19 PM
Good now you acknowledge your mistaken claim that Russia was kicked out . You are good at reading , after reading you confirm what I had corrected you that it Russia still occupied the Airport only that it couldnt be used .
You so called “facts “ are not Real Facts .

Russia took control of hostomel airport through commandos and had Kiev sorrounded..they send million scampering.. whatever after that was totally unexpected..the comedian and his army quickly mobilized a defense and destroyed the airport... destroying Russian plan to fly in troops... Russian now had to really tanks on cheap Chinese tires..and they pulled back...That was end of war.The rest are details.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 27, 2022, 07:46:10 PM
Good now you acknowledge your mistaken claim that Russia was kicked out . You are good at reading , after reading you confirm what I had corrected you that it Russia still occupied the Airport only that it couldnt be used .
You so called “facts “ are not Real Facts .

Russia took control of hostomel airport through commandos and had Kiev sorrounded..they send million scampering.. whatever after that was totally unexpected..the comedian and his army quickly mobilized a defense and destroyed the airport... destroying Russian plan to fly in troops... Russian now had to really tanks on cheap Chinese tires..and they pulled back...That was end of war.The rest are details.
I am not invested in this war.. I supported Russia because I thought Ukraine had courted disaster poking Putin superpower arse..I honestly expected Russia to make a mince meat of Kiev..I didn't expect Russia to send drunken soldiers with rusted weaponry on cheap Chinese tires...who expected zero resistance from Ukraine..like in Crimea
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 07:49:35 PM
Statedep have just debunked another of your “fact “. Russia is still in South East Ukraine this a the real fact….






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Ukraine forces followed them and kicked them out of east and south of Ukraine

Current State Department map showing which areas in South East Ukraine Russia occupies . You say Russia has been kicked out


(https://share.america.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2638-Ukraine-08-01-2022-simple-3.png)
This war ended long time ago.That is when I switched from betting on Putin to the comedian.The Rubicon river was Kiev.These little nonsense going on border region are waste of time, resources, artillery and our bandwidth.Putin lost the battle of Kiev.Comedian convinced NATO and world he was not just a comedian but extremely brave warrior..Putin is now a joke..a practical joke
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 07:55:35 PM
Could have continued debunking your “facts” on point 3,4,5,6 but good you say you are not invested meaning you are not closely following so the facts you alluding to and Kadudu is praising are your “ own manufactured facts”
I rest my case.

Good now you acknowledge your mistaken claim that Russia was kicked out . You are good at reading , after reading you confirm what I had corrected you that it Russia still occupied the Airport only that it couldnt be used .
You so called “facts “ are not Real Facts .

Russia took control of hostomel airport through commandos and had Kiev sorrounded..they send million scampering.. whatever after that was totally unexpected..the comedian and his army quickly mobilized a defense and destroyed the airport... destroying Russian plan to fly in troops... Russian now had to really tanks on cheap Chinese tires..and they pulled back...That was end of war.The rest are details.
I am not invested in this war.. I supported Russia because I thought Ukraine had courted disaster poking Putin superpower arse..I honestly expected Russia to make a mince meat of Kiev..I didn't expect Russia to send drunken soldiers with rusted weaponry on cheap Chinese tires...who expected zero resistance from Ukraine..like in Crimea
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Georgesoros on December 27, 2022, 09:19:52 PM
Good now you acknowledge your mistaken claim that Russia was kicked out . You are good at reading , after reading you confirm what I had corrected you that it Russia still occupied the Airport only that it couldnt be used .
You so called “facts “ are not Real Facts .

