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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on October 18, 2016, 01:50:37 PM
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I think he is speaking the truth. He has done what he could within the legal parameters.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html
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In my opinion, he has done enough in the executive branch, but he also needs ti reach out to sleepy parliament to force them to tighten every noose, or even change the make up of every body that is involved. Even asking parliament to create a special statute specifically for high crimes will help. Case in point was police making 3million a month and nobody has investigated them, not even KRA for unpaid taxes. This should be a high crime since it involves law enforcement.
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Corruption in Kenya only prospers because the top govt official is corrupt. This has been the case since Jomo Kenyatta, Arap Moi, Mwai Kibaki and now Uhuru Kenyatta.
All these above have been direct beneficiaries of corruption. When you are president and receive corruption money, do not expect your juniors to act differently. Kenya will only change when the top man in govt is clean. It will take decades.
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Uhuru tasked Esipisu with clearing Waiguru. He has Eurobond under his belt. To mention just a few. Yeah...he has done enough.
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OMG! Politicians like Ouru are only able to literally get away with murder because of tribalism, ignorance and gullible wanaichi. Ouru knows exactly how to stop corruption at the highest levels of government because he knows exactly who is corrupt and he is a beneficiary of their corrupt actions so he looks the other way. He should start by asking his Deputy President where he gets 18 million to give away in a single weekend and where he gets the money to literally throw away every other weekend happens to be in the country. Corruption at the top levels of government hurts the country the most and is the one that can easily be eliminated because it involves presidents, family, friends and high level appointees. The people he knows personally are responsible for almost 50% of the total money lost to corruption which should be used for developing the infrastructure of the country. I can understand if he is frustrated about corruption by traffic police, in the medium and low level government offices, county governments and schools. If he wants to be credible with the issue of corruption he should by dropping the High Priest of Corruption-the Deputy President-as his running mate.
I think he is speaking the truth. He has done what he could within the legal parameters.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html
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You forgot the mother of all corruption, SGR.
Uhuru tasked Esipisu with clearing Waiguru. He has Eurobond under his belt. To mention just a few. Yeah...he has done enough.
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You forgot the mother of all corruption, SGR.
Uhuru tasked Esipisu with clearing Waiguru. He has Eurobond under his belt. To mention just a few. Yeah...he has done enough.
That is there too. If we list everything, veritas will run out of hard-drive space.
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OMG! Politicians like Ouru are only able to literally get away with murder because of tribalism, ignorance and gullible wanaichi. Ouru knows exactly how to stop corruption at the highest levels of government because he knows exactly who is corrupt and he is a beneficiary of their corrupt actions so he looks the other way. He should start by asking his Deputy President where he gets 18 million to give away over a single weekend and where he gets the money to literally throw away every single weekend he is in the country. Corruption at the top levels of government hurts the country the most and is the one that can easily be eliminated because it involves presidents, family, friends and high level appointees. The people he knows personally are responsible for almost 50% of the total money lost to corruption which should be used for developing the infrastructure of the country. I can understand if he is frustrated about corruption by traffic police, in the medium and low level government offices, county governments and schools. If he wants to be credible with the issue of corruption he should start by dropping start by dropping High Priest of Corruption-the Deputy President as his running mate.
I think he is speaking the truth. He has done what he could within the legal parameters.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html)
As President, kamwana is in a uniquely powerful position. He can demand virtually any documents from his ministers, starting with Eurobond minister. He knows who is stealing what....if he thinks he has exhausted all options, he can consider becoming a whistle blower and witness against the thieves he knows very well.
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Since corruption is the # One vice in the country that needs to be slayed, ANY candidate who is running for the office of the president in 2017 and who does not have a clue on how to slay this monster should disqualify himself or herself for running for this office. Its like a presidential candidate for the US who publicly says that they do not know how to stop ISIS. Ouru certainly can explain to us why he was not able to stop corruption but he should also offer a solution and not "frustration". If he cannot solve the problem then he should step aside and let other people who have a plan and a will do it. I really do not understand why he is running for re-elections if he does not have an idea of what he is going to do differently in his second term to move this country forward. Nothing good is going to happen in this country if corruption is not curbed. Our neighbors are scared of us because of corruption and they do not want to make any serious economic deal with us because of corruption. Our reputation for corruption and impunity is the reason why we lost the oil pipeline deals with Uganda and Tanzania do not even want to deal with us. We have to slay this monster.
OMG! Politicians like Ouru are only able to literally get away with murder because of tribalism, ignorance and gullible wanaichi. Ouru knows exactly how to stop corruption at the highest levels of government because he knows exactly who is corrupt and he is a beneficiary of their corrupt actions so he looks the other way. He should start by asking his Deputy President where he gets 18 million to give away over a single weekend and where he gets the money to literally throw away every single weekend he is in the country. Corruption at the top levels of government hurts the country the most and is the one that can easily be eliminated because it involves presidents, family, friends and high level appointees. The people he knows personally are responsible for almost 50% of the total money lost to corruption which should be used for developing the infrastructure of the country. I can understand if he is frustrated about corruption by traffic police, in the medium and low level government offices, county governments and schools. If he wants to be credible with the issue of corruption he should start by dropping start by dropping High Priest of Corruption-the Deputy President as his running mate.
I think he is speaking the truth. He has done what he could within the legal parameters.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html)
As President, kamwana is in a uniquely powerful position. He can demand virtually any documents from his ministers, starting with Eurobond minister. He knows who is stealing what....if he thinks he has exhausted all options, he can consider becoming a whistler blower and witness against the thieves he knows very well.
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As President, kamwana is in a uniquely powerful position. He can demand virtually any documents from his ministers, starting with Eurobond minister. He knows who is stealing what....if he thinks he has exhausted all options, he can consider becoming a whistle blower and witness against the thieves he knows very well.
Generally I get annoyed when people talk about fighting corruption as if Uhuru has any interest in it
When will people understand the indispensable role corruption plays for the holder of PORK office
e.g right now it looks like Uhuru will win the 2017 election
Now, if several well known "big fish" thieves were arrested and prosecuted and jailed
that would change Uhuru's 2017 chances drastically because the entire .ke ruling elite would
be against him.
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Everybody who is honest and serious knows that Ouru cannot fight corruption-his hands are literally and figuratively tied. This is because his presidency and re-election is based on the twin vices of our country- corruption and tribalism. Tribalism and corruption are inseparable because one cannot exist without the other. If he drops any of them then he comes tumbling down politically like a shooting star. This whole summit on corruption is therefore a political campaign propaganda or immunization in anticipation of the attacks which will definitely come from the opposition.
As President, kamwana is in a uniquely powerful position. He can demand virtually any documents from his ministers, starting with Eurobond minister. He knows who is stealing what....if he thinks he has exhausted all options, he can consider becoming a whistle blower and witness against the thieves he knows very well.
Generally I get annoyed when people talk about fighting corruption as if Uhuru has any interest in it
When will people understand the indispensable role corruption plays for the holder of PORK office
e.g right now it looks like Uhuru will win the 2017 election
Now, if several well known "big fish" thieves were arrested and prosecuted and jailed
that would change Uhuru's 2017 chances drastically because the entire .ke ruling elite would
be against him.
