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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Dear Mami on March 16, 2022, 11:22:33 PM
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First Sabina, now Kuria. What's the point? When these elections were already impeached at the highest court with a nullification? Also, it's not that difficult for the politician to say they had a slip of the tongue and meant something entirely different. So I don't get. Seems like silly PR exercise.
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Whats the point they were making when slip of the tongue? Ask why CIA says, Keep talking?
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Whats the point they were making when slip of the tongue? Ask why CIA says, Keep talking?
But even if the point is to confess 2017 rigging, those results were nullified, meaning SCOK itself decided they stunk. If a politician says the same thing, what will summoning them now achieve?
Chebukati still fighting for his torn reputation but they should blame SCOK for that. If Moses Kuria says,
"I only meant to say, 'Sisi ndio tulikuwa tunamuibia Siri ya kura,'" you can't argue back, even if you disbelieve him. :D
So what's summoning him supposed to achieve for IEBC? They were already slapped by SCOK in 2017. :D
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Sounds more like statehouse...mainly because Uhuru brother Muhiho and Nancy Gitau have heavily invested in 2022 rigging Machine. Remember Huduma number?
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First Sabina, now Kuria. What's the point? When these elections were already impeached at the highest court with a nullification? Also, it's not that difficult for the politician to say they had a slip of the tongue and meant something entirely different. So I don't get. Seems like silly PR exercise.
Totally weird. I have mentioned elsewhere they just need to give Chebukati a copy of the SCORK ruling and ask him why he still hasn’t “opened the server”. They “opened it” for the runoff even though nobody asked for it :D.
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First Sabina, now Kuria. What's the point? When these elections were already impeached at the highest court with a nullification? Also, it's not that difficult for the politician to say they had a slip of the tongue and meant something entirely different. So I don't get. Seems like silly PR exercise.
Totally weird. I have mentioned elsewhere they just need to give Chebukati a copy of the SCORK ruling and ask him why he still hasn’t “opened the server”. They “opened it” for the runoff even though nobody asked for it :D.
Termie, what are you saying? For the first time I don't comprehend what you are writing, especially the last sentence?? Can you paraphrase? And what is with your frequent name changes, mara you call yourself a yelling goat ...
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First Sabina, now Kuria. What's the point? When these elections were already impeached at the highest court with a nullification? Also, it's not that difficult for the politician to say they had a slip of the tongue and meant something entirely different. So I don't get. Seems like silly PR exercise.
Add perhaps DCI should be the one doing the sermons.
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First Sabina, now Kuria. What's the point? When these elections were already impeached at the highest court with a nullification? Also, it's not that difficult for the politician to say they had a slip of the tongue and meant something entirely different. So I don't get. Seems like silly PR exercise.
Totally weird. I have mentioned elsewhere they just need to give Chebukati a copy of the SCORK ruling and ask him why he still hasn’t “opened the server”. They “opened it” for the runoff even though nobody asked for it :D .
Termie, what are you saying? For the first time I don't comprehend what you are writing, especially the last sentence?? Can you paraphrase? And what is with your frequent name changes, mara you call yourself a yelling goat ...
There is a standing court order for IEBC to “open the server” dating back to the case where they annulled the first election. IEBC has never honored it.
Conversely, there was NO court order for the same in the boycotted runoff case, but IEBC “opened the server” for that election anyway.
Names? I do that for laughs :D.
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Iebc should fine them heavily.. election integrity is matter of life and dead
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Lol, predictably, Kuria says he had a slip of the tongue. What he meant to say was, "Tulikuwa tunamuiMBIA."
Why add 'kura' after that? Should've gone with my suggestion, that he really meant to say "Tulikuwa tunamuibia Siri ya kura."
Either way, the IEBC is just engaging in a pointless PR exercise over an election that was already discredited. They should move on to other things :D
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First Sabina, now Kuria. What's the point? When these elections were already impeached at the highest court with a nullification? Also, it's not that difficult for the politician to say they had a slip of the tongue and meant something entirely different. So I don't get. Seems like silly PR exercise.
Totally weird. I have mentioned elsewhere they just need to give Chebukati a copy of the SCORK ruling and ask him why he still hasn’t “opened the server”. They “opened it” for the runoff even though nobody asked for it :D.
Exactly. I don't know which gallery Chebukati thinks he's playing to. :D
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It's criminal to rig election - DPP/DCI should have swung into action if they were independent.