Russia took control of hostomel airport through commandos and had Kiev sorrounded..they send million scampering.. whatever after that was totally unexpected..the comedian and his army quickly mobilized a defense and destroyed the airport... destroying Russian plan to fly in troops... Russian now had to really tanks on cheap Chinese tires..and they pulled back...That was end of war.The rest are details.
I am not invested in this war.. I supported Russia because I thought Ukraine had courted disaster poking Putin superpower arse..I honestly expected Russia to make a mince meat of Kiev..I didn't expect Russia to send drunken soldiers with rusted weaponry on cheap Chinese tires...who expected zero resistance from Ukraine..like in Crimea

Biden offered Zelensky asylum. To which Zelensky replied "the war is over here, not there". BEST EVER!!!
Ukrainians have forught for democracy for 30yrs and Russia even sabotaged equipment in Czech where Ukraine (since 2013) was making its artillery.
You cant win against a determined people - Ask USA in Vietnam. Russians don't even see reason they are fighting in UK.
In Crimea, Western Nations told Ukraine not to bother. Then Putin got emboldened.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 27, 2022, 09:26:29 PM

when I see how western media has influenced people thinking I now see how Joseph Goebbels was important in Hitlers Government. You cam brainwash people to start parroting what you want .

Good now you acknowledge your mistaken claim that Russia was kicked out . You are good at reading , after reading you confirm what I had corrected you that it Russia still occupied the Airport only that it couldnt be used .
You so called “facts “ are not Real Facts .

Russia took control of hostomel airport through commandos and had Kiev sorrounded..they send million scampering.. whatever after that was totally unexpected..the comedian and his army quickly mobilized a defense and destroyed the airport... destroying Russian plan to fly in troops... Russian now had to really tanks on cheap Chinese tires..and they pulled back...That was end of war.The rest are details.
I am not invested in this war.. I supported Russia because I thought Ukraine had courted disaster poking Putin superpower arse..I honestly expected Russia to make a mince meat of Kiev..I didn't expect Russia to send drunken soldiers with rusted weaponry on cheap Chinese tires...who expected zero resistance from Ukraine..like in Crimea

Biden offered Zelensky asylum. To which Zelensky replied "the war is over here, not there". BEST EVER!!!
Ukrainians have forught for democracy for 30yrs and Russia even sabotaged equipment in Czech where Ukraine (since 2013) was making its artillery.
You cant win against a determined people - Ask USA in Vietnam. Russians don't even see reason they are fighting in UK.
In Crimea, Western Nations told Ukraine not to bother. Then Putin got emboldened.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Kadudu on December 28, 2022, 01:57:07 AM
You bore with your Western media issues. I for example only watch VOK and read Taifa Leo. The information I get there is Russia is loosing the battle.
Btw, you have never informed us which media you use as your source.



when I see how western media has influenced people thinking I now see how Joseph Goebbels was important in Hitlers Government. You cam brainwash people to start parroting what you want .
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: patel on December 28, 2022, 02:22:37 AM
How are things in Europe. Germany in particular? Have they started televising demo of high energy and food prices?

You bore with your Western media issues. I for example only watch VOK and read Taifa Leo. The information I get there is Russia is loosing the battle.
Btw, you have never informed us which media you use as your source.



when I see how western media has influenced people thinking I now see how Joseph Goebbels was important in Hitlers Government. You cam brainwash people to start parroting what you want .
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 28, 2022, 06:29:45 AM
He has been defeated.Let him choose his poison.

Biden said there lies Armageddon.  In a nutshell, it will not go unanswered.  Putin is smart enough to understand that.  Russia is in a bad place.  There is no path to military success on the ground.  It will only get worse.  They will continue to hurt Ukraine with terror attacks until Ukraine stops them.  I am afraid if it requires a buffer inside Russia for that to end, the comedian in Kyiv will go there, if Americans don't hold him back.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 28, 2022, 08:11:16 AM

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.

He has been defeated.Let him choose his poison.

Biden said there lies Armageddon.  In a nutshell, it will not go unanswered.  Putin is smart enough to understand that.  Russia is in a bad place.  There is no path to military success on the ground.  It will only get worse.  They will continue to hurt Ukraine with terror attacks until Ukraine stops them.  I am afraid if it requires a buffer inside Russia for that to end, the comedian in Kyiv will go there, if Americans don't hold him back.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 28, 2022, 08:29:39 AM
You bore with your Western media issues. I for example only watch VOK and read Taifa Leo. The information I get there is Russia is loosing the battle.
Btw, you have never informed us which media you use as your source.



when I see how western media has influenced people thinking I now see how Joseph Goebbels was important in Hitlers Government. You cam brainwash people to start parroting what you want .

