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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on September 06, 2022, 08:55:27 AM
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Apart from RVHH here - I have keenly followed Ruto steps since 1998. I didnt see much of Y2k of early 90s.
1998 - 1st term Mp - he was a bit player with Kirwa, Late Kapten, Jirongo and KANU (B)/ UDM who were fighting old KANU A . Ruto/Kirwa crew who revolved around Uasin-Gishu-Tranzoia - and were generally trying to start a Nandi rebellion against Moi. Their biggest beef beyond Moi messing up Maize & KCC - was EATEC large wattle land in present day Kapseret. The Tugen-Keiyo elites wanted to buy - and Nandis organized to repulse them.
Anyway his rebellion was short-lived and soon Moi made him Ass Min of State - Moi had like 4 minister under Harambee - and Ruto disappeared from my radar. Mark Too and Raila would dominate the 1999-2001 with their cooperation.
It wasnt until 2001/2002 that Ruto would re-appear. This time as proxy of Gideon Moi & Uhuru Kenyatta. He had managed to win trust of Moi - by his brilliance and was competing with Kamotho for KANU spokesmanship - as he is well spoken - and avid debater both in parliament and outside. He was only KANU mp who could hold a debate with most of brilliant opposition Mps.
What really made me notice Ruto was when I learnt that Biwott had been kicked out of Kitchen cabinet - by Gideon Moi - and replaced by WSR. That was almost outragous - Biwott had been Moi righthand man - as official PA since 1970s - and business partner - bag carrier - together with Kulei who was personal PA. To kick out Biwott from Moi kitchen was clear demonstration that Ruto had not come to joke.
Although I hated KANU - I followed Ruto inspired and led - Youth KANU fresh campaign for Uhuru in 2002 - with great admiration. Ruto had almost successfully branded the opposition and KANU older folks as too old baggage who needed to retire with Moi - for if Moi was retiring - why would they stay longer?
It took Raila's Tosha - to save Kenya - as truly Ruto, Uhuru and Gideon were just not ready for prime time. They were barely in their 30s and early 40s - and were pure greenhorns.
Subequently in 2003 - there was small succession war btw Gideon and Ruto on who would inherit Kalenjin & KANU leadership. Gideon lost as he was just incapable of leading even two goats. KANU was then essentially Kiambu & Kalenjin party - The Kiambu (kikuyu) crew immediately run to Kibaki - and Uhuru was left as loner. Ruto essentially became KANU leader.
Now btw 2003 - 2005 - Ruto real mentle - showed. As everyone cowed with NARC lynch mob baying for any KANU/Kalenjin blood - Ruto couragously stood and took on the official opposition role. It's was initially akward for KANU to oppose anything - with their history as the most evil party - but with time Ruto found enough voice - to make Kibaki crew scared.
As the NARC crew got into their own corruption - Ruto opposition voice grew - and in desperate attempt to clip him - Kiraitu and company arrested Ruto together with Kulei for Ngong land deals. Ruto was out after weekend - and continued hitting NARC - his courage at this point earned him his Kalenjin nickname - Nyiganet - the brave one.
And soon was joined by LPK crew (Raila-Kalonzo) who felt betrayed by NAK crew.
2005 Bomas - Ruto was now de-facto KANU chair - while Uhuru was just one man crew - and soon Ruto joint hands with Raila & kalonzo to oppose constitution. Ruto was still a baby compared to Raila in crowd mobilization.
When referendum results were out - Kibaki crew got even more angry at Ruto - because not only had he mobilized Kalenjin to oppose it - but also Kalenjin turnout was so high - Kibaki crew claimed Ruto had rigged.
Ruto was now the kingmaker to decide btw Kalonzo and Raila. Ruto favoured Kalonzo and was unconformtable with Raila - because 1) he would be hard to win - un-electability of Raila/Luos is longstanding issue in kenya - 2) he was forceful character - however the kalenjin as they got angier with kibaki/GEMA crew - they wanted someone who was their antidote - and Raila rose from being un-electable to win ODM ticket - although Kalonzo bolted out.
From 2007 - and with Kalenjin again voting 99 percent for Raila - and with worse violence from Kalenjin that was wrongly attributed to Ruto - everyone now knew about Ruto - he had arrived in national pysche - he was dead man walking/kabuga for his enemies - he was a hero to his admirers - and his story - pretty much everyones knows from there.