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Kenyans are just being dishonest with themselves. Uhuru is part and parcel of the corruption cartel running Kenya today. He is practically the Don of the Mafia. The talk of fighting corruption is just music for the ears of the masses. Nothing will happen and tomorrow we will forget that this summit ever took place.
Everybody who is honest and serious knows that Ouru cannot fight corruption-his hands are literally and figuratively tied. This is because his presidency and re-election is based on the twin vices of our country- corruption and tribalism. Tribalism and corruption are inseparable because one cannot exist without the other. If he drops any of them then he comes tumbling down politically like a shooting star. This whole summit on corruption is therefore a political campaign propaganda or immunization in anticipation of the attacks which will definitely come from the opposition.
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Its PR stuff.
Kenyans are just being dishonest with themselves. Uhuru is part and parcel of the corruption cartel running Kenya today. He is practically the Don of the Mafia. The talk of fighting corruption is just music for the ears of the masses. Nothing will happen and tomorrow we will forget that this summit ever took place.
Everybody who is honest and serious knows that Ouru cannot fight corruption-his hands are literally and figuratively tied. This is because his presidency and re-election is based on the twin vices of our country- corruption and tribalism. Tribalism and corruption are inseparable because one cannot exist without the other. If he drops any of them then he comes tumbling down politically like a shooting star. This whole summit on corruption is therefore a political campaign propaganda or immunization in anticipation of the attacks which will definitely come from the opposition.
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As President, kamwana is in a uniquely powerful position. He can demand virtually any documents from his ministers, starting with Eurobond minister. He knows who is stealing what....if he thinks he has exhausted all options, he can consider becoming a whistle blower and witness against the thieves he knows very well.
Uhuru tasked Esipisu with clearing Waiguru. He has Eurobond under his belt. To mention just a few. Yeah...he has done enough.
In his rant, Uhuru says this:
We have the Auditor-General who says Eurobond [money] had been stolen. What do you want me to do?
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html
That is the first time I have heard him comment on the AG's report in that regard. In his place, I would have been expressing concern all along and demanding details. And now, instead of letting the AG independently carry on with his investigations---to determine the truth and report back---Uhuru's plan seems to be to jump into the fray and preempt things by bad-mouthing the AG.
Uhuru goes on and on about how he cannot fire people because of the law. I cannot imagine any country in which a (non-ceremonial) president (or similar) cannot instigate the firing of a civil servant and within the law. The new constitution has made it hard to fire certain people---for senior people it involves the National Assembly and tribunals---but it is not impossible, and Uhuru, if he were minded to could easily have the processes instigated. If nothing happens, he could then say he at least tried and failed. The Public Service Commission, for example, has the power to fire almost any civil servant for ethical breaches, incompetence, etc. Has Uhuru, for example, indicated that there are civil servants he wishes could be gone but cannot act upon, or is he just whining? To just say "I did not appoint you, I can’t even sack you" is pretty lame.
Even simple "messaging" and a little direct action would make a huge difference. Lew Kwan Yew operated on the basis that those in charge on ministries had to show the highest standards in performance and integrity, they in turn would demand (and were expected) to demand the same of those directly below them, who in turn ... On that basis, in Kenya Waiguru would have been shown the door as soon as the NYS heist became known; instead, Uhuru vigorously defended her until the public clamour became too much for him.
Early in 2015, we had this:
PRESIDENT Uhuru Kenyatta has acknowledged that mega corruption threatens to paralyse service delivery in his administration.
Consequently, he has ordered all State corporations to furnish his office with details of their anti-graft strategy – within two weeks.
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“The action plan must contain: express timelines, identified responsible officers and means of measurement and delivery, against which the extent of compliance and implementation shall be gauged,” he ordered.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2015/03/12/uhuru-gives-state-organs-two-week-ultimatum-on-corruption_c1099639#sthash.c0P84d6K.dpuf
And then? Did he get the plans? If he did, did he act on them? After the ultimatum was issued, the whole business was quickly forgotten, but here we have the man whining today. Start by telling us about the follow-up on the zillionth ultimatum on corruption!
See 6(iii) here: www.embuni.ac.ke/images/Docs/executiveorder.pdf
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Uhuru fired Waiguru (plus more than 200 gov officials including more than 5 ministers) based on suspicion alone and there is nothing like Eurobond scandal. The balls as I see lies squarely on EACC, DPP and Judiciairy. There is need to show how Uhuru or the executive has impeded their work. All of them are independent and enjoy the security of tenure.
You cannot fight corruption by vaguely accusing everyone of eurobond or claiming Ruto harambee are from corrupt proceed..you need evidence.
Uhuru & his brother Muhoho have spawn a MNC in Brookside...from little diary in Ruiru to a congolmerate that Danone (French multination) valued I think at 40B. Ruto's AMACO makes money from third party insurance (for matatus and MV) where they've cornered the market. There is as much dirty money as their is clean money. Without evidence you'll end up nowhere....just like SGR and Eurobond "scandal" has gone nowhere...there are no names, no bank accounts, no beneficiary...just the feeling the money was lost in the air.
Bottomline; EACC, Judiciary, DPP, Auditor General and all these agencies tasked have failed. Uhuru has not failed. He has gone extra way to fire EACC by forcing them to resign and their replacement turned out to be corrupt- although he had years of experience working for pwc.
EACC and Judiciary has to do more..I know they've jailed former Eldoert South MP and Nyeri county executive....but clearly we should all those responsible for fighting corruption accountable..not accuse everyone of corruption.
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The balls as I see lies squarely on EACC, DPP and Judiciairy. There is need to show how Uhuru or the executive has impeded their work.
Let me explain something very basic to you: The president is the head of the government. As such, his role is to ensure that all parts of the government, regardless of their nominal independence, run efficiently and properly; and to facilitate that, the constitution gives, gives him a role in, for example, firing and replacing those who head the parts you have mentioned. In general, if his job was simply to stay out of the way or independent parts of the government, then there would be little need for his position. So, it is not sufficient to say that he has not impeded anybody, therefore he has done his job.
All of them are independent and enjoy the security of tenure.
As I have already pointed out, this does not mean that people cannot be fired. What it means is that the process is difficult---"just cause" required etc---and in certain cases it would involve the National Assembly and tribunals.
Perhaps your own statement can help you understand that. Here is what you wrote:
Uhuru has not failed. He has gone extra way to fire EACC by forcing them to resign and their replacement turned out to be corrupt- although he had years of experience working for pwc.
Carefully review your own red statement and reflect on what it means.
The other thing to keep in mind is that all of the relevant appoints go to the president's office and require his approval. While Uhuru's fondness for certain barley extracts etc. limit his functional abilities, the general constitutional idea is not that he will just be a rubber stamp; in fact, he is the ultimate appointing authority.