My bet is on iearlgrey, Alexander Mercouris, Alex Christoforou et al.  They are purveyors of the same misguided tropes but more coherent and informed.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 28, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 28, 2022, 11:44:47 AM

https://www.rt.com/russia/569032-russia-cyberweapons-ukraine-nato/

In September, the Washington Post revealed that the US had developed a network of fake social media accounts to conduct psychological and information warfare and spread pro-Western narratives. It allegedly deployed hundreds of accounts over the past five years, to advance “anti-Russia narratives.”
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 28, 2022, 12:02:25 PM

Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.


You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 28, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.


Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.


You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 28, 2022, 02:45:08 PM

You are the one who was sayinv Putin will be overthrown I just pointed out he will be there whole current western leaders become civilians ask Merkel and Sarkhozy who thought they were very powerful some years ago.  Ask Boris Johnson and Obama who thought they could subdue Putin . Where are they now and where is Putin.
As we speak Croatia President and Hungary PM both Eu and NATO members are pinpointing the West is doing a mistake.

Your knowledge on Geopolitics is wanting stick to Sakaja and Kalenjin politics. History has proven its next to impossible to Isolate Russia such a large country with vast resources.

You need to study why China is Pro Russia , what is happening in Taiwan and the economic war waged on them by U.S.  Find out why India is getting cheap oil from Russia.
Where as Europeans can take the effects of economic sactions Asian ,African and South America  countries cant . Thats where Russias new money is if the trade trend continues in the next 10 years EU and US will lose the soft power over Asia, Africa and South America . Thats how regimes diminish go bsvk to your history.

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.


Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.


You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 28, 2022, 03:08:51 PM
Obama is happy after serving 10yrs.
Putin is unhappy after serving 30yrs.
That difference btw Russia and USA.
On is a democracy - the other is run by Putin and his whims.
That is why USA of A - always win.

Russia is in the ropes in Ukraine.

Next is to strangle it.
Chinese sanctions can be eased if they stop trading with Russia.

India is a joke - just a phone call by Biden will stop them.

Next year they will go for India - first - and that will leave only China trading with Russia.


You are the one who was sayinv Putin will be overthrown I just pointed out he will be there whole current western leaders become civilians ask Merkel and Sarkhozy who thought they were very powerful some years ago.  Ask Boris Johnson and Obama who thought they could subdue Putin . Where are they now and where is Putin.
As we speak Croatia President and Hungary PM both Eu and NATO members are pinpointing the West is doing a mistake.

Your knowledge on Geopolitics is wanting stick to Sakaja and Kalenjin politics. History has proven its next to impossible to Isolate Russia such a large country with vast resources.

You need to study why China is Pro Russia , what is happening in Taiwan and the economic war waged on them by U.S.  Find out why India is getting cheap oil from Russia.
Where as Europeans can take the effects of economic sactions Asian ,African and South America  countries cant . Thats where Russias new money is if the trade trend continues in the next 10 years EU and US will lose the soft power over Asia, Africa and South America . Thats how regimes diminish go bsvk to your history.

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.


Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.


You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: patel on December 28, 2022, 03:32:23 PM
I endorse this message. The only honest voice in this war has been colonel Douglas McGregor.

You are the one who was sayinv Putin will be overthrown I just pointed out he will be there whole current western leaders become civilians ask Merkel and Sarkhozy who thought they were very powerful some years ago.  Ask Boris Johnson and Obama who thought they could subdue Putin . Where are they now and where is Putin.
As we speak Croatia President and Hungary PM both Eu and NATO members are pinpointing the West is doing a mistake.

Your knowledge on Geopolitics is wanting stick to Sakaja and Kalenjin politics. History has proven its next to impossible to Isolate Russia such a large country with vast resources.

