Ethiopia War - Special Thread- What is this about? EGO?

[KenyanPlato]

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The melanin man like suffering. He enjoys seeing his kin getting ravaged by subsahara poverty and famine

These poor souls have fled to the other hell hole called Sudan

They need to appoint a Trigay Deputy PM to deputize this young Abiy idiot



Idiotic war.. EGO war

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

When I see the refugee camps, I remember reading up about Goma in Eastern DRC.  The UN refugee camps became magnets for the locals because of the the "nice" things they had.  Jobs, food, clean water etc.

[KenyanPlato]

Yeah it is good business.. WFP feeds these malnourished Melanin Wretched a good porridge. A constant RATION of good soy will keep the African Tethered to the camp so that he can Circumcise his or her girls in peace.

[RV Pundit]

Yes it useless ego fight. Ethiopians badly want to teach tigray a lesson - for meles zenawi excess- but Tigrays are good fighters, have stockpiled weapons and their mountainous terrain is crazy.

They either negotiate or prepare for Tigray to become independent state.

It's like taking war to Pokot...except they are 5m.

[KenyanPlato]

Yes it useless ego fight. Ethiopians badly want to teach tigray a lesson - for meles zenawi excess- but Tigrays are good fighters, have stockpiled weapons and their mountainous terrain is crazy.

They either negotiate or prepare for Tigray to become independent state.

It's like taking war to Pokot...except they are 5m.

Oromos seem like Somalis. Idiots that will fight just to fight

[RV Pundit]

Yes - Oromo/Somali - are or were unconquered - or free people mostly - because they are hard to control into kingdoms. They call themselves galla or oromo -free people. The amhara are organized and are mostly farmers. The Tigrays feel superior to all Ethiopians.

Oromos seem like Somalis. Idiots that will fight just to fight

[KenyanPlato]

I cannot find the other thread

Anyway I had a lengthy conversation with my friend from Ethiopia

Our conversation was more her educating me on the history and politics surrounding the current conflict

As you all aware is that Abiy was appointed by TPLF to replace Zenawis successor who resigned after about 6 months in power

At that point due to corruption and looting the economy was failing badly and the Oromo rebels were gain ground on the TPLF govt. So abiy who is half Oromo and I believe Ahamaric or Tigray was what the TPLF leadership though Ethiopia needed to transition and help TPLF from losing power

The hardliners with TPLF appointed Abiy because they thought he would not have enough political clout to challenge their power. So the first year Abiy was literally under the house arrest. He had to seek approval for all the moves he made and was constantly being monitored. However Abiy being smart he waited till there was an attempt on his life and he moved on the Tigray. His first action was to reform the military. he forced all high ranking Tigray army leadership to retire. He said that the army 90% of the leadership was Tigray and 75% of the force for a community that controls less than 12% of population

Anyway after that he had to stay on Reconciliation path. He had pledged not retaliate or revenge on transgressions committed by TPLF Tigray over the years. But the TPLF hardliners interpreted this as weakness they could exploit and so they retreated to the regions and since the control almost all the businesses in all regions they used to clout to hire militias to destabilize the govt in the regions outside the Tigray controlled region. The problem here is that Abiy had to keep quite or face the possibility of a civil war

As for the conflict today
She said that everyone who is not Trigay wanted Abiy to go assert his power against TPLF and hold them accountable for all the crimes they committed during Zenawi regime

She said after Abiy capture the region he has gained a lot of support and now the Ahamara who have been displaced and ethnically cleansed by Tigrays in that region are backing Abiy strongly

on the reforms:
Abiy is conducting census that will be used as basis of negotiating Federation
Right now there are two camps one camp wants ethnic based Federation and the other is looking for more of a regional political federation

The TPLF, Oromos and Ahamaras favor the ethnic one as it gives them advantage over small tribes

However, most of the diaspora and elites favor a regional federation. The other issue that Ethiopia wants to have one official language. The current one that is widely used is Ahamaric but the oromos are resisting this as they seem adaption of that language nationally will water down they ethnic identity and promote Ahamara ones

The problems Abiy face are big, He is walking a tight rope but as of now the masses are with him and they want total liberation from the yolks of Tigray misrule

[Njuri Ncheke]

