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Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« on: April 27, 2022, 06:40:36 PM »
His senator Wambua has been picked in a comittee where he is outnumbered 6-1.

Wiper should not have accepted any such comittee - and should have stuck to No Kalonzo No Raila

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-04-27-raila-appoints-7-member-panel-to-vet-potential-running-mates/

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2022, 07:00:50 PM »
Evident what the outcome will be.
Usually the running mate is chosen through negotiations.
Kalonzo was talking of a Volcano erupting.This is coming to pass.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2022, 07:08:16 PM »
He has lost on the process.
He should have insisted running mate is decision btw 3 principals
But he already lost that three principals three legged move
The man has been outwitted and outmanourved by Uhuru.

He aint getting that DPORK...from either Ruto or Raila.

Now what does he do? He has until may 2nd to register as independent candidate and run.

But Azimio wont break the news until 15th May.

So at that point - he either suck it up in Azimio or join Ruto in UDA.

If I was him - I would give Raila three days - 1st May - to pick him or not.

Then resign as Wiper candidate - and register as Independent Candidate on 2nd May deadline.

That should take him back to the market...now he can renegotiate with either of the teams.

But who knows - maybe Wiper can still present him as presidential candidate - they already filled a complain with registar regarding Azimio - so they can say it was never consumated.

Evident what the outcome will be.
Usually the running mate is chosen through negotiations.
Kalonzo was talking of a Volcano erupting.This is coming to pass.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2022, 07:18:05 PM »
It is starting to look like mbimbi yaye circus. Coalition - signature - mara no signature.

Council - now panel.
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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2022, 07:34:38 PM »
Yeah - it time wasting designed to emotional drain the victim until he accept the predetermined outcome.
It is starting to look like mbimbi yaye circus. Coalition - signature - mara no signature.

Council - now panel.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2022, 08:40:50 PM »
Honestly this dude has been in politics for over 30 years. Why not just retire? What is it with Kenyans that just can't retire? Is they nothing else to do in that country besides village politics, 24/7? Africans need to start finding other ways of pre-occupying their brains after a certain period of time.  All these washed up political hacks just keep re-cycling themselves every 5 years. No wonder they are no new ideas.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2022, 08:44:29 PM »
Alfred Mutua did not hide what is going on in Azimio in the last interview. Everything written and signed in Azimio is meant to trap Kalonzo until after the elections. Looks like now the only left is to issue threats and huge smiles with DP. Nothing more. He is becoming toothless by the minute. What is true, though, is that a lot of kambas will vote for Ruto without reciprocity. They will be voting for strength Ruto oozes...nothing else!
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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2022, 09:18:08 PM »
That was also my first impression when I saw the composition of that committee  :72:
His senator Wambua has been picked in a comittee where he is outnumbered 6-1.

Wiper should not have accepted any such comittee - and should have stuck to No Kalonzo No Raila

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-04-27-raila-appoints-7-member-panel-to-vet-potential-running-mates/

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2022, 09:33:14 PM »
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If I was him - I would give Raila three days - 1st May - to pick him or not.

Then resign as Wiper candidate - and register as Independent Candidate on 2nd May deadline.

But who knows - maybe Wiper can still present him as presidential candidate.
It won't be the first time Kalonzo is playing such a stunt. In a past election he run off with the ODM 'key' under a party name he registered as ODM-Kenya. When Raila in a stroke of genius, bought the original ODM certificate from the mumeru who registered ODM, Kalonzo ended up with a paltry 8% at the poll. That is all Kalonzo ever bargains with. This time if he goes independent, he will drop to 4% which will be insignificant to save ruto from a routing.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2022, 09:37:52 PM »
But kalonzo became VP and got three minister.I am looking what is best for kalonzo as human being..that is what I do..give the best advice.Kalonzo if he misses dpork in Azimio has two options..run alone hoping to force a second round where his premium will hit the roof or work with Azimio or Ruto.. become the spare of the spare wheel.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2022, 10:20:43 PM »
It has been in the news today, in this moaning period. Kalonzo today was asked whether it was a mistake for him to accept the VP position after he had performed dismally in the 2007 election? His response apparently caught off guard by this question, is that ,"it was his democratic right to be VP". Is the best comeback from a politician that has been at it 30+ years?