Ruto incredible political journey is just about started. In 10yrs - I suspect all kenyans will in unison remove the two term limits and allow Ruto to rule kenya indefenitely :) - for he would have transformed the country in ways you cannot imagine.
Ruto is the most complete, the most consumate politician ever in kenya. He is incredibly disciplined, couragous, hardworking, gifted with cab/orator, quick thinker, tenancious, ambitious and just doesnt know what failure is. Expecting Ruto to fail is setting yourself to fail. Ruto will do all that is humanly possible to suceed.
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Fraud. Complete fraud.
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Ruto is cunning.
That some slow people call corruption or thieving or fraud.
Ruto is hard nosed negotiator.
Fraud. Complete fraud.
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Ask the likes of yebei wherever they are .
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Apart from RVHH here - I have keenly followed Ruto steps since 1998. I didnt see much of Y2k of early 90s.
1998 - 1st term Mp - he was a bit player with Kirwa, Late Kapten, Jirongo and KANU (B)/ UDM who were fighting old KANU A . Ruto/Kirwa crew who revolved around Uasin-Gishu-Tranzoia - and were generally trying to start a Nandi rebellion against Moi. Their biggest beef beyond Moi messing up Maize & KCC - was EATEC large wattle land in present day Kapseret. The Tugen-Keiyo elites wanted to buy - and Nandis organized to repulse them.
Anyway his rebellion was short-lived and soon Moi made him Ass Min of State - Moi had like 4 minister under Harambee - and Ruto disappeared from my radar. Mark Too and Raila would dominate the 1999-2001 with their cooperation.
It wasnt until 2001/2002 that Ruto would re-appear. This time as proxy of Gideon Moi & Uhuru Kenyatta. He had managed to win trust of Moi - by his brilliance and was competing with Kamotho for KANU spokesmanship - as he is well spoken - and avid debater both in parliament and outside. He was only KANU mp who could hold a debate with most of brilliant opposition Mps.
What really made me notice Ruto was when I learnt that Biwott had been kicked out of Kitchen cabinet - by Gideon Moi - and replaced by WSR. That was almost outragous - Biwott had been Moi righthand man - as official PA since 1970s - and business partner - bag carrier - together with Kulei who was personal PA. To kick out Biwott from Moi kitchen was clear demonstration that Ruto had not come to joke.
Although I hated KANU - I followed Ruto inspired and led - Youth KANU fresh campaign for Uhuru in 2002 - with great admiration. Ruto had almost successfully branded the opposition and KANU older folks as too old baggage who needed to retire with Moi - for if Moi was retiring - why would they stay longer?
It took Raila's Tosha - to save Kenya - as truly Ruto, Uhuru and Gideon were just not ready for prime time. They were barely in their 30s and early 40s - and were pure greenhorns.
Subequently in 2003 - there was small succession war btw Gideon and Ruto on who would inherit Kalenjin & KANU leadership. Gideon lost as he was just incapable of leading even two goats. KANU was then essentially Kiambu & Kalenjin party - The Kiambu (kikuyu) crew immediately run to Kibaki - and Uhuru was left as loner. Ruto essentially became KANU leader.
Now btw 2003 - 2005 - Ruto real mentle - showed. As everyone cowed with NARC lynch mob baying for any KANU/Kalenjin blood - Ruto couragously stood and took on the official opposition role. It's was initially akward for KANU to oppose anything - with their history as the most evil party - but with time Ruto found enough voice - to make Kibaki crew scared.
As the NARC crew got into their own corruption - Ruto opposition voice grew - and in desperate attempt to clip him - Kiraitu and company arrested Ruto together with Kulei for Ngong land deals. Ruto was out after weekend - and continued hitting NARC - his courage at this point earned him his Kalenjin nickname - Nyiganet - the brave one.
And soon was joined by LPK crew (Raila-Kalonzo) who felt betrayed by NAK crew.
2005 Bomas - Ruto was now de-facto KANU chair - while Uhuru was just one man crew - and soon Ruto joint hands with Raila & kalonzo to oppose constitution. Ruto was still a baby compared to Raila in crowd mobilization.
When referendum results were out - Kibaki crew got even more angry at Ruto - because not only had he mobilized Kalenjin to oppose it - but also Kalenjin turnout was so high - Kibaki crew claimed Ruto had rigged.
