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The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« on: December 04, 2020, 09:32:19 PM »
Don't see how the Nuer and Dinka boys will end their immature wars.

https://nation.africa/kenya/news/africa/military-clashes-between-kiir-machar-soldiers-leave-four-dead--3218574

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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2020, 02:46:20 AM »
What was the point of independence from Sudan if they are going to fight perpetually? South Sudan itself may need to be partitioned. Both those tribes are thuggish, loose cannons with hair trigger tempers. I don't think civilization can take root among those people. Failed branch of the human evolution.
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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2020, 03:23:01 AM »
Kenya is lucky their cousin luos and their immature leaders have not been allowed to lead. It could have been a disaster we saw with Uganda and now South Sudan. The problem is just immaturity. The Luo-Dinka-Nuer-Lango never really grow up. They really miss that rite of passage where kids are taught to be mature and manly. That some fight are not worthy it. That some ego and pride is childish. That they need to be strategic and tactical as adults - and reduce the emotions.

Now they will continue to fight over almost anything like small kids on a playground. Men rarely fight coz they know it can be deadly.Otherwise called jaluo jinga in kenya.

What was the point of independence from Sudan if they are going to fight perpetually? South Sudan itself may need to be partitioned. Both those tribes are thuggish, loose cannons with hair trigger tempers. I don't think civilization can take root among those people. Failed branch of the human evolution.

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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2020, 03:51:26 AM »
Kenya is lucky their cousin luos and their immature leaders have not been allowed to lead. It could have been a disaster we saw with Uganda and now South Sudan. The problem is just immaturity. The Luo-Dinka-Nuer-Lango never really grow up. They really miss that rite of passage where kids are taught to be mature and manly. That some fight are not worthy it. That some ego and pride is childish. That they need to be strategic and tactical as adults.

Now they will continue to fight over almost anything like small kids on a playground. Men rarely fight coz they know it can be deadly.Otherwise called jaluo jinga in kenya.

You seem to be reveling in anti Luo prejudice lately? You want to outdo your in laws it seems.

No rite of passage could tame those unruly freaks. They are just genetic mutants who should just die out.
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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2020, 04:12:51 AM »
My first visit to Kisumu was in 1990 - I remember going to snake park :) - and two Luos fighting on the street :) - must have been Jaramogi or Kenyatta street - we stood there - the entire school - to watch them - fight - but I think what impressed us they never took stones or sticks - they fought like a boxing ring - with their hands only. In kalenjin land - fights can become very deadly very quickly - because people carry swords or would pick sticks or stones very quickly. It why fights are really rare and discouraged. You can abuse somebody but he will likely flag it as "kids" talk - in fact the most common kalenjin word is to say "the kid has burped" when someone saying something childish or want to start some war. Kalenjin fight - as last resort - almost somebody is guaranteed to end up in a hospital - badly injured - if not dead. The two street luos did a few boxing and kick-boxing - some bleeding gums- and it ended - enough for us to buy groundnuts :)

Now South Sudan is like Kisumu I saw - Trigger Happy - Fights are going to keep erupting over the slightest disagreement. If a Luo was PORK in kenya - it will be the same - your people walk with their pride and ego on their hands. Disagreement would result in civil war like we saw in Uganda.

Which prejudice. We have bordered Luos for 500yrs or even more - in Sudan I bet.  It an real issue.

Kipsigis including my grandfather and father who studied and lived with Luos - were always right on the mark.

The major tribal groups bordering the Kipsigis, and the general Kipsigis stereotype of each may be summarized as follows:

To the north, the Nandi,, differing from the Kipsigis only in very minor ways. Said to be brave, strong, even-tempered and peaceful among themselves, trustworthy, sexually strict, and so forth. To the Kipsigis they are "just the same as we are."
To the south, the Maasai, whose culture in many ways represents extreme developments of Kipsigis tendencies. Described as fearless in battle, arrogant, aggressive, cruel, manly, direct in their dealings with others, wealthy in cattle and stubborn about modern changes. They are as much to be admired as to be feared.
To the southwest, the Bantu Gusii, hot-headed and quarrelsome, unruly, noisy, dirty, afraid of the ark. In sum, an unsavory bunch nut dangerous because of their large numbers.
To the Northwest, the Nilotic Luo, meek, cowardly, strong in the use of magic but pushovers in a direct confrontation, sexually rather loose, poor, well-suited for menial, manual labor. To the Kipsigis the Luo are women, or at best children.


You seem to be reveling in anti Luo prejudice lately? You want to outdo your in laws it seems.

No rite of passage could tame those unruly freaks. They are just genetic mutants who should just die out.