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Let stick to specifics. Uhuru of course can apply pressure and kick those guys out. Of course we also don't want to end up with dictator..there is a reason why these guys are independent and enjoy security of tenure..so they can investigate everyone and anyone. So that dicey thing. As far as I see Uhuru has done all your Lee guy ever did and I can understand his frustration. He has fired 200 top gov official who were mentioned including Waiguru and Ngilu. He has gone ahead to apply pressure on EACC commisioner to resign. He is clearly handicapped when it comes to Judiciary and we had the "reformist" Mutunga - and now we got Maranga - whom everyone seem happy with. Maybe he need to fire Tobiko?
I just don't see what he has not done! What is missing is evidence based process where all these many agencies work hard to bring real evidence that can help us. Be they parliament, judiciary,DPP, Police, Auditor General and everyone agency involving in fighting graft.
Uhuru has thrown the gauntlet - they need to respond with why they aren't doing their work - if they want more money, let us know, if they want more legal powers, let us know, if they want fancier offices, let us know.
Otherwise claiming everyone is corrupt, everything is a scandal and such shenangians are not helpful to anybody.
Our press can also help investigate graft , same with parliament, and same with Obama (US).
How do you fight corruption in a democracy. We don't want to hear about dictarorship regimes. Maybe we can try Magufuli shenangian in TZ?
The balls as I see lies squarely on EACC, DPP and Judiciairy. There is need to show how Uhuru or the executive has impeded their work.
Let me explain something very basic to you: The president is the head of the government. As such, his role is to ensure that all parts of the government, regardless of their nominal independence, run efficiently and properly; and to facilitate that, the constitution gives, gives him a role in, for example, firing and replacing those who head the parts you have mentioned. In general, if his job was simply to stay out of the way or independent parts of the government, then there would be little need for his position. So, it is not sufficient to say that he has not impeded anybody, therefore he has done his job.
All of them are independent and enjoy the security of tenure.
As I have already pointed out, this does not mean that people cannot be fired. What it means is that the process is difficult---"just" cause required---and in certain cases it would involve the National Assembly and tribunals.
Perhaps your own statement can help you understand that. Here is what you wrote:
Uhuru has not failed. He has gone extra way to fire EACC by forcing them to resign and their replacement turned out to be corrupt- although he had years of experience working for pwc.
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As President, kamwana is in a uniquely powerful position. He can demand virtually any documents from his ministers, starting with Eurobond minister. He knows who is stealing what....if he thinks he has exhausted all options, he can consider becoming a whistle blower and witness against the thieves he knows very well.
Uhuru tasked Esipisu with clearing Waiguru. He has Eurobond under his belt. To mention just a few. Yeah...he has done enough.
In his rant, Uhuru says this:
We have the Auditor-General who says Eurobond [money] had been stolen. What do you want me to do?
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Kenyatta-rebukes-agencies-over-anticorruption-fight/1056-3420824-n0srv7/index.html)
That is the first time I have heard him comment on the AG's report in that regard. In his place, I would have been expressing concern all along and demanding details. And now, instead of letting the AG independently carry on with his investigations---to determine the truth and report back---Uhuru's plan seems to be to jump into the fray and preempt things by bad-mouthing the AG.
Uhuru goes on and on about how he cannot fire people because of the law. I cannot imagine any country in which a (non-ceremonial) president (or similar) cannot instigate the firing of a civil servant and within the law. The new constitution has made it hard to fire certain people---for senior people it involves the National Assembly and tribunals---but it is not impossible, and Uhuru, if he were minded to could easily have the processes instigated. If nothing happens, he could then say he at least tried and failed. The Public Service Commission, for example, has the power to fire almost any civil servant for ethical breaches, incompetence, etc. Has Uhuru, for example, indicated that there are civil servants he wishes could be gone but cannot act upon, or is he just whining? To just say "I did not appoint you, I can’t even sack you" is pretty lame.
Even simple "messaging" and a little direct action would make a huge difference. Lew Kwan Yew operated on the basis that those in charge on ministries had to show the highest standards in performance and integrity, they in turn would demand (and were expected) to demand the same of those directly below them, who in turn ... On that basis, in Kenya Waiguru would have been shown the door as soon as the NYS heist became known; instead, Uhuru vigorously defended her until the public clamour became too much for him.
Early in 2015, we had this:
PRESIDENT Uhuru Kenyatta has acknowledged that mega corruption threatens to paralyse service delivery in his administration.
Consequently, he has ordered all State corporations to furnish his office with details of their anti-graft strategy – within two weeks.
...
“The action plan must contain: express timelines, identified responsible officers and means of measurement and delivery, against which the extent of compliance and implementation shall be gauged,” he ordered.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2015/03/12/uhuru-gives-state-organs-two-week-ultimatum-on-corruption_c1099639#sthash.c0P84d6K.dpuf (http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2015/03/12/uhuru-gives-state-organs-two-week-ultimatum-on-corruption_c1099639#sthash.c0P84d6K.dpuf)
And then? Did he get the plans? If he did, did he act on them? After the ultimatum was issued, the whole business was quickly forgotten, but here we have the man whining today. Start by telling us about the follow-up on the zillionth ultimatum on corruption!
See 6(iii) here: www.embuni.ac.ke/images/Docs/executiveorder.pdf (http://www.embuni.ac.ke/images/Docs/executiveorder.pdf)
The problem I see, in Kenya, and even on this thread is the super low bar that these guys in Kenya enjoy. Money disappeared. Nobody was caught with it. What am I supposed to do? And it actually works. The benefit of the doubt - no matter how unreasonable - is tilted heavily in favor of the suspects. For the average Kenyan, let alone a jubilant adherent, that is enough.
I also thought the reference to Eurobond and bad-mouthing the AG was the highlight that punctuated the whole rant. He actually laughed that the AG was trying to get information from the Federal Reserve Bank. Instead of being concerned that he was having trouble doing so perhaps and offering his government's backing in the name of transparency.
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Let stick to specifics. Uhuru of course can apply pressure and kick those guys out. Of course we also don't want to end up with dictator..there is a reason why these guys are independent and enjoy security of tenure..so they can investigate everyone and anyone.
You also wrote that
Uhuru has not failed. He has gone extra way to fire EACC.
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He has gone ahead to apply pressure on EACC commisioner to resign.
Without getting into whether all that is actually true, I would encourage you to reflect on the "internal consistency" of your own arguments, to the effect that "Uhuru is really battling corruption, and here's some evidence". Independently of that, you might also want to reflect on the significance of blue. I'm sure all other Nipateans can see the points I'm getting at.
I don't have the time today to bang my head on the wall of Pundit Logic; so this will be my last on this exchange.
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uhuru should have resigned. He proved to all that job is beyond him.
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This is what Uhuru is really talking about:
(https://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/97464/house-of-cards_large.jpg)
Uhuru finds it very difficult to take maybe one or even two or more cards (i.e. thugs) out without bringing the whole deck crashing.
The only way out is to start with the top most cards.
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I also thought the reference to Eurobond and bad-mouthing the AG was the highlight that punctuated the whole rant. He actually laughed that the AG was trying to get information from the Federal Reserve Bank. Instead of being concerned that he was having trouble doing so perhaps and offering his government's backing in the name of transparency.