The melanin man like suffering. He enjoys seeing his kin getting ravaged by subsahara poverty and famine

These poor souls have fled to the other hell hole called Sudan

They need to appoint a Trigay Deputy PM to deputize this young Abiy idiot



Idiotic war.. EGO war

Ngo slow on the meth njamba. Yeah its Ego but in both sides, Tigray a privileged minority dint want to give up full power to equally the Mbig egoed Abiy from the majority Oromo who deemed it fit to start a war that will end up killing and displacing thousands. Very poor thinking from both sides but it won't even warrant a war. Abiy is showing signs of wanting to become an Emperor. It is in his head. Ethiopians will suffer blame both sides for these childish games.
Interestingly when Abiy met Uhuru at Moyale and the county officials there greeted and spoke to him in his native Oromo he acted surprised eti he remarked that he didn't know his oromo people lived in Kenya. To me this was being snobbish and aloof. Who does not know the borana living in Isiolo, Marsabit andd Tana river are Oromos so dumb of him

[RV Pundit]

With Sudan n Egypt opposed to the dam on Nile the tigray rebels will get lifeline despite being squeezed in by Eritrea

[KenyanPlato]

Sudan is with Abiy. So far it seems like Abiy has captured Tugray leadership and with either kill them or get consenssiobs from them. The amount of ethnic cleansing done by tplf under zenawi was too evil to go unpunished. Abit has been reluctant to punish his former party leaders but now he has no option but to crush them militarily and politically. Tigrays are jalenjins they are power drunk

[KenyanPlato]

Here is Former Ke speaker view on this
https://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=239625

This view is shared by majority of pro abiy ethiopians

[RV Pundit]

Most ethiopian and somalis and eritreans hate the Tigrays - coz they feel superior to all of them - but I don't tjhink it  war you can win. They are good fighters and they live in hilly terrains. You have to negotiate otherwise they will just become independent state.

Egypt and Sudan will back a civil war in Ethiopia.

Some of these nonsense can be avoided. it's like South Sudan - Nuers will fight to death - so why take the war to them. The Afgan taliban will fight to death. The vietnamese fought Americans to death. The russian fought the Germans to death.

Leave them alone. Give them autonomy and more federalism. The price of subduing them is not worth.

Tigrays will not submit to Abbiy. They will drag the war and make sure ethiopian gov cannot exist in there.

Sudan is with Abiy. So far it seems like Abiy has captured Tugray leadership and with either kill them or get consenssiobs from them. The amount of ethnic cleansing done by tplf under zenawi was too evil to go unpunished. Abit has been reluctant to punish his former party leaders but now he has no option but to crush them militarily and politically. Tigrays are jalenjins they are power drunk

[KenyanPlato]

Most ethiopian and somalis and eritreans hate the Tigrays - coz they feel superior to all of them - but I don't tjhink it  war you can win. They are good fighters and they live in hilly terrains. You have to negotiate otherwise they will just become independent state.

Egypt and Sudan will back a civil war in Ethiopia.

Some of these nonsense can be avoided. it's like South Sudan - Nuers will fight to death - so why take the war to them. The Afgan taliban will fight to death. The vietnamese fought Americans to death. The russian fought the Germans to death.

Leave them alone. Give them autonomy and more federalism. The price of subduing them is not worth.

Tigrays will not submit to Abbiy. They will drag the war and make sure ethiopian gov cannot exist in there.

Sudan is with Abiy. So far it seems like Abiy has captured Tugray leadership and with either kill them or get consenssiobs from them. The amount of ethnic cleansing done by tplf under zenawi was too evil to go unpunished. Abit has been reluctant to punish his former party leaders but now he has no option but to crush them militarily and politically. Tigrays are jalenjins they are power drunk

Ethiopians do not want war with Tigray nor does Abiy but TPLF leadership wants to muddy the process of formation of a federation that take power away from them and gives it back to the people

[RV Pundit]

Split hairs. TPLF=Tigrays. Tigrays are united behind TPLF. Tigrays have long history of resistance and the success at that - and that makes them feel invincible. They resisted muslims invasion many centuries ago and became an island of Christianity. They defeated Italians in Adawa and Ethiopia became only Africa country to avoid coloniliasm. Those two are huge ego boosters. They took over Ethiopia and run it for 30yrs. That is a lot of arrogance there. So you cannot just rush and hope to crush them.

