KE SO FAR: 3 hustlers, 1 dynasty ... but all kikuyu & kalenjin

[Nefertiti]

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hustlers
1. Jomo Kenyatta - meter reader rode on bicycle around Nairobi estates

2. Daniel Moi - primary teacher educated by missionary

3. Mwai Kibali - son of a tobacco hawker worked as makanga to raise tuition

dynasty
Uhuru Kenyatta- son of Jomo grew up as rich kid

That makes it 3 hustlers vs dynasty 1... the only debate worth having is tribal inclusion 

What poor Baba has been struggling to tell you, wacha uongo, porojo na fitina.

[RV Pundit]

Keep trying. This forum has limited leadership. Head to facebook and twitter.
All we can do is help you understand things.
Why is hustler nation message popular.
It's not because Ruto is poor. He is a billioanire who own choppers and land in almost all counties now almost competing with Kenyattas.

It's because the sons of the rich men have ganged up. When you have Uhuru, Gideon, Raila, MaDVD in one camp -  all fighting Ruto - for it appears no genuine reason - except his background - then Hustler Nation RESONATES.

You can struggle like Raila to counter that narrative all day.
You can go tribal like Uhuru and even try to incite Kalenjin-kikuyu war - now he's given up - and gone for rotational presidency.

But ultimately the problem is simple - GANGING up of the sons of presidents/vice-presidents/ministers - against the son of a pauper - has created a powerful narrative that has allowed Ruto to blur  the usual tribal lines - made Ruto popular from Mombasa to Malaba - from Moyale to Namaga.

Now add BBI (which to many kenyans mean adding more executive positions and mps) - and then CORONA - and dynasties are indeed truly guilty - for trying to create and perpetuate a dynasty - like Moi was in 2002.

Kenyans have no history of kings and dynasties - so they will resist this.

And of course Ruto is very good with propaganda and messaging.

Yes the two tribes - is good counter - from Non-GEMA  (Raila used this in 2013-2017) - but for a GEMA politician to say that - he would be killing his political career - for he will be condemning his own people to political siberian - almost forever. Uhuru has therefore turned his 20 percent remaining support towards zero.Those kikuyus who were giving him the benefit of doubt can now see that he has indeed lost it - this is like Kalenin and Moi - it took some people some time to realize Moi was now beyond senile.

[Nefertiti]

That's the general view on twirra lead your MOAS co-inventor Prof Ngunyi. But keep trying too. Hustler is URP Tangatanga rebels without a cause and lots of smoke.

[Nefertiti]

Principally i think class is a tough battle cause it not DNA. The other guy can give better goodies- 35%, youth or women funds, etc - and folks will think twice. But you can't change people tribe nor spin away the fact of 2 tribe monopoly. I have seen Ruto groupies attempting to explain that he is Nandi not Tugen like Moi - that akin to rubbing in the salt.

[RV Pundit]

You're only one still selling BBI - if it's unpopular in GEMA - who you reckon are greatest beneficiary - then it dead everywhere.
BBI has 20% national support - and has been sold for 3yrs. It cannot be salvaged - and anybody selling it now - is just preparing to join Uhuru in retirement - but without pay. Uhuru will be getting 100M for kenya gov every month for the rest of his life.

Your friends have now abandoned BBI/Handshake - are back to default settings - 2013 - Another Kikuyu/Kalenjin - 2017 - failed propaganda.

The problem they have to cut their nose to spite at their face - I mean Kikuyus have to take lead in the propaganda - for it fair better than 2013.

Meanwhile Ruto the greatest propagandist has his message, platform and is just busy harvesting -

Principally i think class is a tough battle cause it not DNA. The other guy can give better goodies- 35%, youth or women funds, etc - and folks will think twice. But you can't change people tribe nor spin away the fact of 2 tribe monopoly. I have seen Ruto groupies attempting to explain that he is Nandi not Tugen like Moi - that akin to rubbing in the salt.

[Nefertiti]

it must be a slow morning in Mavoko. 2 tribe maneno cements BBI inclusion in non-Gema. That only battlefield for Raila. Mt Kenya Uhuru & PK will deal with Ruto - so far you have people defecting to Raila 1 year to elections - we are still waiting to see the ground coerce them. Some of these Kiraitus, Ephraims and Ndwigas have been winning elections since Uhuruto were in diapers.You got nothing to teach them.

