Duale powerful message on BBI rubbish

[RV Pundit]

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Judiciary if they don't throw this thrash out - will have themselves to blame. Ombudsman will kill judicial independence.

[audacityofhope]

Only 83 opposed? Wasn't that figure supposed to be 139?
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[Kadudu]

Guys make so much noise and then when it matters most run away like cowards.
Does Ruto really have the backing of these politicians or are they just there to receive brown envelopes?

Only 83 opposed? Wasn't that figure supposed to be 139?

[RV Pundit]

Only 300 out 350 mps voted. Also some Ruto men voted for BBI for their own reason. Ruto remembers has no official position on BBI - Mps are free to vote yes or no. Ruto has clearly said he is not leading NOs.

Only 83 opposed? Wasn't that figure supposed to be 139?
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[Nowayhaha]

Isnt by voting Yes giving Uhuru a weapon to materialize some of the content without going the referendum way , If the Courts decide to either derail or delay the referendum .

These people seem not to have studied Uhuru closely. Let him meet with his family members ,dealers ,drunk buddies & St Marys Old Boys . Mtajua hamjui ....

[RV Pundit]

Precisely. But judiciary will block this. The judiciary are mad with him for blocking 42 judges hiring and promotion - leave alone the ombusdman.

Isnt by voting Yes giving Uhuru a weapon to materialize some of the content without going the referendum way , If the Courts decide to either derail or delay the referendum .

These people seem not to have studied Uhuru closely. Let him meet with his family members ,dealers ,drunk buddies & St Marys Old Boys . Mtajua hamjui ....

[Kadudu]

Do not count on the judiciary. JSC is clearly in Uhuru's pocket and the SCOK judges starting from acting CJ have been humbled. CJ will soon be occupied by one who will not dare oppose the Executive. I would not put all my eggs in that judiciary basket.

Precisely. But judiciary will block this. The judiciary are mad with him for blocking 42 judges hiring and promotion - leave alone the ombusdman.

[Nowayhaha]

RV , you seem to trust Judiciary too much even with past experience . I for example  have my hopes on them but still warry due to the machinations ongoing .

A sneak preview

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/article/2001402765/court-puts-breaks-on-bbi-referendum

Currently the BBI cases are with High Court under Justices Joel Ngugi, George Odunga, Jairus Ngaah, Janet Mulwa and Chacha Mwita, The high court is known for Jurisprudence , We might have an idea how the following activist Judges will rule  Joel Ngugi, George Odunga, Chacha Mwita . Most likely rule against BBI .Regardless of the ruling the aggrieved party (Either Petitioners or respondents will take it to the next stage being Court of Appeal .(We will come back to the COA) .

Meanwhile lets jump to the SC . First Kenya Supreme court is known for not having Jurisprudence (Bahati Nasibu - Pata Potea) Reasons has been give for this , its still in the development stages etc etc

Secondly as early as March SC chickened out on BBI cases, maybe a lesson after 2017  debacle or because 7th Day Adventist /Rightist is left the courts or have been threatened with consequences (JSC/DCI ,DPP or Ombudsman )   

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-03-16-supreme-court-declines-to-hear-bbi-case-filed-by-three-counties/[ /quote]


 Thirdly as we speak Executive have been able to capture the Supreme Court , The following are the Judges  & from the look of it it smells BBI (You need only need 4 judges to win - If the case was to end up there you already know the outcome .

Njoki Ndungu 
Philomena Mwilu
Mohammed K. Ibrahim
Smokin  Wanjala
Isaac Lenaola
Martha Koome (Incomming)
William Ouko (Incomming)

Now the real battle ground will be in the Court of appeal , as we speak the President is on his way to Supreme Court . An election will have to be held to determine the next President who determines which Judges will handle the cases . Its hard to deliberate how the COA judges will vote , they can decide to appease the current CJ & JSC and vote a pro-Executive President who will then assign the BBI cases to pro-executive judges and in that we have a referendum in July 2021 , or they can decide to elect a Pro-Judiciary hardliner and have them derail the BBI and there goes Bye Bye BBI.

Based on the thinking of Uhuru insiders and how they were able to take DPP office by dangling a carrot to Tobiko , they might entice one of COA judges with Ombudsman so they can be well protected with  former judge Martha in JSC, Current COA Judge Warsame in JSC and incomming Ombudsman in JSC . Lets see how it goes .   
 

Precisely. But judiciary will block this. The judiciary are mad with him for blocking 42 judges hiring and promotion - leave alone the ombusdman.

Isnt by voting Yes giving Uhuru a weapon to materialize some of the content without going the referendum way , If the Courts decide to either derail or delay the referendum .

