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Title: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Kadudu on November 09, 2022, 12:29:35 PM
Very sad as lawlessness now starts taking shape in Kenya. Police stood by as a mob dissended on the house with no proper eviction order. Someone up there told the police not to act.

Btw, the directors of the company claiming the land "According to the Registrar of Companies, Lariak Properties Ltd is owned by Nathaniel Kipkemboi, Samuel Chepkwony, John Rotich, and Joel Kiplang’at." Their names tell it all. Those are just frontmen for the real owners. Next land will be transfered to another entity then sold to a Chinese developer for billions.

https://nation.africa/kenya/counties/nairobi/revealed-elaborate-plot-to-evict-city-family-and-grab-its-land-started-in-2015-4013516
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 09, 2022, 12:36:46 PM
I dont see where Kalenjin Mafia comes? They could be random thugs targetting expiring land leases; happening a lot in Nairobi; Ngara and westland.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: sema on November 09, 2022, 02:32:42 PM
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They could be random thugs targetting expiring land leases; happening a lot in Nairobi; Ngara and westland.

This banana republic country, but anyway, can you explain how this works and why it's happening? and what these expiring leases are?
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 09, 2022, 02:57:40 PM
Look like Shah may keep the property
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-11-09-cops-guard-home-of-evicted-westlands-family/
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 09, 2022, 02:59:38 PM
This happening a lot targetting foreigners - old asians or europeans - in nairobi and coast - leases expire after 50 or 90yrs - they know for example that Ngara leases are expiring - so they look for a way to make the current owners unable to renew their leases - then snap the land for free.

So those targetted have leasehold title - not freehold (perpetual)

This banana republic country, but anyway, can you explain how this works and why it's happening? and what these expiring leases are?
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Kadudu on November 09, 2022, 03:02:01 PM
The people behind are not random thugs. The police was instructed to look on as havoc reigned. Which random thugs have such power?

I dont see where Kalenjin Mafia comes? They could be random thugs targetting expiring land leases; happening a lot in Nairobi; Ngara and westland.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 09, 2022, 03:22:15 PM
Random powerful thugs - their tribe is not material - unless you mean ruto has something to do with this.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Githunguri on November 09, 2022, 04:18:05 PM
This happening a lot targetting foreigners - old asians or europeans - in nairobi and coast - leases expire after 50 or 90yrs - they know for example that Ngara leases are expiring - so they look for a way to make the current owners unable to renew their leases - then snap the land for free.

So those targetted have leasehold title - not freehold (perpetual)

This banana republic country, but anyway, can you explain how this works and why it's happening? and what these expiring leases are?

Which ways?
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: sema on November 09, 2022, 06:30:48 PM
Random powerful thugs - their tribe is not material - unless you mean ruto has something to do with this.

They're saying Sudi is involved and that's how they were able to get away with this, but why do the asians and europeans not have freehold?
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Georgesoros on November 09, 2022, 06:48:18 PM
Was there a court order??
Lets not go tribal on these stuff. Please.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: audacityofhope on November 09, 2022, 08:32:08 PM
Was there a court order??
Lets not go tribal on these stuff. Please.
Fake court order
Random powerful thugs - their tribe is not material - unless you mean ruto has something to do with this.
In this case the tribe is material
From the link posted:
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Documents in our possession show that trouble started for Mr Shah in 2015 ....  Mr Shah said that for three years starting in 2016, suspicious people kept coming to his gate to ask about the ownership of the land.
During Jubilee I and then after 2017 Jubilee II Uhuru was in charge, they would not have dared. But come 2022 it was all systems  go for the 4 kale directors. To them "This is now a Kalenjin govt".
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 09, 2022, 11:12:08 PM
Nonsense. Your fellow Bukusu is one in trouble. These conmen have been on it since 2015 - how does Ruto get involved here?
Baraza here is in big soup - because he demolished someone house with fake court order :)
Was there a court order??
Lets not go tribal on these stuff. Please.
Fake court order
Random powerful thugs - their tribe is not material - unless you mean ruto has something to do with this.
In this case the tribe is material
From the link posted:
Quote
Documents in our possession show that trouble started for Mr Shah in 2015 ....  Mr Shah said that for three years starting in 2016, suspicious people kept coming to his gate to ask about the ownership of the land.
During Jubilee I and then after 2017 Jubilee II Uhuru was in charge, they would not have dared. But come 2022 it was all systems  go for the 4 kale directors. To them "This is now a Kalenjin govt".
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Kadudu on November 09, 2022, 11:52:54 PM
This is just the fall guy. Who called off the police while the watched the goons demolish a house?

