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My story about Ruto.
« on: September 06, 2022, 08:55:27 AM »
Apart from RVHH here - I have keenly followed Ruto steps since 1998. I didnt see much of Y2k of early 90s.

1998 - 1st term Mp -  he was a bit player with Kirwa, Late Kapten, Jirongo and KANU (B)/ UDM who were fighting old KANU A . Ruto/Kirwa crew who revolved around Uasin-Gishu-Tranzoia - and were generally trying to start a Nandi rebellion against Moi. Their biggest beef beyond Moi messing up Maize & KCC - was EATEC large wattle land in present day Kapseret. The Tugen-Keiyo elites wanted to buy - and Nandis organized to repulse them.

Anyway his rebellion was short-lived and soon Moi made him Ass Min of State - Moi had like 4 minister under Harambee - and Ruto disappeared from my radar. Mark Too and Raila would dominate the 1999-2001 with their cooperation.

It wasnt until 2001/2002 that Ruto would re-appear. This time as proxy of Gideon Moi & Uhuru Kenyatta. He had managed to win trust of Moi - by his brilliance and was competing with Kamotho for KANU spokesmanship - as he is well spoken - and avid debater both in parliament and outside. He was only KANU mp who could hold a debate with most of brilliant opposition Mps.

What really made me notice Ruto was when I learnt that Biwott had been kicked out of Kitchen cabinet - by Gideon Moi - and replaced by WSR. That was almost outragous - Biwott had been Moi righthand man - as official PA since 1970s - and business partner - bag carrier - together with Kulei who was personal PA. To kick out Biwott from Moi kitchen was clear demonstration that Ruto had not come to joke.

Although I hated KANU - I followed Ruto inspired and led - Youth KANU fresh campaign for Uhuru in 2002 - with great admiration. Ruto had almost successfully branded the opposition and KANU older folks as too old baggage who needed to retire with Moi - for if Moi was retiring - why would they stay longer?

It took Raila's Tosha - to save Kenya - as truly Ruto, Uhuru and Gideon were just not ready for prime time. They were barely in their 30s and early 40s - and were pure greenhorns.

Subequently in 2003 - there was small succession war btw Gideon and Ruto on who would inherit Kalenjin & KANU leadership. Gideon lost as he was just incapable of leading even two goats. KANU was then essentially Kiambu & Kalenjin party - The Kiambu (kikuyu) crew immediately run to Kibaki - and Uhuru was left as loner. Ruto essentially became KANU leader.

Now btw 2003 - 2005 - Ruto real mentle - showed. As everyone cowed with NARC lynch mob baying for any KANU/Kalenjin blood - Ruto couragously stood and took on the official opposition role. It's was initially akward for KANU to oppose anything - with their history as the most evil party - but with time Ruto found enough voice - to make Kibaki crew scared.

As the NARC crew got into their own corruption - Ruto opposition voice grew - and in desperate attempt to clip him - Kiraitu and company arrested Ruto together with Kulei for Ngong land deals. Ruto was out after weekend - and continued hitting NARC - his courage at this point earned him his Kalenjin nickname - Nyiganet - the brave one.

And soon was joined by LPK crew (Raila-Kalonzo) who felt betrayed by NAK crew.

2005 Bomas - Ruto was now de-facto KANU chair - while Uhuru was just one man crew - and soon Ruto joint hands with Raila & kalonzo to oppose constitution. Ruto was still a baby compared to Raila in crowd mobilization.

When referendum results were out - Kibaki crew got even more angry at Ruto - because not only had he mobilized Kalenjin to oppose it - but also Kalenjin turnout was so high - Kibaki crew claimed Ruto had rigged.

Ruto was now the kingmaker to decide btw Kalonzo and Raila. Ruto favoured Kalonzo and was unconformtable with Raila - because 1) he would be hard to win - un-electability of Raila/Luos is longstanding issue in kenya - 2) he was forceful character - however the kalenjin as they got angier with kibaki/GEMA crew - they wanted someone who was their antidote - and Raila rose from being un-electable to win ODM ticket - although Kalonzo bolted out.

