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Title: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 05:02:15 PM
Their political calculation according to me have misfired
Uhuru has pretty much been abandoned by Mt Kenya
Gideon Moi is basically a pariah in Kalenjin land.
NIS must be telling them that man from Sugoi is very popular.
They know Ruto will crash them when he wins.
They know if they make peace now - and each contribute 5B kshs to Ruto kitty - Ruto will forgive them.
If they wait until Ruto wins - they will have no political leverage to strike a deal.
The prize of forgiveness - will triple beyond 20B each - in Ruto gov.
They know they are guilty as charged for moving Ruto cheese after he did donkey work to get power.

I still predict that Uhuru and Gideon will either publicly or privately shake hands.

All indicators are that Uhuru and Gideon are folding camp - cleaning up - and their lackeys know it's gone.

Dr Nancy Gitau ameshindwa kazi.
Desperate Kibicho the engineer lecturer is doing kalongo longo in Kirinyanga that experienced politician like Uhuru must find irritating.
The message from remaining Jubilee members is simple - we support Jubilee but we wont sell Raila.
Uhuru cannot force anyone anymore.

As we speak the DPP has announced CEASEFIRE - nobody will be thrown to jail even if they cart away money in broad daylight.
That wariah must be really scared to make such an illegal boneheaded declaration.

Matiangi and company are now eating humble pie - few months from thinking he could be presidential candidate :)
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 05:15:42 PM
Dream on,looks like you are running senile,Radio Africa poll set to be released this week,Baba is ahead,leading in 6 out of 8 former provinces.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 05:18:09 PM
Dream on,looks like you are running senile,Radio Africa poll set to be released this week,Baba is ahead,leading in 6 out of 8 former provinces.
Don't expect experienced political player like them to consume their own propaganda.NIS has budget to do 100,000 survey that is very accurate...hiyo ndio they listen to..At stake for them sio pride like us..it's billions of their wealth...they have too much to lose
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 05:28:24 PM
We also have access to those NIS polls,as a matter of fact,just seen one a few minutes ago.mtashangaa
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 05:30:34 PM
When I tell you 30% is the magic number in central,you think am high on mursik, Tell Ruto to read the 48 laws of power again.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 05:33:45 PM
Is this the same song of Oil and Water dont mix remix you kept singing before 2013.
When I tell you 30% is the magic number in central,you think am high on mursik, Tell Ruto to read the 48 laws of power again.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 11, 2022, 05:40:28 PM

Lol so you are in NIS now....

We also have access to those NIS polls,as a matter of fact,just seen one a few minutes ago.mtashangaa
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 05:48:15 PM
2013 and 2018 were different ball games,players have changed ,we now have Raila ,Ruto duel,you cannot hold all factors constant the way you do,dynamics are different,come on Pundito,
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 05:51:16 PM
Nothing much has changed.
At the core Ruto candidate is still RV+GEMA at it's core
Raila candidate is still Luo+Kamba at it core.
Raila has gained few; Raila has lost a few;
Ruto has gained few; RUto has lost a few;
End of day - we back to the usual 45 versus 55%
There is no surprise.
You gain 30% of Mt kenya (let us grant that :) ) and you lose 30% of Non-GEMA (Western, Coast, ukamabani, matusa)

In short - there has been much change in MOASS - since 2013 - same same configuration - with little twist

2017 - you got maDVD to joined NASA - but Jubilee also gained from Non-GEMA (20-30% on average) - Jubilee extend it 1M gap to 1.5m

2022 - same same thing - hapo tu 51-55 percent versus 43-47 percent

2013 and 2018 were different ball games,players have changed ,we now have Raila ,Ruto duel,you cannot hold all factors constant the way you do,dynamics are different,come on Pundito,
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 05:57:44 PM
Now you are talking,the only omission which I know you are doing intentionally is the luhya,Raila still has Luo,Kamba,Luhya, Coast,Nairobi,Maa and Kisii.Now factor the 30% Uhuru votes from gema and you see you are in trouble.This is about 2 million.The percentage of luhya votes that he us loosing is insignificant,about 20% which is about 300K, not enough to make any big difference.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 06:00:25 PM
Voodo maths. Refer to MOASS for in-depth well researched analysis on where each has gained and lost. Once you do the maths - you will realize that - this election is not any different from 2013/2017- Raila siphyean curse continues - he gains here - and loses here. He could have become PORK if he had CONSOLIDATED NASA before opening new front.

