She is from Musa Gitau family who I bet was founder of alliance girls.Her brother Alexander Gitau the state house comptroller of Kenyatta.
Reason why Matiba was able to appeal to Kiambu in 1992 even though he was from Muranga.
Even Kibaki when he won in 2002 Kiambu people saw him as an outsider. It took Saiasa ya Kabila adui to make Kiambu vote for Kibaki in 2007. A rude awakening for Raila and his supporter for it was the first time since 1960s GEMA had united. Raila has never recovered from this misadventure. He thought he would divide GEMA in 2022 by chosing Karua and using Uhuru. Wapi.She is from Musa Gitau family who I bet was founder of alliance girls.Her brother Alexander Gitau the state house comptroller of Kenyatta.
Not neccesarily.
Matiba like many Muranga politician lived in Kiambu...michukis and the rest
Matiba home was in then rural Tigoni and so was his flower business
His mother lived in tea estate near Githunguri.
So they were legit Kiambu residence.
Muranga was really just their political or ancestral base.
Otherwise he was at home in Kiambu more than Kiharu.
Maybe new generation of Muranga leaders are now genuinely homegrown - going to Muranga for weekends and all - the older generation were at home in Nairobi or Kiambu - and Muranga was just ancestral home to retreat it to during political seasons - before running to hide in Kiambu.
Reason why Matiba was able to appeal to Kiambu in 1992 even though he was from Muranga.
Even Kibaki when he won in 2002 Kiambu people saw him as an outsider. It took Saiasa ya Kabila adui to make Kiambu vote for Kibaki in 2007. A rude awakening for Raila and his supporter for it was the first time since 1960s GEMA had united. Raila has never recovered from this misadventure. He thought he would divide GEMA in 2022 by chosing Karua and using Uhuru. Wapi.She is from Musa Gitau family who I bet was founder of alliance girls.Her brother Alexander Gitau the state house comptroller of Kenyatta.
Dont make me laugh. RV wachanga ujuaji.
I am not here to reduce my brain and knowledge to you level.
It's you to elevate if you want to debate me or to just read & be lucky.
Matiba was Kiambu man by residence.
Michuki was Kiambu man by residence.
Muranga was their ancestral & political home.
Muranga people had to go to ridgeways Kiambu to see Michuki and all the way to Tigoni to look for Matiba.
Those were their REAL HOMES.
If Kibaki was similarly settled in middle of Kiambu - he would have made enough connections in Kiambu to win substantial votes.
But he wasnt- his home was Othaya or Muthaiga in Nairobi.
Moi home was Kabarak in Nakuru - but his ancestral and political home was in Baringo.
Dont make me laugh. RV wachanga ujuaji.
If this below is debating , Wacha ikae.
Im not Robina to chase wind . You might need to read what Kamotho was saying about Matiba back then to understand why Matiba got the cross Kikuyu appeal. If I get the article will share.
RV Ive told you Im not a Pundit Im as real as it comes.
Let me give it to you for trying to understand GEMA politics seems still you have not understood it.
You dont have a patent to GEMA or Kiambu or Kikuyu politics.
The best political analysis and punditry I have read - are by Wazungus.
Matiba had no cross kikuyu appeal.
He was popular in Muranga-Kiambu-Nakuru-Nairobi.
And he was popular in those areas amongst the mostly poor hustler class.
Kibaki was popular in Nyeri-Laikipia-Kirinyanga-half of Meru/Embu.If this below is debating , Wacha ikae.
Im not Robina to chase wind . You might need to read what Kamotho was saying about Matiba back then to understand why Matiba got the cross Kikuyu appeal. If I get the article will share.
RV Ive told you Im not a Pundit Im as real as it comes.
Let me give it to you for trying to understand GEMA politics seems still you have not understood it.
Kibaki won in Nyeri,Kirinyaga, Embu ,Meru & Tharaka Nithi
Matiba took all the other Kikuyu regions.
Matibas and Kibakis Combination of Votes add some Luhya votes in 1992 could have out won Moi.
Now thats what later became United GEMA as from 2005 because of Kabila adui votes.
Im not saying Im an expert in GEMA politics just saying our understanding is different.
You can go back to our posts here prior to the elections you will realise while you were speculating most of the times I was providing real time information which was spot on.