From 2007 - and with Kalenjin again voting 99 percent for Raila - and with worse violence from Kalenjin that was wrongly attributed to Ruto - everyone now knew  about Ruto - he had arrived in national pysche - he was dead man walking/kabuga for his enemies - he was a hero to his admirers  - and his story - pretty much everyones knows from there.

Ruto incredible political journey is just about started. In 10yrs - I suspect all kenyans will in unison remove the two term limits and allow Ruto to rule kenya indefenitely :) - for he would have transformed the country in ways you cannot imagine.

Ruto is the most complete, the most consumate politician ever in kenya. He is incredibly disciplined, couragous, hardworking, gifted with cab/orator, quick thinker, tenancious, ambitious and just doesnt know what failure is. Expecting Ruto to fail is setting yourself to fail. Ruto will do all that is humanly possible to suceed.

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Re: My story about Ruto.
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2022, 09:14:33 AM »
Fraud. Complete fraud.

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Re: My story about Ruto.
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2022, 09:19:00 AM »
Ruto is cunning.
That some slow people call corruption or thieving or fraud.
Ruto is hard nosed negotiator.
Fraud. Complete fraud.

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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2022, 09:29:06 AM »
Ask the likes of yebei wherever they are .

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2022, 04:21:30 PM »
Apart from RVHH here - I have keenly followed Ruto steps since 1998. I didnt see much of Y2k of early 90s.

1998 - 1st term Mp -  he was a bit player with Kirwa, Late Kapten, Jirongo and KANU (B)/ UDM who were fighting old KANU A . Ruto/Kirwa crew who revolved around Uasin-Gishu-Tranzoia - and were generally trying to start a Nandi rebellion against Moi. Their biggest beef beyond Moi messing up Maize & KCC - was EATEC large wattle land in present day Kapseret. The Tugen-Keiyo elites wanted to buy - and Nandis organized to repulse them.

Anyway his rebellion was short-lived and soon Moi made him Ass Min of State - Moi had like 4 minister under Harambee - and Ruto disappeared from my radar. Mark Too and Raila would dominate the 1999-2001 with their cooperation.

It wasnt until 2001/2002 that Ruto would re-appear. This time as proxy of Gideon Moi & Uhuru Kenyatta. He had managed to win trust of Moi - by his brilliance and was competing with Kamotho for KANU spokesmanship - as he is well spoken - and avid debater both in parliament and outside. He was only KANU mp who could hold a debate with most of brilliant opposition Mps.

What really made me notice Ruto was when I learnt that Biwott had been kicked out of Kitchen cabinet - by Gideon Moi - and replaced by WSR. That was almost outragous - Biwott had been Moi righthand man - as official PA since 1970s - and business partner - bag carrier - together with Kulei who was personal PA. To kick out Biwott from Moi kitchen was clear demonstration that Ruto had not come to joke.

Although I hated KANU - I followed Ruto inspired and led - Youth KANU fresh campaign for Uhuru in 2002 - with great admiration. Ruto had almost successfully branded the opposition and KANU older folks as too old baggage who needed to retire with Moi - for if Moi was retiring - why would they stay longer?

It took Raila's Tosha - to save Kenya - as truly Ruto, Uhuru and Gideon were just not ready for prime time. They were barely in their 30s and early 40s - and were pure greenhorns.

Subequently in 2003 - there was small succession war btw Gideon and Ruto on who would inherit Kalenjin & KANU leadership. Gideon lost as he was just incapable of leading even two goats. KANU was then essentially Kiambu & Kalenjin party - The Kiambu (kikuyu) crew immediately run to Kibaki - and Uhuru was left as loner. Ruto essentially became KANU leader.

Now btw 2003 - 2005 - Ruto real mentle - showed. As everyone cowed with NARC lynch mob baying for any KANU/Kalenjin blood - Ruto couragously stood and took on the official opposition role. It's was initially akward for KANU to oppose anything - with their history as the most evil party - but with time Ruto found enough voice - to make Kibaki crew scared.