Rather than engaging in voodoism - take 2017 county results - and play around plausible scenarios - know the tribal configuration - and share.

Now you are talking,the only omission which I know you are doing intentionally is the luhya,Raila still has Luo,Kamba,Luhya, Coast,Nairobi,Maa and Kisii.Now factor the 30% Uhuru votes from gema and you see you are in trouble.This is about 2 million.The percentage of luhya votes that he us loosing is insignificant,about 20% which is about 300K, not enough to make any big difference.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 06:03:00 PM
Let me make it simple for you,Give Raila 55% Nairobi,30% central,55% Eastern,55% western,65% coast,80% Nyanza,27% RV, and 60% NE.Total in absolute numbers is 8.5M.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 06:06:31 PM
Ruto will just perform the way Uhuru performed in 2018 but this time round,gema votes will reduce significantly.He will not beat Raila in  coast,western,Nairobi,Nyanza, Eastern,NE.This us no ricket science
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Heavy Hitter! on April 11, 2022, 06:06:39 PM
Even if they pay 5B, they should forget forgiveness from DP. From 2018 to recently, Uhuru used all state power to hurt DP and his friends financially. I don't see the way DP will let that go. Yes, he will take all their money in exchange of forgiveness but he will not honor it. DP doesn't forgive period!
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 11, 2022, 06:19:10 PM

Uhuru won in Eastern and North Eastern. So if Ruto will perform the same way Uhuru did in 2017 why are you giving those Provinces to Raila ?
Then again why use provinces as a measure when they no longer exist in Kenyan constitution. Try using Counties and you will see how Raila has already lost  .

Ruto will just perform the way Uhuru performed in 2018 but this time round,gema votes will reduce significantly.He will not beat Raila in  coast,western,Nairobi,Nyanza, Eastern,NE.This us no ricket science
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 11, 2022, 06:20:49 PM