These people seem not to have studied Uhuru closely. Let him meet with his family members ,dealers ,drunk buddies & St Marys Old Boys . Mtajua hamjui ....

[RV Pundit]

Most judges are angry with Uhuru blocking their promotion and snitching on them with NIS fitina - so this payback times. But you're spot on Ngugi, Odunga and Chacha from past ruling are progressive pro-people anti-gov kind of judges. So BBI will drink water in high court.

Now before it get to SC.

It has to go to Court of Appeal.

There it will drink water...Court of Appeal is now down to 15 judges or so...from normal 30 judges....after Uhuru stopped promition and hiring..to replace dead, retired or promoted COA judges..so those judges at COA are totally overworked. In fact if BBI get there...they will deliver ruling in 2023 if they are smart

Now by time it goes to SC - that will be 2024!

Pretty much everyone in Judiciary hates Uhuru except maybe 2 or 3 connected judges.

And Uhuru with BBI bribed everyone except the JUDICIARY that he wants controlled. Will judiciary allow him to hang them - he already shown the rope in the 41 judges debacle - and ombusdman first business will be those 41 judges.

It going nowhere this BBI.

RV , you seem to trust Judiciary too much even with past experience . I for example  have my hopes on them but still warry due to the machinations ongoing .

A sneak preview

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/article/2001402765/court-puts-breaks-on-bbi-referendum

Currently the BBI cases are with High Court under Justices Joel Ngugi, George Odunga, Jairus Ngaah, Janet Mulwa and Chacha Mwita, The high court is known for Jurisprudence , We might have an idea how the following activist Judges will rule  Joel Ngugi, George Odunga, Chacha Mwita . Most likely rule against BBI .Regardless of the ruling the aggrieved party (Either Petitioners or respondents will take it to the next stage being Court of Appeal .(We will come back to the COA) .

Meanwhile lets jump to the SC . First Kenya Supreme court is known for not having Jurisprudence (Bahati Nasibu - Pata Potea) Reasons has been give for this , its still in the development stages etc etc

Secondly as early as March SC chickened out on BBI cases, maybe a lesson after 2017  debacle or because 7th Day Adventist /Rightist is left the courts or have been threatened with consequences (JSC/DCI ,DPP or Ombudsman )   

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-03-16-supreme-court-declines-to-hear-bbi-case-filed-by-three-counties/[ /quote]


 Thirdly as we speak Executive have been able to capture the Supreme Court , The following are the Judges  & from the look of it it smells BBI (You need only need 4 judges to win - If the case was to end up there you already know the outcome .

Njoki Ndungu 
Philomena Mwilu
Mohammed K. Ibrahim
Smokin  Wanjala
Isaac Lenaola
Martha Koome (Incomming)
William Ouko (Incomming)

Now the real battle ground will be in the Court of appeal , as we speak the President is on his way to Supreme Court . An election will have to be held to determine the next President who determines which Judges will handle the cases . Its hard to deliberate how the COA judges will vote , they can decide to appease the current CJ & JSC and vote a pro-Executive President who will then assign the BBI cases to pro-executive judges and in that we have a referendum in July 2021 , or they can decide to elect a Pro-Judiciary hardliner and have them derail the BBI and there goes Bye Bye BBI.

Based on the thinking of Uhuru insiders and how they were able to take DPP office by dangling a carrot to Tobiko , they might entice one of COA judges with Ombudsman so they can be well protected with  former judge Martha in JSC, Current COA Judge Warsame in JSC and incomming Ombudsman in JSC . Lets see how it goes .   
 

Precisely. But judiciary will block this. The judiciary are mad with him for blocking 42 judges hiring and promotion - leave alone the ombusdman.

Isnt by voting Yes giving Uhuru a weapon to materialize some of the content without going the referendum way , If the Courts decide to either derail or delay the referendum .

These people seem not to have studied Uhuru closely. Let him meet with his family members ,dealers ,drunk buddies & St Marys Old Boys . Mtajua hamjui ....

[Nefertiti]

Desperation kweli. Judges rule on law and evidence not feelings of annoyance. There is nothing illegal about BBI - Aukot already ran to court with same nonsense. Those cases just make it easier to delay it to Aug 2022.

  naturally this latest vote further exposes Ruto's "150 MPs" imaginary support. And no, Uhuru has no leeway to declare some clauses as law, that is just the usual cheap spin and desperation. Popular initiave, donge? But let's wait for few days and see.

Precisely. But judiciary will block this. The judiciary are mad with him for blocking 42 judges hiring and promotion - leave alone the ombusdman.