At least he deserves to be summoned for questions for the record.
IEBC also have sole mandate to run elections - and they should use election regulations to fine or ban such characters.
That should send a message that such kind of reckless talk whose import is to discredit election as peaceful transfer of power are dealt with.
This is not a joking matter. This has led to deaths, thousands people injured, raped and 650,000 removed from their abodes.
Lol, predictably, Kura says he had a slip of the tongue. What he meant to say was, "Tulikuwa tunamuiMBIA."
Why add 'kura' after that? Should've gone with my suggestion "Tulikuwa tunamuibia Siri ya kura."
Either way, the IEBC is just engaging in a pointless PR exercise over an election that was already discredited. They should move on to other things :D
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Read electoral code of conduct. Chebukati doing his job. Next is to fine them. It such a shame others are not doing their job by investigating such criminal allegations.
https://gck.or.ke/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/ELECTORAL-CODE-OF-CONDUCT.pdf
Exactly. I don't know which gallery Chebukati thinks he's playing to. :D
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IEBC is a toothless entity. This is just PR and nothing will come out of it.
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Read electoral code of conduct. Chebukati doing his job. Next is to fine them. It such a shame others are not doing their job by investigating such criminal allegations.
https://gck.or.ke/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/ELECTORAL-CODE-OF-CONDUCT.pdf
Exactly. I don't know which gallery Chebukati thinks he's playing to. :D
Pundito, what will DCI investigate? An off-hand statement in a political speech? After Kuria has said it was a slip of the tongue . . . which is NOT criminal (and is NOT the same thing as rigging) . . . What will DCI then do? Do they have evidence of rigging? How are they supposed to prosecute/punish a single statement that could easily be interpreted several different ways? Whether IEBC/DCI/DPP ... This is a storm in a teacup. Will lead to nothing.
I'm just ammused that IEBC seriously think they have a name to salvage as far as those 2017 elections go. SCOK painted them with a stain they cannot wash off no matter who they summon. That's my only ammusement.
I already know they'll do nothing to Kuria, not because the man is innocent, but because nothing can be done to him, legally, without evidence . . . and I don't see much evidence they can use against him. Their burden would be to establish that he was confessing to rigging and did not experience an innocent slip of the tongue. You really think they can achieve this? I highly doubt it.
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DCI should at least summon them - their statement is self-incrementing. They just need to take them court - and prove their uttered those words. It's upon the judiciary to determine the punishment. I would give them 5yrs for electoral offence of rigging election - convicted based on t their evidence.
Secondly IEBC were not fingered for rigging elections. The results of the election were never impugned. Supreme Court had issues with processes. No where did it find that IEBC had rigged in favour of Jubilee.
I know you guys want to desperately spin this - but Chebukati is busy working - and AZIMIO/NASA crew did not make any changes to IEBC - despite their boycott.
I am sure come August - we shall hear the usual cries - Chebukati is ameiba bla de bla.
Pundito, what will DCI investigate? An off-hand statement in a political speech? After Kuria has said it was a slip of the tongue . . . which is NOT criminal (and is NOT the same thing as rigging) . . . What will DCI then do? Do they have evidence of rigging? How are they supposed to prosecute/punish a single statement that could easily be interpreted several different ways? Whether IEBC/DCI/DPP ... This is a storm in a teacup. Will lead to nothing.
I'm just ammused that IEBC seriously think they have a name to salvage as far as those 2017 elections go. SCOK painted them with a stain they cannot wash off no matter who they summon. That's my only ammusement. I know they'll do nothing to Kuria because nothing can be done to him, legally, without evidence and I don't see much of evidence they can use against him
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DCI should at least summon them - their statement is self-incrementing. They just need to take them court - and prove their uttered those words. It's upon the judiciary to determine the punishment. I would give them 5yrs for electoral offence of rigging election - convicted based on t their evidence.
Secondly IEBC were not fingered for rigging elections. The results of the election were never impugned. Supreme Court had issues with processes. No where did it find that IEBC had rigged in favour of Jubilee.
I know you guys want to desperately spin this - but Chebukati is busy working - and AZIMIO/NASA crew did not make any changes to IEBC - despite their boycott.
I am sure come August - we shall hear the usual cries - Chebukati is ameiba bla de bla.