Ruto was now the kingmaker to decide btw Kalonzo and Raila. Ruto favoured Kalonzo and was unconformtable with Raila - because 1) he would be hard to win - un-electability of Raila/Luos is longstanding issue in kenya - 2) he was forceful character - however the kalenjin as they got angier with kibaki/GEMA crew - they wanted someone who was their antidote - and Raila rose from being un-electable to win ODM ticket - although Kalonzo bolted out.
From 2007 - and with Kalenjin again voting 99 percent for Raila - and with worse violence from Kalenjin that was wrongly attributed to Ruto - everyone now knew about Ruto - he had arrived in national pysche - he was dead man walking/kabuga for his enemies - he was a hero to his admirers - and his story - pretty much everyones knows from there.
Ruto incredible political journey is just about started. In 10yrs - I suspect all kenyans will in unison remove the two term limits and allow Ruto to rule kenya indefenitely :) - for he would have transformed the country in ways you cannot imagine.
Ruto is the most complete, the most consumate politician ever in kenya. He is incredibly disciplined, couragous, hardworking, gifted with cab/orator, quick thinker, tenancious, ambitious and just doesnt know what failure is. Expecting Ruto to fail is setting yourself to fail. Ruto will do all that is humanly possible to suceed.
You are spot on. He loves order, integrity in Government, and economic growth. Like Kagame, there a possibility majority of Kenyans will want him to rule for a long time, but I suspect he will turn it down because he is the champion of Rule of law and constitution. 10 years and 10 years of his project is all he is seeking, so we are looking at 20 years of RVGEMA 2.0 rule that efficient, effective, and transformative. Moi of 1983-2001, Kibaki of coalition, and Uhuru regimes were liabilities. Ruto will be an asset of Kenya!
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Ruto is not clean (not sure why you and rv pundit keep saying he believes in rule of law and integrity) no politician in kienya is clean but if he fixes the economy which is Africa's biggest issue, if he reduces the poverty, then i'll consider his presidency a success. I'll even overlook his corruption
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Ruto is not clean (not sure why you and rv pundit keep saying he believes in rule of law and integrity) no politician in kienya is clean but if he fixes the economy which is Africa's biggest issue, if he reduces the poverty, then i'll consider his presidency a success. I'll even overlook his corruption
He is very, super clean. All the allegations you've heard about him are hogwash and hot air. Anytime you hear scandal around his name is probably his incompetent employees, someone trying to taint his reputation or just media sensationalism. He remains the guy that cannot be corrupted in Kenya. Most Kenyans will trust and believe in him the way I do in about 2-3 years. I think it takes quite some time to relentlessly clean a name after dynasty media, jealous people, and political competitors soil one's name through fake information. You right now are spreading fake news about him unknowingly. Do you have evidence from the court that he is corrupt? Has he been charged anywhere?
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Interesting long read, Ruto intelligence is almost to genius, the guy has a shining star, baba needs accept that its God's will Ruto has destiny and the destiny Ruto will transform Kenya almost to an industrized country by 2032.
However Ruto should avoid these pitfalls and kind of friends that can ruin his goal namely Farouk and Linturi because Rutos weakness is women,its clear because growing in a poor background Ruto didn't have the trappings to get women while young and from sources if he keeps time with those 2 characters who are known womanizers it will ruin him.
As a man obviously he needs an extra woman like we all do here and there but he should go chini ya maji and get a mature one not slay queens. Beating Rachel Should NOW STOP.
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Do you have evidence from the court that he is corrupt? Has he been charged anywhere?
Who in Kenya at that level is ever charged? they are all corrupt including him
What is this I keep hearing about him beating Rachel?
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Strong leader. People will work.
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That is just the start. If it was up to him, he may outlaw alcohol and drugs in Kenya. Having about 20 million sober people is enough to lift economy and build stable families where father and mother are present at all times. Wealth creation starts right there at the family!
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Alcohol, drugs and betting should be amongst top priority in kenya. Ruto is the best guy to deal with menace. I would ban all these useless betting - and for alcohol & drugs - there has to be very strict enforcement of the law or something.
That is just the start. If it was up to him, he may outlaw alcohol and drugs in Kenya. Having about 20 million sober people is enough to lift economy and build stable families where father and mother are present at all times. Wealth creation starts right there at the family!
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Ruto shouldn't mix his personal preferences with business otherwise he will go up in smoke.
