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When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« on: November 19, 2020, 10:32:26 PM »
Anyone with records how old kenyan tribes are?

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Re: When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 11:01:41 PM »
How old - that is difficult one - when they arrived in kenya is easy one.
1) Aboriginal - hunter/gatherer - don't recall coming or going - have always lived in Kenya
2) Proto-kalenjin/Proto-Somali/Proto-Oromo - arrived about 200 yrs before start of christianity in the north ( BC) - in Kenya. This was period before spread of chirstianity and 200yrs later Islam - they lived around Khartoum - cush empire of the yore. They would stay roaming kenya with aboroginals for another 800 yrs (8 centuries) before arrival of Bantus.
4) Bantu around the same time - 500 BC or before - started migrating from cameroon/nigeria border - eastward and southward.
6) I believed they arrived in kenya in about 500-800 AD. They probably started splitting into modern kenya bantu tribes around 10-11th century. The eastern bantus seem to have converged and split in Tana river (shungwaya) - I guess into kambas,kikuyus, merus and mijikenda. The western bantus came from Uganda. The eastern I believe from Tanzania moving along the coastline.
7)  Maasai- Turkana-Iteso also moved south from around Juba - around  8-12th century - with Maasai displacing people in dramatic manner. Maasai and group are believed to have been pushed down by Arabs slave traders who were islamizing sudan and killing people with horses. Maasai closest cousins are Lotuko/bari - exactly where Juba city is located. They are also very close to Turkana, Karamojong, Iteso and eastern south sudanase like Toposa.
8)  The next group to arrive - suprise - Arabs. Arabs started checking in around 10-12th century - and meet bantus along the coast - and lived together.
9)   Surprise - Luos are latest arrival - they arrived in 15th century from Uganda - following the river Nile - to it's source - and almost the same time with first European - the portuguese - vascodama. Luos moved from far north - Bargazehel (sp) - the border with North Sudan - where their cousins shilluk still live there - either due to internal civil war or also Arabs slave traders.The British then arrived in 17-18th century.

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Re: When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 11:46:41 PM »
Thanks..this is good. Answers my question well

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Re: When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2020, 06:34:25 AM »
Pundit point 6 is on point like bow and arrow equipment. GEMA Kamba developed they current tribal names and language after splitting and migrating to their current regions they are today. Previously we were I think all called Thagicu. You will find remnants of this name and variations in all those kabilas. Kikuyu is a very new tribe,Meru might actually be older as it's language exhibit more crude/archaic Bantu forms, Kikuyu might also have come with Merus and settled on Nyambene hills before migrating further south to their current homeland.

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Re: When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2020, 10:16:56 AM »
It's believed that Pokomo, Mijikenda, Taita and GEMA tribes were one - split in some mythical shungwaya - possibly located in Tana river. It appears they split as Oromo drove south the Tana river - the Ormas are still living in Tana river now. What I don't understand is how Bantus displaced the cushites from that area - oromos and somalis -I know the Maasai did send Oromos and Somalis north and south. The oromos went and displaced the Amharas further noth - and Somalis moved towards the Somali coastline - met Arabs and started becoming Muslims. Anyway what seem to have happened - Bantus avoided settling on the plains or Nyikas - and stayed in forested mountains - where they met the aboriginal hunters and gatherers - who mostly spoke Kalenjin or cushitic language. The so called Boni or Somali bantus I believe are actually aboroginals - dorobo/ogiek. Nearly all cushitic and Nilotic - and I bet Bantu words for stuff like honey - is borrowed from aboriginal -  also these aboriginal letter became specialist in circumscion, iron making and all kind of such jobs for bantus, nilotes and somalis.
Pundit point 6 is on point like bow and arrow equipment. GEMA Kamba developed they current tribal names and language after splitting and migrating to their current regions they are today. Previously we were I think all called Thagicu. You will find remnants of this name and variations in all those kabilas. Kikuyu is a very new tribe,Meru might actually be older as it's language exhibit more crude/archaic Bantu forms, Kikuyu might also have come with Merus and settled on Nyambene hills before migrating further south to their current homeland.