[Nefertiti]

Only URP voted no. Gema yes 100% - including the foul-mouthed Kimani Ngunjiri.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-05-07-10-mps-pull-surprise-go-against-the-grain-in-bbi-vote/

[Nefertiti]

Even Diani boy Feisal Bader voted yes... hustler "first-born" 

[RV Pundit]

Go slow until it pans out. As of now...judiciary has the ball. If held in 2022 - Ruto prophetic advice would have pan out.

8 cases - mean there is a lot of ironing that needed to have been done - through Referendum Law - that Uhuru was not keen on. That tell you someone is playng games.

Desperation kweli. Judges rule on law and evidence not feelings of annoyance. There is nothing illegal about BBI - Aukot already ran to court with same nonsense. Those cases just make it easier to delay it to Aug 2022.

  naturally this latest vote further exposes Ruto's "150 MPs" imaginary support. And no, Uhuru has no leeway to declare some clauses as law, that is just the usual cheap spin and desperation. Popular initiave, donge? But let's wait for few days and see.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto has no horse in BBI and Mps were voting for the propaganda of more constitutuencies in their locale. Others they remain Ruto men and women

Even Diani boy Feisal Bader voted yes... hustler "first-born" 

[Nowayhaha]

Raila wants a contest, If I was Raila advisor and an inner circle like Otiende and Orengo before the intimidation , I would have advocated in voting No. That ensures a guarentee for Referendumn. But then again Raila continues to be shafted , he just gave Uhuru a WEAPON he can use if things dont go as planned. Akin to BBI 1 , BBI 2 , BBI 3.
If this was really connecting with the grounds you would have seen Mt Kenyans in the streets and in television talking of a victory. But oh well Robina still waiting for Uhuru to handover Mt Kenya to Raila through P.K.
Continue dreaming.
 

Desperation kweli. Judges rule on law and evidence not feelings of annoyance. There is nothing illegal about BBI - Aukot already ran to court with same nonsense. Those cases just make it easier to delay it to Aug 2022.

  naturally this latest vote further exposes Ruto's "150 MPs" imaginary support. And no, Uhuru has no leeway to declare some clauses as law, that is just the usual cheap spin and desperation. Popular initiave, donge? But let's wait for few days and see.

Precisely. But judiciary will block this. The judiciary are mad with him for blocking 42 judges hiring and promotion - leave alone the ombusdman.

[Nowayhaha]

And like Abdra Kadabra Ngunjiri and Feisal now support Raila.
And you wonder how is easy yo Big Pimpin NASA/ODM.

Even Diani boy Feisal Bader voted yes... hustler "first-born" 

[Nefertiti]

Usual spin. Ruto opposes BBI by night - neutral by day. For fear of offending Gema. Kati-kati is bad strategy - at least Raila has cast his die with Gema-Uhuru and left non-Gema to One Kenya.

Ruto has no horse in BBI and Mps were voting for the propaganda of more constitutuencies in their locale. Others they remain Ruto men and women

Even Diani boy Feisal Bader voted yes... hustler "first-born" 

[Nefertiti]

Greedy Ruto remind one of No feast for Kiundu - old mzee wanted to attend 2 feasts and wound up sleeping hungry after long treks.

[RV Pundit]

Central, Nairobi, RV and Coast got most of the seats..and Mps from there voted for that..but BBI is going nowhere. As for Ruto strategy..his formlessness is driving his opponent nuts.

Usual spin. Ruto opposes BBI by night - neutral by day. For fear of offending Gema. Kati-kati is bad strategy - at least Raila has cast his die with Gema-Uhuru and left non-Gema to One Kenya.

[audacityofhope]

BBI is nonsense to me and if it comes to casting my vote at the referendum, I will vote NO. But I want to say this:

While y'all reduce this to some armchair contest between Robina and Pundit and how somehow a Judiciary that now has a bottom-of-the-class as the new CJ will stand in the way of the machinations of a rogue executive, I am surprised none on this forum has seen the real significance of today's vote. The vote was won by 2/3 majority. Tafakari! Reduced to a paltry 83 MPs to count on in parliament, gives ideas to the other side. WSR precariously is now vulnerable to being removed from the office of the DP by a parliamentary vote of no confidence. And on that Judiciary will not stop such business of the house going ahead if it were on the order paper. Luto is about to be released to his UDA where he can campaign freely for 2022.

Desperation kweli. Judges rule on law and evidence not feelings of annoyance. There is nothing illegal about BBI - Aukot already ran to court with same nonsense. Those cases just make it easier to delay it to Aug 2022.

  naturally this latest vote further exposes Ruto's "150 MPs" imaginary support . And no, Uhuru has no leeway to declare some clauses as law, that is just the usual cheap spin and desperation. Popular initiave, donge? But let's wait for few days and see.

Precisely. But judiciary will block this. The judiciary are mad with him for blocking 42 judges hiring and promotion - leave alone the ombusdman.