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We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« on: October 27, 2020, 02:01:49 PM »
After Dr RUTO tored it apart - Uhuru threw away his official speech, the organizers subsequently forgot the fanfare, bonfires and cake cutting  and also forgot to launch BBI - where Raila and Uhuru would hold hands and 'launch' the report.

They all run out of the hall in great shame.

They were so embarrassed first by 1) Ruto facts and 2) By the ODM misbehavior to shout down Ruto when whole BBI was about a 'faking' uniting Kenyans while trying to twist the knife on Ruto's back.




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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2020, 03:30:56 PM »
I guess the blinkers have ballooned with time :) it was a big anti-climax after all the anti-BBI rallies and whining. Now Mobutu wants a "conversation" while there were 2 years of barazas his Tangatanga boycotted.

Of course Mobutu "issues" have been debunked all over.. I see Isaac Rutto and CoE Bob Mkangi on youtube dismissing him:
-PORK is less powerful as power shared with PM, MPs, official opposition
-Judiciary Ombudsman is subject to MP approval... much better than now where DCJ double as ombudsman. How can Mwilu discipline herself?
-Senate has more powers than before.. maybe it can be improved but this has little to do with BBI
-Youth affairs are well covered
-2002 clean elections were run by IPPG IEBC picked by political parties. 92, 97, 07, 13, 17 were not picked by parties and performed dismally and worse caused civil war
-PORK runner-up is automatically Opposition Leader with shadow cabinet (firstly), if winners have no numbers to pick PM they must compromise with opposition.. no minority rule ala Kibaki DP/NAK (secondly).. that much more inclusive than now
-BBI hybrid is Bomas Draft 2005 before Kilifi rubbish, then CoE Draft 2010 before Naivasha defilement... all 3 stages had alot of national consultations. This is not Uhuru-Raila document but actually what Kenyans have always wanted

The worst shame is that
-Mobutu and his groupies BOYCOTTED the BBI barazas. They only turned up to disrupt them
-Mobutu lead the soiling of CoE Draft 2010 to imperial PORK to scorn Raila. What a parochial fool
-Mobutu still rejected Kilifi Draft 2005 - imperial PORK - 2010 he literally wrote the doc then opposed - what exactly does he want?

You see Dr No or Dr Red-Card is guaranteed to oppose any reforms ab initio. He opposed BBI way before taskforce was formed.


Respect the president: DP Ruto heckled at Bomas for poking holes in BBI


https://citizentv.co.ke/news/respect-the-president-dp-ruto-heckled-at-bomas-for-poking-holes-in-bbi-349076/
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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2020, 03:40:28 PM »
The big questions Mobutu failed to answer are these:

1) Which "ordinary people" is he pretending to represent? Youth commission, 35%, WDF are the actual solutions not his theories. MCA or governor can buy wheelbarrows for hustlers if they so wish. Nanoks can stock grains. Uhuru and Raila literally represent 97% of folks. Most MPs, governors back BBI. He can only speak for himself or Nandi.

2) What stopped him from giving the "issues" he has now for 2 years of debate?

3) Why did he oppose katiba 2010 he claims is perfect now?

His only option now is No.. we been waiting to see the Tee shirts and Red card center. But I won't hold my breath after the concession speech  :D
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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2020, 05:34:05 PM »
Robina is talking like a die hardline  ODMer in 2007 . Kenyans right now are much more wiser . Ile kichapo utapata in 2022 , Im 100% sure you will end up in hospital or under meds .

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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2020, 07:37:00 PM »
She is already mentally insane :) :) - She imagine she can take on Ruto. See how he desperately pushes sijui Mobutu and these useless post in Nipate with readership of 10 people :) :) Mwenda !

Ruto spoke when 30m kenyans were paying attention and he finished BBI 2.0

We need BBI 3.0

Robina is talking like a die hardline  ODMer in 2007 . Kenyans right now are much more wiser . Ile kichapo utapata in 2022 , Im 100% sure you will end up in hospital or under meds .