You can ask Njuri.
Am beginning to think pundit might be half kalenjin/luo or kisii mixed,guy is stubborn boisterous and know it all above shouting at even the wind. Pundit isn't a pure kalenjinYou ignorant of even Meru politics.Moi used to win half Meru and half embu county.Mostly imentis and embu supported kibaki.This is not about being sujui kalenjin or half what...it about having deep knowledge of Kenya politics.The whole tharaka nithi was kanu.Mbeere was kanu.Igembe kanu.Tigania kanu.Again only the progressive imentis and embu supported my party DP. Next kibaki got few votes from munyao in machakos.Then nyamweya kidogo in Gusii then John keen kidogo in kajiado.This was my party and kibaki was my candidate
Now what pundit you arguing with Noway is plain simple stuff you can ask any layman. Noway is absolutely correct on this, where the hell do you even get eti kibaki had half Meru? Meru was 100 per cent Kibaki dont mistake with votes moi used to rig in Tigania.
Just ask anyone on the street for these analysis don't rely on books and computers by wazungu.
Dont rely on cooked fogures by the then electoral body which was simoly a rigging machine for moi. That data is garbage
Any electoral data before 2002 is just pieces of shiet,chesoni or what was his name basically cooked fogures for ECK then completely useless , dont waste time using those figures,Here goes the excuse from moi beating.Assume even kibaki won in 1997..how would he even govern with 40 mps.Moi despite rigging generally won .. opposition was hopelessly divided.Moi had national support...not in big tribes...but he swept all small tribes...and made KANU a joggernaut.It would take Raila rebellion to implode KANU otherwise we we're finished.I didn't support moi for single minute but I know he was a political genius
Am beginning to think pundit might be half kalenjin/luo or kisii mixed,guy is stubborn boisterous and know it all above shouting at even the wind. Pundit isn't a pure kalenjin
Now what pundit you arguing with Noway is plain simple stuff you can ask any layman. Noway is absolutely correct on this, where the hell do you even get eti kibaki had half Meru? Meru was 100 per cent Kibaki dont mistake with votes moi used to rig in Tigania.
Just ask anyone on the street for these analysis don't rely on books and computers by wazungu.
Dont rely on cooked fogures by the then electoral body which was simoly a rigging machine for moi. That data is garbage
Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.
Kibaki rigged 2007 to win by 200k.We can never agree there.Whether we argue day n night.The rigging was brazen, led to more than thousand deaths and uprooted more half million people. When it come to political punditry .you cannot wash my feet.Youre not in my level.Two years ago I told you Weta would become National Assembly speaker...now you're doing postmortem of it and pretending to be a genius.Youre a crazy moron.I told you Rigathi was on pole for Dpork after kiunjuri messed up.
You pretend you are a genious but you fail to say 2007 Presidential elections were with a simple majority and then Kalonzo didnt back Raila.
Now on Ruto , He personally acknowledged they lost in 2007. He infact didnt even back Raila and the motivation to back up Uhuru in 2013 was simply premised on the loss of 2007. You see why you are not Ruto . He is a visionary he said people say GEMA cannot back another candidate but he believes in Kenya where any tribe cam back up anyone come 2022 he won GEMA. And Im not tribal what Ruto has done with Kingi and Wetangula is visionary come 2027 he will be rewarded . Si mabishano lets look at politics for what it is. Ujuaji haitakupeleka anywhere . You see where rhe Robinas ans Kichwas are? Where is Audacity of Dope ?Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.
Kibaki rigged 2007 to win by 200k.We can never agree there.Whether we argue day n night.The rigging was brazen, led to more than thousand deaths and uprooted more half million people. When it come to political punditry .you cannot wash my feet.Youre not in my level.Two years ago I told you Weta would become National Assembly speaker...now you're doing postmortem of it and pretending to be a genius.Youre a crazy moron.I told you Rigathi was on pole for Dpork after kiunjuri messed up.
You pretend you are a genious but you fail to say 2007 Presidential elections were with a simple majority and then Kalonzo didnt back Raila.
