What does museveni think of kenya?

[KenyanPlato]

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Has he ever aired his views on kenya openly? I just realized he has been in kenya thru out the chnages that have happened. During and after pev he seemed to have been around watching and saying little. Museveni has competed with kenya very well. He was able to turn around a civil torn country.

I hope he writes or someone writes his memoirs and he gives an assessment of what he thinks of bwanyenye wa kenya.

Steve is a wonderful dictator

I remember he using a metaphor to tell kikuyus after pev that they are so greedy and stupid they will kill themselves. He told a story of clan in ug that was so selfish that they would not work with others.one time they decided to build a hut and since there were no other builders skilled in aspects the built the from inside the hut and they forgot to put windows or a door. They nearly suffocated in the hut but they were rescued by a neighboring clan

[RV Pundit]

Museveni is very intelligent. His accent does get in the way but I would also love to read his memoir. Museveni, Kagame and late Meles Zenawi are the kind of leaders we need. Brilliant, hardworking and effective leaders. Ruto would be right there.

But Museveni has probably overstayed his welcome.

Magufuli is hardworker but I doubt his intelligence.

[KenyanPlato]

Mangufuli is intelligent. He has disorganized Chadema and consolidated power like nonsense. You can how effective he was to move against covid restrictions. The west fears him. He may have eliminated an ebola doctor that crossed the border and drove over 1200 kms stopping all over. I think the whacked everyone that the doctor had contactxwith andthen
Refused to cooperate with Who. They even sent usa high level diplomats but tz refused,to cooperate. Ccm is a juggernaut and he has used it well. Tz needed a hot head like gim

He had serious heart disease problem recently but he seems to have overcome them..

Museveni is okay he will die in office. He has no plans to leave and no one has the guts or ability to take him,out

[RV Pundit]

Let see how far he gets dissing the west. The smart leaders realizes they need to co-opt those guys. Without foreign investment - Tanzania will remain a backwater growing maize and beans.

What smart leaders like Museveni, Kagame and Meles did was to invite foreign investment - and lay a red carpet for them. Museveni went as far as bringing back the indians. Bring in FDI and foreign AID, Loans - anything you can lay your hands - that capital investment - that your measily tax base  on the back of agrarian economy can never raise.

That only way to fight poverty. Nationalism like Nyerere type will lead to tears.

Now look at TZ - Barrick is basically dead and soon their gold industry.  The oil pipeline dead. Their natural gas deal dead. The reason Magufuli is trying to drive a hard bargain (short termism) instead of working for long term - these investors are being invited to put down billion of dollars - and they will not do that if the president is mercurial.

And he has basically done the same to Chinese.

Conclusion - Magufuli is a fool - who think he can convert maize and beans - into modern economy.

Mangufuli is intelligent. He has disorganized Chadema and consolidated power like nonsense. You can how effective he was to move against covid restrictions. The west fears him. He may have eliminated an ebola doctor that crossed the border and drove over 1200 kms stopping all over. I think the whacked everyone that the doctor had contactxwith andthen
Refused to cooperate with Who. They even sent usa high level diplomats but tz refused,to cooperate. Ccm is a juggernaut and he has used it well. Tz needed a hot head like gim

He had serious heart disease problem recently but he seems to have overcome them..

Museveni is okay he will die in office. He has no plans to leave and no one has the guts or ability to take him,out

[Nefertiti]

Yes TZ is headed south - top economies in Africa and globally are very open. Mauritius, Botswana, Namibia, Rwanda punch above their weight due to FDI both capital and manpower. Magufuli without TZ established institutional democracy would easily go Mugabe route.

Now I don't get the concept of M7 greatness. Rwanda in few years has MIT, Canergy, Berkshire, Microsoft and shebang investing big. Ethiopia rise is constantly in the media despite civil conflicts, Oromo rebels and losing Eritrea coastline. Uganda is stuck at 800$ per capita. Lower than TZ. Kenya is 2k$ per capita.

Am I wrong Pundit?

[RV Kirgit]

Magufuli has never opposed western FDI as robina, economist media propaganda, and pundit seem to imply.

What magufuli has been pushing is FDI that's win-win for investor and TZ.  The mining companies that used to smuggle mineral are now under government thumb and were forced to open local bank account. Magufuli even stopped brookside exploitation when it bought milk factory and converted to warehouse like Eldoret molo milk. Also cancelled some Chinese port construction contract saying it was signed by mad men 😹

The rumoured heart attack was actually an intended leakage to test the security protocol...At that moment, new security intelligence chief had been installed and was merely doing a drill.