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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2020, 08:05:09 PM »
She thinks by spinning it will change reality to her own dreams . Funny enough even before  BBI 2 came out a week or so early she was forewarned that its not what she expects . Instead of her trying to find out how people can predict these things she was holding a brave face . The reality is Uhuru has played Raila Big time and is still playing him . Robina is here praising Uhuru for playing Raila  , In my whole blogosphere life I have never seen Robinas type .
Either she is very naive or she is doing this for a show . Just to spice up the place .

Uhuru has studied Raila very well and I believe he has emulated Kibaki to even out Raila - For the BBI - Raila with his resist movement was planning to have a referendum by  2018 gauge his popularity create a movement ala 2007 Orange Democratic Movement and ride on it to presidency come  2022 , what did Uhuru do , brought Raila to his corner stole the change constitution moment and create a BBI which reads as if its a document created to remove challenges which has made Uhurus life difficult while serving as the president  . In so doing he created a document which is not popular with the masses , which contestation will  drag the referendum to  year  2022  when he has finished his term and done as much looting as possible with Raila keeping mum.

Now Railas position on Powerful Prime Minister , Regional Governments have been swept under the carpet and with No referendum any time soon you expect f Robina to be disappointed , but instead she is here praising Uhuru for finishing Raila .

Now going back to the situation on ground , in as much as Luo Nyanza hate Ruto but they are acknowledging that Yesterday was Rutos day and yes majority agree with Rutos sentiments but still say they are supporting Raila - Robina could have opted for this route . Accept BBI 2 is rubbish put still go ahead and support Raila for other reasons and not BBI - She is here praising Imperial Presidency , Judiciary capture and Police control by executive . Bure Kabisa as RV say mentally insane 

She is already mentally insane :) :) - She imagine she can take on Ruto. See how he desperately pushes sijui Mobutu and these useless post in Nipate with readership of 10 people :) :) Mwenda !

Ruto spoke when 30m kenyans were paying attention and he finished BBI 2.0

We need BBI 3.0

Robina is talking like a die hardline  ODMer in 2007 . Kenyans right now are much more wiser . Ile kichapo utapata in 2022 , Im 100% sure you will end up in hospital or under meds .

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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2020, 09:19:53 PM »
Kenya politics is easy to read. I have helped here all the way but she doesn't listen. Kenya politics - follow the power and the money - put yourself in each of these politician shoes - and think selfishly - of moves - that could bring in money and power. NEVER TRUST A KENYA POLITICIAN. There are no OBAMAs here with higher ideals.

Once you establish the motive - then it easy to read the moves. Why for instance would Uhuru woe Raila? What changed? When did Uhuru become selfless and a statemans?

We have had two theories regarding BBI - and the most plausible is BBI is like a dog chasing it's tail. Lots of relentless activities but ultimately nothing get's done.

If Uhuru had some epiphany - he didn't need BBI - he has tonnes of reports -from colonial period begging implementation. But obviously why do all the hard painful reforms when you can start another wild goose chase of kenyan problems. The problems that are VERY WELL KNOWN to everyone.

Let the dog (Raila) chase it's own tail, while he is out of gov, and kept busy.

Like Mudavadi nearly got it - Uhuru has been finance minister - he knows some of BBI proposal are laughable - funny - 35% for counties - since when??????????????? will that be possible - when debt payment alone takes 35% - salaries and pensions 35% - recurrent expenditure - and little if left for development.Kenya gov will not devolve 35% of revenues as long as counties have those functions. Education takes 5 billion dollars I think. KDF and security 2.5B dollars. What is left....even know gov is struggling with little counties have.

35% is only possible if Gov share the loans it borrows with counties..they borrow from China and share to counties..otherwise the revenues are not enough - stuck now at 2 billion. KUBAYA.

Some idiots think 15% came out of the blues :) while infact treasury made all the facts clearly in 2010...and now even 10B extra allocation normally results in big fight btw gov and parliament.

Without devolving more functions - forget more funds. There is NO money BBI will create. It shuffling of functions.And counties need to ask for functions and money will follow..those functions. If they take education...they will get 45 percent.