As the NARC crew got into their own corruption - Ruto opposition voice grew - and in desperate attempt to clip him - Kiraitu and company arrested Ruto together with Kulei for Ngong land deals. Ruto was out after weekend - and continued hitting NARC - his courage at this point earned him his Kalenjin nickname - Nyiganet - the brave one.

And soon was joined by LPK crew (Raila-Kalonzo) who felt betrayed by NAK crew.

2005 Bomas - Ruto was now de-facto KANU chair - while Uhuru was just one man crew - and soon Ruto joint hands with Raila & kalonzo to oppose constitution. Ruto was still a baby compared to Raila in crowd mobilization.

When referendum results were out - Kibaki crew got even more angry at Ruto - because not only had he mobilized Kalenjin to oppose it - but also Kalenjin turnout was so high - Kibaki crew claimed Ruto had rigged.

Ruto was now the kingmaker to decide btw Kalonzo and Raila. Ruto favoured Kalonzo and was unconformtable with Raila - because 1) he would be hard to win - un-electability of Raila/Luos is longstanding issue in kenya - 2) he was forceful character - however the kalenjin as they got angier with kibaki/GEMA crew - they wanted someone who was their antidote - and Raila rose from being un-electable to win ODM ticket - although Kalonzo bolted out.

From 2007 - and with Kalenjin again voting 99 percent for Raila - and with worse violence from Kalenjin that was wrongly attributed to Ruto - everyone now knew  about Ruto - he had arrived in national pysche - he was dead man walking/kabuga for his enemies - he was a hero to his admirers  - and his story - pretty much everyones knows from there.

Ruto incredible political journey is just about started. In 10yrs - I suspect all kenyans will in unison remove the two term limits and allow Ruto to rule kenya indefenitely :) - for he would have transformed the country in ways you cannot imagine.

Ruto is the most complete, the most consumate politician ever in kenya. He is incredibly disciplined, couragous, hardworking, gifted with cab/orator, quick thinker, tenancious, ambitious and just doesnt know what failure is. Expecting Ruto to fail is setting yourself to fail. Ruto will do all that is humanly possible to suceed.
You are spot on. He loves order, integrity in Government, and economic growth. Like Kagame, there a possibility majority of Kenyans will want him to rule for a long time, but I suspect he will turn it down because he is the champion of Rule of law and constitution. 10 years and 10 years of his project is all he is seeking, so we are looking at 20 years of RVGEMA 2.0 rule that efficient, effective, and transformative. Moi of 1983-2001, Kibaki of coalition, and Uhuru regimes were liabilities. Ruto will be an asset of Kenya!
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Re: My story about Ruto.
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2022, 04:25:25 PM »
Ruto is not clean (not sure why you and rv pundit keep saying he believes in rule of law and integrity) no politician in kienya is clean but if he fixes the economy which is Africa's biggest issue, if he reduces the poverty, then i'll consider his presidency a success.  I'll even overlook his corruption

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2022, 04:43:52 PM »
Ruto is not clean (not sure why you and rv pundit keep saying he believes in rule of law and integrity) no politician in kienya is clean but if he fixes the economy which is Africa's biggest issue, if he reduces the poverty, then i'll consider his presidency a success.  I'll even overlook his corruption
He is very, super clean. All the allegations you've heard about him are hogwash and hot air. Anytime you hear scandal around his name is probably his incompetent employees, someone trying to taint his reputation or just media sensationalism. He remains the guy that cannot be corrupted in Kenya. Most Kenyans will trust and believe in him the way I do in about 2-3 years. I think it takes quite some time to relentlessly clean a name after dynasty media, jealous people, and political competitors soil one's name through fake information. You right now are spreading fake news about him unknowingly. Do you have evidence from the court that he is corrupt? Has he been charged anywhere?
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2022, 06:44:18 AM »
Interesting long read, Ruto intelligence is almost to genius, the guy has a shining star, baba needs accept that its God's will Ruto has destiny and the destiny Ruto will transform Kenya almost to an industrized country by 2032.
However Ruto should avoid these pitfalls and kind of friends that can ruin his goal namely Farouk and Linturi because Rutos weakness is women,its clear because growing in a poor background Ruto didn't have the trappings to get women while young and from sources if he keeps time with those 2 characters who are known womanizers it will ruin him.
As a man obviously he needs an extra woman like we all do here and there but he should go chini ya maji and get a mature one not slay queens. Beating Rachel Should NOW STOP.