Beer/ alcohol business is a huge sector anywhere in the world, governments have been brought down by merely just trying to stop alcohol, gatheca himself is a victim of this too when he tried to kill the business in mlima.
Even in Saudi Arabia alcohol flows its only thats its underground the government knows it but looks the other way as even most consumers are the royal family.
Ruto shouldn't waste his time trying to control what was there since biblical times. 2 things you can never control in the world
1. Prostitution
2. Alcohol
Beer /alcohol industry in Kenya is almost 95% controlled by GEMA,from the producers to distributers and even consumers, touching that can easily lead to his demise.
Meru is Numero uno in beer consumption in Kenya
POMBE SI MBAYA,WATU NDIO WABAYA.
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Control is needed to deal with alcoholism
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Control is needed to deal with alcoholism
Why such high rates of alcoholism in Kenya? I blame the poverty and unemployment rates. Young people are idle, depressed, frustrated, don't see a future for themselves and are turning to alcohol to soothe them. Betting and gambling just needs to be banned outright especially in a country with so many poor and desperate people.
The other issue women MP's need to work on is bringing about a child support enforcement law. Too many deadbeat fathers (even men with jobs have multiple kids with too many different women that they are not supporting) Kenyan men need to be forced into responsbility.
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Yes there is need for more discipline and responsible citizens
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There has to be a compromise. For instance, all licences for wines and spirits in residential areas need to be revoked. Let it be in CBD, markets or we create designated areas like Bypasses, malls. Those hustlers will have to get hit.
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Moi tried and we ended up with Masandukuni (remember that?) people putting beer crates right outside bars because the bars were forced to "close" lol
The underlying issue is poverty and unemployment (you can't just tell people to stop drinking when they are poor and jobless)
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Agreed - otherwise we have serious drug problem esp in GEMA and RV.
There has to be a compromise. For instance, all licences for wines and spirits in residential areas need to be revoked. Let it be in CBD, markets or we create designated areas like Bypasses, malls. Those hustlers will have to get hit.
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Moi managed to reign in a very serious problem.
Moi tried and we ended up with Masandukuni (remember that?) people putting beer crates right outside bars because the bars were forced to "close" lol
The underlying issue is poverty and unemployment (you can't just tell people to stop drinking when they are poor and jobless)
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People survived without cell phones a few years ago and can survive without alcohol and drugs. I think he should outlaw it and let the country throw tantrums for 2 years, and after 3 to 4 years, most people will call it "The most genius move." Alcohol, not corruption, is Kenya's number one problem!
There is a way to do it without ruffling feathers. Pass policies and tax laws that eventually make alcohol very expensive. If beer bottles retail at 1200-1700 Ksh, people will slowly quit over time!
When folk gravitates to local brew, treat it as bhang and hard drugs by lengthy prison sentences!
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I have seen that Kamanda is quoting Hasla on pombe. Digs at ufool, saying alcohol has destroyed the country.
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Prohibition never worked even in the US. It is eventually very expensive. There are already laws banning sale of alcohol near schools and residential areas. Drinking hours are regulated.
Local manufacturing of alcohol is a low hanging hasora cottage industry which can employ hundreds of thousands and be taxed.
What we need is affordable beers not suicidal spirit/illicit liquors. With people occupied they will drink less as they are required at work.
As a nation we also have to get ways to ensure scum walevi like ufool never again rise to the top.
People survived without cell phones a few years ago and can survive without alcohol and drugs. I think he should outlaw it and let the country throw tantrums for 2 years, and after 3 to 4 years, most people will call it "The most genius move." Alcohol, not corruption, is Kenya's number one problem!
There is a way to do it without ruffling feathers. Pass policies and tax laws that eventually make alcohol very expensive. If beer bottles retail at 1200-1700 Ksh, people will slowly quit over time!
When folk gravitates to local brew, treat it as bhang and hard drugs by lengthy prison sentences!
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Yes we need to strike a delicate balance btw controlling and regulating.Definitely idleness is biggest prob so we have find how to engage people through mass employment
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Good luck trying to control alcohol,if it hasnt worked anywhere in the world why would it work in Kenya,alcohol are among man's greatest invention been there since advent of man.
Kibaki was a genius introduced senator keg for the hustlers this has saved many hustlers who would have been wasted by changaa and kumi kumi. Kibaki himself loved white cap.