And this is the context in which people claim that Uhuru has done all he can and "who has be impeded?". For starters, in this, case he could stop undermining the Auditor General (AG). He could then go on to state that wishes to have the truth uncovered, urge the AG in that task, and ensure that the latter has the full support and facilities necessary.
Beyond Eurobond, the AG's report lists numerous reports of the most outrageous looting. My guess is that he is increasingly seen as "unhelpful", and I wonder if he will last much longer. On Eurobond, I anticipate obstacles in these planned trips and discrediting whatever he finally comes up. "Early retirement", "resignation", ...? Let's watch 2017.
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Ouru has confirmed the general consensus that he cannot do anything about corruption although he has lied about the reason why. He should therefore resign or not seek re-elections if we are to believe him. If corruption is the numero uno issue in Kenya today then there is really no reason for him to run after acknowledging that he cannot do anything about it. That there is nothing he can do is a lie. He can start by firing the corrupt and appointing the right people and setting a good example himself by using the office of the presidency as a bully pulpit on the war on corruption. He can do this tomorrow.
I also thought the reference to Eurobond and bad-mouthing the AG was the highlight that punctuated the whole rant. He actually laughed that the AG was trying to get information from the Federal Reserve Bank. Instead of being concerned that he was having trouble doing so perhaps and offering his government's backing in the name of transparency.
And this is the context in which people claim that Uhuru has done all he can and "who has be impeded?". For starters, in this, case he could stop undermining the Auditor General (AG). He could then go on to state that wishes to have the truth uncovered, urge the AG in that task, and ensure that the latter has the full support and facilities necessary.
Beyond Eurobond, the AG's report lists numerous reports of the most outrageous looting. My guess is that he is increasingly seen as "unhelpful", and I wonder if he will last much longer. On Eurobond, I anticipate obstacles in these planned trips and discrediting whatever he finally comes up. "Early retirement", "resignation", ...? Let's watch 2017.
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Uhuru is right on the money on the stupid Ouko fellow. How can you purport to investigate the NY Federal Reserve bank :D :D. What nonsense is that. Waste of public money and time. Next he'll want to investigate the CIA, FBI and US congress? This ouko fellow should long have been fired...he is not any different with Raila sending long warning letters to NY Federal reserve and finance arrangers..and expecting a response.
“When you say that the Eurobond money was stolen and stashed in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, are you telling me that the Kenyan government and United States have colluded?” Mr Kenyatta said Tuesday during an anti-corruption summit at State House.Who’s is stupid here? And he (Mr Ouko) says he wants to investigate the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,” he added.
Massive waste of gov resources :D :D :D :D in a wild goose chase.
Mr Ouko in May said a team of forensic auditors would visit a number of financial institutions including JP Morgan, Federal Reserve Bank, City Transaction Services New York, JP Securities, Barclays Bank, ICB Standard Bank and Qatar National Bank to scrutinise transaction data.
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Uhuru is right on the money on the stupid Ouko fellow. How can you purport to investigate the NY Federal Reserve bank :D :D . What nonsense is that. Waste of public money and time. Next he'll want to investigate the CIA, FBI and US congress? This ouko fellow should long have been fired...he is not any different with Raila sending long warning letters to NY Federal reserve and finance arrangers..and expecting a response.
“When you say that the Eurobond money was stolen and stashed in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, are you telling me that the Kenyan government and United States have colluded?” Mr Kenyatta said Tuesday during an anti-corruption summit at State House.Who’s is stupid here? And he (Mr Ouko) says he wants to investigate the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,” he added.
Massive waste of gov resources :D :D :D :D in a wild goose chase.
Mr Ouko in May said a team of forensic auditors would visit a number of financial institutions including JP Morgan, Federal Reserve Bank, City Transaction Services New York, JP Securities, Barclays Bank, ICB Standard Bank and Qatar National Bank to scrutinise transaction data.
I don't remember him saying he is investigating the Reserve Bank. I think he needs information from the Reserve Bank about the Eurobond from the reserve bank. He is investigating the Treasury. I could be wrong - in which case I'll take another look at his report.
Kamwana is entitled to his opinion. But he is not entitled to an alternate reality.
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And you honestly think the Fed Reserve Bank of US will answer Ouko questions? Fed Bank is bank reserved ONLY FOR CENTRAL BANKERS. If someone wanted to steal money he won't hid it in Fed Reserve Bank. This an expensive wild goose chase. And I totally agree with Uhuru that Ouko is one stupid fellow playing politics who should be fired pronto.
I don't remember him saying he is investigating the Reserve Bank. I think he needs information from the Reserve Bank about the Eurobond from the reserve bank. He is investigating the Treasury. I could be wrong - in which case I'll take another look at his report.
Kamwana is entitled to his opinion. But he is not entitled to an alternate reality.
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I don't remember him saying he is investigating the Reserve Bank. I think he needs information from the Reserve Bank about the Eurobond from the reserve bank. He is investigating the Treasury. I could be wrong - in which case I'll take another look at his report.
Yes, all he has stated is that he needs to get direct information from the banks involved; and that is hardly surprising given the funny photostat copies that Treasury has put out. But Uhuru's claim perfectly suits his lot.
Yes, the Treasury seems to be where the problem lies. Treasury has been involved in two sorts of lies and fudging:
One is a bit subtle and similar to the low-level street scam of a punting trying to guess which of three cups covers the peanut: where the Eurobond money actually is depends on who is asking and when they are asking.
The other one is more straightforward, and I will give a concrete example. Go here http://www.treasury.go.ke/eurobond.html and look at the .pdf file under "Sovereign Bond (Eurobond): Questions And Answers." Now look at Qu. 10.
According to Treasury, the Auditor General "confirmed" that the funds had been deposited in the Consolidated Fund. And to "prove" that, the note then includes a statement from the Auditor General. The only problem is that the Auditor General statement says nothing of the sort! All it says is that what is supposedly in some overseas account + what is in some CBK account add up to whatever the amount is supposed to be.
It's all right there for everyone to read, but on that smoke-and-mirrors basis it was then claimed that "the Auditor General has cleared the Eurobond".
Anyone who takes the time to carefully look at all the stuff Treasury has put out will end up either laughing or being totally shocked. I would urge people to go beyond the popular media and to take a closer look. The lack of consistency, internal to among the various documents, is astonishing.
Further in that document--- http://www.treasury.go.ke/eurobond.html under "Sovereign Bond (Eurobond): Questions And Answers."---there are what Treasury claims are allocations from those monies. The main question in the latest Auditor General's report is this: If the money was put into the CF as claimed and then allocated as claimed, then where is the evidence? Answering that requires answers to at least three questions:
(i) did all the money end up in the CF?,
(ii) was it allocated as claimed?, and
(iii) if so, where is the evidence, by way of expenditure?
The Auditor General apparently hasn't had any joy anywhere, if his latest report is anything go by.