Kimani Ichungwa and Rev Musyimi can explain more having been in charge of the budget making just how difficult a task it is..to balance the budget.

She thinks by spinning it will change reality to her own dreams . Funny enough even before  BBI 2 came out a week or so early she was forewarned that its not what she expects . Instead of her trying to find out how people can predict these things she was holding a brave face . The reality is Uhuru has played Raila Big time and is still playing him . Robina is here praising Uhuru for playing Raila  , In my whole blogosphere life I have never seen Robinas type .
Either she is very naive or she is doing this for a show . Just to spice up the place .

Uhuru has studied Raila very well and I believe he has emulated Kibaki to even out Raila - For the BBI - Raila with his resist movement was planning to have a referendum by  2018 gauge his popularity create a movement ala 2007 Orange Democratic Movement and ride on it to presidency come  2022 , what did Uhuru do , brought Raila to his corner stole the change constitution moment and create a BBI which reads as if its a document created to remove challenges which has made Uhurus life difficult while serving as the president  . In so doing he created a document which is not popular with the masses , which contestation will  drag the referendum to  year  2022  when he has finished his term and done as much looting as possible with Raila keeping mum.

Now Railas position on Powerful Prime Minister , Regional Governments have been swept under the carpet and with No referendum any time soon you expect f Robina to be disappointed , but instead she is here praising Uhuru for finishing Raila .

Now going back to the situation on ground , in as much as Luo Nyanza hate Ruto but they are acknowledging that Yesterday was Rutos day and yes majority agree with Rutos sentiments but still say they are supporting Raila - Robina could have opted for this route . Accept BBI 2 is rubbish put still go ahead and support Raila for other reasons and not BBI - She is here praising Imperial Presidency , Judiciary capture and Police control by executive . Bure Kabisa as RV say mentally insane 

She is already mentally insane :) :) - She imagine she can take on Ruto. See how he desperately pushes sijui Mobutu and these useless post in Nipate with readership of 10 people :) :) Mwenda !

Ruto spoke when 30m kenyans were paying attention and he finished BBI 2.0

We need BBI 3.0

Robina is talking like a die hardline  ODMer in 2007 . Kenyans right now are much more wiser . Ile kichapo utapata in 2022 , Im 100% sure you will end up in hospital or under meds .
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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2020, 11:06:48 AM »
Devolution is a process not a law. Transition to 35% can take 5 or 10 years. And where does Mobutu raise the BBI issue? - noone has a problem with decentralization - because it reduces the clamor for SH and GoK which is source of grievances. Instead Kalenjin scion wants absolute power not inclusion.. complete with Kalenjin-Kikuyu ticket. What a joke.

There is nothing extra-ordinary about central government - most stable countries are parliamentary federalism with 60-40 revenue split. The short history of wanton looting by Jomo, Moi, Kibaki gangs. Now under Uhuru a mere VP has looted a warchest in few years - and he claims we don't need inclusion. Graft and waste need to be tamed everywhere - but federalism is way to go. At least we can demonstrably see only PORK has absolute impunity - governors after Kidero, Sonko, Obado, etc samples will be more careful than PORK or GoK.

You used to ramble about 50-50 majimboism - when the rain started beating Mobutu - what happened?

Kenya politics is easy to read. I have helped here all the way but she doesn't listen. Kenya politics - follow the power and the money - put yourself in each of these politician shoes - and think selfishly - of moves - that could bring in money and power. NEVER TRUST A KENYA POLITICIAN. There are no OBAMAs here with higher ideals.

Once you establish the motive - then it easy to read the moves. Why for instance would Uhuru woe Raila? What changed? When did Uhuru become selfless and a statemans?

We have had two theories regarding BBI - and the most plausible is BBI is like a dog chasing it's tail. Lots of relentless activities but ultimately nothing get's done.

If Uhuru had some epiphany - he didn't need BBI - he has tonnes of reports -from colonial period begging implementation. But obviously why do all the hard painful reforms when you can start another wild goose chase of kenyan problems. The problems that are VERY WELL KNOWN to everyone.