But kalonzo became VP and got three minister.I am looking what is best for kalonzo as human being..that is what I do..give the best advice.Kalonzo if he misses dpork in Azimio has two options..run alone hoping to force a second round where his premium will hit the roof or work with Azimio or Ruto.. become the spare of the spare wheel.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2022, 08:01:57 AM »
They want to give him Chief Minister like Ruto promised MaDVD

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2022, 12:47:46 PM »
Seem to be growing some cojones

I Will not Apply for Running Mate Position to be Vetted by a Panel Constituted by Raila Odinga.
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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2022, 03:35:10 PM »
Weta tell kalonzo hiyo madharau. Let them call Kalonzo and tell them he aint getting DPORK than subjecting him to this humiliation.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-04-28-dont-humiliate-yourself-wetangula-tells-kalonzo-over-vetting-of-railas-deputy/

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2022, 08:29:41 PM »
Kalonzo is okay - he is not being fooled - he is selling himself as 2027 PORK :)

Unlike Mdvd Kalonzo repeatedly says he does not have to be DPORK. This committee helps to explain to Kamba - how DPORK will be mere PORK assistant - while real job is for chief minister. Raila as BBI sponsor can credibly promise to have a PM... Ruto can only have a Duale after his tantrums and stiff opposition to BBI and Matiang'i.

Expect committee to propose Karua DPORK, Kalonzo chief minister. Professor Makau already has the memo - it just motions.
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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2022, 08:38:35 PM »
Explain to Kalonzo first.
Negotiate with him and his key folks until they buy in.
Then it easy for him to explain to Kambas.
These things are brought in as PR once the ticket has been settled on.
Then Kalonzo will play along and say too bad - the team decided on Martha.
It appears in this case - PR has been brought as a FIX :)
Basically Azimio is in big trouble.

Putting the cart before the horse.

Kalonzo is okay - he is not being fooled - he is selling himself as 2027 PORK :)

Unlike Mdvd Kalonzo repeatedly says he does not have to be DPORK. This committee helps to explain to Kamba - how DPORK will be mere PORK assistant - while real job is for chief minister. Raila as BBI sponsor can credibly promise to have a PM... Ruto can only have a Duale after his tantrums and stiff opposition to BBI and Matiang'i.

Expect committee to propose Karua DPORK, Kalonzo chief minister. Professor Makau already has the memo - it just motions.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2022, 08:57:08 PM »
Kalonzo is not as stupid as you wish... before he joined Azimio you praised his negotiation skill - how he refused to back Uhuru-Mdvd in 2002 - and Kibaki in 2007. Once he was in Azimio - you turned on him - now he is very stupid. You are just praying Azimio implodes but it won't.

The initial coalition tantrums - were so that it becomes Azimio-OKA and the "win" saved Kalonzo face as real partner with Raila & Uhuru. You see him in Nairobi brokering line-up - basically Jubilee-Wiper forced ODM Tim to stand down.

Now this.. is obviously more PR - Kalonzo for chief minister - BBI-PM mold. This will be presented as Kalonzo win. Kalonzo fight is smart fight - to show Kamba he (and Wiper) is the one fighting for their stake not Mutua or Ngilu. That the only agenda I see - no genuine beef with Raila or Uhuru.

Meantime in KK... is there a plan to assauge Luhya how 1st term Gachagua or Ndindi - is better than Mdvd? At least Karua or PK are veterans. The 30% power-sharing lie does not pass the smell test.

Explain to Kalonzo first.
Negotiate with him and his key folks until they buy in.
Then it easy for him to explain to Kambas.
These things are brought in as PR once the ticket has been settled on.
Then Kalonzo will play along and say too bad - the team decided on Martha.
It appears in this case - PR has been brought as a FIX :)
Basically Azimio is in big trouble.