And there has also been "the IMF has cleared the Eurobond" type of type of thing, whatever that means. The fact is that if one looks at both public IMF statements and "detailed" accounts, they say little no more than that Kenya received the money. Come to think of it, it's shaky even on that front: IMF's documents show the money being accounted for in one financial year, as they were told by GoK. But in the face of stiff questioning, Treasury, in its jump-and-dodge game then later moved things to the next financial year!
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Maybe he need to investigate the domestic bonds floated this year that are way more than Eurobond. Eurobond was simply use to substitute domestic borrowing and retire 600M syndicated commercial loan for that year. As he rushes to get confirmation from all these banks in the US..treasury right now is borrowing on average 1B per day...or more than 350B per year. And that money goes into the BUDGET as approved by MPS. There is no way you can slice the money into eurobond or domestic bond or taxes.
What a joker wasting public money on wild goose chase.
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... that money goes into the BUDGET as approved by MPS. There is no way you can slice the money into eurobond or domestic bond or taxes.
I hoped I would be done with you for today, but this "Pundit Fact" is too astonishing to let go. "Eurobond money" is not just "any old money", to be randomly lumped into the budget. Even Treasury in its smoke-and-mirrors game is aware of that; the money is supposed to be "earmarked" in both allocation and use.
Look at the heading of the last column on pages 9 to 11 here:
http://www.treasury.go.ke/media-centre/eurobond-press-releases.html?download=322:press-releases-on-the-sovereign-bond-responding-to-various-questions-answers-03-12-2015-final-a-i-at-3-00-pm
See my (ii) and (iii) above. It will probably take you a very long time, but if you put your mind to to it you will eventually get the point (and the AG'c concerns).
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Still quoting the initial press release that treasury hastily released when this hulabaloo started or how this was actually treated in treasury books. Eurobond went into consolidated account (CBK confirms this coz they bought treasury USD at Fed Reserve Bank and debited CA with KSHS and so does Controller of Budget...from there..it impossible to tell where it went. Eurobond was suppose to reduce domestic borrowing. The rest is endless wild goose chase of euro bond. Where is Juma and his forensic audit.
I hoped I would be done with you for today, but this "Pundit Fact" is too astonishing to let go. "Eurobond money" is not just "any old money", to be randomly lumped into the budget. Even Treasury in its smoke-and-mirrors game is aware of that; the money is supposed to be "earmarked" in both allocation and use.
Look at the heading of the last column on pages 9 to 11 here:
http://www.treasury.go.ke/media-centre/eurobond-press-releases.html?download=322:press-releases-on-the-sovereign-bond-responding-to-various-questions-answers-03-12-2015-final-a-i-at-3-00-pm
See my (ii) and (iii) above. It will probably take you a very long time, but if you put your mind to to it you will eventually get the point (and the AG'c concerns).
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And you honestly think the Fed Reserve Bank of US will answer Ouko questions? Fed Bank is bank reserved ONLY FOR CENTRAL BANKERS. If someone wanted to steal money he won't hid it in Fed Reserve Bank. This an expensive wild goose chase. And I totally agree with Uhuru that Ouko is one stupid fellow playing politics who should be fired pronto.
I don't remember him saying he is investigating the Reserve Bank. I think he needs information from the Reserve Bank about the Eurobond from the reserve bank. He is investigating the Treasury. I could be wrong - in which case I'll take another look at his report.
Kamwana is entitled to his opinion. But he is not entitled to an alternate reality.
I don't think that is his rationale. That the money is hidden there. My guess - and this is before I have rechecked his report - he doubts the information about the transactions he has received from the Treasury so he seeks to validate it with the source. Is he a fool? I don't know...but he just seems interested in facts that can be verified - the very definition of his job.
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http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Editorial/Stop-the-blame-game-and-fight-corruption/440804-3421676-nyw9uxz/index.html
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I don't think that is his rationale. That the money is hidden there.
Good luck with the Mission Impossible against River-Road Logic. :D
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uhuru has failed miserably in fighting corruption. His defense regarding the system does not measure up. He has a whole parliament but he has done zip. Stop defending the indefensible.
I especially did not appreciate it when he made fun of the auditor doing his job.
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I don't remember him saying he is investigating the Reserve Bank. I think he needs information from the Reserve Bank about the Eurobond from the reserve bank. He is investigating the Treasury. I could be wrong - in which case I'll take another look at his report.
Yes, all he has stated is that he needs to get direct information from the banks involved; and that is hardly surprising given the funny photostat copies that Treasury has put out. But Uhuru's claim perfectly suits his lot.
Yes, the Treasury seems to be where the problem lies. Treasury has been involved in two sorts of lies and fudging:
One is a bit subtle and similar to the low-level street scam of a punting trying to guess which of three cups covers the peanut: where the Eurobond money actually is depends on who is asking and when they are asking.
The other one is more straightforward, and I will give a concrete example. Go here http://www.treasury.go.ke/eurobond.html (http://www.treasury.go.ke/eurobond.html) and look at the .pdf file under "Sovereign Bond (Eurobond): Questions And Answers." Now look at Qu. 10.
According to Treasury, the Auditor General "confirmed" that the funds had been deposited in the Consolidated Fund. And to "prove" that, the note then includes a statement from the Auditor General. The only problem is that the Auditor General statement says nothing of the sort! All it says is that what is supposedly in some overseas account + what is in some CBK account add up to whatever the amount is supposed to be.
It's all right there for everyone to read, but on that smoke-and-mirrors basis it was then claimed that "the Auditor General has cleared the Eurobond".
Anyone who takes the time to carefully look at all the stuff Treasury has put out will end up either laughing or being totally shocked. I would urge people to go beyond the popular media and to take a closer look. The lack of consistency, internal to among the various documents, is astonishing.
Further in that document--- http://www.treasury.go.ke/eurobond.html (http://www.treasury.go.ke/eurobond.html) under "Sovereign Bond (Eurobond): Questions And Answers."---there are what Treasury claims are allocations from those monies. The main question in the latest Auditor General's report is this: If the money was put into the CF as claimed and then allocated as claimed, then where is the evidence? Answering that requires answers to at least three questions:
(i) did all the money end up in the CF?,
(ii) was it allocated as claimed?, and
(iii) if so, where is the evidence, by way of expenditure?
The Auditor General apparently hasn't had any joy anywhere, if his latest report is anything go by.
And there has also been "the IMF has cleared the Eurobond" type of type of thing, whatever that means. The fact is that if one looks at both public IMF statements and "detailed" accounts, they say little no more than that Kenya received the money. Come to think of it, it's shaky even on that front: IMF's documents show the money being accounted for in one financial year, as they were told by GoK. But in the face of stiff questioning, Treasury, in its jump-and-dodge game then later moved things to the next financial year!
Yes, there is a lot of confusing information. And the distinct possibility of what you are saying, that one party is given one narrative and the other a different one.
I got the impression from a casual reading of his report that the AG had information, obviously from the Treasury, to the effect that the Eurobond money was moved from the Sovereign Bond to the ministries. Not from the SB to CF then to ministry. Indeed that is how he is able to identity Eurobond money. If you recall, Rotich had previously correctly pointed out that if the money is in CF with the rest before being disbursed, you cannot tell which money is what? Either the AG is incompetent and doesn't know this simple fact or he is given different information.