Let the dog (Raila) chase it's own tail, while he is out of gov, and kept busy.

Like Mudavadi nearly got it - Uhuru has been finance minister - he knows some of BBI proposal are laughable - funny - 35% for counties - since when??????????????? will that be possible - when debt payment alone takes 35% - salaries and pensions 35% - recurrent expenditure - and little if left for development.Kenya gov will not devolve 35% of revenues as long as counties have those functions. Education takes 5 billion dollars I think. KDF and security 2.5B dollars. What is left....even know gov is struggling with little counties have.

35% is only possible if Gov share the loans it borrows with counties..they borrow from China and share to counties..otherwise the revenues are not enough - stuck now at 2 billion. KUBAYA.

Some idiots think 15% came out of the blues :) while infact treasury made all the facts clearly in 2010...and now even 10B extra allocation normally results in big fight btw gov and parliament.

Without devolving more functions - forget more funds. There is NO money BBI will create. It shuffling of functions.And counties need to ask for functions and money will follow..those functions. If they take education...they will get 45 percent.

Kimani Ichungwa and Rev Musyimi can explain more having been in charge of the budget making just how difficult a task it is..to balance the budget.

She thinks by spinning it will change reality to her own dreams . Funny enough even before  BBI 2 came out a week or so early she was forewarned that its not what she expects . Instead of her trying to find out how people can predict these things she was holding a brave face . The reality is Uhuru has played Raila Big time and is still playing him . Robina is here praising Uhuru for playing Raila  , In my whole blogosphere life I have never seen Robinas type .
Either she is very naive or she is doing this for a show . Just to spice up the place .

Uhuru has studied Raila very well and I believe he has emulated Kibaki to even out Raila - For the BBI - Raila with his resist movement was planning to have a referendum by  2018 gauge his popularity create a movement ala 2007 Orange Democratic Movement and ride on it to presidency come  2022 , what did Uhuru do , brought Raila to his corner stole the change constitution moment and create a BBI which reads as if its a document created to remove challenges which has made Uhurus life difficult while serving as the president  . In so doing he created a document which is not popular with the masses , which contestation will  drag the referendum to  year  2022  when he has finished his term and done as much looting as possible with Raila keeping mum.

Now Railas position on Powerful Prime Minister , Regional Governments have been swept under the carpet and with No referendum any time soon you expect f Robina to be disappointed , but instead she is here praising Uhuru for finishing Raila .

Now going back to the situation on ground , in as much as Luo Nyanza hate Ruto but they are acknowledging that Yesterday was Rutos day and yes majority agree with Rutos sentiments but still say they are supporting Raila - Robina could have opted for this route . Accept BBI 2 is rubbish put still go ahead and support Raila for other reasons and not BBI - She is here praising Imperial Presidency , Judiciary capture and Police control by executive . Bure Kabisa as RV say mentally insane 

She is already mentally insane :) :) - She imagine she can take on Ruto. See how he desperately pushes sijui Mobutu and these useless post in Nipate with readership of 10 people :) :) Mwenda !

Ruto spoke when 30m kenyans were paying attention and he finished BBI 2.0

We need BBI 3.0

Robina is talking like a die hardline  ODMer in 2007 . Kenyans right now are much more wiser . Ile kichapo utapata in 2022 , Im 100% sure you will end up in hospital or under meds .
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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2020, 11:09:40 AM »
Look at this fool. I said functions need to follow. Otherwise BBI is a lie. Federalism means moving many functions so you get into 50-50. 35% will NOT happen in 100yrs unless 35% of gov functions are devolved.

Money follow functions. If national gov will continue to pay teachers and police - forget about 35%.

Budget is made by parliament - and it tough process.

Why would Uhuru clap for such nonsense if not to entertain BABA :). He knows it's foolishness of the highest order to expect 35% of revenues to be devolved while 85% of functions are national.