Nonsense. Your fellow Bukusu is one in trouble. These conmen have been on it since 2015 - how does Ruto get involved here?
Baraza here is in big soup - because he demolished someone house with fake court order :)
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 10, 2022, 12:54:03 AM
He is the stupid guy. Police are not Kalenjin. They belong to all tribes and can be bribed. These are conmen from all tribes. They have been at it. There is nothing indicating Moi 1990s land grab.

Now this guy need to tell DCI who gave him the fake court order - why he didnt certify - before demolish someone hse - and in meantime prepare to pay huge damages.

The kalenjin criminals will likely escape.

This is just the fall guy. Who called off the police while the watched the goons demolish a house?
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: KenyanPlato on November 10, 2022, 01:23:54 AM
this why I don't buy land in kenya. my dad lost a property worthy 12 million in similar fashion. still in court 15 years later
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: sema on November 10, 2022, 04:43:20 AM
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The kalenjin criminals will likely escape

Why will the Kalenjin criminals escape?
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Kadudu on November 10, 2022, 11:00:11 AM
Simply because they are runnning the country today.

Notice, even the DCI has not mentioned the people who sent the Bukusu auctioneer and all attention is on the naive auctioneer. He too will come out unscarthed since he cannot be charged in court without the evidence against him pointing at the men who sent him.

Most likely it is the last time we are hearing of this saga. I still recall Ruto claiming now Kenya is back "to the rule of the law". Just empty words.

Why will the Kalenjin criminals escape?
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 10, 2022, 11:16:40 AM
Fake court order. How can he go free. He was suppose to certify the court order before taking drastic action like demolition - of course he is connected to the conmen.

Not every of 7 million kalenjin know Ruto. The DCI is headed by a Somali and DPP a somali - and victim is Indian - I believe they will get justice. They already have come far. Now all they need is Baraza to pay them good money and they can build themselves bigger house if not apartment.

You tribal agenda has come unstucked. The kalenjin criminals have been at it since 2015 - and they are many such criminals of all tribes targetting asians and whites.

Simply because they are runnning the country today.

Notice, even the DCI has not mentioned the people who sent the Bukusu auctioneer and all attention is on the naive auctioneer. He too will come out unscarthed since he cannot be charged in court without the evidence against him pointing at the men who sent him.

Most likely it is the last time we are hearing of this saga. I still recall Ruto claiming now Kenya is back "to the rule of the law". Just empty words.

Why will the Kalenjin criminals escape?
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Kadudu on November 10, 2022, 11:42:51 AM
Not every Kalejin can call off the police when goons are busy demolishing a house in braod daylight. These are people "who matter" and please do not point at that Bukusu fellow.

Wake me up when any one person goes to jail on this matter. I promise to dante 10K Ksh to any charitable organisation you propose.

We can pick two witnesses on this forum.

Fake court order. How can he go free. He was suppose to certify the court order before taking drastic action like demolition - of course he is connected to the conmen.

Not every of 7 million kalenjin know Ruto. The DCI is headed by a Somali and DPP a somali - and victim is Indian - I believe they will get justice. They already have come far. Now all they need is Baraza to pay them good money and they can build themselves bigger house if not apartment.

You tribal agenda has come unstucked. The kalenjin criminals have been at it since 2015 - and they are many such criminals of all tribes targetting asians and whites.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 10, 2022, 11:51:06 AM
Send the money now. I can take a train to germany and pick it up. This Baraza guy is a thug - seem stolen enough to want to be governor of Bungoma. Those kalenjin names may just be fronts - he is the real thug.


Not every Kalejin can call off the police when goons are busy demolishing a house in braod daylight. These are people "who matter" and please do not point at that Bukusu fellow.