The same Treasury has also gone through hoops to demonstrate that this money actually found its way to the CF - the controversial documents showing piecemeal transfers. This was for the benefit of Jacob Juma/ODM/CORD type noisemakers. I gather, the AG is not officially made aware of these transactions. Of course Ouko knows what they put out for public consumption - but he can only go by what they officially share with him.
Even without getting into the actual numbers, the AG's report, and the previous documents from Treasury would suggest that the Treasury transferred the money from SB into the CF and at same time transferred the same money from SB straight to the ministries! You have to believe that both things happened if you agree with them, or that the AG is unbelievably incompetent - or not give a damn about the facts. Thus far though nobody has raised the question of incompetence. Political rants don't count.
It certainly helps to bother to look at the actual claims and the supporting documents. Something kamwana has either not bothered to do, or doesn't care about, secure in the knowledge that enough Kenyans will automatically agree with what he says without being bothered to waste time with the details.
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Ouko can go on wild goose chase to New York and he'll still come out of empty. Treasury used 600MUSD to pay off the loan, part of money was wired directly from JP Morgan to consolidated account held in Central Bank and the last trench never got wired...coz CBK bought the dollars from treasury and kept it in Fed Reserve Bank. Once all the money got in CA..it impossible to trace eurobond from taxes or domestic bonds.
For Eurobond to happen as some here desperately wants there has to be MAJOR COLLUSION....from all those entities...spanning many jurisdiction..including US Gov, IMF,WB, Irish gov, CBK, Treasury and name all those actors.
The wild goose chase can continue for another 10yrs and all will come up empty.
The most frustrating thing is this unproven scandal is preventing kenya from borrowing more and more cheaply from cheap debt market- and now we have to borrow domestically (and crowd off private lending) - amounts that dwarfs Eurobond.
But I guess when you borrow 350B in kshs annually...it not as sexy as borrowing 2.5B USD.
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Ouko can go on wild goose chase to New York and he'll still come out of empty. Treasury used 600MUSD to pay off the loan, part of money was wired directly from JP Morgan to consolidated account held in Central Bank and the last trench never got wired...coz CBK bought the dollars from treasury and kept it in Fed Reserve Bank. Once all the money got in CA..it impossible to trace eurobond from taxes or domestic bonds.
For Eurobond to happen as some here desperately wants there has to be MAJOR COLLUSION....from all those entities...spanning many jurisdiction..including US Gov, IMF,WB, Irish gov, CBK, Treasury and name all those actors.
The wild goose chase can continue for another 10yrs and all will come up empty.
The most frustrating thing is this unproven scandal is preventing kenya from borrowing more and more cheaply from cheap debt market- and now we have to borrow domestically (and crowd off private lending) - amounts that dwarfs Eurobond.
But I guess when you borrow 350B in kshs annually...it not as sexy as borrowing 2.5B USD.
He could come out empty. What good is that you may ask? It eliminates one avenue. Narrows down the likely events. The man is going above and beyond the call of duty. Rather than just say he does not know what happened to the money, he seeks to add some detail to it. Exactly the thing kamwana is complaining that he does not do.
What do you mean by for Eurobond to happen? The problem is nobody seems to know what happened to Eurobond. There isn't enough information to conclude whether there was collusion in anything. Perhaps it was just put to good use. AG's job is to find evidence for that. He hasn't.
Maybe you mean steal? Anyhow is there any point to this sentence that is germane to this train of discussion?
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The problem is nobody seems to know what happened to Eurobond. There isn't enough information to conclude whether there was collusion in anything. Perhaps it was just put to good use. AG's job is to find evidence for that. He hasn't.
That is the real bother here. Nobody knows. Treasury can't give one straight story. And the only guy trying to find out is laughed at and humiliated in public for doing his job.
Going back to corruption: Uhuru has basically thrown in the towel. He has done all he can, he says. Everyone is independent, so he can't do anything about them, but they sure are letting him down. That's his story. He has basically announced that, contrary to what people think, the Kenyan presidency is a ceremonial one. Maybe he should make Ruto Prime Minister or something. Ruto at least works hard and feels that he must give back a small part of the "proceeds" .... tithe or something.
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The problem is nobody seems to know what happened to Eurobond. There isn't enough information to conclude whether there was collusion in anything. Perhaps it was just put to good use. AG's job is to find evidence for that. He hasn't.
That is the real bother here. Nobody knows. Treasury can't give one straight story. And the only guy trying to find out is laughed at and humiliated in public for doing his job.
Going back to corruption: Uhuru has basically thrown in the towel. He has done all he can, he says. Everyone is independent, so he can't do anything about them, but they sure are letting him down. That's his story. He has basically announced that, contrary to what people think, the Kenyan presidency is a ceremonial one. Maybe he should make Ruto Prime Minister or something. Ruto at least works hard and feels that he must give back a small part of the "proceeds" .... tithe or something.
kamwana is basically being a giant asshole. Way to absolve himself.
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If Eurobond was put to good use it would not have been too difficult to find out. You erase records only when you are doing something bad. Eurobond was stolen and the thieves covered their tracks well-at least for now.
The problem is nobody seems to know what happened to Eurobond. There isn't enough information to conclude whether there was collusion in anything. Perhaps it was just put to good use. AG's job is to find evidence for that. He hasn't.
That is the real bother here. Nobody knows. Treasury can't give one straight story. And the only guy trying to find out is laughed at and humiliated in public for doing his job.
Going back to corruption: Uhuru has basically thrown in the towel. He has done all he can, he says. Everyone is independent, so he can't do anything about them, but they sure are letting him down. That's his story. He has basically announced that, contrary to what people think, the Kenyan presidency is a ceremonial one. Maybe he should make Ruto Prime Minister or something. Ruto at least works hard and feels that he must give back a small part of the "proceeds" .... tithe or something.
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If Eurobond was put to good use it would not have been too difficult to find out. You erase records only when you are doing something bad. Eurobond was stolen and the thieves covered their tracks well-at least for now.
The problem is nobody seems to know what happened to Eurobond. There isn't enough information to conclude whether there was collusion in anything. Perhaps it was just put to good use. AG's job is to find evidence for that. He hasn't.
That is the real bother here. Nobody knows. Treasury can't give one straight story. And the only guy trying to find out is laughed at and humiliated in public for doing his job.
Going back to corruption: Uhuru has basically thrown in the towel. He has done all he can, he says. Everyone is independent, so he can't do anything about them, but they sure are letting him down. That's his story. He has basically announced that, contrary to what people think, the Kenyan presidency is a ceremonial one. Maybe he should make Ruto Prime Minister or something. Ruto at least works hard and feels that he must give back a small part of the "proceeds" .... tithe or something.
I am not too sure they did a good job of covering their tracks though. Had they done that, the AG would have missed it. It seems more like crude defiance than any sophisticated sleight of hand.
I haven't heard any official response from Treasury on the latest revelations from AG. All they have are the responses they made to previous CORD allegations. Maybe they just don't care anymore...time heals such things in Kenya. After all it's only a billion in a country where maybe over 5 billion USD disappears every year.