BBI therefore is politricks. Otherwise Treasury would be invited to give technical input. UHURU, RUTO and JUBILEE NEVER even bothered with it - just let
Raila and his Adam Oloo write their NONSENSE.

BBI is headed straight to dustbin - not even shelves like other well thought reports.

Devolution is a process not a law. Transition to 35% can take 5 or 10 years. And where does Mobutu raise the BBI issue? - noone has a problem with decentralization - because it reduces the clamor for SH and GoK which is source of grievances. Instead Kalenjin scion wants absolute power not inclusion.. complete with Kalenjin-Kikuyu ticket. What a joke.

There is nothing extra-ordinary about central government - most stable countries are parliamentary federalism with 60-40 revenue split. The short history of wanton looting by Jomo, Moi, Kibaki gangs. Now under Uhuru a mere VP has looted a warchest in few years - and he claims we don't need inclusion. Graft need to be tamed everywhere - but federalism is way to go.

You used to ramble about 50-50 majimboism - when the rain started beating Mobutu - what happened?

Kenya politics is easy to read. I have helped here all the way but she doesn't listen. Kenya politics - follow the power and the money - put yourself in each of these politician shoes - and think selfishly - of moves - that could bring in money and power. NEVER TRUST A KENYA POLITICIAN. There are no OBAMAs here with higher ideals.

Once you establish the motive - then it easy to read the moves. Why for instance would Uhuru woe Raila? What changed? When did Uhuru become selfless and a statemans?

We have had two theories regarding BBI - and the most plausible is BBI is like a dog chasing it's tail. Lots of relentless activities but ultimately nothing get's done.

If Uhuru had some epiphany - he didn't need BBI - he has tonnes of reports -from colonial period begging implementation. But obviously why do all the hard painful reforms when you can start another wild goose chase of kenyan problems. The problems that are VERY WELL KNOWN to everyone.

Let the dog (Raila) chase it's own tail, while he is out of gov, and kept busy.

Like Mudavadi nearly got it - Uhuru has been finance minister - he knows some of BBI proposal are laughable - funny - 35% for counties - since when??????????????? will that be possible - when debt payment alone takes 35% - salaries and pensions 35% - recurrent expenditure - and little if left for development.Kenya gov will not devolve 35% of revenues as long as counties have those functions. Education takes 5 billion dollars I think. KDF and security 2.5B dollars. What is left....even know gov is struggling with little counties have.

35% is only possible if Gov share the loans it borrows with counties..they borrow from China and share to counties..otherwise the revenues are not enough - stuck now at 2 billion. KUBAYA.

Some idiots think 15% came out of the blues :) while infact treasury made all the facts clearly in 2010...and now even 10B extra allocation normally results in big fight btw gov and parliament.

Without devolving more functions - forget more funds. There is NO money BBI will create. It shuffling of functions.And counties need to ask for functions and money will follow..those functions. If they take education...they will get 45 percent.

Kimani Ichungwa and Rev Musyimi can explain more having been in charge of the budget making just how difficult a task it is..to balance the budget.

She thinks by spinning it will change reality to her own dreams . Funny enough even before  BBI 2 came out a week or so early she was forewarned that its not what she expects . Instead of her trying to find out how people can predict these things she was holding a brave face . The reality is Uhuru has played Raila Big time and is still playing him . Robina is here praising Uhuru for playing Raila  , In my whole blogosphere life I have never seen Robinas type .
Either she is very naive or she is doing this for a show . Just to spice up the place .

Uhuru has studied Raila very well and I believe he has emulated Kibaki to even out Raila - For the BBI - Raila with his resist movement was planning to have a referendum by  2018 gauge his popularity create a movement ala 2007 Orange Democratic Movement and ride on it to presidency come  2022 , what did Uhuru do , brought Raila to his corner stole the change constitution moment and create a BBI which reads as if its a document created to remove challenges which has made Uhurus life difficult while serving as the president  . In so doing he created a document which is not popular with the masses , which contestation will  drag the referendum to  year  2022  when he has finished his term and done as much looting as possible with Raila keeping mum.