Wake me up when any one person goes to jail on this matter. I promise to dante 10K Ksh to any charitable organisation you propose.

We can pick two witnesses on this forum.

Fake court order. How can he go free. He was suppose to certify the court order before taking drastic action like demolition - of course he is connected to the conmen.

Not every of 7 million kalenjin know Ruto. The DCI is headed by a Somali and DPP a somali - and victim is Indian - I believe they will get justice. They already have come far. Now all they need is Baraza to pay them good money and they can build themselves bigger house if not apartment.

You tribal agenda has come unstucked. The kalenjin criminals have been at it since 2015 - and they are many such criminals of all tribes targetting asians and whites.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Georgesoros on November 10, 2022, 02:20:19 PM
Simply because they are runnning the country today.

Notice, even the DCI has not mentioned the people who sent the Bukusu auctioneer and all attention is on the naive auctioneer. He too will come out unscarthed since he cannot be charged in court without the evidence against him pointing at the men who sent him.

Most likely it is the last time we are hearing of this saga. I still recall Ruto claiming now Kenya is back "to the rule of the law". Just empty words.

Why will the Kalenjin criminals escape?

Isnt there a court process that takes a while before the auctioneers are given chance to get hold of the property??
Was it followed??
A senior cop needs to be fired due to this crap. It is supposed to be a lawful process, not a mob process.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: audacityofhope on November 10, 2022, 08:51:51 PM
Nonsense. Your fellow Bukusu is one in trouble. These conmen have been on it since 2015 - how does Ruto get involved here?
Baraza here is in big soup - because he demolished someone house with fake court order :)
It is the digital age so finding an answer to your questions is simpler than you think. The owner of the barking dog is in plain sight. It is not about Barasa being a bukusu.

(https://res.6chcdn.feednews.com/assets/v2/ce3333183e914801b630191fe5719af6?quality=uhq&format=webp&resize=720)
UDP Bungoma Gubernatorial candidate Zachariah Baraza and Deputy President William Ruto at his Karen residence on January 24, 2022.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: patel on November 11, 2022, 11:03:16 AM
Kadudu and audacityofdope always trying to make everything tribal. Baraza should be hanged.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 11, 2022, 12:48:24 PM
All the 7 million of us are Ruto friends, allies, comrades. Kumbe kumbe
It is the digital age so finding an answer to your questions is simpler than you think. The owner of the barking dog is in plain sight. It is not about Barasa being a bukusu.

(https://res.6chcdn.feednews.com/assets/v2/ce3333183e914801b630191fe5719af6?quality=uhq&format=webp&resize=720)
UDP Bungoma Gubernatorial candidate Zachariah Baraza and Deputy President William Ruto at his Karen residence on January 24, 2022.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: audacityofhope on November 11, 2022, 10:59:12 PM
Okay let us talk of those 7 million. Yah right, photos abound of hustlers, boda boda mama mbogas in one-on-one photo op like this one of Barasa & Ruto? Heck why not start with yours, as one of the 7 million. show us a picture of you and ruto, where the security let you through to take a one-on-one with Ruto. You are telling Nipateans that Ruto randomly picked Barasa from a crowd of 7 million for this photo op.
All the 7 million of us are Ruto friends, allies, comrades. Kumbe kumbe
It is the digital age so finding an answer to your questions is simpler than you think. The owner of the barking dog is in plain sight. It is not about Barasa being a bukusu.

(https://res.6chcdn.feednews.com/assets/v2/ce3333183e914801b630191fe5719af6?quality=uhq&format=webp&resize=720)
UDP Bungoma Gubernatorial candidate Zachariah Baraza and Deputy President William Ruto at his Karen residence on January 24, 2022.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 11, 2022, 11:30:13 PM
Ruto met you mother in Bungoma...and your father if they are alive. It was campaigning season. All are welcome. You need to own Baraza the thug if you must be tribal. Or just realize this is just another thugs...thugs dont have tribes.

Bottom line there was no premise to call these thugs kalenjin mafia. There are thugs. End of story.

If a pattern emerges where kalejin thugs are regularly in these kinds scandal like Moi time - yes you can call them Kalenjin or Ruto thugs.