Get this: it will take all of few days to clean out the handful of Ruto remnants  Nyoro, Kuria, Wahome. Just a few Nazi reminders - Kiambaa genocide - and you are done. Ngunyi and those madoa doa fliers are only prepping you for the ultimate. Ruto is normally so calm did you see how rattled he looked on Sunday? Last he was that way was when Ocampo published the suspects.

[Nefertiti]

as i opined earlier Ruto may be slightly better in propaganda but Baba simply has more tools. Kabila mbili is for non-Gema. Uhurutopia is long dead - that was the harder part - BBI is only a sweetner for Gema. Ultimately the Jews will not elect Hitler.

[RV Pundit]

Why is Kangata defecting - yet he was enthroned few months ago - GEMA are resolute against Raila. Take your medicine.
And Ruto doesn't even need all that many GEMA.

As long as Raila is in the ticket - Ruto will win GEMA - and now he is also winning Non-GEMA.

it must be a slow morning in Mavoko. 2 tribe maneno cements BBI inclusion in non-Gema. That only battlefield for Raila. Mt Kenya Uhuru & PK will deal with Ruto - so far you have people defecting to Raila 1 year to elections - we are still waiting to see the ground coerce them. Some of these Kiraitus, Ephraims and Ndwigas have been winning elections since Uhuruto were in diapers.You got nothing to teach them.

Get this: it will take all of few days to clean out the handful of Ruto remnants  Nyoro, Kuria, Wahome. Just a few Nazi reminders - Kiambaa genocide - and you are done. Ngunyi and those madoa doa fliers are only prepping you for the ultimate. Ruto is normally so calm did you see how rattled he looked on Sunday? Last he was that way was when Ocampo published the suspects.

[RV Pundit]

GEMA have elected Ruto twice as their DPORK - 3 times - and Ruto is at home there. Raila ndio hako na shida uko.

And like I told you Ruto doesn't need GEMA - because he is taking Raila's ODM out - and leave him with Nyanza.

Ruto is now competitive in nearly all counties bar I told you I think 7 - SIaya, Kisumu, Homabay, Kitui and Vihiga.

as i opined earlier Ruto may be slightly better in propaganda but Baba simply has more tools. Kabila mbili is for non-Gema. Uhurutopia is long dead - that was the harder part - BBI is only a sweetner for Gema. Ultimately the Jews will not elect Hitler.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

I really don't buy this hustler thing, Kenyans always vote along tribal lines. I will be mighty surprised if that changes come 2022. We a need rotational presidency. Raila'a assertion that two ethnic groups have been leading Kenya since independence has gained a lot of traction. You can vote hustler at your own risk, as soon as Ruto enters State House he will name a cabinet full of his tribe not hustlers. Kenyans beware!

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I really don't buy this hustler thing, Kenyans always vote along tribal lines. I will be mighty surprised if that changes come 2022. We a need rotational presidency. Raila'a assertion that two ethnic groups have been leading Kenya since independence has gained a lot of traction. You can vote hustler at your own risk, as soon as Ruto enters State House he will name a cabinet full of his tribe not hustlers. Kenyans beware!

Yep.  The Kenyan is animated by tribe.  You wrap your narrative around it.  Corruption, economic policies, wheelbarrows, hustling and dynasties is just too much to process once that monkey wrench is thrown into the ring.  Ugly but also facts.

[RV Pundit]

If a tribe has a strong candidate or leader they will rally behind it but if they don't they will split.For example Gusii normally would split but on 2002 they rallied behind Nyachae..the same is about to happen if Matiangi manages to rally them.GEMA don't appear to have strong candidates in 2022 of their own and will likely vote less tribally..or at least split their votes into factions.Kalenjin and Luos will rally 98 percent for Raila and Ruto.Tribal vote is linked to community interest.The national narrative like hustler nation, orange movement , narc rainbow alliance are great for generating the momentum to rally those without horses on the race to feel they are part of it.You cannot just do ethnic politics in a crude way.You need to clothe it up so people voting Raila don't feel they are voting a Luo but leader representing their interests.

[Nowayhaha]

In African culture its forbiden to talk about dead people .
Lets talk about future - Upcoming elections - Who is a dynasty and who is a hustler ? Raila or Ruto ?

hustlers
1. Jomo Kenyatta - meter reader rode on bicycle around Nairobi estates

2. Daniel Moi - primary teacher educated by missionary

3. Mwai Kibali - son of a tobacco hawker worked as makanga to raise tuition

dynasty
Uhuru Kenyatta- son of Jomo grew up as rich kid

That makes it 3 hustlers vs dynasty 1... the only debate worth having is tribal inclusion 

What poor Baba has been struggling to tell you, wacha uongo, porojo na fitina.