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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2022, 01:37:26 PM »
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Do you have evidence from the court that he is corrupt? Has he been charged anywhere?

Who in Kenya at that level is ever charged? they are all corrupt including him

What is this I keep hearing about him beating Rachel?

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2022, 03:56:31 PM »
Strong leader. People will work.

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2022, 04:06:40 PM »
That is just the start. If it was up to him, he may outlaw alcohol and drugs in Kenya. Having about 20 million sober people is enough to lift economy and build stable families where father and mother are present at all times. Wealth creation starts right there at the family!
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2022, 04:48:33 PM »
Alcohol, drugs and betting should be amongst top priority in kenya. Ruto is the best guy to deal with menace. I would ban all these useless betting - and for alcohol & drugs - there has to be very strict enforcement of the law or something.

That is just the start. If it was up to him, he may outlaw alcohol and drugs in Kenya. Having about 20 million sober people is enough to lift economy and build stable families where father and mother are present at all times. Wealth creation starts right there at the family!

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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2022, 08:25:58 AM »
Ruto shouldn't mix his personal preferences with business otherwise he will go up in smoke.
Beer/ alcohol business is a huge sector anywhere in the world, governments have been brought down by merely just trying to stop alcohol, gatheca himself is a victim of this too when he tried to kill the business in mlima.
Even in Saudi Arabia alcohol flows its only thats its underground the government knows it but looks the other way as even most consumers are the royal family.
Ruto shouldn't waste his time trying to control what was there  since biblical times. 2 things you can never control in the world

1. Prostitution
2. Alcohol

Beer /alcohol industry in Kenya is almost 95% controlled by GEMA,from the producers to distributers and even consumers, touching that can easily lead to his demise.

Meru is Numero uno in beer consumption in Kenya

POMBE SI MBAYA,WATU NDIO WABAYA.

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2022, 09:42:56 AM »
Control is needed to deal with alcoholism

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2022, 01:27:31 PM »
Control is needed to deal with alcoholism

Why such high rates of alcoholism in Kenya? I blame the poverty and unemployment rates. Young people are idle, depressed, frustrated, don't see a future for themselves and are turning to alcohol to soothe them.  Betting and gambling just needs to be banned outright especially in a country with so many poor and desperate people.

The other issue women MP's need to work on is bringing about a child support enforcement law. Too many deadbeat fathers (even men with jobs have multiple kids with too many different women that they are not supporting) Kenyan men need to be forced into responsbility.

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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2022, 02:31:53 PM »
Yes there is need for more discipline and responsible citizens

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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2022, 02:35:26 PM »
There has to be a compromise. For instance, all licences for wines and spirits in residential areas need to be revoked. Let it be in CBD, markets or we create designated areas like Bypasses, malls. Those hustlers will have to get hit.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2022, 04:40:12 PM »
Moi tried and we ended up with Masandukuni (remember that?) people putting beer crates right outside bars because the bars were forced to "close" lol

The underlying issue is poverty and unemployment (you can't just tell people to stop drinking when they are poor and jobless)

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2022, 04:52:43 PM »
Agreed - otherwise we have serious drug problem esp in GEMA and RV.
There has to be a compromise. For instance, all licences for wines and spirits in residential areas need to be revoked. Let it be in CBD, markets or we create designated areas like Bypasses, malls. Those hustlers will have to get hit.

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2022, 04:54:48 PM »
Moi managed to reign in a very serious problem.
Moi tried and we ended up with Masandukuni (remember that?) people putting beer crates right outside bars because the bars were forced to "close" lol

The underlying issue is poverty and unemployment (you can't just tell people to stop drinking when they are poor and jobless)