You need to study why China is Pro Russia , what is happening in Taiwan and the economic war waged on them by U.S.  Find out why India is getting cheap oil from Russia.
Where as Europeans can take the effects of economic sactions Asian ,African and South America  countries cant . Thats where Russias new money is if the trade trend continues in the next 10 years EU and US will lose the soft power over Asia, Africa and South America . Thats how regimes diminish go bsvk to your history.

Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.


Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.


You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 28, 2022, 07:15:10 PM
Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.


Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.


You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.
And Ukraine is happy(and has no choice) but to be their tool.  The Western initial belief of how this war would turn out was based partly on the notion that it would go the way of other conflicts in Russia's orbit like Georgia; where the enemy was basically a mirror image of the Russian military but scaled down.  But it turns out Ukraine's military had fundamentally changed from its previous engagements with NATO.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 28, 2022, 08:07:01 PM

Western media  propaganda.  When I say Putin is a moderate I mean it , Medvedev was the President during Georgian crisis. Unlike Putin Medvedev has Precision.
Putin biggest mistake was not taking advantage of Yankuvich request in 2014 for military assistance to stop Maidan Nonsense .
It took the whole of  NATO in 2022 to fight Russia thus exposing the under belly of NATO.



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nd Ukraine is happy(and has no choice) but to be their tool.  The Western initial belief of how this war would turn out was based partly on the notion that it would go the way of other conflicts in Russia's orbit like Georgia; where the enemy was basically a mirror image of the Russian military but scaled down.  But it turns out Ukraine's military had fundamentally changed from its previous engagements with NATO
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 28, 2022, 08:49:04 PM
Dont think Western Countries changing leaders is news.
It's frankly waste of time and energy.
Those are modern democracies that can change 10 leaders in a month and still every new leader will fight Russia.
Even the most far right of American or UK or Germany - knows Putin is tinpot dictator who is finally on the rope.
And they will fight him because finally Russia has been exposed to be weak.

The basic - almost all western democracies find Russia and Putin an african like dictatorship that is disgusting.
Because it was powerful - Trump and type thought they would accommodate RUssia.
But now it's been exposed as very weak by Ukraine. Now every western leader want a piece of Putin.

Once western countries are this united -   Russia will be isolated.
China and India are next to be asked tough question.
And they will crumble.

Russia big mistake remaining running away from KIEV. It huge blunder.


Well U.S.  secretary of Defence has already said how impressive Russian weapons are , Russia already deployed Hypersonic weapons in Ukrainian conflict . No country has any defensive weapons against Hypersonic weapons .Russia is located in a strategic place few kilometers to Europe and few Kilometers to America.
Some opine upon use of Nuclear weapon NATO should escalate the situation and join the fray the more realistic and sober ones opine to prevent a full blown Nuclear war NATO should negotiate with Russia.
I tell you for free it will be the end of Convetional War . Full stop.

Continue dreaming Russian Military will overthrow Putin . Putin is the more moderate politician they have the Military leaders are hardliners most of them are even in Ukraine fighting. I repeat again most Western leaders will be out of power before Putin , Happened with U.K PM , Italy PM Sweden PM. by 2024 2/3rds of the leaders will be civilians ans Putin will still be the Russian leaders.

U.S. is already on Chinas case why would China want to join their sanction regime when they are next . India has immensly gained with Cheap Russian oil why would they want to join the fray.
Yours is just wishful thinking. E.U. itself cannot even agree 100% on Russian sanctions and here you cheating yourself and us.


You were threatening Nuclear some months ago - what happened.
In fact the way Russia is behaving - their nuclear might be all rusted and ineffective.
If they dare throw one - USA and it allies will enter the fray - and destroy Russia in a week.

Before we get there - Russia military will simply overthrow Putin. He has failed.

For now - all US & EU need to finish Russia - is demand China and India stop trading with Russia - or they will be blocked from trading with US and EU. They have to choose Russia or US/EU - and you know they will drop Russia.

Russia will be left isolated and will have to negotiate their way back to Russia - then pay a huge bill to repair Ukraine.

Failure is an orphan and Russia is about to find out how isolated it can become.

