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Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« on: December 30, 2020, 08:19:58 AM »
EACC claims you're permanently banned from vying for office

Offline RV Pundit

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Re: Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2020, 09:23:23 AM »
If the matter is pending appeal?

uhuru was removed (or resigned) being minister of finance upon being charged by ICC as per chapter six...but still was eligible to run.

If such ruling is allowed to stand...it will have serious ramification..because all you need to remove somebody permanently from politics..is have them impeached.

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Re: Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2020, 02:05:01 PM »
Criminal conviction vs political conviction is such fine line - black & white. Political conviction only locks you out of office - you retain your freedom. The threshold is lower definitely. If you are convicted of ethical crimes - such as fraud or CAH - then you lose both right to public office and personal freedom - jail.

About political witch-hunts - only governors can be impeached. While any Kenyan can be equally criminally framed and convicted by a court. I see no distinct danger or risk of frame jobs. Simple: DO NOT LOOT PUBLIC COFFERS. Do not commit crimes. In any case 2 out of 47 governors is hardly a cause for alarm. I am much more concerned by the wanton looting.

RV Pundit really? you tend to get confused by these integrity issues. Is it because most "hustlers" are actually thieves? One day you should fall a ponzi victim and get a clue. Waititu and Sonko kind should never have been elected and this is good riddance. That someone broke out of prison - had a dozen ongoing fraud cases - got elected :o ...obviously it was a matter of time before they were kicked out and permanently banished. Nairobians should look in the mirror and be ashamed of themselves.
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Re: Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2020, 02:30:55 PM »
Pundit don't worry they have no numbers nor evidence to impeach Ruto.. that definitely your problem :)
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Re: Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2020, 03:39:05 PM »
Chapter Six in its purity should have applied to the dynamic duo right from 2013.
Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244

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Re: Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2020, 05:20:57 PM »
Chapter six has to be understood in context..of state officer..who is elected political animal..by kenyans..and state officials appointed.This is basic foundation.Uhuru therefore could not meet threshold to become minister but can become pork.Sonko cannot be hired in any gov position but can be elected.Article 1 is clear. PEOPLE IN FREE WILL HAVE THE OVERRIDING ROLE TO CONVINCT JESUS AND RELEASE BARBAS.It basic law.Chapter say for example state officials should not  belong to political parties or  be partisan.Chapter six therefore largely apply to appointed state officers.The rest let Nairobi decide what kind of integrity they want otherwise you apply chapter six blindly and we move from democracy to china meritocracy...soon people will revolt because gov of the day will sieve out opponents for failing chapter six.Like Matiba use to say LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE .Herod allowed Jews to convict messiah and release a notorious criminal...because people thought jesus crimes as a heretic sect leader attacking Judaism was more dangerous.Democracy or Moi would say temokrasia.If Nairobi want waitutu..wapewe.A million people cannot be that stupid...there has to become redeeming factor

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Re: Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2020, 05:53:40 PM »
Sonko, Waititu, Uhuru, Ruto already got elected - the people decided in 2013, 17.

The same people elected assembly and senate who impeached Sonko, Waititu. Noone stopped the two from running to high court, CoA, SCORK to overturn the impeachments  - but the 14 days appeal window is gone now so their fate is sealed.

The very Wanjikus voted Cok2010 judges - who cleared Uhuru, Ruto to run. If ICC senior magistrate Ekaterina had convicted Uhuruto - and appeal chamber upheld or they fail to appeal within legal window - they would lose their presidency. And become permanently ineligible.

See? No confusion. Appointed official get fired or step down immediately - elected must get convicted first and exhaust appeal. In fact Pundit - since MCA, MPs and senators are elected unlike judges - they have the right amount of mandate to politically convict - and you still get to appeal.

That LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE is slippery slope. The people can also elect a foreigner or Al Shaabab. There must be standards.
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Re: Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2020, 06:01:52 PM »
What wrong with people deciding anything..that is democracy

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Re: Pundit, EACC claims once impeached you cannot run for office
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2020, 07:19:01 PM »
The courts need to clear out this. EACC under Uhuru appointees cannot be trusted.
Ruto needs to rush to court as the hounds have tasted blood.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine