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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on April 27, 2022, 06:40:36 PM
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His senator Wambua has been picked in a comittee where he is outnumbered 6-1.
Wiper should not have accepted any such comittee - and should have stuck to No Kalonzo No Raila
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-04-27-raila-appoints-7-member-panel-to-vet-potential-running-mates/
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Evident what the outcome will be.
Usually the running mate is chosen through negotiations.
Kalonzo was talking of a Volcano erupting.This is coming to pass.
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He has lost on the process.
He should have insisted running mate is decision btw 3 principals
But he already lost that three principals three legged move
The man has been outwitted and outmanourved by Uhuru.
He aint getting that DPORK...from either Ruto or Raila.
Now what does he do? He has until may 2nd to register as independent candidate and run.
But Azimio wont break the news until 15th May.
So at that point - he either suck it up in Azimio or join Ruto in UDA.
If I was him - I would give Raila three days - 1st May - to pick him or not.
Then resign as Wiper candidate - and register as Independent Candidate on 2nd May deadline.
That should take him back to the market...now he can renegotiate with either of the teams.
But who knows - maybe Wiper can still present him as presidential candidate - they already filled a complain with registar regarding Azimio - so they can say it was never consumated.
Evident what the outcome will be.
Usually the running mate is chosen through negotiations.
Kalonzo was talking of a Volcano erupting.This is coming to pass.
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It is starting to look like mbimbi yaye circus. Coalition - signature - mara no signature.
Council - now panel.
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Yeah - it time wasting designed to emotional drain the victim until he accept the predetermined outcome.
It is starting to look like mbimbi yaye circus. Coalition - signature - mara no signature.
Council - now panel.
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Honestly this dude has been in politics for over 30 years. Why not just retire? What is it with Kenyans that just can't retire? Is they nothing else to do in that country besides village politics, 24/7? Africans need to start finding other ways of pre-occupying their brains after a certain period of time. All these washed up political hacks just keep re-cycling themselves every 5 years. No wonder they are no new ideas.
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Alfred Mutua did not hide what is going on in Azimio in the last interview. Everything written and signed in Azimio is meant to trap Kalonzo until after the elections. Looks like now the only left is to issue threats and huge smiles with DP. Nothing more. He is becoming toothless by the minute. What is true, though, is that a lot of kambas will vote for Ruto without reciprocity. They will be voting for strength Ruto oozes...nothing else!
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That was also my first impression when I saw the composition of that committee :72:
His senator Wambua has been picked in a comittee where he is outnumbered 6-1.
Wiper should not have accepted any such comittee - and should have stuck to No Kalonzo No Raila
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-04-27-raila-appoints-7-member-panel-to-vet-potential-running-mates/
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If I was him - I would give Raila three days - 1st May - to pick him or not.
Then resign as Wiper candidate - and register as Independent Candidate on 2nd May deadline.
But who knows - maybe Wiper can still present him as presidential candidate.
It won't be the first time Kalonzo is playing such a stunt. In a past election he run off with the ODM 'key' under a party name he registered as ODM-Kenya. When Raila in a stroke of genius, bought the original ODM certificate from the mumeru who registered ODM, Kalonzo ended up with a paltry 8% at the poll. That is all Kalonzo ever bargains with. This time if he goes independent, he will drop to 4% which will be insignificant to save ruto from a routing.
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But kalonzo became VP and got three minister.I am looking what is best for kalonzo as human being..that is what I do..give the best advice.Kalonzo if he misses dpork in Azimio has two options..run alone hoping to force a second round where his premium will hit the roof or work with Azimio or Ruto.. become the spare of the spare wheel.
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It has been in the news today, in this moaning period. Kalonzo today was asked whether it was a mistake for him to accept the VP position after he had performed dismally in the 2007 election? His response apparently caught off guard by this question, is that ,"it was his democratic right to be VP". Is the best comeback from a politician that has been at it 30+ years?
But kalonzo became VP and got three minister.I am looking what is best for kalonzo as human being..that is what I do..give the best advice.Kalonzo if he misses dpork in Azimio has two options..run alone hoping to force a second round where his premium will hit the roof or work with Azimio or Ruto.. become the spare of the spare wheel.
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They want to give him Chief Minister like Ruto promised MaDVD
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRZjRyHUcAMHfct?format=jpg&name=small)
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Seem to be growing some cojones
I Will not Apply for Running Mate Position to be Vetted by a Panel Constituted by Raila Odinga.
~ Hon Kalonzo Musyoka.