Okay let us talk of those 7 million. Yah right, photos abound of hustlers, boda boda mama mbogas in one-on-one photo op like this one of Barasa & Ruto? Heck why not start with yours, as one of the 7 million. show us a picture of you and ruto, where the security let you through to take a one-on-one with Ruto. You are telling Nipateans that Ruto randomly picked Barasa from a crowd of 7 million for this photo op.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: gout on November 14, 2022, 09:48:03 PM
The thug joined Azimio. He will have his day in court.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/high-court-summons-auctioneer-zachary-baraza-eviction-shah-4019730
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Georgesoros on November 14, 2022, 09:54:29 PM
The thug joined Azimio. He will have his day in court.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/high-court-summons-auctioneer-zachary-baraza-eviction-shah-4019730

Police were present at the demolition, so arent they supposed to ask for a court order before offering protection?
The guy disobeyed orders and I see some judge protecting him that he has a constitutional right to destroy others property.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: audacityofhope on November 14, 2022, 11:27:38 PM
The thug joined Azimio. He will have his day in court.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/high-court-summons-auctioneer-zachary-baraza-eviction-shah-4019730

Police were present at the demolition, so arent they supposed to ask for a court order before offering protection?
The guy disobeyed orders and I see some judge protecting him that he has a constitutional right to destroy others property.

Where does it say that Police were present at the demolitions?
Any policeman there was happenstance, not there for the purpose of demolitions but just happening to pass by and not wanting to get involved.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Georgesoros on November 15, 2022, 12:33:31 AM
The thug joined Azimio. He will have his day in court.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/high-court-summons-auctioneer-zachary-baraza-eviction-shah-4019730

Police were present at the demolition, so arent they supposed to ask for a court order before offering protection?
The guy disobeyed orders and I see some judge protecting him that he has a constitutional right to destroy others property.

Where does it say that Police were present at the demolitions?
Any policeman there was happenstance, not there for the purpose of demolitions but just happening to pass by and not wanting to get involved.


Earlier news reports stated that police were on site to provide security.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Kadudu on November 15, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
Watch the various videos and you will see police presence as the house is being demolished and vandalised. The whole process went on for 2 days and one cannot say police were not informed as they were called several times and even were there only to drive off again. Someone up the in the government called the police off. We might never get to know the truth as the fall guy is now the auctioneer.

Where does it say that Police were present at the demolitions?
Any policeman there was happenstance, not there for the purpose of demolitions but just happening to pass by and not wanting to get involved.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 15, 2022, 12:15:06 PM
Kenya police are for hire.
You pay them 1,500 for protection per police as per the law.
Or you can pay them jini ya maji.

I think this guy just walked to nearest police station; paid the cops; and that is that.

You cannot look for imaginary powers when Baraza is well know thug involving in this kind of deals.

You desperate to link this to Ruto or someone powerful because you're a tribalist.

This kind of lease fraud is very common in Nairobi and Mombasa -- along the cost - Mike Sonko can write a whole book - becuase he is also involved.

I think he wants to monopolize that sector - so Sonko get involved if he is not active on it.

The target is always Indian or white old dude or windows or those that have run to UK...and they strike when lease about to expire....or someone has died...they take over the land...flip if for some millions..

There are four types of criminals in Kenya - white collar
1) Wash wash - gold type scammers/fake currencies/fake tenders.
2) Land lease fraudstars - targeting old rich white/asian families.
3) Tenderprenuers - old gov corruption - KEMSA type - get supply contract and supply air.
4) Drug dealers


Mike Sonko plays in all of them almost.

Watch the various videos and you will see police presence as the house is being demolished and vandalised. The whole process went on for 2 days and one cannot say police were not informed as they were called several times and even were there only to drive off again. Someone up the in the government called the police off. We might never get to know the truth as the fall guy is now the auctioneer.

Where does it say that Police were present at the demolitions?
Any policeman there was happenstance, not there for the purpose of demolitions but just happening to pass by and not wanting to get involved.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Georgesoros on November 15, 2022, 04:02:49 PM
Kenya police are for hire.
You pay them 1,500 for protection per police as per the law.
Or you can pay them jini ya maji.

I think this guy just walked to nearest police station; paid the cops; and that is that.

