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1M1S - they are least beneficiary - and you'd think they are the most agrieved.

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Re: When will kikuyu politicians realize their population is going down.
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2020, 06:56:23 PM »
It makes complete sense if narrative is flipped to one ghost man- one shilling initiative

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Re: When will kikuyu politicians realize their population is going down.
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2020, 07:20:59 PM »
It makes complete sense if narrative is flipped to one ghost man- one shilling initiative
lol

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Re: When will kikuyu politicians realize their population is going down.
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2020, 07:36:09 PM »
RV, as you can see its basically a formulae - Sharing Kshs 370 B using allocation factor  on Kshs 158.25 B  and remaining funds using the below parameters

Population weighs 18%
Health 17 %
Agriculture 10 %
Urban Services  5%
Roads  8%
Poverty  14%
Basic Share 20 %
Land Area   8 %

Now the formulae is not synonymous to population in retrospect if you look at it represents 10% of the total package in the formulae . Hence the reason Mandera with a total population of 867,457 is getting  10,222,95 and Kiambu with a population of 2,417,735 is getting  9,431,70




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Below is a list of census 2019 population for all counties released by KNBS:

Mombasa County Population: 1208333
Kwale County: 866820
Kilifi County: 1453787
Tana River County: 315943
Lamu County: 143920
Taita Taveta County: 340671
Garissa County: 841353
Wajir County: 781263
Mandera County: 867457
Marsabit County: 459785
Isiolo County: 268002
Meru County: 1545714
Tharaka Nithi: 393177
Embu County: 608599
Kitui: 1136187
Machakos County: 1421932
Makueni County: 987:653
Nyandarua County: 6382894
Nyeri County: 759164
Kirinyaga County: 610411
Muranga County: 1056640
Kiambu County Population: 2417735
Turkana County: 926976
West Pokot County: 621231
Samburu County: 310327
Transa Nzoia County: 990341
Uasin Gishu County: 1163186
Elgeyo Marakwet: 454480
Nandi County: 885711
Baringo County: 666763
Laikipia County: 518560
Nakuru County: 2162202
Narok County: 1157873
Kajiado County: 1117840
Kericho County: 901777
Bomet County: 875689
Kakamega County: 1867579
Vihiga County: 590013
Bungoma County: 1670570
Busia County: 893183
Siaya County: 993183
Kisumu County: 1155574
Homa Bay County: 1131950
Migori County: 1116436
Kisii County: 1266860
Nyamira County: 605576
Nairobi County Population: 4397073

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Re: When will kikuyu politicians realize their population is going down.
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2020, 09:21:31 PM »
Just imagine Mandera even after their numbers were corrected are nearly 1M people - and Kiambu - which is taking a lot of Nairobeans - is mere 2m people.
Kikuyus need to adjust to a new reality where they will not be important tribe - just another tribe.

Give these somalis two more decades -

Maasai were once the most popolous tribe in kenya - but now they a pale shadow of themselves.

RV, as you can see its basically a formulae - Sharing Kshs 370 B using allocation factor  on Kshs 158.25 B  and remaining funds using the below parameters

Population weighs 18%
Health 17 %
Agriculture 10 %
Urban Services  5%
Roads  8%
Poverty  14%
Basic Share 20 %
Land Area   8 %

Now the formulae is not synonymous to population in retrospect if you look at it represents 10% of the total package in the formulae . Hence the reason Mandera with a total population of 867,457 is getting  10,222,95 and Kiambu with a population of 2,417,735 is getting  9,431,70




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Below is a list of census 2019 population for all counties released by KNBS:

Mombasa County Population: 1208333
Kwale County: 866820
Kilifi County: 1453787
Tana River County: 315943
Lamu County: 143920
Taita Taveta County: 340671
Garissa County: 841353
Wajir County: 781263
Mandera County: 867457
Marsabit County: 459785
Isiolo County: 268002
Meru County: 1545714
Tharaka Nithi: 393177
Embu County: 608599
Kitui: 1136187
Machakos County: 1421932
Makueni County: 987:653
Nyandarua County: 6382894
Nyeri County: 759164
Kirinyaga County: 610411
Muranga County: 1056640
Kiambu County Population: 2417735
Turkana County: 926976
West Pokot County: 621231
Samburu County: 310327
Transa Nzoia County: 990341
Uasin Gishu County: 1163186
Elgeyo Marakwet: 454480
Nandi County: 885711
Baringo County: 666763
Laikipia County: 518560
Nakuru County: 2162202
Narok County: 1157873
Kajiado County: 1117840
Kericho County: 901777
Bomet County: 875689
Kakamega County: 1867579
Vihiga County: 590013
Bungoma County: 1670570
Busia County: 893183
Siaya County: 993183
Kisumu County: 1155574
Homa Bay County: 1131950
Migori County: 1116436
Kisii County: 1266860
Nyamira County: 605576
Nairobi County Population: 4397073

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Re: When will kikuyu politicians realize their population is going down.
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2020, 09:42:52 PM »
Just imagine Mandera even after their numbers were corrected are nearly 1M people - and Kiambu - which is taking a lot of Nairobeans - is mere 2m people.
Kikuyus need to adjust to a new reality where they will not be important tribe - just another tribe.