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Weta tell kalonzo hiyo madharau. Let them call Kalonzo and tell them he aint getting DPORK than subjecting him to this humiliation.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-04-28-dont-humiliate-yourself-wetangula-tells-kalonzo-over-vetting-of-railas-deputy/
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Kalonzo is okay - he is not being fooled - he is selling himself as 2027 PORK :)
Unlike Mdvd Kalonzo repeatedly says he does not have to be DPORK. This committee helps to explain to Kamba - how DPORK will be mere PORK assistant - while real job is for chief minister. Raila as BBI sponsor can credibly promise to have a PM... Ruto can only have a Duale after his tantrums and stiff opposition to BBI and Matiang'i.
Expect committee to propose Karua DPORK, Kalonzo chief minister. Professor Makau already has the memo - it just motions.
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Explain to Kalonzo first.
Negotiate with him and his key folks until they buy in.
Then it easy for him to explain to Kambas.
These things are brought in as PR once the ticket has been settled on.
Then Kalonzo will play along and say too bad - the team decided on Martha.
It appears in this case - PR has been brought as a FIX :)
Basically Azimio is in big trouble.
Putting the cart before the horse.
Kalonzo is okay - he is not being fooled - he is selling himself as 2027 PORK :)
Unlike Mdvd Kalonzo repeatedly says he does not have to be DPORK. This committee helps to explain to Kamba - how DPORK will be mere PORK assistant - while real job is for chief minister. Raila as BBI sponsor can credibly promise to have a PM... Ruto can only have a Duale after his tantrums and stiff opposition to BBI and Matiang'i.
Expect committee to propose Karua DPORK, Kalonzo chief minister. Professor Makau already has the memo - it just motions.
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Kalonzo is not as stupid as you wish... before he joined Azimio you praised his negotiation skill - how he refused to back Uhuru-Mdvd in 2002 - and Kibaki in 2007. Once he was in Azimio - you turned on him - now he is very stupid. You are just praying Azimio implodes but it won't.
The initial coalition tantrums - were so that it becomes Azimio-OKA and the "win" saved Kalonzo face as real partner with Raila & Uhuru. You see him in Nairobi brokering line-up - basically Jubilee-Wiper forced ODM Tim to stand down.
Now this.. is obviously more PR - Kalonzo for chief minister - BBI-PM mold. This will be presented as Kalonzo win. Kalonzo fight is smart fight - to show Kamba he (and Wiper) is the one fighting for their stake not Mutua or Ngilu. That the only agenda I see - no genuine beef with Raila or Uhuru.
Meantime in KK... is there a plan to assauge Luhya how 1st term Gachagua or Ndindi - is better than Mdvd? At least Karua or PK are veterans. The 30% power-sharing lie does not pass the smell test.
Explain to Kalonzo first.
Negotiate with him and his key folks until they buy in.
Then it easy for him to explain to Kambas.
These things are brought in as PR once the ticket has been settled on.
Then Kalonzo will play along and say too bad - the team decided on Martha.
It appears in this case - PR has been brought as a FIX :)
Basically Azimio is in big trouble.
Putting the cart before the horse.
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Pundit if you waiting for Kalonzo to take your "advice" - (threaten to) run as independent - utangoja kweli. Why can't Mdvd do the same - to be Ruto DPORK - or are you only concerned with Kalonzo welfare :)
Is Mdvd a "simp" or what. Smh
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Some of you speak too soon and declare victory too soon.
Ni kama BBI tu - you're going to be taken in circles where you declare small victories along the way - but eventually you find yourself in the same spot.
Same spot. 5yrs later. Zero work done.
Good thing this issue will be resolved in two weeks...deadline was pushed from today to 15th may.
MaDVD clearly negotiated - not get DPORK - and he has been playing PR of taking Luhya pole pole to accept it.
Kalonzo and his people are clearly crying everywhere.
Meantime - cries of small parties can no longer be muted.
Three now want out.
Next is wiper.
Before you know - you look left - no people - you look right - no people.
Only Gideon Moi and Uhuru Kenyatta :D
Kalonzo is not as stupid as you wish... before he joined Azimio you praised his negotiation skill - how he refused to back Uhuru-Mdvd in 2002 - and Kibaki in 2007. Once he was in Azimio - you turned on him - now he is very stupid. You are just praying Azimio implodes but it won't.
The initial coalition tantrums - were so that it becomes Azimio-OKA and the "win" saved Kalonzo face as real partner with Raila & Uhuru. You see him in Nairobi brokering line-up - basically Jubilee-Wiper forced ODM Tim to stand down.