You cannot look for imaginary powers when Baraza is well know thug involving in this kind of deals.

You desperate to link this to Ruto or someone powerful because you're a tribalist.

This kind of lease fraud is very common in Nairobi and Mombasa -- along the cost - Mike Sonko can write a whole book - becuase he is also involved.

I think he wants to monopolize that sector - so Sonko get involved if he is not active on it.

The target is always Indian or white old dude or windows or those that have run to UK...and they strike when lease about to expire....or someone has died...they take over the land...flip if for some millions..

There are four types of criminals in Kenya - white collar
1) Wash wash - gold type scammers/fake currencies/fake tenders.
2) Land lease fraudstars - targeting old rich white/asian families.
3) Tenderprenuers - old gov corruption - KEMSA type - get supply contract and supply air.
4) Drug dealers


Mike Sonko plays in all of them almost.

Watch the various videos and you will see police presence as the house is being demolished and vandalised. The whole process went on for 2 days and one cannot say police were not informed as they were called several times and even were there only to drive off again. Someone up the in the government called the police off. We might never get to know the truth as the fall guy is now the auctioneer.

Where does it say that Police were present at the demolitions?
Any policeman there was happenstance, not there for the purpose of demolitions but just happening to pass by and not wanting to get involved.

Problem is they have to do it lawfully. This was clearly illegal.
The boss should have asked for court papers authorizing the evicction.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 15, 2022, 05:08:18 PM
How can police certify a court order. This Baraza guy will take the blame.

Maybe Judiciary need to build USSD app where you enter some code and it says that court order is legit.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Georgesoros on November 15, 2022, 09:23:33 PM
How can police certify a court order. This Baraza guy will take the blame.

Maybe Judiciary need to build USSD app where you enter some code and it says that court order is legit.
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Is falsifying a doc a crime?
So if i give police a fake doc then am liable for all damages.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: RV Pundit on November 15, 2022, 10:07:08 PM
Of course - police are not one who demolish the house - they provided security so you can enforce a court order - that is detail to the police. They only provided security. This guy therefore will take the blame. The police next time need to find way to verify court orders - but this was not police order to remove the house - it's was auctioneer with fake order.

So the guy should be tried 1) demolishing a house 2) lying to police 3) faking a court order - all those criminal - and then mhindi should due him for damages in a civil case.

How can police certify a court order. This Baraza guy will take the blame.

Maybe Judiciary need to build USSD app where you enter some code and it says that court order is legit.
[/q

Is falsifying a doc a crime?
So if i give police a fake doc then am liable for all damages.
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: Georgesoros on November 15, 2022, 11:11:00 PM
Of course - police are not one who demolish the house - they provided security so you can enforce a court order - that is detail to the police. They only provided security. This guy therefore will take the blame. The police next time need to find way to verify court orders - but this was not police order to remove the house - it's was auctioneer with fake order.

So the guy should be tried 1) demolishing a house 2) lying to police 3) faking a court order - all those criminal - and then mhindi should due him for damages in a civil case.

How can police certify a court order. This Baraza guy will take the blame.

Maybe Judiciary need to build USSD app where you enter some code and it says that court order is legit.
[/q

Is falsifying a doc a crime?
So if i give police a fake doc then am liable for all damages.

I doubt anything will happen.
Money talks in Kenya.
SAD!!!
Title: Re: Kenyan Asian couple lost their Westlands Nairobi plot ot Kalejin mafia
Post by: audacityofhope on November 23, 2022, 12:47:13 PM
Very sad as lawlessness now starts taking shape in Kenya. Police stood by as a mob dissended on the house with no proper eviction order. Someone up there told the police not to act.

Btw, the directors of the company claiming the land "According to the Registrar of Companies, Lariak Properties Ltd is owned by Nathaniel Kipkemboi, Samuel Chepkwony, John Rotich, and Joel Kiplang’at." Their names tell it all. Those are just frontmen for the real owners. Next land will be transfered to another entity then sold to a Chinese developer for billions.

https://nation.africa/kenya/counties/nairobi/revealed-elaborate-plot-to-evict-city-family-and-grab-its-land-started-in-2015-4013516
Only the real owners are this connected and have the power for this to happen .....

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