Ruto has a soft spot for Uhuru. He will let him be , as for Raila I dont think so.
Even if they pay 5B, they should forget forgiveness from DP. From 2018 to recently, Uhuru used all state power to hurt DP and his friends financially. I don't see the way DP will let that go. Yes, he will take all their money in exchange of forgiveness but he will not honor it. DP doesn't forgive period!
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 06:23:27 PM
Get excel - of counties - and share - including projected turnout. Dont just throw numbers carelessly
Let me make it simple for you,Give Raila 55% Nairobi,30% central,55% Eastern,55% western,65% coast,80% Nyanza,27% RV, and 60% NE.Total in absolute numbers is 8.5M.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 06:24:45 PM
Kenyans want them finished - so nobody will cry to them
Even if they pay 5B, they should forget forgiveness from DP. From 2018 to recently, Uhuru used all state power to hurt DP and his friends financially. I don't see the way DP will let that go. Yes, he will take all their money in exchange of forgiveness but he will not honor it. DP doesn't forgive period!
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 06:25:45 PM
Precisely he is hidding under province - so he can make wild guestimates - which no longer exist.
Uhuru won in Eastern and North Eastern. So if Ruto will perform the same way Uhuru did in 2017 why are you giving those Provinces to Raila ?
Then again why use provinces as a measure when they no longer exist in Kenyan constitution. Try using Counties and you will see how Raila has already lost  .
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 06:31:33 PM
You and me know what happened in NE,specifically Mandera,let's not go there,fact is Raila is beating Ruto in NE.Eastern it was almost 50:50 but now that we are looking at 30% in gema nation,we may squeeze about 300K votes in Meru, Tharaka 👰,Embu,isiolo to add to 1 million plus kamba votes which gives us the 55%.About provinces,it doesn't make a difference whether you use counties or former provinces,just collate the county data into provinces.This is the easiest election Raila has ever had since 1997.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 06:41:48 PM
Counties make provinces which eventually add up to national tally,,so there should be no differencemy Nandi brothers.Hii kitu imeenda
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 06:55:26 PM
Meanwhile,Ruto sends his buddy Aukot to stop Raila from running,mambo ngumu.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought Ruto said he can defeat Raila any day? Now his stooge Ekuru Aukot is telling us that Ruto is only safe when Raila is barred from vying for the Presidency? <a href="https://t.co/TeLT4oP6Z2">pic.twitter.com/TeLT4oP6Z2</a></p>&mdash; Robert ALAI (@RobertAlai) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 07:08:09 PM
So Raila according to you is gaining and losing nothing :)
You and me know what happened in NE,specifically Mandera,let's not go there,fact is Raila is beating Ruto in NE.Eastern it was almost 50:50 but now that we are looking at 30% in gema nation,we may squeeze about 300K votes in Meru, Tharaka 👰,Embu,isiolo to add to 1 million plus kamba votes which gives us the 55%.About provinces,it doesn't make a difference whether you use counties or former provinces,just collate the county data into provinces.This is the easiest election Raila has ever had since 1997.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: audacityofhope on April 11, 2022, 07:12:52 PM
When we say you are of low IQ, si kwa ubaya. The question of how NE will vote for 2022 was settled in Feb 2022. NE voting patterns are different from your normal voting block because it is clan-based/controlled.

Where were you in Feburary when all NE parties signed up to Azimio?

Boost for Raila as Yatani's party backs his presidential bid (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-03-23-boost-for-raila-as-yatanis-party-backs-his-presidential-bid/)

Governor Roba leads Northern leaders in joining Azimio (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-09-governor-roba-leads-northern-leaders-in-joining-azimio/)

Here you are quoting what happened 5 years ago. A day in politics my friend is a long time. 5 years?
Don't ask again on this forum why Mizani Africa and members here are giving NE to Raila. You are wasting our time, when we could be debating something else. Nkt.


Uhuru won in Eastern and North Eastern. So if Ruto will perform the same way Uhuru did in 2017 why are you giving those Provinces to Raila?
Ruto will just perform the way Uhuru performed in 2018 but this time round,gema votes will reduce significantly.He will not beat Raila in  coast,western,Nairobi,Nyanza, Eastern,NE.This is no rocket science
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 07:16:07 PM
Opinion polls are showing 50:50 generally when it come to presidential vote. When it come to governors - Jubilee - has upper hand.
When we say you are of low IQ, si kwa ubaya. The question of how NE will vote for 2022 was settled in Feb 2022. NE voting patterns are different from your normal voting block because it is clan-based/controlled.

Where were you in Feburary when all NE parties joined Azimio?

Boost for Raila as Yatani's party backs his presidential bid (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-03-23-boost-for-raila-as-yatanis-party-backs-his-presidential-bid/)

Governor Roba leads Northern leaders in joining Azimio (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-09-governor-roba-leads-northern-leaders-in-joining-azimio/)

Here you are quoting what happened 5 years ago. A day in politics my friend is a long time. 5 years?
Don't ask again on this forum why Mizani and members here are giving NE to Raila. You are wasting our time, when we could be debating something else. Nkt.