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When you see the president coming out and belittling a public official who is only trying to do his job, then know something is amiss. They should have left the man to do his job and now we will never hear about Eurobond again. They did the same with the Controller of Budget who after publicly decrying the Eurobond cash and had to make a hasty about turn.
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The whole truth will never be know as long as these people are in office - starting witht he president.
Thats why he is patronizing the AG for doing his job - what a loser.
When you see the president coming out and belittling a public official who is only trying to do his job, then know something is amiss. They should have left the man to do his job and now we will never hear about Eurobond again. They did the same with the Controller of Budget who after publicly decrying the Eurobond cash and had to make a hasty about turn.
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Nobody has yet to identify what Uhuru should have done better on this war. I think for me there was disapointment when he appointed some people that were still under investigation or prosecution for graft...can't recall their exact names..but that send mixed signals.
Outside there I think we need to fire Tobiko or at least put pressure on his office to show what they are doing on prosecution end.
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The surest way to know when Kenya has a president who is really serious about fighting corruption
Is when the president himself orders a complete re write of the anti corruption laws.
The current anti corruption law is deliberately designed not to work and is actually just a series
of legal loopholes to allow the thieves to escape justice.
Thats because it was written under the close supervision of the thieves it was supposed to apprehend.
Thieves like Saitoti hired lawyers to look into and make changes to the corruption laws before they
were published.
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This is what Uhuru is really talking about:
(https://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/97464/house-of-cards_large.jpg)
Uhuru finds it very difficult to take maybe one or even two or more cards (i.e. thugs) out without bringing the whole deck crashing.
The only way out is to start with the top most cards.
This is the best and most appropriate/acurate description of Uhuru's dilemma that I have seen so far
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Nobody has yet to identify what Uhuru should have done better on this war. I think for me there was disapointment when he appointed some people that were still under investigation or prosecution for graft...can't recall their exact names..but that send mixed signals.
Outside there I think we need to fire Tobiko or at least put pressure on his office to show what they are doing on prosecution end.
If he is that clueless about his work, actually reading the Auditor General's report would be a good place for kamwana to start.
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Interesting. Yes as CEO of the executive wing; he need to take Auditor General report seriously; and the AG himself need to take himself seriously if Uhuru was to take him seriously. We know he is Kibadinga appointee and Raila villagemate so that may mean he need to be above board.
If he is that clueless about his work, actually reading the Auditor General's report would be a good place for kamwana to start.
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Did anything actually come out of Uhuru's summit? The only thing I've read of is his misguided #CryBabyPresident rant.
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Did anything actually come out of Uhuru's summit? The only thing I've read of is his misguided #CryBabyPresident rant.
He apparently called it to absolve himself. To say that corruption would go away if the EACC, judiciary, DDP did their job. And especially if the Auditor General could just zip it.
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I think Uhuru made specific accusation.On judiciary - there is big issue on backlog - cases taking 5yrs plus - like the Gichuru/Okemo extradation. How is Uhuru responsible for that. Judiciary has to ensure backlog on serious cases like corruption is dealt with. Then AG investigating the Fed Reserve Bank of US is just waste of time and money.
EACC claims to have 800 corruption cases yet to be determined. The balls squarely lies with Magara. He need to set up anti-corruption courts that will sit long hours and conclude each of these cases. If he need more resources to hire judges and set up courts...i think Uhuru should be able to provide that.
Overally Uhuru has dealt with insecurity and corruption remain the only blemish on his momentous 4yrs tenure where he has done so much in so short time with so little drama. Uhuru should use the next year to fight graft and his legacy will be secured.
He apparently called it to absolve himself. To say that corruption would go away if the EACC, judiciary, DDP did their job. And especially if the Auditor General could just zip it.
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Uhuru apparently had invited the biggest loud makers - Githongo and Ndii --to Corruption summit -where they could head to head with Executive- and they chicken out -apparently the invite didn't sufficently reconginse their big status as the foremost gov loud mouths . Maybe they should be appointed to be our corruption czar for a week.
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/440808-3425502-10quusu/index.html
Dr Ndii turned it down like he turned down UON's invite to public debate Eurobond coz it obvious he is like many civil society type running on empty and cannot match the brains of UhuRuto.
These are the kind of idiots who have been running empty for quite some time and whom them media should not given the free license to write baseless nonsense week in week out.
It upto NationMedia to turn the switch off these charlatans. They are doing a great injustice to country that need to attract foreign debts to deal with a serious infra backlog.
UhuRuto have not only manage to silence the envoy type from EU-US but seem to even their few lackeys still in business are scared of facing Uhuru or Ruto.
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Here is Kariuki (Uhuru advisor on governance) robust reply
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/sorry-ndii-felt-unable-to-honour-state-house-invitation/440808-3426242-y12hd4/index.html
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I think Uhuru made specific accusation.On judiciary - there is big issue on backlog - cases taking 5yrs plus - like the Gichuru/Okemo extradation. How is Uhuru responsible for that. Judiciary has to ensure backlog on serious cases like corruption is dealt with. Then AG investigating the Fed Reserve Bank of US is just waste of time and money.
EACC claims to have 800 corruption cases yet to be determined. The balls squarely lies with Magara. He need to set up anti-corruption courts that will sit long hours and conclude each of these cases. If he need more resources to hire judges and set up courts...i think Uhuru should be able to provide that.
Overally Uhuru has dealt with insecurity and corruption remain the only blemish on his momentous 4yrs tenure where he has done so much in so short time with so little drama. Uhuru should use the next year to fight graft and his legacy will be secured.
He apparently called it to absolve himself. To say that corruption would go away if the EACC, judiciary, DDP did their job. And especially if the Auditor General could just zip it.
You'll keep parroting kamwana if you can't be bothered to read the AG's report.
The rest is basically an argument for kamwana's resignation on the grounds of ineptitude. The AG's report alone should give him plenty of targets to work on.
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Here is Kariuki (Uhuru advisor on governance) robust reply
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/sorry-ndii-felt-unable-to-honour-state-house-invitation/440808-3426242-y12hd4/index.html
I read it. I saw a highly personal attack on Ndii. What I did not see: anything on what the summit was really about---no, the vague remark on "discussion" doesn't count---and anything at all on what the summit accomplished. This is Uhuru's advisor on governance?
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Nobody has yet to identify what Uhuru should have done better on this war. I think for me there was disapointment when he appointed some people that were still under investigation or prosecution for graft...can't recall their exact names..but that send mixed signals.
Outside there I think we need to fire Tobiko or at least put pressure on his office to show what they are doing on prosecution end.
Yes, people will certainly take him seriously when he says he is concerned with, and is fighting, corruption; and they will accordingly mend their ways.
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Is the AG report now the gold standard for measure of our corruption levels. I think AG report is useful for parliament and senate & eacc to further question those that have audit queries. It not something that is actionable without further investigation.
You'll keep parroting kamwana if you can't be bothered to read the AG's report.
The rest is basically an argument for kamwana's resignation on the grounds of ineptitude. The AG's report alone should give him plenty of targets to work on.