But it's very surprising now since Ruto is a teetotaler kalenjins now want to sober up instantly including dear pundit very laughable :D
Ruto should use his enegy in ensuring that alcohol is well regulated and produced not fake bonoko that kills, he should ensure people can afford cheap legal and safe alcohol for consumption otherwise trying to prohibit will make the poor go into kumi kumi and become blind,
Kalenjins have 0 investment in beer sector, Kalenjin aren't business oriented,thats why Ruto should leave all key economic decisions to GEMA to run.
Beer/alcohol business is a multi billion enterprise for GEMA, any attempt to cut that money would easily lead to liquidation of the initiator :)
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Good luck trying to control alcohol,if it hasnt worked anywhere in the world why would it work in Kenya,alcohol are among man's greatest invention been there since advent of man.
Kibaki was a genius introduced senator keg for the hustlers this has saved many hustlers who would have been wasted by changaa and kumi kumi. Kibaki himself loved white cap.
But it's very surprising now since Ruto is a teetotaler kalenjins now want to sober up instantly including dear pundit very laughable :D
Ruto should use his enegy in ensuring that alcohol is well regulated and produced not fake bonoko that kills, he should ensure people can afford cheap legal and safe alcohol for consumption otherwise trying to prohibit will make the poor go into kumi kumi and become blind,
Kalenjins have 0 investment in beer sector, Kalenjin aren't business oriented,thats why Ruto should leave all key economic decisions to GEMA to run.
Beer/alcohol business is a multi billion enterprise for GEMA, any attempt to cut that money would easily lead to liquidation of the initiator :)
kibaki didn't start keg...keg was started by moi regime with eabl...GEMA has serious alcohol and drug problem affecting it's young men....if you continue this way...you women will sure luhya n luo kids for you.For one alcohol den....how many lives get destroyed.Stop talking like an idiot and think.Ruto cannot just sit like Uhuru or kibaki....watch generations get wasted by miraa, alcohol and bettings.He will act like Moi did.Moi saved Kenya from Kenyatta mass alcoholism.How many merus are dealing with drug abuse....many...I drink but responsibly.The laws are there... counties need to stamp it out.... implement the drug control laws... build rehab centers in every county
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Keg was started by kibaki..it appears..will check again
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Good luck trying to control alcohol,if it hasnt worked anywhere in the world why would it work in Kenya,alcohol are among man's greatest invention been there since advent of man.
Kibaki was a genius introduced senator keg for the hustlers this has saved many hustlers who would have been wasted by changaa and kumi kumi. Kibaki himself loved white cap.
But it's very surprising now since Ruto is a teetotaler kalenjins now want to sober up instantly including dear pundit very laughable :D
Ruto should use his enegy in ensuring that alcohol is well regulated and produced not fake bonoko that kills, he should ensure people can afford cheap legal and safe alcohol for consumption otherwise trying to prohibit will make the poor go into kumi kumi and become blind,
Kalenjins have 0 investment in beer sector, Kalenjin aren't business oriented,thats why Ruto should leave all key economic decisions to GEMA to run.
Beer/alcohol business is a multi billion enterprise for GEMA, any attempt to cut that money would easily lead to liquidation of the initiator :)
kibaki didn't start keg...keg was started by moi regime with eabl...GEMA has serious alcohol and drug problem affecting it's young men....if you continue this way...you women will sure luhya n luo kids for you.For one alcohol den....how many lives get destroyed.Stop talking like an idiot and think.Ruto cannot just sit like Uhuru or kibaki....watch generations get wasted by miraa, alcohol and bettings.He will act like Moi did.Moi saved Kenya from Kenyatta mass alcoholism.How many merus are dealing with drug abuse....many...I drink but responsibly.The laws are there... counties need to stamp it out.... implement the drug control laws... build rehab centers in every county
Funny thing is you might be typing this in a drunken stupor in a bar somewhere celebrating Rutos win.
Bottom line is you can regulate the industry but not control it,its far too powerful for anyone,you can't control alcohol its even in Mecca my friend,when you sober up I will serve you more alcohol :D
POMBE SI MBAYA WATU NDIO WABAYA.
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Keg was started by kibaki..it appears..will check again
Kibaki was a genius
Ruto needs to match him or do better that way Kenya will near industrized countries in 10 years.
Pundit leave business to us.
Don't worry about the alcohol problem we have,its normal.
Dont worry if our women sire with luos luhyas,mostly those are Kiambu ones but still its nation building.