[gout]

Tanzanian nationalism is deeply rooted. With their swahili as a national language and government communication they will remain insular for quite some time no matter the leader. Mzungu has learnt how to work with all kinds of mwafrika misleaders, insular, corrupt, inept and what not as long as imperialistic interests are covered. Where else can they get such huge gemstones easily other than TZ, they will grovel till Magufuli bows out and probably they will have their stooge like Kikwete.

Food is big business. Kenyan farmers are crying everyday due to competition from TZ, Ethiopia and Uganda for a reason.

Let see how far he gets dissing the west. The smart leaders realizes they need to co-opt those guys. Without foreign investment - Tanzania will remain a backwater growing maize and beans.

What smart leaders like Museveni, Kagame and Meles did was to invite foreign investment - and lay a red carpet for them. Museveni went as far as bringing back the indians. Bring in FDI and foreign AID, Loans - anything you can lay your hands - that capital investment - that your measily tax base  on the back of agrarian economy can never raise.

That only way to fight poverty. Nationalism like Nyerere type will lead to tears.

Now look at TZ - Barrick is basically dead and soon their gold industry.  The oil pipeline dead. Their natural gas deal dead. The reason Magufuli is trying to drive a hard bargain (short termism) instead of working for long term - these investors are being invited to put down billion of dollars - and they will not do that if the president is mercurial.

And he has basically done the same to Chinese.

Conclusion - Magufuli is a fool - who think he can convert maize and beans - into modern economy.

Mangufuli is intelligent. He has disorganized Chadema and consolidated power like nonsense. You can how effective he was to move against covid restrictions. The west fears him. He may have eliminated an ebola doctor that crossed the border and drove over 1200 kms stopping all over. I think the whacked everyone that the doctor had contactxwith andthen
Refused to cooperate with Who. They even sent usa high level diplomats but tz refused,to cooperate. Ccm is a juggernaut and he has used it well. Tz needed a hot head like gim

He had serious heart disease problem recently but he seems to have overcome them..

Museveni is okay he will die in office. He has no plans to leave and no one has the guts or ability to take him,out

[RV Pundit]

Uganda problem is population growth on steroid. In 10yrs - Uganda will probably overtake Kenya population wise. Museveni doesn't want to reign on demographics - and that is his main undoing. M7 has gigantic ambition - so if Uganda breed like rats - he doesn't care - as long as it project Uganda power.

Uganda are doing what we  were doing in 1970s and 1980s - growing economically and yet per capita (poverty) was increasing.

Uganda population growth rate is nearly 4% while kenya is down to about 2%. So any economic growth happening in Uganda is minus 4% - in terms of per capita.

Meanwhile Kenya is probably 5yrs from demographic dividend - and this is where we really need to think MANUFACTURING and Construction (bridge the infrastructure deficit through road, rail, housing and other mass employers) - otherwise all those extra adult hands will be idle.

Yes TZ is headed south - top economies in Africa and globally are very open. Mauritius, Botswana, Namibia, Rwanda punch above their weight due to FDI both capital and manpower. Magufuli without TZ established institutional democracy would easily go Mugabe route.

Now I don't get the concept of M7 greatness. Rwanda in few years has MIT, Canergy, Berkshire, Microsoft and shebang investing big. Ethiopia rise is constantly in the media despite civil conflicts, Oromo rebels and losing Eritrea coastline. Uganda is stuck at 800$ per capita. Lower than TZ. Kenya is 2k$ per capita.

Am I wrong Pundit?

[RV Pundit]

Investors are finnicky. It not like Tanzania has some rare stuff they cannot find anywhere. You need to treat investors with kids glove. You behave like a nationalist of the communist era - and they run away.China learnt the hard way and when they allowed investors - they transformed.

Magufuli is just too unpredictable for anybody liking.

This is someone who has scorned WHO - only North Korea has done that.

Too mercurial for anybody liking.

Magufuli has never opposed western FDI as robina, economist media propaganda, and pundit seem to imply.