Now this.. is obviously more PR - Kalonzo for chief minister - BBI-PM mold. This will be presented as Kalonzo win. Kalonzo fight is smart fight - to show Kamba he (and Wiper) is the one fighting for their stake not Mutua or Ngilu. That the only agenda I see - no genuine beef with Raila or Uhuru.
Meantime in KK... is there a plan to assauge Luhya how 1st term Gachagua or Ndindi - is better than Mdvd? At least Karua or PK are veterans. The 30% power-sharing lie does not pass the smell test.
Explain to Kalonzo first.
Negotiate with him and his key folks until they buy in.
Then it easy for him to explain to Kambas.
These things are brought in as PR once the ticket has been settled on.
Then Kalonzo will play along and say too bad - the team decided on Martha.
It appears in this case - PR has been brought as a FIX :)
Basically Azimio is in big trouble.
Putting the cart before the horse.
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Noone was played or cheated on BBI - Uhuru & Raila were very genuine. As far as Azimio & Kenyans are concerned Ruto sent Havi & GM to kill BBI in court. Raila can still credibly give Kalonzo PM and promise real power-sharing. Ruto can't.
Kalonzo is not being cheated - you see what you want to see. Kalonzo is in fight with Mutua, Ngilu, Kivutha - and want to lock Kamba. 3 or 4 legged stool in Azimio is Kamba affair... and the fight is in fact good for Raila.
Sijaona matharao ama shida yoyote in Azimio-Kamba. It Weta making such noises - while he has nothing to show for backing Ruto. With Sakaja in UDA Mdvd fool obviously been conned. Even Khalwale is UDA :) - right there in Kakamega. The bimbo already settled for Yattani job - down from PORK.
Kalonzo has done better PR in Kamba than Mdvd in Luhya.
Some of you speak too soon and declare victory too soon.
Ni kama BBI tu - you're going to be taken in circles where you declare small victories along the way - but eventually you find yourself in the same spot.
Same spot. 5yrs later. Zero work done.
Good thing this issue will be resolved in two weeks...deadline was pushed from today to 15th may.
MaDVD clearly negotiated - not get DPORK - and he has been playing PR of taking Luhya pole pole to accept it.
Kalonzo and his people are clearly crying everywhere.
Meantime - cries of small parties can no longer be muted.
Three now want out.
Next is wiper.
Before you know - you look left - no people - you look right - no people.
Only Gideon Moi and Uhuru Kenyatta :D
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Naivety - BBI was time wasting dead on arrival project.
Kalonzo - is not happy...it's not Weta..it him and his folks who are crying all over town...humilation.
4 parties are already out.
Next is Kalonzo.
I am also praying they put Martha Karua as Raila DPORK :)
Then there is no need for election.
I have 10 acres land I am waiting to purchase as soon as Martha is made DPORK.
Noone was played or cheated on BBI - Uhuru & Raila were very genuine. As far as Azimio & Kenyans are concerned Ruto sent Havi & GM to kill BBI in court. Raila can still credibly give Kalonzo PM and promise real power-sharing. Ruto can't.
Kalonzo is not being cheated - you see what you want to see. Kalonzo is in fight with Mutua, Ngilu, Kivutha - and want to lock Kamba. 3 or 4 legged stool in Azimio is Kamba affair... and the fight is in fact good for Raila.
Sijaona matharao ama shida yoyote in Azimio-Kamba. It Weta making such noises - while he has nothing to show for backing Ruto. With Sakaja in UDA Mdvd fool obviously been conned. Even Khalwale is UDA :) - right there in Kakamega. The bimbo already settled for Yattani job - down from PORK.
Kalonzo has done better PR in Kamba than Mdvd in Luhya.
Some of you speak too soon and declare victory too soon.
Ni kama BBI tu - you're going to be taken in circles where you declare small victories along the way - but eventually you find yourself in the same spot.
Same spot. 5yrs later. Zero work done.
Good thing this issue will be resolved in two weeks...deadline was pushed from today to 15th may.
MaDVD clearly negotiated - not get DPORK - and he has been playing PR of taking Luhya pole pole to accept it.
Kalonzo and his people are clearly crying everywhere.
Meantime - cries of small parties can no longer be muted.
Three now want out.
Next is wiper.
Before you know - you look left - no people - you look right - no people.
Only Gideon Moi and Uhuru Kenyatta :D
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Raila DPORK is either Martha or PK.. not Gideon or Muhoho which is UDA fervent prayer.