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Pundit the mlevi number one in Nipate whose sitting room is the bar is recomending to do away with drinking. Who is drunk now ?
Yeye na Uhuru mambo ya Ulevi wanapelekana one two one.
Abuse of Alcohol and drugs is not done away by banning. There is more into it.
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It looks like Azimio people are no longer in the forum after Raila kaput!. Now it is time for Kenya Kwanza to find the small differences and chew each other! It will be a boring 2022-2042!
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Pundit don't be narrow minded the Alcohol industry encompasses almost all sectors of economy. Pause and think.
Think about the farmers that grow sugar, sorghum,wheat,barley etc that are ingredients.
Think about transport sector the trucks vehicles etc uses in delivery ,Isuzu,CMC,Toyota dealership etc,
inside them thousands of drivers that operate them and their families.
What about the fuel they buy from shell,total,Rubi's,gulf,etc
Think about properties they rent or hire like go downs and other rental blocks to operate the business
Think about hoteliers and restaurants bars etc together with recreation events
Now think about the money they contributed to UDA campaign I have direct knowledge of that.
Think about Tabitha and Keroche bankrupt but joined UDA because she had a dream her alcohol business can be saved
Think how much money she has spent for UDA yet she is bankrupt
After all that thinking come and comment tomorrow or day after
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If you notice , its Pundit going after each and every person in Kenya Kwanza maybe with exception of you coz he is a Kalenjin Nationalist. He thinks he owns Ruto because Ruto is a Kalenjin where as its evident Ruto ideals are more of Kenyan Nationalist.
Pundit seems to be having relationship issues in real life. He is of Miguna character fights with everyone inside out including close relatives friends and enemies. He thinks he is the best of the best where as this life one need to be balanced.
Anyway cant blame him as he is a computer geek his early 20s where one forms his character he was only interacting with computers and machines. He wouldnt understand what acceptabilty and persuasition plays in discussion .If you have a contrary opinion yake ni matusi.
We will let him know even if Ruto is a Kalenjin , first and foremost he is Kenyan President, secondly his values and principles are built under vision Kenya. Just look how he has managed to distibute the current posts from DP to Speakers and their deputies in Parliament.
I was really impressed by him giving Kingi Senate speaker post. You saw even ODM senators from coast said to hell with Azimio . Kingi ni wetu. Do you know what this means 5 years down the lane?
It looks like Azimio people are no longer in the forum after Raila kaput!. Now it is time for Kenya Kwanza to find the small differences and chew each other! It will be a boring 2022-2042!
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My viewss on alcohol has not changed.Please morons use the search function..I support regulation..not banning of alcohol
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Pundit don't be narrow minded the Alcohol industry encompasses almost all sectors of economy. Pause and think.
Think about the farmers that grow sugar, sorghum,wheat,barley etc that are ingredients.
Think about transport sector the trucks vehicles etc uses in delivery ,Isuzu,CMC,Toyota dealership etc,
inside them thousands of drivers that operate them and their families.
What about the fuel they buy from shell,total,Rubi's,gulf,etc
Think about properties they rent or hire like go downs and other rental blocks to operate the business
Think about hoteliers and restaurants bars etc together with recreation events
Now think about the money they contributed to UDA campaign I have direct knowledge of that.
Think about Tabitha and Keroche bankrupt but joined UDA because she had a dream her alcohol business can be saved
Think how much money she has spent for UDA yet she is bankrupt
After all that thinking come and comment tomorrow or day after
You're an idiot if you can equate money to the damage alcohol has done to folks.Somrthing need to be done urgently in kiambu,muranga, Meru and other such areas.I support Waitutu actions on kiambu.I supported Isaac Ruto in bomet stern actions.i supported jubilee 1.0 stern action on alcohol.I supported Moi on that.We cannot allow alcohol,miraa and betting to go out of control.I control my alcohol.I know many who need gov to help control theirs. Uhuru need gov to help control his drug problem.Muthutho laws need implementation
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If you notice , its Pundit going after each and every person in Kenya Kwanza maybe with exception of you coz he is a Kalenjin Nationalist. He thinks he owns Ruto because Ruto is a Kalenjin where as its evident Ruto ideals are more of Kenyan Nationalist.
Pundit seems to be having relationship issues in real life. He is of Miguna character fights with everyone inside out including close relatives friends and enemies. He thinks he is the best of the best where as this life one need to be balanced.