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Re: When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2020, 03:23:36 PM »
It's believed that Pokomo, Mijikenda, Taita and GEMA tribes were one - split in some mythical shungwaya - possibly located in Tana river. It appears they split as Oromo drove south the Tana river - the Ormas are still living in Tana river now. What I don't understand is how Bantus displaced the cushites from that area - oromos and somalis -I know the Maasai did send Oromos and Somalis north and south. The oromos went and displaced the Amharas further noth - and Somalis moved towards the Somali coastline - met Arabs and started becoming Muslims. Anyway what seem to have happened - Bantus avoided settling on the plains or Nyikas - and stayed in forested mountains - where they met the aboriginal hunters and gatherers - who mostly spoke Kalenjin or cushitic language. The so called Boni or Somali bantus I believe are actually aboroginals - dorobo/ogiek. Nearly all cushitic and Nilotic - and I bet Bantu words for stuff like honey - is borrowed from aboriginal -  also these aboriginal letter became specialist in circumscion, iron making and all kind of such jobs for bantus, nilotes and somalis.
Pundit point 6 is on point like bow and arrow equipment. GEMA Kamba developed they current tribal names and language after splitting and migrating to their current regions they are today. Previously we were I think all called Thagicu. You will find remnants of this name and variations in all those kabilas. Kikuyu is a very new tribe,Meru might actually be older as it's language exhibit more crude/archaic Bantu forms, Kikuyu might also have come with Merus and settled on Nyambene hills before migrating further south to their current homeland.
Well said. Let me answer you on some questions. Bantu displaced the cushitic people in that area as at that time is when bands of cushites had also recently migrated, so they were just establishing themselves, the Bantu arrived suddenly and in multitudes easily overwhelming them and they retreated back to the north of tana River, the cushites were also in the Mt. Kenya plains and Merus also displaced them finally there and Meru history states that because of constant attacks on them and being severely outnumbered the cushites " simply turned to birds and flew away"  Bantus took the fertile areas and left the cushites and kalenjin/Maa to the peripheral areas.
Meru history is the most elaborate history of any ethnic group in Kenya by far, no other kabilas comes close even Masaai. See below

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Re: When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2020, 03:27:18 PM »
Mount Kenya: Expulsion Of Earlier Occupants
The rate and direction of migration inevitably brought each of the major Meru subtribes into contact and conflict with earlier occupants of the Mount Kenya region.[11] The traditions emerging from this period are told almost wholly from the perspective of single clans, as they advanced upward into the forests or across the Tigania Plain. In every instance representatives of the Mukuruma, Michubu, and subsequent

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age-sets (1730s–1860s) seem to have met with an initially bewildering variety of enemies, with whom they fought and over whom they won.

Existing evidence suggests, however, that most of these migrating communities encountered representatives of three non-Bantu cultures, scattered in small numbers along the mountain's lower slope and northeast into the adjacent Tigania Plain. Analysis of Meru traditions that spring from this area suggests the following patterns of occupation: (a ) small groups of Eastern Cushitic—speaking (Galla) peoples within the woodland zone, along the mountain's arid base and into the Tigania Plain; (b ) small groups of Kalenjin-speaking (Ogiek) peoples, inhabiting the higher star-grass zone and lower fringes of the montaine ("black") forest; (c ) somewhat larger communities of Maa-speaking (Maasai, Ogiek) peoples within the Tigania Plain and adjacent grasslands, north of the mountain itself.[12]

Cushitic Speakers: Mukuguru, Ukara, Muoko

Contact with Cushitic-speaking peoples occurred before the pre-Meru migrants had even reached the mountain. Informants recall these early occupants by names that vary among the major subtribes (table 5). Traditions from several regions and other evidence suggest that these groups belonged to one or more sections of the Oromo-speaking peoples (Galla-Boran, Oromo, etc.). Their language forms part of the Eastern Cushitic language cluster, which extends across the Horn of Africa into the Middle East.[13] Thus, Muthambi informants often pronounce "Ukara" as "Ugalla," blending the letters r and l into the intervocalic *d and g and k into a single sound. Mwimbi elders describe Ukara cattle, seized in warfare by their ancestors, as identical to those now herded by the Galla and Boran. Imenti traditions state that Ikara (or Agira) of that area were also known as Muoko (or mwoko).