Uhuru won in Eastern and North Eastern. So if Ruto will perform the same way Uhuru did in 2017 why are you giving those Provinces to Raila?
Ruto will just perform the way Uhuru performed in 2018 but this time round,gema votes will reduce significantly.He will not beat Raila in  coast,western,Nairobi,Nyanza, Eastern,NE.This is no rocket science
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Pajero on April 11, 2022, 07:22:07 PM
Raila is loosing western,specifically Bungoma by about 20% and Kakamega by about 10%.Thats a fact that we are alive to,the difference here is that this marginal loss in Bungoma and Kakamega translated into real votes is about 300K,vis a vis the marginal gain of 30% in gema which translates to about  1.5M.Net effect is that Raila us gaining more than Ruto.Had Ruto ran away with the entire western,then that's a different story.For example Raila starts with 80% Busia,which is about 300k votes,he gets 50% vihiga which is another 100K,He gets 60% Kakamega which is about 300K,then he gets 40% Bungoma which is about 200K.In total this is 900K.This is a drop of about 400K from 2018.This is the most realistic scenario in western Kenya.Raila will get 0.9K,Ruto will add 300K votes to what Uhuru got to make it 600K.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 07:48:47 PM
Keep it Luhya - continue with Tranzoia, Nandi, Uasin Gishu, Nakuru and Nairobi - there you'll find significant Luhya diaspora.These are the rift valley votes that use to belong to Raila. Also Kakamega gain is more than 10% yawa. Malala-Khawale-maDVD definitely worth more than that.

Go Coast - Ruto has flipped Kwale, is doing better than Uhuru in Mombasa and Kilifi - plus Taita Taveta(UDA lost by a whisker) - elsewhere is 50-50.

Go Ukambani - Ruto is doing great in Machakos thanks Muthama - and will do better Makueni too(UDA by a whisker lost MCA seat) Generally according to opinion polls and social media - Ruto is leading in Ukambani - but lets not get carried away yet - choice of DPORK will determine if the figures changes or not.

Go Turkana & Matusa - Ruto will beat Raila in there - doing better than Uhuru.

Gusii - Ruto was going to do badly - but not anymore. Ruto may lose 10-20 percent in Gusii.

The rest are pretty much usual 50-50 amongst somalis and related tribes of 5 counties + Tana River.

Now when you add all those that - you will realize if Raila was to get 30% of GEMA (big iff) - Ruto will gain similar number of votes.

Meaning nothing doing. Ruto is PORK.

Raila is loosing western,specifically Bungoma by about 20% and Kakamega by about 10%.Thats a fact that we are alive to,the difference here is that this marginal loss in Bungoma and Kakamega translated into real votes is about 300K,vis a vis the marginal gain of 30% in gema which translates to about  1.5M.Net effect is that Raila us gaining more than Ruto.Had Ruto ran away with the entire western,then that's a different story.For example Raila starts with 80% Busia,which is about 300k votes,he gets 50% vihiga which is another 100K,He gets 60% Kakamega which is about 300K,then he gets 40% Bungoma which is about 200K.In total this is 900K.This is a drop of about 400K from 2018.This is the most realistic scenario in western Kenya.Raila will get 0.9K,Ruto will add 300K votes to what Uhuru got to make it 600K.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Nowayhaha on April 11, 2022, 08:32:39 PM

Doesnt warrant a reply. Stupidity at its best....

When we say you are of low IQ, si kwa ubaya. The question of how NE will vote for 2022 was settled in Feb 2022. NE voting patterns are different from your normal voting block because it is clan-based/controlled.

Where were you in Feburary when all NE parties signed up to Azimio?

Boost for Raila as Yatani's party backs his presidential bid (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-03-23-boost-for-raila-as-yatanis-party-backs-his-presidential-bid/)

Governor Roba leads Northern leaders in joining Azimio (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-09-governor-roba-leads-northern-leaders-in-joining-azimio/)

Here you are quoting what happened 5 years ago. A day in politics my friend is a long time. 5 years?
Don't ask again on this forum why Mizani Africa and members here are giving NE to Raila. You are wasting our time, when we could be debating something else. Nkt.