Anyway cant blame him as he is a computer geek his early 20s where one forms his character he was only interacting with computers and machines. He wouldnt understand what acceptabilty and persuasition plays in discussion .If you have a contrary opinion yake ni matusi.
We will let him know even if Ruto is a Kalenjin , first and foremost he is Kenyan President, secondly his values and principles are built under vision Kenya. Just look how he has managed to distibute the current posts from DP to Speakers and their deputies in Parliament.
I was really impressed by him giving Kingi Senate speaker post. You saw even ODM senators from coast said to hell with Azimio . Kingi ni wetu. Do you know what this means 5 years down the lane?
It looks like Azimio people are no longer in the forum after Raila kaput!. Now it is time for Kenya Kwanza to find the small differences and chew each other! It will be a boring 2022-2042!
You're simping online.Folks know me.I have not changed for 20yrs online...used this same moniker and my ideas remain.Why would I want to own Ruto.I want Ruto to do certain things for Kenya... including a little bit of discipline and responsibility in our reckless society.How can someone develop kiambu without fixing obvious drug menace.Waitutu without much education realized that was top priority..Ruto will fail if he tries to be loved like Uhuru...the hardwork that about to start can only happen if Ruto stretches the limit of what dictatorship can happen in our democracy.If people drink they way they want... problems .Uhuru will no become the most hated person..by both sides...Luo crew are just slowly turning on him claiming he failed them...Uda crew if course see his betrayal...so someone who started trying to get loved by everyone...will end up hated by everyone.Ruto should from next week crack the whip.. transformation will not happen without citizens doing their part.
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Ruto himself has lost a brother to alcohol..liver disease.Many families in Kenya are grappling with one or two brothers mostly battling drug abuse.It need to be top priority.We need to control and regulate.We need rehab centers.We need to preach against it.Chiefs should crackdown.Gov should do something to keep people busy.. make sure bars don't open daytime...I would even move the opening hours from 5 to 7....this way nobody get see any drunkard person daytime.
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I remember him , he was frequent during Karaoke Nights at Tropez/Tribeka. He seemed an okei guy but you could see him battling with some demons. A far cry from his brilliant brother.
Ruto himself has lost a brother to alcohol..liver disease.Many families in Kenya are grappling with one or two brothers mostly battling drug abuse.It need to be top priority.We need to control and regulate.We need rehab centers.We need to preach against it.Chiefs should crackdown.Gov should do something to keep people busy.. make sure bars don't open daytime...I would even move the opening hours from 5 to 7....this way nobody get see any drunkard person daytime.
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Maina Kamanda blames our economic problem on leadership by Ulevi. He is right
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Alcohol abuse destroy mostly brilliant people - turn them into madmen. Most Kalenjin cannot digest alcohol - and very suspectible to alcoholism. You dont see a lot of alcohol problem in proper bantu countries like Uganda or Luhyaland or such areas. However you will see it parts of Kenya with lots of gene flow from Northern Africa - and in South Africa - the bantus there have Khoisan or aboriginal blood - who are even more hopeless drunks.
In the US - the aboroginal (red indians) cannot digest alcohol - and have been completely destroyed by it. Russians and Europeans can drink it for lunch - but most of us cannot.
Special attention is required in Kenya - esp in Rift valley and GEMA regions - to deal with alcohol abuse! In Western kenya - I lived there - it non issue. Luhya drink alcohol - rarely do you find people who are hopelessly drunk. In Uganda - they drink more heavily - I rarely saw alcoholics.
If a Somali drink alcohol - they will probably collapse - because alcohol is totally alien to their digestive system.
Same with cocaine or heroine - Europeans can snort and go to work - a african will become hopeless addict if he attempts.
I remember him , he was frequent during Karaoke Nights at Tropez/Tribeka. He seemed an okei guy but you could see him battling with some demons. A far cry from his brilliant brother.
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I now fully believe Noway when he said pundit is an ODMer Pundit you're a ODM MORON the ones we fought since 07 you clearly have a problem with GEMA enterprise,I repeat we wouldn't allow any joke in that industry it gives us annually 7B$ almost 800 billion Kenya shillings across board.