Now on Ruto , He personally acknowledged they lost in 2007. He infact didnt even back Raila and the motivation to back up Uhuru in 2013 was simply premised on the loss of 2007. You see why you are not Ruto . He is a visionary he said people say GEMA cannot back another candidate but he believes in Kenya where any tribe cam back up anyone come 2022 he won GEMA. And Im not tribal what Ruto has done with Kingi and Wetangula is visionary come 2027 he will be rewarded . Si mabishano lets look at politics for what it is. Ujuaji haitakupeleka anywhere . You see where rhe Robinas ans Kichwas are? Where is Audacity of Dope ?Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.
You area pundit Im in politics. Wetas kin in my collegue we are tight like chanda na pete in 2013 he told its impossible to votw for another Kikuyu last year he told me its impossible to vote for Raila again . Reread my posts . Weta went to Ruto because Bukusus were going to vote Ruto. I did acknowledge this. How many Ford K MCAs were voted in Bungoma and Transzoia vis a vis UDA MCAs. let me know. Ive not had time to reconcile.Kibaki rigged 2007 to win by 200k.We can never agree there.Whether we argue day n night.The rigging was brazen, led to more than thousand deaths and uprooted more half million people. When it come to political punditry .you cannot wash my feet.Youre not in my level.Two years ago I told you Weta would become National Assembly speaker...now you're doing postmortem of it and pretending to be a genius.Youre a crazy moron.I told you Rigathi was on pole for Dpork after kiunjuri messed up.
You pretend you are a genious but you fail to say 2007 Presidential elections were with a simple majority and then Kalonzo didnt back Raila.
Now on Ruto , He personally acknowledged they lost in 2007. He infact didnt even back Raila and the motivation to back up Uhuru in 2013 was simply premised on the loss of 2007. You see why you are not Ruto . He is a visionary he said people say GEMA cannot back another candidate but he believes in Kenya where any tribe cam back up anyone come 2022 he won GEMA. And Im not tribal what Ruto has done with Kingi and Wetangula is visionary come 2027 he will be rewarded . Si mabishano lets look at politics for what it is. Ujuaji haitakupeleka anywhere . You see where rhe Robinas ans Kichwas are? Where is Audacity of Dope ?Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.
You're a shameless cartoon who spent time here saying weta and bukusu wont deal with Ruto.
Weta proved himself in Kabuchai byelection - and Ruto knew he had to deal with him - pay him some millions and give him NA Speaker plus concede Tranzoia and Bungoma to Ford-K and a cabinet position for him.You area pundit Im in politics. Wetas kin in my collegue we are tight like chanda na pete in 2013 he told its impossible to votw for another Kikuyu last year he told me its impossible to vote for Raila again . Reread my posts . Weta went to Ruto because Bukusus were going to vote Ruto. I did acknowledge this. How many Ford K MCAs were voted in Bungoma and Transzoia vis a vis UDA MCAs. let me know. Ive not had time to reconcile.Kibaki rigged 2007 to win by 200k.We can never agree there.Whether we argue day n night.The rigging was brazen, led to more than thousand deaths and uprooted more half million people. When it come to political punditry .you cannot wash my feet.Youre not in my level.Two years ago I told you Weta would become National Assembly speaker...now you're doing postmortem of it and pretending to be a genius.Youre a crazy moron.I told you Rigathi was on pole for Dpork after kiunjuri messed up.
You pretend you are a genious but you fail to say 2007 Presidential elections were with a simple majority and then Kalonzo didnt back Raila.
Now on Ruto , He personally acknowledged they lost in 2007. He infact didnt even back Raila and the motivation to back up Uhuru in 2013 was simply premised on the loss of 2007. You see why you are not Ruto . He is a visionary he said people say GEMA cannot back another candidate but he believes in Kenya where any tribe cam back up anyone come 2022 he won GEMA. And Im not tribal what Ruto has done with Kingi and Wetangula is visionary come 2027 he will be rewarded . Si mabishano lets look at politics for what it is. Ujuaji haitakupeleka anywhere . You see where rhe Robinas ans Kichwas are? Where is Audacity of Dope ?Biggest complainers of 2007 rigging is WSR.Not me.Of course you wish you can eliminate that part of Ruto history as you seek to own him.2022 Ruto win is backed by gema and kalenjin.2007 kibaki win was purely gema plus few votes here and there...so you can't compare the two.2013,2017 and 2022 are similar...at core is Mt Kenya & kalenjin alliance..that is hard to beat.Kibaki went to 2007 with Mt Kenya only hence the brazen rigging that sparked violence.