Pundito, what will DCI investigate? An off-hand statement in a political speech? After Kuria has said it was a slip of the tongue . . . which is NOT criminal (and is NOT the same thing as rigging) . . . What will DCI then do? Do they have evidence of rigging? How are they supposed to prosecute/punish a single statement that could easily be interpreted several different ways? Whether IEBC/DCI/DPP ... This is a storm in a teacup. Will lead to nothing.
I'm just ammused that IEBC seriously think they have a name to salvage as far as those 2017 elections go. SCOK painted them with a stain they cannot wash off no matter who they summon. That's my only ammusement. I know they'll do nothing to Kuria because nothing can be done to him, legally, without evidence and I don't see much of evidence they can use against him
There's nothing to spin when SCOK ruling is written in stone, not our wild imagination. :)
And you're reading this all wrong, Pundit: In fact, all Raila supporters believe Kuria was confessing to a criminal offence! Rigging. They're with you on this! They would be very happy if he was prosecuted and yapped even more about this alleged rigging. I'm not talking about that at all.
I'm talking about what IEBC thinks it's achieving with this pointless exercise. To me, it looks like a whole bunch of pretending.
Kuria at most will spend an afternoon repeating to investigators or IEBC that he had a slip of the tongue and meant something different. He'll swear he has never been aware of or taken part in any rigging scheme in his life. There's no evidence of rigging involving him, at least, so this will not go anywhere.
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A serious court will find them guilty - the context is clear - the rigging allegation serious.
DCI ought to summon them
Chebukati job is to protect the integrity of elections
And I expect him to fine both heavily.
I would give them a 5 million fine.
This should be warning to others.
We may not have evidence of rigging but rigging election is not a joking matter.
It's almost tantamount to 1982 Raila coup.
It's a treason.
And these two are "joking" on serious matters - eroding any remaining confidence of our elections - and endangering our future.
Once people truly believe elections are rigged - then bloodshed start - as people use violent means to get power.
For example assume this kind of nonsense continue from Uhuru people - that they will rig Ruto
And Ruto loses - and claimed he was rigs.
And the warriors start attacking poor Gusiis using such public statements that we "shall rig" as evidence of rigging by gov.
There's nothing to spin when SCOK ruling is written in stone, not our wild imagination. :)
And you're reading this all wrong, Pundit: In fact, all Raila supporters believe Kuria was confessing to a criminal offence! Rigging. They're with you on this! They would be very happy if he was prosecuted and yapped even more about this alleged rigging. I'm not talking about that at all.
I'm talking about what IEBC thinks it's achieving with this pointless exercise. To me, it looks like a whole bunch of pretending.
Kuria at most will spend an afternoon repeating to investigators or IEBC that he had a slip of the tongue and meant something different. He'll swear he has never been aware of or taken part in any rigging scheme in his life. There's no evidence of rigging involving him, at least, so this will not go anywhere.
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Kenya elections are rigged period. As we speak am sure there are people doing all kind of simulation using iebc data. It is what it is.
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A fact many here pretend not to know.
Kenya elections are rigged period. As we speak am sure there are people doing all kind of simulation using iebc data. It is what it is.
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There are also people working to make sure rigging is hard to pull.
It's upon the parties to recruit agents, have systems that warn and detect rigging
End of day - vigilance will prevent rigging
Kenya elections are rigged period. As we speak am sure there are people doing all kind of simulation using iebc data. It is what it is.
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Pundit, I'm sure I've read you yourself casually explaining so-called stronghold rigging. Here you are engaged in doublespeak, pretending IEBC is unimpeachable. Are you upset that this rigging occurs or is your umbrage provoked by it being outed to the public? 8) It's all good as long as it happens chini ya maji? And no one exposes it to the public so they don't fight?
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You may be pleasantly suprised that I have spoken about stronghold rigging long time ago.
Years ago. I didnt wait for Moses Kuria. I saw it happen in Moi era. You can bet if I see something - I will say it.
I also heard Kones in 1997 verbatim asking people to go back and vote until all ECK materials were exhausted.
This after ECK were forced to extend the voting to 2nd day - due to "logistic" challenges - but more because Moi numbers were shaky against Kibaki
I also discovered last year that Mandera Jubilee votes were doubtful after reading Charles Hornsby analysis - everywhere else biometrics - identified 92-95 percent - but Mandera was 85 percent or something like that.