Additional oral evidence is provided by descriptions of their burial customs. Traditions in each region describe Ukara, Agira, and Muoko (in various spellings) alike as having "buried their dead in a sitting position, covering each grave with stones." Pre-Meru found the custom both fascinating and repulsive, because their own tradition required that the dead be left for hyenas. The alien burial details became part of their fireside chronicles, thereby passing into oral history. After the British conquest an early colonial administrator confirmed the tradition by uncovering several alleged Muoko graves, pointed out to him by Meru elders, which substantiated the practice of burial in a sitting position.[14]

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TABLE 5 NAMES GIVEN CUSHITIC SPEAKERS (PRECONTACT)

Zone

Meru Subtribe

    
Muthambi

Mwimbi

Igoji-Imenti

Tigania

Igembe

Lower forest



Mukoko or Mukuru (hunters)

Mukuguru or Mu-Uthiu (hunters)

Mukuguru or Aruguru



Plains

Ukara (herders)

Ukara (herders) and Mu-Oko

Ikara or Agira and Mwoko


Muoko or Ma-Uoko

Ukara or Agira and Muoko

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In the 1920s a Methodist missionary noted the similarity between the Muoko burials and those still practiced by the Tana River Galla.[15]

Physical descriptions also support this possibility. Informants describe each of the cattle-keeping peoples as "taller and more slender" than themselves. Their shields were small and narrow; their spears, short and tipped with the leaf-shaped blade once used by the GallaBoran. More conclusive, perhaps, is that no fewer than three of these groups are described as linked to groups of forest hunters, in the same manner as the early Tharaka and Cuka. In Mwimbi, for example, the forest hunters were called Mukoko or Mukuru and were joined with livestock-owning Ukara. In Imenti, they are recalled as Mukuguru or Mu-Uthiu and linked with cattle-keeping Ikara or Agira. Tiganians describe Mukuguru (or Aruguru) as allied to the Muoko herders of their region.

Existing evidence thus suggests that the names of every group within the forest zone are variants of the Mokogodo, a contemporary Ogiek people, whose original language was part of the Cushitic cluster. Because the plains-dwelling Oromo, Galla, and Boran also speak Cushitic dialects, both forest and plains dwellers may have been able to communicate. This overlap, in turn, may have led to the creation of an intermittent hunter-herder symbiosis, based on trade and intermarriage, that benefited both sides.

Early Galla history also supports the possibility of hunter-herder symbiosis. After 1500, Oromo-speaking peoples (Galla, Boran, Oromo, etc.) began to migrate south from the Ethiopian highlands. Following their herds, they had reached deep into Kenya by the 1700s. The Boran, in particular, had moved into grasslands on both sides of the Tana River, while other Cushitic-speaking herders may have even penetrated Tanganyika. Bands of these herders were therefore probably attracted first by sight of the mountain, then the grazing opportunities at its forest base. Thereafter, they may have wandered in small groups along the lowest forest fringes, in contact with the Mokogodo, until the pre-Meru appeared.

Tradition states that both Ukara and Mokogodo fled the slopes of Mount Kenya soon after the migrants arrived. Unable to defend themselves, they are said to have "turned into birds and flown away." On the Tigania Plain, however, the more numerous Muoko chose to fight. Tiganian narrations from this era describe how men of the Mukuruma age-set (mid-1730s), sent ahead of the migrants to examine the plain, returned to describe an entire "sea of grass filled with few people and many cows."[16]

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To fulfill the prophecy that had sent them westward since the migration's beginning, their prophets ordered them to seize the herds. As the narration is retold today, Tiganian warriors took the Muoko by surprise, seizing "four great herds" in an initial skirmish, then moved livestock, women, children, and the aged into a single, defensible camp. The Muoko, perhaps initially outnumbered, reacted by barring the intruders from both water and salt, systematically burying salt licks and springs to prevent their discovery and use. The Muoko also had stabbing spears, a weapon Tiganians could not forge. They responded with bow and arrow, ambushing Muoko herders in the long grass ("they crept like rats" sang the Muoko of their foes) and stampeding their herds.

Tradition speaks of "decades" of war. More likely, there was a time of dry-season raiding on both sides. At some point the Tiganians mastered the art of forging spears. Thereafter, the Muoko found themselves forced steadily into the and northeast away from the fertile grassland region. In so doing, they evidently moved within the raiding range of the Il Tikirri (recalled in Tigania as Ngiithi) and Mumunyot (recalled as Rimunyo), two Maa-speaking (Maasai-speaking) Ogiek peoples who also herded—and coveted—cattle.

Both groups began to raid the Muoko from the north at the same time that Tiganian pressure intensified in the south. Consequently, Muoko communities gradually disintegrated as their herds were seized and absorbed by former foes. Early traditions record skirmishes between Muoko and Tiganian, Igembe, or even North Imenti warriors for many years. The later narrations, however, deal primarily with the seizure of Muoko children for Meru homesteads or the adoption of captive Muoko warriors into Tiganian clans.