Yes beacuse Weta was not going anywhere until he hit the ground and specifically until Mudavadi told him WE NEED TO BE REAL
You can continue with your Punditry but politics is real. There is a reason we knew Ruto will be President and Raila will would depend on rigging.
Just admit you know little about politics.Weta had a deal with Ruto long time ago because his options were limited - having fallen out with Raila earlier. I believe he signed onto Ruto team three years ago and what was remaining was inking the deal and avoiding Uhuru deep state from harrasing weta and weta making money from idiotic Uhuru. MaDVD was still ambitious about making PORK or something until recently. The crap about real politics of meeting friends and brothers of xyz is laughable. You have very little knowledge of kenya politics.Yes beacuse Weta was not going anywhere until he hit the ground and specifically until Mudavadi told him WE NEED TO BE REAL
You can continue with your Punditry but politics is real. There is a reason we knew Ruto will be President and Raila will would depend on rigging.
I will be honest with you . When I was with Railas inner circle back in July they told me Uhuru had a deal with Raila in 2016. Uhuru was to take 2017 and Raila 2022.
You can guess how I made it in Raila inner circle.
Raila-Uhuru deal still doesnt make sense to me.
What make sense to me was Uhuru-Gideon deal.
Initially the plan as far as I can deduce and as far as Ruto inner circle says was simple.
Use Raila and harrass Ruto - force him to resign or quit - or fire him - then appoint Gideon as DPORk
Kalenjin would have no problem - GEMA would have no problem - kumi kumi would be on point
Gideon would become PORK - Muhoho or a kenyatta would become defacto DPORK.
That was the brief of Nancy Gitau - that was funded by Gideon and Muhoho.
The plan fell apart as Ruto was always ahead...they frustrated Ruto to the maximum...but Ruto held on DPORK.
Then they went for BBI - as fallback - give Raila PORK and Uhuru PM.
That also fell apart.
Then they decided to go fully on board on Raila as desperation kicked in.
And that also fell apart.
I dont listen to what you say - bull stories - I listen to Ruto inner circles who have revealed those plans - here and there.
Raila was never part of Uhuru plan - he was to be dumped 2002 style except Ruto proved very adept and they had to adopt Raila.I will be honest with you . When I was with Railas inner circle back in July they told me Uhuru had a deal with Raila in 2016. Uhuru was to take 2017 and Raila 2022.
You can guess how I made it in Raila inner circle.
Who is Rutos inner circle?
When we met with Railas inner circle in July in Karen. I was made ro know of this deal. I came here in Nipate and said it . Raila route to presidency is premised on rigging . Didnt mention any names.
Pundit you can quote all people you read in newspapers all you want. Reread all my posts you will know the real deal.Raila-Uhuru deal still doesnt make sense to me.
What make sense to me was Uhuru-Gideon deal.
Initially the plan as far as I can deduce and as far as Ruto inner circle says was simple.
Use Raila and harrass Ruto - force him to resign or quit - or fire him - then appoint Gideon as DPORk
Kalenjin would have no problem - GEMA would have no problem - kumi kumi would be on point
Gideon would become PORK - Muhoho or a kenyatta would become defacto DPORK.
That was the brief of Nancy Gitau - that was funded by Gideon and Muhoho.
The plan fell apart as Ruto was always ahead...they frustrated Ruto to the maximum...but Ruto held on DPORK.
Then they went for BBI - as fallback - give Raila PORK and Uhuru PM.
That also fell apart.
Then they decided to go fully on board on Raila as desperation kicked in.
And that also fell apart.
I dont listen to what you say - bull stories - I listen to Ruto inner circles who have revealed those plans - here and there.
Raila was never part of Uhuru plan - he was to be dumped 2002 style except Ruto proved very adept and they had to adopt Raila.I will be honest with you . When I was with Railas inner circle back in July they told me Uhuru had a deal with Raila in 2016. Uhuru was to take 2017 and Raila 2022.
You can guess how I made it in Raila inner circle.