Then I changed my mind - and I now think Jubilee possibly padded Mandera and such remote areas figures. NASA & CORD had no such evidence that would convince me.
When I talk about something - it doesnt mean I endorse it.
I dont condone rigging or corruption or any violence.
I cannot be part of any party or tribe or community conspiracy to commit any crime.
My political support is not wholesome endorsement of everything politicians will do.
There is going to be rigging - but it's upon parties to guard their votes.
To provide evidence of such rigging
That is what NASA and CORD have failed. In fact NASA went on to cook figures and announced fake resutls.
Pundit, I'm sure I've read you yourself casually explaining so-called stronghold rigging. Here you are engaged in doublespeak, pretending IEBC is unimpeachable. Are you upset that this rigging occurs or is your umbrage provoked by it being outed to the public? 8)
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Taking them to court serious risk. They mak keep talking and Chebukati cannot control evidence affidavit in court. Sonko spill beans. Sabina Chege spill beans. Moses Kuria spill beans. All that slip of the tongue?
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Pundit, I'm not actually accusing you of endorsing/cheering rigging. I'm criticizing you for acting upset that I'm poking IEBC credibility when you yourself have impeached them by talking about stronghold rigging. How does this stronghold rigging happen outside IEBC watch? Then you can't complain about this thread, which is about IEBC clutching their pearls and acting shocked that someone suggests 2017 had shenanigans about it.
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You may be pleasantly suprised that I have spoken about stronghold rigging long time ago.
Years ago. I didnt wait for Moses Kuria. I saw it happen in Moi era. You can bet if I see something - I will say it.
I also heard Kones in 1997 verbatim asking people to go back and vote until all ECK materials were exhausted.
This after ECK were forced to extend the voting to 2nd day - due to "logistic" challenges - but more because Moi numbers were shaky against Kibaki
I also discovered last year that Mandera Jubilee votes were doubtful after reading Charles Hornsby analysis
Then I changed my mind - and I now think Jubilee possibly padded Mandera and such remote areas figures. NASA & CORD had no such evidence that would convince me.
When I talk about something - it doesnt mean I endorse it.
I dont condone rigging or corruption or any violence.
I cannot be part of any party or tribe or community conspiracy to commit any crime.
My political support is not wholesome endorsement of everything politicians will do.
There is going to be rigging - but it's upon parties to guard their votes.
To provide evidence of such rigging
That is what NASA and CORD have failed. In fact NASA went on to cook figures and announced fake resutls.
Pundit, I'm sure I've read you yourself casually explaining so-called stronghold rigging. Here you are engaged in doublespeak, pretending IEBC is unimpeachable. Are you upset that this rigging occurs or is your umbrage provoked by it being outed to the public? 8)
Keep talking brother. Did Uhuruto rule Kenya illegally 10 years?
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In 2013 - possibly he needed to pad few votes to go past 50 percent. My MOAS 2021 was showing 51 percent - it was going to be razor thin - as Uhuru was running to inherit another Kikuyu - had messed up maDVD and could only really get Kalenjin support & really struggle elsewhere.
I remember MOASS was shocked by Mandera. I knew URP/Jubilee would win Mandera by I think 60-70 percent because of the clan consensus deal to have Roba & all elective post settled on - but not by 90 percent with turnout of 90 percent.
Now Raila instead of focusing on Mandera and providing evidence - went all over - raising nonsense - and could not help the court find truth
Keep talking brother. Did Uhuruto rule Kenya illegally 10 years?
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Clear evidence of Mandera rigging by UhuRuto/Jubilee
http://www.charleshornsby.com/kenya-blog/whatever-happened-to-the-electronic-returns
Quite a bit of analysis was done on that data set in October-November 2017, looking for patterns as to why fingerprint voting was not universal and confirming exactly what Document and Alphanumeric search really meant. We were looking for evidence of mass voting by non-fingerprinted voters, which would suggest local officials allowed stuffing or topped up votes for their favoured candidate after polls closed. We concluded that the data set made sense in general, that there was prima facie evidence of malpractice in a very few constituencies, but no pattern of by-passing the EVID tool nationwide.
A deep dive on North-Eastern concluded there was prima facia evidence of “top up voting” or other forms of stuffing in Eldas and Wajir West, while the results were inconclusive in Mandera North.[I have since discovered that the EU Observer Mission report found the same problem in Eldas. The EU also found several stations in Garissa where extra digits were added ton the forms, producing official results for Kenyatta several thousand votes larger than the electronic results]
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Biometric was introduced to curb stronghold rigging.