Come back to health and alcohol of course there must be strong regulations to manage this sector we don't have a problem with that, actually like I said Ruto needs to invest so that price of legal safe alcohol like tuskers go to around 100 per bottle hii ndio maendeleo tunataka we want our hustlers to afford Jameson,Jack Daniels at 600 mzinga locally ones at 200 mzinga we do away with poison alcohol ,
You can't wake up one morning and try to reinvent the wheel,eti moi saved Kenya and bla bla bla,Kibaki used to drink very well and rescued us from moi stone age era.
I have also lost loved ones to alcohol last December we buried one of relatives,you can't stop people from drinking create opportunities for them TO BE BUSY NOT IDLE ,but in your small mind pundit you think otherwise
To fight alcohol excessive consumption it's simple People should be employed or busy working otherwise,then less time they will get and when they get beer they have discipline as they have responsibilities to attend to
Look at Europeans and Americans they consumer per capita x12 what we consume annually but hey they are far gazillions miles ahead of us in economics and health. It's all about shifting power to the people giving them responsibilities.
Do not fight ALCOHOL WITHOUT CREATING CONDUSIVE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, otherwise pundit you are a dotard
People like you need to be kept miles away from Mzito Ruto you will contaminate his mind.
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Discuss real issues - not nonsense about ODM or not. Get over Ruto this or that. This is our country - ODM or not.
I have been pro heavy regulation on alcohol, miraa and betting.
Jubilee 1.0 did very well - in that front - and I supported.
Again dont blindly copy what Europeans do - like we have previously discussed - Europeans and Bantus can digest alcohol - others cannot.
Kalenjin can digest milk - many bantus cannot digest milk.
This just nature of life.
Marwa is definitely a bantu word. The societies that produces lots of grains & startch like Bantus & Europeans - were able to regularly produce beer - and got used to digesting them.
Aboriginal of US - have been decimated by European alcohol.
Maybe Merus can handle Miraa - other people cannot. Tanzania banned it.
Therefore for me - given this is mostly now a devolved function - I want counties in places like Kalenjin land to go hard on alcohol.
Moi banned completely alcohol consumption in Baringo for 24yrs - there were no license.
For economic front - there are many countries where alcohol industry is zero - many muslim countries - and they are fine.
So if your beer or bar business is affected - you can always sell milk
Bottomline - I expect Ruto to work with counties to strictly ENFORCE the existing laws on drug control - as urgent measure - before mass employment is fully rolled out.
I want him to eventually classify Miraa in Kenya as a drug. You can take your meru votes and jump into Nithi river with it if you cannot grow avacados instead of miraa. I am sure Ruto will find replacement :)
I want Ruto to immediately regulate sport and those fake media betting.
China went down for a century because of opium, betting and all that. That is why drugs in China is DEATH SENTENCE.BETTING is ILLEGAL except in the small island of Macau. China knows what drugs and betting can do to a country.
Start opening milk bars in Kalenjin land instead of beer bars if you're interested in money
Maybe breweries can also sell ginger thing that is sold in Nigeria - taste like alcohol - is zero alcohol.
I now fully believe Noway when he said pundit is an ODMer Pundit you're a ODM MORON the ones we fought since 07 you clearly have a problem with GEMA enterprise,I repeat we wouldn't allow any joke in that industry it gives us annually 7B$ almost 800 billion Kenya shillings across board.
Come back to health and alcohol of course there must be strong regulations to manage this sector we don't have a problem with that, actually like I said Ruto needs to invest so that price of legal safe alcohol like tuskers go to around 100 per bottle hii ndio maendeleo tunataka we want our hustlers to afford Jameson,Jack Daniels at 600 mzinga locally ones at 200 mzinga we do away with poison alcohol ,
You can't wake up one morning and try to reinvent the wheel,eti moi saved Kenya and bla bla bla,Kibaki used to drink very well and rescued us from moi stone age era.
I have also lost loved ones to alcohol last December we buried one of relatives,you can't stop people from drinking create opportunities for them TO BE BUSY NOT IDLE ,but in your small mind pundit you think otherwise
To fight alcohol excessive consumption it's simple People should be employed or busy working otherwise,then less time they will get and when they get beer they have discipline as they have responsibilities to attend to
Look at Europeans and Americans they consumer per capita x12 what we consume annually but hey they are far gazillions miles ahead of us in economics and health. It's all about shifting power to the people giving them responsibilities.
Do not fight ALCOHOL WITHOUT CREATING CONDUSIVE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT, otherwise pundit you are a dotard
People like you need to be kept miles away from Mzito Ruto you will contaminate his mind.