Uhuru won in Eastern and North Eastern. So if Ruto will perform the same way Uhuru did in 2017 why are you giving those Provinces to Raila?
Ruto will just perform the way Uhuru performed in 2018 but this time round,gema votes will reduce significantly.He will not beat Raila in  coast,western,Nairobi,Nyanza, Eastern,NE.This is no rocket science
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Nefertiti on April 11, 2022, 10:23:08 PM
You are back to they are playing Raila wishful thinking. Giddy has always won senator easy-peasy- with few Pokots nTugen - nothing changes. Uhuru is pragmatic and has access so no surprises. He is duly informed and picked Raila over "trustworthy" Ruto. So much for your punditry.

The wayward characters remain Kalonzo-Mdvd - at least we can see Kalonzo buyer's remorse as katikati dream dies. Delusional Mdvd probably still thinks there will be some "equals" agreement - before names are submitted - akin to 2012 with Uhuru. More likely next you will have Mdvd eruptions as Azimio milk his KK raw deal - once Ruto unveil Gachagua.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 11, 2022, 10:42:34 PM
I follow rational decision making - I cannot understand how suicidal they can get - because the current path that uhuru and gideon is almost guranteed to bring pain and tears.

I am seeing sins and hints of them - dumping Raila.

You are back to they are playing Raila wishful thinking. Giddy has always won senator easy-peasy- with few Pokots nTugen - nothing changes. Uhuru is pragmatic and has access so no surprises. He is duly informed and picked Raila over "trustworthy" Ruto. So much for your punditry.

The wayward characters remain Kalonzo-Mdvd - at least we can see Kalonzo buyer's remorse as katikati dream dies. Delusional Mdvd probably still thinks there will be some "equals" agreement - before names are submitted - akin to 2012 with Uhuru. More likely next you will have Mdvd eruptions as Azimio milk his KK raw deal - once Ruto unveil Gachagua.
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: Githunguri on April 12, 2022, 05:17:44 AM
I think we have mad people on this forun..ruro thie ruto that morning lunch evening kwani hakuna jambo lingine ulimwenguni aparrt from ruto
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: audacityofhope on April 12, 2022, 10:30:29 AM
No, not a single  the presidential poll says North Eastern is 50-50. An opinion poll that puts Raila at 50% only means 50% have made up their minds. Such a poll by default does not confer the other 50 to any his competitor, because at this point in the election cycle, there are still a sizable number of undecided. Below find Mizani Africa a month ago

Opinion polls are showing 50:50 generally when it come to presidential vote. When it come to governors - Jubilee - has upper hand.
When we say you are of low IQ, si kwa ubaya. The question of how NE will vote for 2022 was settled in Feb 2022. NE voting patterns are different from your normal voting block because it is clan-based/controlled.

Where were you in Feburary when all NE parties joined Azimio?

Boost for Raila as Yatani's party backs his presidential bid (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-03-23-boost-for-raila-as-yatanis-party-backs-his-presidential-bid/)

Governor Roba leads Northern leaders in joining Azimio (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-09-governor-roba-leads-northern-leaders-in-joining-azimio/)

Here you are quoting what happened 5 years ago. A day in politics my friend is a long time. 5 years?
Don't ask again on this forum why Mizani and members here are giving NE to Raila. You are wasting our time, when we could be debating something else. Nkt.


Uhuru won in Eastern and North Eastern. So if Ruto will perform the same way Uhuru did in 2017 why are you giving those Provinces to Raila?
Ruto will just perform the way Uhuru performed in 2018 but this time round,gema votes will reduce significantly.He will not beat Raila in  coast,western,Nairobi,Nyanza, Eastern,NE.This is no rocket science
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: RV Pundit on April 12, 2022, 10:53:52 AM
I have been watching many opinion polls; In NEP - some have Ruto leading; some have Raila leading; generally it's 50-50; most of the undecided are in GEMA and Ukambani now.