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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2020, 04:57:10 AM »
My first visit to Kisumu was in 1990 - I remember going to snake park :) - and two Luos fighting on the street :) - must have been Jaramogi or Kenyatta street - we stood there - the entire school - to watch them - fight - but I think what impressed us they never took stones or sticks - they fought like a boxing ring - with their hands only. In kalenjin land - fights can become very deadly very quickly - because people carry swords or would pick sticks or stones very quickly. It why fights are really rare and discouraged. You can abuse somebody but he will likely flag it as "kids" talk - in fact the most common kalenjin word is to say "the kid has burped" when someone saying something childish or want to start some war. Kalenjin fight - as last resort - almost somebody is guaranteed to end up in a hospital - badly injured - if not dead. The two street luos did a few boxing and kick-boxing - some bleeding gums- and it ended - enough for us to buy groundnuts :)

Now South Sudan is like Kisumu I saw - Trigger Happy - Fights are going to keep erupting over the slightest disagreement. If a Luo was PORK in kenya - it will be the same - your people walk with their pride and ego on their hands. Disagreement would result in civil war like we saw in Uganda.

Which prejudice. We have bordered Luos for 500yrs or even more - in Sudan I bet.  It an real issue.

Kipsigis including my grandfather and father who studied and lived with Luos - were always right on the mark.

The major tribal groups bordering the Kipsigis, and the general Kipsigis stereotype of each may be summarized as follows:

To the north, the Nandi,, differing from the Kipsigis only in very minor ways. Said to be brave, strong, even-tempered and peaceful among themselves, trustworthy, sexually strict, and so forth. To the Kipsigis they are "just the same as we are."
To the south, the Maasai, whose culture in many ways represents extreme developments of Kipsigis tendencies. Described as fearless in battle, arrogant, aggressive, cruel, manly, direct in their dealings with others, wealthy in cattle and stubborn about modern changes. They are as much to be admired as to be feared.
To the southwest, the Bantu Gusii, hot-headed and quarrelsome, unruly, noisy, dirty, afraid of the ark. In sum, an unsavory bunch nut dangerous because of their large numbers.
To the Northwest, the Nilotic Luo, meek, cowardly, strong in the use of magic but pushovers in a direct confrontation, sexually rather loose, poor, well-suited for menial, manual labor. To the Kipsigis the Luo are women, or at best children.

This insha should be titled delusions of grandeur from a poor Lumbwa's perspective. I know dirty kipsikis very well, don't make spill the beans. Filthy sexual mores. 
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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2020, 08:29:53 AM »
Modern Kenya has had a few genocides majority committed by the Kalenjin over political spillovers from the 60s. But the Luo are somehow dangerous. I mean Nandis and Kipsigis have been brutal savages for centuries or millennia - killing at slightest provocation - but the Luo are emotional? :o

It's Pundit's temperaments and politics that resemble Dinkas and Nuers.
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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2020, 08:32:26 AM »
Ironically the (North) Sudan is getting her shit together with all sanctions lifted and new alliances. The animist southern rebels were the excuse for Bashirs to cling and misrule.
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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2020, 10:58:47 AM »
Modern Kenya has had a few genocides majority committed by the Kalenjin over political spillovers from the 60s. But the Luo are somehow dangerous. I mean Nandis and Kipsigis have been brutal savages for centuries or millennia - killing at slightest provocation - but the Luo are emotional? :o

It's Pundit's temperaments and politics that resemble Dinkas and Nuers.
They are not dangerous but you don't give a kid a grenade to play with it..that become very dangerous .Of Kenya  65yrs of independence kalenjin has served as PORK and DPORK for 50yrs for a reason...we have the right temperament  and maturity..and we will add 10yrs with Ruto as pork inshallah

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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2020, 01:50:32 PM »
Modern Kenya has had a few genocides majority committed by the Kalenjin over political spillovers from the 60s. But the Luo are somehow dangerous. I mean Nandis and Kipsigis have been brutal savages for centuries or millennia - killing at slightest provocation - but the Luo are emotional? :o

It's Pundit's temperaments and politics that resemble Dinkas and Nuers.
They are not dangerous but you don't give a kid a grenade to play with it..that become very dangerous .Of Kenya  65yrs of independence kalenjin has served as PORK and DPORK for 50yrs for a reason...we have the right temperament  and maturity..and we will add 10yrs with Ruto as pork inshallah

We know you hate Luo and that's okay. Everyone hates someone. F&B hate Kalenjin after his folks were evicted.

Gema threatened Moi power and innocents were slaughtered. Luo protest elections now and then and nobody die except by cops. That is what maturity really is. Slaughtering people to take their cattle or land - ha! - that is a culture of immaturity. The Luo presidency will be very peaceful, progressive and transformational.
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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2020, 04:10:30 PM »
Why wasn't it in Uganda n south Sudan. WE HAVE SEEN THE SAME IMMATURITY IN RAILA.

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Re: The country of boys...Machar-Kiir wars
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2020, 10:27:26 AM »
Suckers are so lucky.  No stray bullets are yet to hit them. I hear they are keeping civil servants salaries since June for interest and exchange gains. The fight must have been on sharing ratios.
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