As long as Tigrayans have that mentality - Ethiopian are in for a long battle.

Ethiopians do not want war with Tigray nor does Abiy but TPLF leadership wants to muddy the process of formation of a federation that take power away from them and gives it back to the people

[KenyanPlato]

Split hairs. TPLF=Tigrays. Tigrays are united behind TPLF. Tigrays have long history of resistance and the success at that - and that makes them feel invincible. They resisted muslims invasion many centuries ago and became an island of Christianity. They defeated Italians in Adawa and Ethiopia became only Africa country to avoid coloniliasm. Those two are huge ego boosters. They took over Ethiopia and run it for 30yrs. That is a lot of arrogance there. So you cannot just rush and hope to crush them.

As long as Tigrayans have that mentality - Ethiopian are in for a long battle.

Ethiopians do not want war with Tigray nor does Abiy but TPLF leadership wants to muddy the process of formation of a federation that take power away from them and gives it back to the people

I agree. Now it will be them versus Amhara and Oromos.

[KenyanPlato]

[RV Pundit]

Yes except the war is not being fought on oromo or amhara land - tigrayans have been hounded out of the rest of ethiopia - and so in their region - they will not allow oromo or amhara to colonize them.

I don't understand why Abbiy is going to Tigray after the tigrays have been hounded out of Ethiopia - Addis and etc - leadership and all that.

It almost stupid. It like hounding kalenjin in Nairobi and following them to Kalenjin land - leaving them with no option except fight to death.

It like closing all doors and windows to beat a cat   That tiny cat will beat the hell out of you.

I agree. Now it will be them versus Amhara and Oromos.

[KenyanPlato]

Yes except the war is not being fought on oromo or amhara land - tigrayans have been hounded out of the rest of ethiopia - and so in their region - they will not allow oromo or amhara to colonize them.

I don't understand why Abbiy is going to Tigray after the tigrays have been hounded out of Ethiopia - Addis and etc - leadership and all that.

It almost stupid. It like hounding kalenjin in Nairobi and following them to Kalenjin land - leaving them with no option except fight to death.

I agree. Now it will be them versus Amhara and Oromos.

Not true. Per govt reports tigray leadership has been distabilizing the other regions. They wanted to bait abiy to rushed conflict. Anway tplf cant fight everyone. Now their leadership has been captured by abiy and may be executed. Amhara have reclaimed their territory in the region. Abiy is usimg amharas to check tigrays

[RV Pundit]

No. It coz TPLF went ahead and held elections. Abiy is not sure about his releection and used covid to postphone elections.  Now TPLF leadership is not finite - new ones will emerge - as long as people of tigrays support the cause. They clearly have nothing to lose in project ethiopia. They have lost everything they had outside Tigrays. That is one cornered cat you don't want.

They have retreated to the mountains like Talibans did in Afgan- or vietnamese in the forests - so they can have vantage point - given they have no air power. They have guns,rockets, they have thousands if not a million fighters.

It pretty obvious what they will do - they will go to towns and military camps - attack Ethiopia forces - and run back to the mountains - and there in will be Ethiopian army waterloo. The body bags will mount until they negotiate. American went to Vietnam hoping for a quick job but it became very costly despite the power asymmetry as Vietnam chose the theatre - in deep forest gorges where American bombs and airforces were of little use. The taliban do the same...they hide in mountains..where they can shot down planes and armed forces.

Mau mau fighters did the same. Nandi warriors did the same. They took the war to the forests and deep gorges = where might british would line up in one file - and they would be shot like sitting ducks.The russian took the war to snow and waited for winter - and beat the superior Germans - who had conquered so much (almost entire western europe) - it was almost stupid to go to Russia - and the Russian followed them fleeing to Berlin.

Not true. Per govt reports tigray leadership has been distabilizing the other regions. They wanted to bait abiy to rushed conflict. Anway tplf cant fight everyone. Now their leadership has been captured by abiy and may be executed. Amhara have reclaimed their territory in the region. Abiy is usimg amharas to check tigrays

[Georgesoros]

I agree with you guys. So what if they dont like current govt? Leave them alone.