Give these somalis two more decades -

Maasai were once the most popolous tribe in kenya - but now they a pale shadow of themselves.


RV, one of the reason I said its misplaced for Mt Kenya and Rift Valley to go all out on 1M 1S  debate is  , even if they were to win the amount they would have gained is insignificant vis a vis what they would gain  by retaining the Presidency (Executive) and Legislature  .Let their partner North Eastern Gain in  devolution . As this a mere 15% Max of the audited national revenue .
Now imagine if Railas BBI Referendum goes through which wants to increase   the disbursed national revenue to 35%/40% . This should be the cornerstone of Mt Kenya/RV/Western opposing the referendum  and opposing they will .
They need to look at the bigger picture , the Bomas draft which Raila is advocating is just a scheme to revenge against communities which have been in power and  or are politically superior in capturing power .




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Re: When will kikuyu politicians realize their population is going down.
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2020, 09:50:25 PM »
Counties should be allowed to levy some of the taxes. For example - why should a county remit employee PAYES to KRA. It doesn't make sense. This is money should keep...Counties need to form their own County Revenue Authority - and be allowed to levy some taxes - PAYE of their own employees, VAT and taxes of all contractors working with county gov. That should give them 30% more of the money they receive - and proportionally.

Maybe in 10yrs - counties will have built more capacity - to go fully federal.

Otherwise this is slippery slope..

Every county should eventually get most of resources from their locality.

And national gov should self-fund from national functions - through ports - for examples - immigration - self-fund from charging for passports -

RV, one of the reason I said its misplaced for Mt Kenya and Rift Valley to go all out on 1M 1S  debate is  , even if they were to win the amount they would have gained is insignificant vis a vis what they would gain  by retaining the Presidency (Executive) and Legislature  .Let their partner North Eastern Gain in  devolution . As this a mere 15% Max of the audited national revenue .
Now imagine if Railas BBI Referendum goes through which wants to increase   the disbursed national revenue to 35%/40% . This should be the cornerstone of Mt Kenya/RV/Western opposing the referendum  and opposing they will .
They need to look at the bigger picture , the Bomas draft which Raila is advocating is just a scheme to revenge against communities which have been in power and  or are politically superior in capturing power .





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Re: When will kikuyu politicians realize their population is going down.
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2020, 11:44:01 AM »
Counties should be allowed to levy some of the taxes. For example - why should a county remit employee PAYES to KRA. It doesn't make sense. This is money should keep...Counties need to form their own County Revenue Authority - and be allowed to levy some taxes - PAYE of their own employees, VAT and taxes of all contractors working with county gov. That should give them 30% more of the money they receive - and proportionally.

Maybe in 10yrs - counties will have built more capacity - to go fully federal.

Otherwise this is slippery slope..

Every county should eventually get most of resources from their locality.

And national gov should self-fund from national functions - through ports - for examples - immigration - self-fund from charging for passports -

RV, one of the reason I said its misplaced for Mt Kenya and Rift Valley to go all out on 1M 1S  debate is  , even if they were to win the amount they would have gained is insignificant vis a vis what they would gain  by retaining the Presidency (Executive) and Legislature  .Let their partner North Eastern Gain in  devolution . As this a mere 15% Max of the audited national revenue .
Now imagine if Railas BBI Referendum goes through which wants to increase   the disbursed national revenue to 35%/40% . This should be the cornerstone of Mt Kenya/RV/Western opposing the referendum  and opposing they will .
They need to look at the bigger picture , the Bomas draft which Raila is advocating is just a scheme to revenge against communities which have been in power and  or are politically superior in capturing power .




True counties need to identify their strength and areas where they can create revenue and this should form their pool for the recuring expenditure. 
Railas propasal for 40% of national revenue to trickle down to counties is shortsighted, where will government get money to pay state officials  boost defence , seeks and pay loans  etc
If we go Railas way in 5 years time we would make rich county government officials and then be attacked by hostile neighbours and guess who will be negotiating with the hostile neighbours the same county government officials

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Re: When will kikuyu politicians realize their population is going down.
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2020, 12:05:31 PM »
Those % are really peddled by stupid people. Parliament makes the budget. They consider all gov proposals and functions. You cannot get 40% while national gov is executing 80% of all the functions.

You can only get 40% if you take education - and pay teachers. Education alone take 30%.

So we need to look into functions - and the money - will follow the functions.

Counties should be asking for more responsibilities or functions - so they can get more money

For example Counties can take part of education budget - infrastructure - from CDF (illegal thing).

Counties have 17 functions - while National Gov has 47 I reckon functions.

To get to 40 - counties will have to take more functions - including teachers, maybe paying for local police (APS), take over KERRA and KURA.

True counties need to identify their strength and areas where they can create revenue and this should form their pool for the recuring expenditure. 
Railas propasal for 40% of national revenue to trickle down to counties is shortsighted, where will government get money to pay state officials  boost defence , seeks and pay loans  etc
If we go Railas way in 5 years time we would make rich county government officials and then be attacked by hostile neighbours and guess who will be negotiating with the hostile neighbours the same county government officials