The extent of such incorporation can never be known, because Meru elders swore oaths never to reveal that it occurred. Nonetheless, Mahner's (1970) research in Tigania suggests that the Muoko were incorporated into that region's "black" clans, the 11 Tikirri into the "red," and the original Meru (who trace their roots to Mbwaa) still predominated among the "white."[17] The absorption of former foes may have therefore significantly modified Tigania institutions and, indirectly, those of adjacent Meru regions as well.


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Re: When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2020, 03:43:51 PM »
Njuri - Oromo/Galla - had two migrations - first one when they arrived with somalis and kalenjin - they occupied kenya and TZ - before Jesus was born - coming from Sudan -- Kush/Cush empire - Kalenjin were north most of nilotes - leaving in area after Luos - up north sudan - seem to have accompained the cushites breakway as they came down to Ethiopia - eventually to kenya and tanzania.



They they retreated north when Maasai came - pushed Amharas. This is around 10th century.

and then in 15th century they retreated back to Kenya - south.

It appears Meru remember their history to somewhere in Tana River -maybe around 500-600yrs ago -15th century.

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Re: When was kikuyu tribe formed? What about others?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2020, 03:59:31 PM »
If you check that map.

Kalenjin lived in the area near Khartoum -  it was a hot place is all they remember - and they move southward as Sahara desertification progressed.  Oromos-Somalis (cushites) lived near there in the cush empire - and up were Nubians - who extended to Egypt. They moved south through Ethiopia and finally to Kenya and Tanzania - and some to Uganda.

Luos lived and still live just below them - around Malaka - the tip of South Sudan - and they followed Nile to Uganda all the way to Lake Victoria - mostly as fishermen and semi-pastoralist. The area is still pretty green - so they moved I think due to conflicts with Shilluk and to avoid forced islamization and slavery from the north arabs.

Maasia and related - lived in area south - around Juba - and moved - also mostly due to internal strive and wars from the north muslims.

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2020, 04:48:35 PM »
Njuri - Oromo/Galla - had two migrations - first one when they arrived with somalis and kalenjin - they occupied kenya and TZ - before Jesus was born - coming from Sudan -- Kush/Cush empire - Kalenjin were north most of nilotes - leaving in area after Luos - up north sudan - seem to have accompained the cushites breakway as they came down to Ethiopia - eventually to kenya and tanzania.



They they retreated north when Maasai came - pushed Amharas. This is around 10th century.

and then in 15th century they retreated back to Kenya - south.

It appears Meru remember their history to somewhere in Tana River -maybe around 500-600yrs ago -15th century.
I agree Merus, Kikuyu, Akamba, and related kabilas north-east Bantu mini kenda are all very new kabilas all formed after departure from Tana River circa 1500-1600 AD, before them they were one huge tribe that had settled on the coastal areas/shungwaya however living in bands as opposed to properly centrally organized.
However due to Merus being the most North East of these Bantu their history is a bit unique due to the extent of interaction with cushites and nilotes. Like stated elsewhere Merus must carry genes of around 45%bantu 30% Nilotes, 10-15% cushites the rest from extinct kabilas around those areas.
No wonder at times Meru history could be confusing as also lineage to Meroe kingdom is claimed by some Merus, this could be from those clans where mixture with cushites was at the most especially in Tigania where they claim to have come from the north, this confuses some historians as also the Nile River around TheMeroe kingdom had islands and environment similar to one of tana river.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2020, 05:21:47 PM »
My understanding of Meroe - it was kingdom of semites of ethiopia/eritrea - tigrays/amharas/afar - and was to the est of Kush empire - in present day tigray land - border of sudan/egypt/eritrea/ethiopia. Kush empire was around present day Khartoum. Up north was the Nubian empire of Napatoea. And of course along the Nile in Egypt were many kingdoms...upper and lower egypt..mostly by Nubians..and eventually by Arabs.

Yes Merus and Bantus found cushites who'd be cut off - like ormas of Tana riover - and adopted or intermarried - genetically it's around 25% cushitic- and another 25% from nilotic - and so Meru-Kikuyu-Kambas are 50% bantus only.

Kalenjin and Maasai - are 50% cushitic  (some as high as 75%) - 25% bantus - and 25% nilotic. The Maasai bordered Oromos and Somalis - and took over their territory - and assimilated many cut off cushites - as the main plank moved north and east - they also learnt circumscion and their rites from Oromos. I think at some point kushites/cushites split into Oromo and Somalis.