Let us all know when Kalonzo bolt Azimio to be run as independent or join Ruto. Genuine fight from Kalonzo we have seen before - in ODM-K with Raila - this is just kid gloves with Mutua and Ngilu. Strictly inside Azimio ring.
Naivety - BBI was time wasting dead on arrival project.
Kalonzo - is not happy...it's not Weta..it him and his folks who are crying all over town...humilation.
4 parties are already out.
Next is Kalonzo.
I am also praying they put Martha Karua as Raila DPORK :)
Then there is no need for election.
I have 10 acres land I am waiting to purchase as soon as Martha is made DPORK.
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The Kambas have spoken once again. Kalonzo as Raila's deputy= Kamba votes. Anything contrary, subtract 1.7 million votes. The question remains; can the mountain deliver 30% for Ojinga, and extra 1.7 million votes to mganga? The story of mganga, mlevi, and godfathers against man with God the father continues..
https://www.facebook.com/WiperPartyForum/videos/564594181638440
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Senator Enoch K. Wambua
I take great exception to the mishandling of my Party Leader H.E. Dr. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka, SC, EGH by State operatives during the State funeral service of President Mwai Kibaki at Nyayo Stadium on Thursday and the State burial in Othaya yesterday. Try all you can, but you won't change history and you won't determine the destiny of my PL. We all know that H.E. Dr. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka was a loyal, able and effective Vice President to President Mwai Kibaki between 2008 and 2013. You can't talk about the success story of Kenya's Grand Coalition Government (2008 to 2013) and omit the pivotal role and immense contribution by H.E. Dr. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka. Denying him an opportunity to eulogise his boss will not change this fact. May Mzee Mwai Kibaki's soul rest in God's eternal glory.
Enoch Kiio Wambua,
Senator, Kitui County.
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Kaloi gain nothing from bolting but he seal his own political coffin. Excitement for mention at a funeral cannot equal bitterness of damage done before. Runningmate with Raila twice which they won gave Kaloi more mileage than single mention at a burial of a dead president.
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Explain how he seals his political coffin by bolting out.
You ODMorons need to use your brain.
Otherwise you will be crying soon - KIMEIBWO. OIZI.
Kalonzo if not picked will bolt out with Kambas leading the way...for they now the man has really ceded ground...from Raila twice signing MOU that win or lose he will support Kalonzo...to now even DPORK he cannot get.
How much do you expect Kalonzo to take ????
Kaloi gain nothing from bolting but he seal his own political coffin. Excitement for mention at a funeral cannot equal bitterness of damage done before. Runningmate with Raila twice which they won gave Kaloi more mileage than single mention at a burial of a dead president.
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And when he bolt out you think that mean he will be picked on the other side? Kaloi is poor judge but you think he sell his soul for a mere mention at a dead man's burial? Kaloi has huge axe to grind with your man and he know it and you know it and we all know it. Kaloi cant join your band singing off tune. Best thing is to go independent or sit it out whining. Mutua and Ngilu and Kivutha are with RAO. They wait for Kaloi to declare stand they will fill in with something opposite to become community kingpin.
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Which axe does he have with Ruto?
He still wondering how Kalenjin abandoned him in 2007 for Raila.
It wasnt Ruto fault - Ruto was pro-Kalonzo but Raila cried - overpowered Ruto.
Kalonzo will walk away with majority of kambas - Ngilus and rest - may if they work hard salvage 20 percent - but 80 percent will go.
Now kalonzo has two options - run as independent candidate - quit Wiper so he doesnt get locked into Azimio legal noose - he should already have made such an application - because today is last day to register as independent candiate.
Or approach Ruto - and take whatever is on the table.
Or he can remain in Azimio - where he will become the most stupid of the most stupid.
And when he bolt out you think that mean he will be picked on the other side? Kaloi is poor judge but you think he sell his soul for a mere mention at a dead man's burial? Kaloi has huge axe to grind with your man and he know it and you know it and we all know it. Kaloi cant join your band singing off tune. Best thing is to go independent or sit it out whining. Mutua and Ngilu and Kivutha are with RAO. They wait for Kaloi to declare stand they will fill in with something opposite to become community kingpin.
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Kaloi axe took him to DCI Kiambu road. He knows one false step at home and Ngilu, Mutua or Kibwana step right in. Already he made many false steps with flipflops lost ground. Kaloi of 2013 and 2017 is gone. Now eroded by Mutua, Ngilu, Kibwana joint influence.