As far as parties go - Jubilee seem the party of choice for many - this due to Uhuru spending money through Yatani and company on them.

I expect presidential vote to go 50-50: Jubilee to win most of the seats followed by UDA. ODM is dead there.

No, not a single  the presidential poll says North Eastern is 50-50. An opinion poll that puts Raila at 50% only means 50% have made up their minds. Such a poll by default does not confer the other 50 to any his competitor, because at this point in the election cycle, there are still a sizable number of undecided. Below find Mizani Africa a month ago

Opinion polls are showing 50:50 generally when it come to presidential vote. When it come to governors - Jubilee - has upper hand.
When we say you are of low IQ, si kwa ubaya. The question of how NE will vote for 2022 was settled in Feb 2022. NE voting patterns are different from your normal voting block because it is clan-based/controlled.

Where were you in Feburary when all NE parties joined Azimio?

Boost for Raila as Yatani's party backs his presidential bid (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-03-23-boost-for-raila-as-yatanis-party-backs-his-presidential-bid/)

Governor Roba leads Northern leaders in joining Azimio (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-09-governor-roba-leads-northern-leaders-in-joining-azimio/)

Here you are quoting what happened 5 years ago. A day in politics my friend is a long time. 5 years?
Don't ask again on this forum why Mizani and members here are giving NE to Raila. You are wasting our time, when we could be debating something else. Nkt.


Uhuru won in Eastern and North Eastern. So if Ruto will perform the same way Uhuru did in 2017 why are you giving those Provinces to Raila?
Ruto will just perform the way Uhuru performed in 2018 but this time round,gema votes will reduce significantly.He will not beat Raila in  coast,western,Nairobi,Nyanza, Eastern,NE.This is no rocket science
Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: audacityofhope on April 12, 2022, 11:09:54 AM
Pajero, you are laboring explaining geography to buffoons. Just avoid the word "Province" so they do not lean on Katiba to score points against your argument and go with an uncontested word like 'region' as this link has done:

Mizani Africa: Dp Ruto Shown Dust By Raila Odinga In 6 Out Of 8 Regions In The Presidential Poll (https://ke.opera.news/ke/en/others/amp/b02bb44bf373f5e5e0d7e4d3c4bafac9)


Counties make provinces which eventually add up to national tally,,so there should be no differencemy Nandi brothers.Hii kitu imeenda

Title: Re: For how long will Uhuru & Gideon resist handshake with Ruto
Post by: audacityofhope on April 12, 2022, 11:18:54 AM
Who told you I wanted a reply? Did I ask for one? You asked a question on an open forum. The question you asked was "why are you giving those Provinces to Raila?", I responded providing links to boot. If you are allergic to facts, do not post questions on an open forum. You have the option to DM if you want to be selective as to who can answer you.

Doesnt warrant a reply. Stupidity at its best....

When we say you are of low IQ, si kwa ubaya. The question of how NE will vote for 2022 was settled in Feb 2022. NE voting patterns are different from your normal voting block because it is clan-based/controlled.

Where were you in Feburary when all NE parties signed up to Azimio?

Boost for Raila as Yatani's party backs his presidential bid (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-03-23-boost-for-raila-as-yatanis-party-backs-his-presidential-bid/)

Governor Roba leads Northern leaders in joining Azimio (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-02-09-governor-roba-leads-northern-leaders-in-joining-azimio/)

Here you are quoting what happened 5 years ago. A day in politics my friend is a long time. 5 years?
Don't ask again on this forum why Mizani Africa and members here are giving NE to Raila. You are wasting our time, when we could be debating something else. Nkt.


Uhuru won in Eastern and North Eastern. So if Ruto will perform the same way Uhuru did in 2017 why are you giving those Provinces to Raila?
Ruto will just perform the way Uhuru performed in 2018 but this time round,gema votes will reduce significantly.He will not beat Raila in  coast,western,Nairobi,Nyanza, Eastern,NE.This is no rocket science