[Nowayhaha]

Remember not long ago Ngunyi was tslking the hustler language and he knew who was going to be the President come 2022

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That's the general view on twirra lead your MOAS co-inventor Prof Ngunyi. But keep trying too. Hustler is URP Tangatanga rebels without a cause and lots of smoke.

[Nowayhaha]

Keep on trying to change the narrative  - Success
In 2002 I tried so hard when I was supporting KANU & Uhuru - Kenyans had none of that 

Principally i think class is a tough battle cause it not DNA. The other guy can give better goodies- 35%, youth or women funds, etc - and folks will think twice. But you can't change people tribe nor spin away the fact of 2 tribe monopoly. I have seen Ruto groupies attempting to explain that he is Nandi not Tugen like Moi - that akin to rubbing in the salt.

[Nowayhaha]

When Mt Kenya and Rift valley unite - Ohh they are tribal , but when the narrative changes to hustler Movement oooh Kenyans vote along tribal lines - You need to decide which is which  - truth of the matter you made your bed lay on it .
Anti RV + MK will only embolded them , right now no one wants to hear anything Uhuru is  selling in Mt Kenya - He just scored an own goal , you cannot sell BBI in Mt Kenya where as at the same time telling them to forget leading Kenya again , what kind of madness is that .

I really don't buy this hustler thing, Kenyans always vote along tribal lines. I will be mighty surprised if that changes come 2022. We a need rotational presidency. Raila'a assertion that two ethnic groups have been leading Kenya since independence has gained a lot of traction. You can vote hustler at your own risk, as soon as Ruto enters State House he will name a cabinet full of his tribe not hustlers. Kenyans beware!

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

If a tribe has a strong candidate or leader they will rally behind it but if they don't they will split.For example Gusii normally would split but on 2002 they rallied behind Nyachae..the same is about to happen if Matiangi manages to rally them.GEMA don't appear to have strong candidates in 2022 of their own and will likely vote less tribally..or at least split their votes into factions.Kalenjin and Luos will rally 98 percent for Raila and Ruto.

That's one way you can look at it.  Another way you can slice it is in terms of tribes that have not tasted power vs those that have.  This seems to be kamwana's gist at that funeral.  He doesn't need GEMA for that to work IMO.

Tribal vote is linked to community interest.The national narrative like hustler nation, orange movement , narc rainbow alliance are great for generating the momentum to rally those without horses on the race to feel they are part of it.You cannot just do ethnic politics in a crude way.You need to clothe it up so people voting Raila don't feel they are voting a Luo but leader representing their interests.

Everybody knows, you can only have one tribe at the top.  The argument that some tribes have had their share can resonate with more than 2 tribes.  You don't need hustler/wheelbarrows or anything else to push that narrative.  Kenyans have accepted it's about tribe more than anything else.  In that context Raila can sell himself as the hammer to crush the monopoly of 2 tribes and open the way for others to get their turn.

[Nefertiti]

Who is from the wrong tribe - Raila or Ruto?

In African culture its forbiden to talk about dead people .
Lets talk about future - Upcoming elections - Who is a dynasty and who is a hustler ? Raila or Ruto ?

hustlers
1. Jomo Kenyatta - meter reader rode on bicycle around Nairobi estates

2. Daniel Moi - primary teacher educated by missionary

3. Mwai Kibali - son of a tobacco hawker worked as makanga to raise tuition

dynasty
Uhuru Kenyatta- son of Jomo grew up as rich kid

That makes it 3 hustlers vs dynasty 1... the only debate worth having is tribal inclusion 

What poor Baba has been struggling to tell you, wacha uongo, porojo na fitina.

[Nefertiti]

That's one way you can look at it.  Another way you can slice it is in terms of tribes that have not tasted power vs those that have.  This seems to be kamwana's gist at that funeral.  He doesn't need GEMA for that to work IMO.

Yes kabila mbili narrative will kill Ruto in non-Gema. Gema itself is Ruto's soft underbelly - the well recorded history of PEV is a tank of gasoline that can blow up in his face any minute. This is why Murkomen keeps calling press conferences to claim there are plans to engineer tribal animosity in RV and blame it on Ruto. Pundit & Noway keep selling Raila is the enemy but you don't even need ng'oa sangari leaflets or Kiambaa massacre videos to shear off Ruto's sheep skin. When the bloke is rattled like Sunday his warrior claws are on full display.