Karua playing it cool and steady. Locks in women vote, locks in promise of change. Locks in Central 20% Azimio needs. Appeal cross the country. We can tell from number of your threads here that worst of all she give terrible shivers to high priest. Start another one we see.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-06-26-rutos-hand-in-kalonzo-muthama-falling-out/
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You sounds like Robina.
I am praying you pick Martha. Martha that was beaten by Dida :). MaDVD at least got half a million and Kalonzo nearly a million. Martha got 43,000 votes.
Azimio doesnt need 20 percent of GEMA but 50 percent - because they have leaked their base.
Let see how Kalonzo and his kamba nation respond.
We will be done with this election in two weeks time.
Kaloi axe took him to DCI Kiambu road. He knows one false step at home and Ngilu, Mutua or Kibwana step right in. Already he made many false steps with flipflops lost ground. Karua playing it cool and steady. Locks in women vote, locks in promise of change. Locks in Central 20% Azimio needs. Appeal cross the country. We can tell from number of your threads here that worst of all she give terrible shivers to high priest. Start another one we see.
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You open too many battlefronts in vain. Fighting Karua is your biggest front. While quaking of course.
You open another battlefront to decide how your rival must loose. :D
Kaloi protest at most leak 500k votes which will go sleeping election day. sonko courting Azimio in MSA dilute Kamba protest vote further. Karua marching on meanwhile. Now PK and Sabina stand better chance of DPORK than poor Kaloi.
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Nonsense! BS
A day in politics is a long time. After "kumi zangu, kumi zangu", who would have thought in a short 5 years, the phrase would change to "You should have left"? Who would have known that of all betrayals, Railas' was not going to happen???
You sounds like Robina.
I am praying you pick Martha. Martha that was beaten by Dida :). MaDVD at least got half a million and Kalonzo nearly a million. Martha got 43,000 votes.
Azimio doesnt need 20 percent of GEMA but 50 percent - because they have leaked their base.
Let see how Kalonzo and his kamba nation respond.
We will be done with this election in two weeks time.
Kaloi axe took him to DCI Kiambu road. He knows one false step at home and Ngilu, Mutua or Kibwana step right in. Already he made many false steps with flipflops lost ground. Karua playing it cool and steady. Locks in women vote, locks in promise of change. Locks in Central 20% Azimio needs. Appeal cross the country. We can tell from number of your threads here that worst of all she give terrible shivers to high priest. Start another one we see.
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Weeping louder than bereaved as usual. Gachagua Rigathi and MaDVD in epic duel for DPORK opposition. God and weep there.
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Quit and go where? UDA?
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Kwani uko desperate mpaka you're digging feb clips. Mt kenya will get DPORK in Ruto camp because the ground is willing. We are not forcing like Azimio
Weeping louder than bereaved as usual. Gachagua Rigathi and MaDVD in epic duel for DPORK opposition. God and weep there.
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https://www.pd.co.ke/inside-politics/i-didnt-join-ruto-he-joined-me-mudavadi-117525/
Adding: We told him (Mudavadi), Your supporters want you to go all the way to the ballot as a presidential candidate, but we were disadvantaged since we did not have the resources to face Raila Odinga and William Ruto in the campaigns. The only option for us then was to join the Deputy President and work with him."
Mudavadi has, however, in a statement written by his Personal Secretary Kibisu Kabatesi, come out not to only refute Agoi's claims but also to explain that it is Ruto who joined his Kenyan Kwanza formation.
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Ingine desperate march 10th - my friend focus on fallout in Ukambani
https://www.pd.co.ke/inside-politics/i-didnt-join-ruto-he-joined-me-mudavadi-117525/
Adding: We told him (Mudavadi), Your supporters want you to go all the way to the ballot as a presidential candidate, but we were disadvantaged since we did not have the resources to face Raila Odinga and William Ruto in the campaigns. The only option for us then was to join the Deputy President and work with him."
Mudavadi has, however, in a statement written by his Personal Secretary Kibisu Kabatesi, come out not to only refute Agoi's claims but also to explain that it is Ruto who joined his Kenyan Kwanza formation.
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Sort of on your face.
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Dont force issues.
MaDVD is not in the run for DPORK.
He will be Finance cum Chief Minister.
That he knows and that is what he signed for - a good deal
Weta negotiated for Speaker of NA.
Sort of on your face.
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You said MaDVD will "give way" to poor Kaloi. When Finance monster give way he become MCA.
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Negotiated. Bora amekubali. If he refuses - Ruto will tell Kalonzo too bad.
You said MaDVD will "give way" to poor Kaloi. When Finance monster give way he become MCA.
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