Now Railas position on Powerful Prime Minister , Regional Governments have been swept under the carpet and with No referendum any time soon you expect f Robina to be disappointed , but instead she is here praising Uhuru for finishing Raila .

Now going back to the situation on ground , in as much as Luo Nyanza hate Ruto but they are acknowledging that Yesterday was Rutos day and yes majority agree with Rutos sentiments but still say they are supporting Raila - Robina could have opted for this route . Accept BBI 2 is rubbish put still go ahead and support Raila for other reasons and not BBI - She is here praising Imperial Presidency , Judiciary capture and Police control by executive . Bure Kabisa as RV say mentally insane 

She is already mentally insane :) :) - She imagine she can take on Ruto. See how he desperately pushes sijui Mobutu and these useless post in Nipate with readership of 10 people :) :) Mwenda !

Ruto spoke when 30m kenyans were paying attention and he finished BBI 2.0

We need BBI 3.0

Robina is talking like a die hardline  ODMer in 2007 . Kenyans right now are much more wiser . Ile kichapo utapata in 2022 , Im 100% sure you will end up in hospital or under meds .

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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2020, 11:23:11 AM »
Yes. And BBI is clear GoK, senate, MPs, CoG will discuss transition. It may take 10 years but must start somewhere- 15% under Uhuruto is barely done after 10 years. Just like gender katiba principle is basic step that demand X% of Auditor General numbers not 5 year old audited numbers. It about 12% now - 15% of 2014 revenues  8)

With 35% in katiba CoG or Omtatas will run to court and GoK will table the debt levels and transition plans. There will be debates and fights but without legal demand it a pipedream to expect GoK to send you a check voluntarily. When Tangatanga say nothing stop GoK from devolving 35 or even 50% right now it just politics. Only legal checkmate will make GoK devolve more functions.

35% is just like 1/3 gender - lip service vs action - Mobutu empty promises vs Raila BBI :)

Look at this fool. I said functions need to follow. Otherwise BBI is a lie. Federalism means moving many functions so you get into 50-50. 35% will NOT happen in 100yrs unless 35% of gov functions are devolved.

Money follow functions. If national gov will continue to pay teachers and police - forget about 35%.

Budget is made by parliament - and it tough process.

Why would Uhuru clap for such nonsense if not to entertain BABA :). He knows it's foolishness of the highest order to expect 35% of revenues to be devolved while 85% of functions are national.

BBI therefore is politricks. Otherwise Treasury would be invited to give technical input. UHURU, RUTO and JUBILEE NEVER even bothered with it - just let Raila and his Adam Oloo write their NONSENSE.

Devolution is a process not a law. Transition to 35% can take 5 or 10 years. And where does Mobutu raise the BBI issue? - noone has a problem with decentralization - because it reduces the clamor for SH and GoK which is source of grievances. Instead Kalenjin scion wants absolute power not inclusion.. complete with Kalenjin-Kikuyu ticket. What a joke.

There is nothing extra-ordinary about central government - most stable countries are parliamentary federalism with 60-40 revenue split. The short history of wanton looting by Jomo, Moi, Kibaki gangs. Now under Uhuru a mere VP has looted a warchest in few years - and he claims we don't need inclusion. Graft need to be tamed everywhere - but federalism is way to go.

You used to ramble about 50-50 majimboism - when the rain started beating Mobutu - what happened?

Kenya politics is easy to read. I have helped here all the way but she doesn't listen. Kenya politics - follow the power and the money - put yourself in each of these politician shoes - and think selfishly - of moves - that could bring in money and power. NEVER TRUST A KENYA POLITICIAN. There are no OBAMAs here with higher ideals.

Once you establish the motive - then it easy to read the moves. Why for instance would Uhuru woe Raila? What changed? When did Uhuru become selfless and a statemans?

We have had two theories regarding BBI - and the most plausible is BBI is like a dog chasing it's tail. Lots of relentless activities but ultimately nothing get's done.