So on Thursday, President Kenyatta, his brother Muhoho Kenyatta & Nancy Gitau met Senator @MoiGideon and signed a coalition agreement. On Friday Moi was boasting about it in a meeting with @skmusyoka. Unfortunately, that only added 3 senators to the plan against @kipmurkomen
— -Dennis Itumbi, CBS (@OleItumbi) May 10, 2020
REASONS FOR POSTPONEMENT OF BBI: President Uhuru Kenyatta wants some amendments based on the feedback from Church leaders, ODM doesn't want. Currently, a meeting going on at Gigiri at Nancy Gitau's place. Junet and others present. Uhuru wants consensus. TOUGH! @Gideon_Kitheka
— Abuga Makori EGH, MBE (@abuga_makori) November 18, 2020
Leo Rigathi went full beast mode on Kenyatta family, hadi ameongea kuhusu a team at Gigiri led by Muhoho, Nancy Gitau and a few others at KRA who have been targeting Mt Ke businessmen. He even gave details of why Humphrey Kariuki had to be brought down.
— David ML (@Davidlmwa) March 13, 2022
Rv lets meet uwachane na story za Uhuru and Nancy gitau . They are inconsiquential.
Rigathi Gachagua says William Ruto was being frustrated to leave so that Gideon Moi would replace him. Two names mentioned so far; Gideon Moi and Nancy Gitau...
— Juma G 🇰🇪 (@jumaf3) July 19, 2022
Now they are finished before Ruto start on them. By christmas they will truly be finished. Nancy is very smart to know when to run. Now kenyattas and Mois are waiting for their fate. Ruto is practising his knockout punches. The upper cuts Kenyattas and Mois will get - I really pity them.Rv lets meet uwachane na story za Uhuru and Nancy gitau . They are inconsiquential.
Why would I have problems with gema.I have a problems with Kenyatta.Same way I have problems with moi despite being a kalenjin.I supported kibaki on 90s till 2005.I married a gema woman.Why would I have problems with my in-laws?my kids are half gema.. speak Kikuyu and embu..why pray would have problems with that.I was very fortunate to brought by a very intelligent non tribal parents...I have no problems with Luos.I restrict my politics to people..not tribes.Dont project your tribalism on others
You're a cartoon.I have total absolute disdain for Raila.I think he is harmless fool.You think he is a threat.I think he is a kid.Many kalenjin think Luos are kids, my father had similar disdain.Gema fear Luos.Kalenjin we are brought up to think of Luos as nothing but kids at best women's.Its like kambas to you.You don't see kambas as threat.I don't see Luos or Raila as threat.You folks fear Raila n odm.. kalenjin sees them as people to be pitied.That difference.We don't consider worth of our enemity.Most gema have Raila or luophobia.. kalenjin see Raila and his people as hopeless in power games or even simple war..loud and boastful but really pushovers.No kalenjin I know hate Luos.We see them the way you see kambas..a retarded version of kikuyu.Kalenjin can never really fight Luos because they are not worthy of a fight.They are to be pitied.. Kalenjin supported Raila from April 2007 and regretted by January when he chicken out from fighting kibaki..less than year.Kalenjin were so ashamed they let Ruto lead them..to Kikuyu .If Ruto was Raila in 2007 Kenya would be gone..Luos are naive cowards you should not waste time on.. Kalenjin and Maasai are brave.Luos know better than bring nonsense to Ruto..they can't even dare ..that is why they are crying without causing makekele..they know better.They can only threaten kikuyus.They know if touch a kalenjin the pain will brought to bear and they will beg for mercy in a day. Kalenjin like Maasai and Somalis are very brave people who can dig in..Luos rush headlong and are done in hours..no strategy
Rv , you think you are Ruto and start creating his threats which are not there. Your brain is engrained with GEMA fear. same like.Raila supporters have been feed GEMA has been their problem to succeed . You are in that category. You can claim you have you married to to GEMA but that doesnt change the inbuild brain mechnism which formulates a belief a chracter. You adore Raila. its evident.You are an ODMer . I mean people can see that.Why would I have problems with gema.I have a problems with Kenyatta.Same way I have problems with moi despite being a kalenjin.I supported kibaki on 90s till 2005.I married a gema woman.Why would I have problems with my in-laws?my kids are half gema.. speak Kikuyu and embu..why pray would have problems with that.I was very fortunate to brought by a very intelligent non tribal parents...I have no problems with Luos.I restrict my politics to people..not tribes.Dont project your tribalism on others