Putting the cart before the horse.
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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2022, 08:59:57 PM »
Pundit if you waiting for Kalonzo to take your "advice" - (threaten to) run as independent  - utangoja kweli. Why can't Mdvd do the same - to be Ruto DPORK - or are you only concerned with Kalonzo welfare :)

Is Mdvd a "simp" or what. Smh
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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2022, 09:05:04 PM »
Some of you speak too soon and declare victory too soon.
Ni kama BBI tu - you're going to be taken in circles where you declare small victories along the way - but eventually you find yourself in the same spot.
Same spot. 5yrs later. Zero work done.
Good thing this issue will be resolved in two weeks...deadline was pushed from today to 15th may.
MaDVD clearly negotiated - not get DPORK - and he has been playing PR of taking Luhya pole pole to accept it.
Kalonzo and his people are clearly crying everywhere.

Meantime - cries of small parties can no longer be muted.
Three now want out.

Next is wiper.

Before you know - you look left - no people - you look right - no people.

Only Gideon Moi and Uhuru Kenyatta :D


Kalonzo is not as stupid as you wish... before he joined Azimio you praised his negotiation skill - how he refused to back Uhuru-Mdvd in 2002 - and Kibaki in 2007. Once he was in Azimio - you turned on him - now he is very stupid. You are just praying Azimio implodes but it won't.

The initial coalition tantrums - were so that it becomes Azimio-OKA and the "win" saved Kalonzo face as real partner with Raila & Uhuru. You see him in Nairobi brokering line-up - basically Jubilee-Wiper forced ODM Tim to stand down.

Now this.. is obviously more PR - Kalonzo for chief minister - BBI-PM mold. This will be presented as Kalonzo win. Kalonzo fight is smart fight - to show Kamba he (and Wiper) is the one fighting for their stake not Mutua or Ngilu. That the only agenda I see - no genuine beef with Raila or Uhuru.

Meantime in KK... is there a plan to assauge Luhya how 1st term Gachagua or Ndindi - is better than Mdvd? At least Karua or PK are veterans. The 30% power-sharing lie does not pass the smell test.

Explain to Kalonzo first.
Negotiate with him and his key folks until they buy in.
Then it easy for him to explain to Kambas.
These things are brought in as PR once the ticket has been settled on.
Then Kalonzo will play along and say too bad - the team decided on Martha.
It appears in this case - PR has been brought as a FIX :)
Basically Azimio is in big trouble.

Putting the cart before the horse.

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Re: Kalonzo given a rope to hang himself
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2022, 11:56:30 AM »
Noone was played or cheated on BBI - Uhuru & Raila were very genuine. As far as Azimio & Kenyans are concerned Ruto sent Havi & GM to kill BBI in court. Raila can still credibly give Kalonzo PM and promise real power-sharing. Ruto can't.

Kalonzo is not being cheated - you see what you want to see. Kalonzo is in fight with Mutua, Ngilu, Kivutha - and want to lock Kamba. 3 or 4 legged stool in Azimio is Kamba affair... and the fight is in fact good for Raila.

Sijaona matharao ama shida yoyote in Azimio-Kamba. It Weta making such noises - while he has nothing to show for backing Ruto. With Sakaja in UDA Mdvd fool obviously been conned. Even Khalwale is UDA  :) - right there in Kakamega. The bimbo already settled for Yattani job - down from PORK.

Kalonzo has done better PR in Kamba than Mdvd in Luhya.

Some of you speak too soon and declare victory too soon.
Ni kama BBI tu - you're going to be taken in circles where you declare small victories along the way - but eventually you find yourself in the same spot.
Same spot. 5yrs later. Zero work done.
Good thing this issue will be resolved in two weeks...deadline was pushed from today to 15th may.
MaDVD clearly negotiated - not get DPORK - and he has been playing PR of taking Luhya pole pole to accept it.
Kalonzo and his people are clearly crying everywhere.

Meantime - cries of small parties can no longer be muted.
Three now want out.

Next is wiper.

Before you know - you look left - no people - you look right - no people.

Only Gideon Moi and Uhuru Kenyatta :D
♫♫ They say all good boys go to heaven... but bad boys bring heaven to you ~ song by Julia Michaels