If Uhuru had some epiphany - he didn't need BBI - he has tonnes of reports -from colonial period begging implementation. But obviously why do all the hard painful reforms when you can start another wild goose chase of kenyan problems. The problems that are VERY WELL KNOWN to everyone.

Let the dog (Raila) chase it's own tail, while he is out of gov, and kept busy.

Like Mudavadi nearly got it - Uhuru has been finance minister - he knows some of BBI proposal are laughable - funny - 35% for counties - since when??????????????? will that be possible - when debt payment alone takes 35% - salaries and pensions 35% - recurrent expenditure - and little if left for development.Kenya gov will not devolve 35% of revenues as long as counties have those functions. Education takes 5 billion dollars I think. KDF and security 2.5B dollars. What is left....even know gov is struggling with little counties have.

35% is only possible if Gov share the loans it borrows with counties..they borrow from China and share to counties..otherwise the revenues are not enough - stuck now at 2 billion. KUBAYA.

Some idiots think 15% came out of the blues :) while infact treasury made all the facts clearly in 2010...and now even 10B extra allocation normally results in big fight btw gov and parliament.

Without devolving more functions - forget more funds. There is NO money BBI will create. It shuffling of functions.And counties need to ask for functions and money will follow..those functions. If they take education...they will get 45 percent.

Kimani Ichungwa and Rev Musyimi can explain more having been in charge of the budget making just how difficult a task it is..to balance the budget.

She thinks by spinning it will change reality to her own dreams . Funny enough even before  BBI 2 came out a week or so early she was forewarned that its not what she expects . Instead of her trying to find out how people can predict these things she was holding a brave face . The reality is Uhuru has played Raila Big time and is still playing him . Robina is here praising Uhuru for playing Raila  , In my whole blogosphere life I have never seen Robinas type .
Either she is very naive or she is doing this for a show . Just to spice up the place .

Uhuru has studied Raila very well and I believe he has emulated Kibaki to even out Raila - For the BBI - Raila with his resist movement was planning to have a referendum by  2018 gauge his popularity create a movement ala 2007 Orange Democratic Movement and ride on it to presidency come  2022 , what did Uhuru do , brought Raila to his corner stole the change constitution moment and create a BBI which reads as if its a document created to remove challenges which has made Uhurus life difficult while serving as the president  . In so doing he created a document which is not popular with the masses , which contestation will  drag the referendum to  year  2022  when he has finished his term and done as much looting as possible with Raila keeping mum.

Now Railas position on Powerful Prime Minister , Regional Governments have been swept under the carpet and with No referendum any time soon you expect f Robina to be disappointed , but instead she is here praising Uhuru for finishing Raila .

Now going back to the situation on ground , in as much as Luo Nyanza hate Ruto but they are acknowledging that Yesterday was Rutos day and yes majority agree with Rutos sentiments but still say they are supporting Raila - Robina could have opted for this route . Accept BBI 2 is rubbish put still go ahead and support Raila for other reasons and not BBI - She is here praising Imperial Presidency , Judiciary capture and Police control by executive . Bure Kabisa as RV say mentally insane 

She is already mentally insane :) :) - She imagine she can take on Ruto. See how he desperately pushes sijui Mobutu and these useless post in Nipate with readership of 10 people :) :) Mwenda !

Ruto spoke when 30m kenyans were paying attention and he finished BBI 2.0

We need BBI 3.0

Robina is talking like a die hardline  ODMer in 2007 . Kenyans right now are much more wiser . Ile kichapo utapata in 2022 , Im 100% sure you will end up in hospital or under meds .
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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2020, 11:27:48 AM »
Politically BBI crew will claim 35% is immediate after BBI referendum  :) - but reality is 5 or 10 years trickledown. Parliament showdowns, court battles and advisories. But without BBI it would simply not happen in 100 years - both camps lie through their teeth.

Women 1/3 is edging closer to reality - AFTER 12 YEARS- despite being in katiba. Devolution will equally take years after BBI baby step.
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Re: We need BBI 3.0 - BBI 2.0 was not launched
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2020, 08:35:26 PM »
BBI: Uhuru turning tables on Ruto
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