Kalenjin don't border oromo or somali anymore - but their cushitic blood is older - it dates to proto-cushitic people (before orom/somali split). Oromo and Somalis came to kenya as one tribe - there was proto-eastern branch that seem to be related to sirikwas - and were good with irrigation farming.

Half kalenjin root/cognate words are cushitic - the other half is nilotic. Kalenjin are totally different from other nilotes - and therefore if you check the 'southern' nilote branch - it's only the kalenjin - this is because they came from Nile very early. There is no tribe in present day sudan that is close to Kalenjin. Also most aboriginal speak either Kalenjin or Cushitic - and now Maasai - because of the very old interraction.

If you go to Lake Eyasi in Tanzania - you'll find the old Kenya in a microsom - there are Kalenjin (barabaig/datoga), cushites (Iragw), Aboriginals (Hadzabe  or something), bantus and Maasai in the same small area.


I agree Merus, Kikuyu, Akamba, and related kabilas north-east Bantu mini kenda are all very new kabilas all formed after departure from Tana River circa 1500-1600 AD, before them they were one huge tribe that had settled on the coastal areas/shungwaya however living in bands as opposed to properly centrally organized.
However due to Merus being the most North East of these Bantu their history is a bit unique due to the extent of interaction with cushites and nilotes. Like stated elsewhere Merus must carry genes of around 45%bantu 30% Nilotes, 10-15% cushites the rest from extinct kabilas around those areas.
No wonder at times Meru history could be confusing as also lineage to Meroe kingdom is claimed by some Merus, this could be from those clans where mixture with cushites was at the most especially in Tigania where they claim to have come from the north, this confuses some historians as also the Nile River around TheMeroe kingdom had islands and environment similar to one of tana river.


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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2020, 02:53:03 AM »
Njuri - Turkana also talk about red people

Lamphear notes that Tukana traditions aver that a dreamer among them saw strange animals living with the people up in the hills. Turkana warriors were thus sent forward to capture one of these strange beasts,which the dreamer said looked 'like giraffes, but with humps on their backs'. The young men therefore went and captured one of these beasts - the first camels the Turkana had seen. The owners of the strange beasts appear to have struck the Turkana as strange as well. The Turkana saw them as 'red' people, partly because of their lighter skin and partly because they daubed their hair and bodies with reddish clay. They thus gave them the name 'Kor'. Lamphear states that Turkana traditions agree that the Kor were very numerous and lived in close pastoral association with two other communities known as 'Rantalle' and 'Poran', the names given to the Cushitic speaking Rendille and Boran communities.[31]

According to Von Höhnel (1894) "a few decades" prior, the Burkineji occupied districts on the west of the lake and that they were later driven eastwards into present day Samburu. He later states that "some fifty years ago the Turkana owned part of the land on the west now occupied by the Karamoyo, whilst the southern portion of their land belonged to the Burkineji. The Karamoyo drove the Turkana further east, and the Turkana, in their turn, pushed the Burkineji towards Samburuland".[32]

Collapse of Siger community
Lamphear states that Turkana narratives indicate that at the time of interaction with the 'Kor', the Turkana were in even closer proximity to a community referred to as Siger. This was the Karamoja name for the community and derived from an adornment that this community favored. The Siger like the Kor, were seen as a 'red' people, they are also remembered as a 'heterogeneous, multi-lingual confederation, including Southern and Eastern Nilotic-speakers, and those who spoke Cushitic dilects'. According to Turkana traditions the Siger once held most of the surrounding country 'until the Kor and their allies came up from the south and took it from them. In the process, the Kor and Siger had blended to some extent'.[31]

According to Lamphears account, Turkana traiditons directly relate the collapse of the 'Siger' to the Aoyate. He notes that;

...as Turkana cattle camps began making contact with these alien populations and their strange livestock, the area was beset by a terrible drought, the Aoyate, 'the long dry time'...The Siger community was decimated and began to collapse. Some abandoned their mountain and fled eastwards, but ran into even drier conditions: '[It] became dry and there was great hunger. The Siger went away to the east to Moru Eris, where most of them died of heat and starvation. So many died that there is still a place called Kabosan ["the rotten place"]'. Bands of Turkana fighting men forced the Siger northwards to the head of Lake Turkana...Still others were pushed back onto the Suk Hills to the south to be incorporated by the Southern-Nilotic speaking Pokot...Many were assimilated by the Turkana...and the victors took possession of the grazing and water resources of Moru Assiger

— As narrated to J. Lamphear, 1988[33]