It still there - IEBC staff are local villages - and I dont see that changing
Pundit, I'm not actually accusing you of endorsing/cheering rigging. I'm criticizing you for acting upset that I'm poking IEBC credibility when you yourself have impeached them by talking about stronghold rigging. How does this stronghold rigging happen outside IEBC watch? Then you can't complain about this thread, which is about IEBC clutching their pearls and acting shocked that someone suggests 2017 had shenanigans about it.
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in short there was rigging - only Nasa could not prove it. Which you are afraid could happen now? Ruto really needs that satellite tallying center.
In 2013 - possibly he needed to pad few votes to go past 50 percent. My MOAS 2021 was showing 51 percent - it was going to be razor thin - as Uhuru was running to inherit another Kikuyu - had messed up maDVD and could only really get Kalenjin support & really struggle elsewhere.
I remember MOASS was shocked by Mandera. I knew URP/Jubilee would win Mandera by I think 60-70 percent because of the clan consensus deal to have Roba & all elective post settled on - but not by 90 percent with turnout of 90 percent.
Now Raila instead of focusing on Mandera and providing evidence - went all over - raising nonsense - and could not help the court find truth
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With the NEP clan wazee consensus on Azimio you should be afraid like Duale.
Clear evidence of Mandera rigging by UhuRuto/Jubilee
http://www.charleshornsby.com/kenya-blog/whatever-happened-to-the-electronic-returns
Quite a bit of analysis was done on that data set in October-November 2017, looking for patterns as to why fingerprint voting was not universal and confirming exactly what Document and Alphanumeric search really meant. We were looking for evidence of mass voting by non-fingerprinted voters, which would suggest local officials allowed stuffing or topped up votes for their favoured candidate after polls closed. We concluded that the data set made sense in general, that there was prima facie evidence of malpractice in a very few constituencies, but no pattern of by-passing the EVID tool nationwide.
A deep dive on North-Eastern concluded there was prima facia evidence of “top up voting” or other forms of stuffing in Eldas and Wajir West, while the results were inconclusive in Mandera North.[I have since discovered that the EU Observer Mission report found the same problem in Eldas. The EU also found several stations in Garissa where extra digits were added ton the forms, producing official results for Kenyatta several thousand votes larger than the electronic results]
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Ruto knows everything.
I'd say the first defence before even satellite tallying center is parrallel NIS.
You gotta know what Azimio is planning - so you can counter.
Ruto has invested heavily in parrallel NIS which is why he has not be found nabbing.
Ruto will therefore know Azimio rigging plan the same day it's planned.
Then it will be easy to scuttle - by letting the public know the rigging plan.
This is why Kibaki in 2007 found it tough - because Ruto was helping Jakom with intelligence gathering.
Eventually Kibaki resorted to brazen on your face rigging and started war.
With the NEP clan wazee consensus on Azimio you should be afraid like Duale.
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Ruto knows everything.
I'd say the first defence before even satellite tallying center is parrallel NIS.
You gotta know what Azimio is planning - so you can counter.
Ruto has invested heavily in parrallel NIS which is why he has not be found nabbing.
Ruto will therefore know Azimio rigging plan the same day it's planned.
Then it will be easy to scuttle - by letting the public know the rigging plan.
This is why Kibaki in 2007 found it tough - because Ruto was helping Jakom with intelligence gathering.
Eventually Kibaki resorted to brazen on your face rigging and started war.
With the NEP clan wazee consensus on Azimio you should be afraid like Duale.
You now make high priest a goddess. How did he not know Kalonzo was going Azimio? Did he know Karua was no show for NDC? Did he know Kuria was going to sing rigging? He know how many votes he gets in 9th August? He know he will be outed by his boss?
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Knowledge - and Action - Kalonzo cant be stopped if he wanted to go - or if his demands are not met by Ruto.
You now make high priest a goddess. How did he not know Kalonzo was going Azimio? Did he know Karua was no show for NDC? Did he know Kuria was going to sing rigging? He know how many votes he gets in 9th August? He know he will be outed by his boss?
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Lol, Citzen's Gachuri, you read my mind! :D
IEBC tryna acquit itself is just political drama/afrocinema. Let someone less "convicted" play ref on 2017 questions! :D