And when he talked of Armegedon his operatives in state department told him not talk that language .
It would be dumb to escalate the war to an Armagedon as it will be the end of everyone .
As we speak Its Russia in Ukraine and they have their demands , Zelenski  has decided to negotiate in Feb because just like you guys he thinks he will advance where as the contrary will happen. They have been given all weapons from Western Countries stockpile until it depleted now but still no tangible results . Do you know what these means ? But hey continue consuming western media news , good for you. One small mistake and a real Armagedon will happen.
And Ukraine is happy(and has no choice) but to be their tool.  The Western initial belief of how this war would turn out was based partly on the notion that it would go the way of other conflicts in Russia's orbit like Georgia; where the enemy was basically a mirror image of the Russian military but scaled down.  But it turns out Ukraine's military had fundamentally changed from its previous engagements with NATO.

Yes Ukrainian post 2014 changed... Russia expected they would roll over drunk like kite's if not hangoved..take Kiev.Ukraine has shown incredible courage and NATO led by USA are more than happy.They are not afraid of Russia..why would anyone else be.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: RV Pundit on December 28, 2022, 08:51:26 PM
Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: audacityofhope on December 29, 2022, 01:02:13 PM
Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.
You left out probably an equal important if not the most important point. Western nations like these adventures. They get to TEST their weapons on a real battlefield. In this case they couldn't have been luckier. They are testing them on the supposedly 2nd most strongest foe - Russia. The result couldn't have emboldened them more! China must be quaking in their boots seeing that weapons they have could crumble the same way the Russian arsenal has crumbled should the chinese ever find themselves at war with USA, NATO or any such combination. They might as well stop that noise about Taiwan - ni kelele za chura!.

Feel bad for the half Russian guy on this forum.  :)
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Nowayhaha on December 29, 2022, 01:25:16 PM
Most of those weapons if not all have fallen under Russian hands , I can confidently tell you Russia is already studying them and will better the weapons both defensively and offensively . Thats how hitler lost the war .
A good example is when Kalibir was built to counter Tomahawk .
One thing with Wars they always help to advance equipments and weapons . Hitler had the best aircrafts and tanks at beginning of World War 2 by the end of World war 2 Russia had the best aircrafts and tanks that it helped them become a super power . 

Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.
You left out probably an equal important if not the most important point. Western nations like these adventures. They get to TEST their weapons on a real battlefield. In this case they couldn't have been luckier. They are testing them on the supposedly 2nd most strongest foe - Russia. The result couldn't have emboldened them more! China must be quaking in their boots seeing that weapons they have could crumble the same way the Russian arsenal has crumbled should the chinese ever find themselves at war with USA, NATO or any such combination. They might as well stop that noise about Taiwan - ni kelele za chura!.

Feel bad for the half Russian guy on this forum.  :)
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: mankind on December 29, 2022, 06:29:00 PM
https://thedreizinreport.com/

  Nowayhaha you can't convince folks who have been brainwashed by western media to see reality. Let those who can read follow that link and tell us how Ukraine is winning.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 29, 2022, 08:29:37 PM
Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.

Yep.  The US military industrial complex has been relatively idle after pulling out the Middle East theaters.
Title: Re: Defeated Putin should go for nuclear option.
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 29, 2022, 08:30:46 PM
Ukraine is best investment for NATO.. because for little money and modest weapons..they are giving pain Putin and Russia forces...every win.. embolden them.This is another afgan disaster for Russia.
You left out probably an equal important if not the most important point. Western nations like these adventures. They get to TEST their weapons on a real battlefield. In this case they couldn't have been luckier. They are testing them on the supposedly 2nd most strongest foe - Russia. The result couldn't have emboldened them more! China must be quaking in their boots seeing that weapons they have could crumble the same way the Russian arsenal has crumbled should the chinese ever find themselves at war with USA, NATO or any such combination. They might as well stop that noise about Taiwan - ni kelele za chura!.

Feel bad for the half Russian guy on this forum.  :)

Ukraine has been using dialed back hand-me-downs to great effect.