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So Ndii is free to personally attack anyone and everyone -like he did on saturday - but Kariuku cannot respond. Ndii and Githongo were invited to have face to face conversation with president, judiciary and all the key actors in the fight against graft - and they chicken out -knowing they cannot defend their baseless foreign funded propaganda .The sooner the taps ran dry from the donors - the sooner they'll engage in some real constructive cricitism - right now they are not any different from politician mouthing propaganda in some rally.
I read it. I saw a highly personal attack on Ndii. What I did not see: anything on what the summit was really about---no, the vague remark on "discussion" doesn't count---and anything at all on what the summit accomplished. This is Uhuru's advisor on governance?
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By MICHAEL WAINAINA
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I agree with President Uhuru Kenyatta that the fight against corruption is frustrating and that he is helpless to do anything about it. But I disagree that the problem is what he or other people have done or not done. The problem is who he is and the foundation of his administration.
The Jubilee government was founded by two individuals who had been indicted at the International Criminal Court (ICC) for crimes against humanity. And that is the problem. They unleashed the spirit of impunity that they are now struggling to contain.
A union consummated in the bed of impunity can never give birth to an accountable and corruption-free administration. Let me be clear that those who were supporting the ICC process were not asking for the conviction of the two, they were asking for accountability. UhuRuto rubbished the process, gave Chapter 6 of the Constitution the finger, ran for the presidency on an anti-ICC ethnic siege mentality and won.
The message that this sent to the now corrupt tormentors of President Kenyatta’s regime is that the end justifies the means. They taught the corrupt that the greatest shield against accountability is power. Get it by any means necessary and use it for impunity. It is called state capture. The use of state power to advance extra-judicial and corrupt ends.
JET SCANDAL
Soon after they won the presidency came the hustler’s jet scandal. Does it surprise anyone that the first act of impropriety and impunity on the part of the Jubilee government was directly related to the reason they had run for the presidency in the first place, to scuttle the ICC? Haven’t they, since then, completely scuttled the process through any and all means available to them, all of them extra-judicial? Haven’t the corrupt cartels taken a cue from them about how to use power to circumvent justice?
If the fight against corruption and impunity is the political circus President Kenyatta called it, it is because he and his deputy William Ruto wrote the script. West Africans say a man who brings a dead rat to his house should not complain when maggots pay him a visit.
Hadn’t he been saddled with the curse of the ICC, would President Kenyatta have successfully fought corruption? No. First, hadn’t he been saddled with the ICC indictment, Mr Kenyatta would never have become president.
He would have lacked the motivation to do so. Remember, Mr Kenyatta did not originally seek the presidency because he had the motivation, ambition or ability to do so. He ran for president because President Daniel arap Moi told him so. He needed the tragedy of the ICC to see the value of the presidency for himself.
ETHNIC COALITION
Secondly, without the ICC, the ethnic coalition that propelled him to power would have been difficult or impossible to form.
But let us assume that he became president without the ICC process. He still would not have successfully fought corruption. Again because of who he is. It is not possible to find any Kenyan presently who, on his own behalf, on behalf of his family, his and his father’s associates is more invested in the status quo than Mr Kenyatta. He is the poster boy of an oligarchy started by his father and entrenched by his political godfather and which he is a captive of. I have made the argument before that if Mzee Jomo Kenyatta, Mr Moi and Mr Mwai Kibaki met to select their successor, all would agree on Uhuru.
Does the Constitution tie his hands as he claims? There are two ways of looking at this. President Kenyatta is a sceptic when it comes to the 2010 Constitution and his deputy is an apostate who opposed it. They have a healthy contempt for the Constitution. They are ready to use it as an excuse for their own incompetence. This is an incurable problem, and I suspect it emanates from the earlier discussed investment of Mr Kenyatta in the status quo.
SUPREME LAW
The only viable proposition was for them not to run for the presidency under a supreme law they did not believe in. This is what happened to Mr David Cameron when he lost the Brexit vote. He resigned. He knew it was futile for him to try and implement something that he had opposed. In 2013, we did the opposite, elected Mr Kenyatta and Mr Ruto into an office where they were supposed to implement and protect a constitution they did not believe in.
But still, if the Constitution is the problem, why hasn’t the President proposed amendments that would enable him to fight corruption? After all, he did it with the security laws. Whether such amendments would pass or not is not the point, that he has not proposed them means he has not done all he could to fight corruption.
Regardless of what he has done or not done, President Kenyatta cannot run away from who he is. I hope he has learnt his lesson – you can use power to run away from the ICC, but how do you run away from your history, your name and your own shadow?
Prof Michael Wainaina is a blogger on politics and society.
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Is the AG report now the gold standard for measure of our corruption levels. I think AG report is useful for parliament and senate & eacc to further question those that have audit queries. It not something that is actionable without further investigation.
You'll keep parroting kamwana if you can't be bothered to read the AG's report.
The rest is basically an argument for kamwana's resignation on the grounds of ineptitude. The AG's report alone should give him plenty of targets to work on.
The AG report is where you can see what he actually said about the Fed Reserve Bank. It is where you can learn that kamwana is spewing nonsense - talking about things that only exist in his imagination - and quit repeating the same. The report is a better standard than the ramblings of a drunk at State House.
The report is useful for kamwana too if he is serious about fighting corruption. There is nothing stopping him from looking through it and launching independent investigations and actions. He would not be breaking any law known to man by going after the fellows in charge of the suspect ministries.
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So Ndii is free to personally attack anyone and everyone -like he did on saturday - but Kariuku cannot respond. Ndii and Githongo were invited to have face to face conversation with president, judiciary and all the key actors in the fight against graft - and they chicken out -knowing they cannot defend their baseless foreign funded propaganda .The sooner the taps ran dry from the donors - the sooner they'll engage in some real constructive cricitism - right now they are not any different from politician mouthing propaganda in some rally.
As usual, you have missed the point---by a couple of light-years. The point you miss is this: What Uhuru's people should be doing is explaining (a) what the "summit" was all about and (b) what it is that they think was accomplished. That is what governance is about. Uhuru's #CryBabyPresident rant and the jilted-woman emotionalism from Kariuki do not serve the citizens in any way; those two have positions (and obligations to Kenyans) that are very different from Ndii's.
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The AG report is where you can see what he actually said about ...
The AG's report is also a catalogue of all sorts of outrageous theft at the national level---a confirmation of what Mutunga called a "bandit economy", with the bandits running the government. For that reason alone, and regardless of Eurobond, it should be of interest to Uhuru.
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The AG report is where you can see what he actually said about ...
The AG's report is also a catalogue of all sorts of outrageous theft at the national level---a confirmation of what Mutunga called a "bandit economy", with the bandits running the government. For that reason alone, and regardless of Eurobond, it should be of interest to Uhuru.
Yep. I am thinking the whole charade was organized for kamwana to try and donwplay corruption and his complicity but especially the Eurobond scandal. Instead he has shown that if the AG needs his government's assistance in getting to the bottom of Eurobond, he has no ally, but actually a hostile force, in State House.