What magufuli has been pushing is FDI that's win-win for investor and TZ.  The mining companies that used to smuggle mineral are now under government thumb and were forced to open local bank account. Magufuli even stopped brookside exploitation when it bought milk factory and converted to warehouse like Eldoret molo milk. Also cancelled some Chinese port construction contract saying it was signed by mad men 😹

The rumoured heart attack was actually an intended leakage to test the security protocol...At that moment, new security intelligence chief had been installed and was merely doing a drill.

[RV Pundit]

Only if you have some rare stuff like cobalt or uranium - otherwise look at natural gas - they are sinking serious money into Mozambique - and ignoring TZ.

Kenya is moving into high value chain food crop - while Tanzania and rest are busy with maize, beans and such nonsense.

If you go to Europe kenya pretty much established itself - middle east too. Now we just need to enter China and US - although the Latin America will post serious competition for us..in horticulture and related.

Tanzanian nationalism is deeply rooted. With their swahili as a national language and government communication they will remain insular for quite some time no matter the leader. Mzungu has learnt how to work with all kinds of mwafrika misleaders, insular, corrupt, inept and what not as long as imperialistic interests are covered. Where else can they get such huge gemstones easily other than TZ, they will grovel till Magufuli bows out and probably they will have their stooge like Kikwete.

Food is big business. Kenyan farmers are crying everyday due to competition from TZ, Ethiopia and Uganda for a reason.

[Nefertiti]

Uganda is only known for Kabaka and Lato milk - at least Kenya is "regional hub." M7 utility expired 20 years ago - stability after Amin-Obote-Kony madness - should have gone with Mobutu, Kaunda and Moi. Ergo M7 opinion on Kenya would not be worth much.

Demographic dividend should ideally cause a jump in per capita. High school transition and TIVET are covered. Am told roads are rolling out all over - despite your noises about Jubilee 2.0 failure. Old rail renovation is better investment than more China debt. Power capacity is going well in Turkwell. Ease-of business is tick. What infra do you have in mind that would spur faster growth? Nairobi Metropolican guy - Brigadier Badi? - is trying to fix sewer and garbage after Sonko catastrophe.

Windfall inakuja - unless Kalenjin start Shifta war. The pouring in of VC may be affected by covid - but lots of indicators are good for mzungu to pour all the billions in Kenya startups.

Uganda problem is population growth on steroid. In 10yrs - Uganda will probably overtake Kenya population wise. Museveni doesn't want to reign on demographics - and that is his main undoing. M7 has gigantic ambition - so if Uganda breed like rats - he doesn't care - as long as it project Uganda power.

Uganda are doing what we  were doing in 1970s and 1980s - growing economically and yet per capita (poverty) was increasing.

Uganda population growth rate is nearly 4% while kenya is down to about 2%. So any economic growth happening in Uganda is minus 4% - in terms of per capita.

Meanwhile Kenya is probably 5yrs from demographic dividend - and this is where we really need to think MANUFACTURING and Construction (bridge the infrastructure deficit through road, rail, housing and other mass employers) - otherwise all those extra adult hands will be idle.

Yes TZ is headed south - top economies in Africa and globally are very open. Mauritius, Botswana, Namibia, Rwanda punch above their weight due to FDI both capital and manpower. Magufuli without TZ established institutional democracy would easily go Mugabe route.

Now I don't get the concept of M7 greatness. Rwanda in few years has MIT, Canergy, Berkshire, Microsoft and shebang investing big. Ethiopia rise is constantly in the media despite civil conflicts, Oromo rebels and losing Eritrea coastline. Uganda is stuck at 800$ per capita. Lower than TZ. Kenya is 2k$ per capita.

Am I wrong Pundit?

[RV Pundit]

Uganda is arable and has lots of water - everywhere is huge swamp - so they are doing badly in agri - but they can sustain huge population. They are like Asian countries - with ecosystem to sustain a billion of people.

They are doing well in coffee (leading in Africa in arabica or robusta) - and their milk industry is probably now 3rd after Kenya and south africa.

Museveni has done well - the economy has grown generally at 6-7% for most of his time in power (per capita - pop growth rate make nonsense of it) - he is not dictator at personal freedom level - Ugandas are basically free to do anything - Kenya has a pervasive colonial era structures (prov admin) that is alien in Uganda.

So if you're not ambitious enough to want to be president - Uganda has more personal freedom than Kenya - in my view. I live there. Uganda have this LC system - where villages and name them are run by comittees or elected person - LC1, Lc2, and town councils - they also have kings and queens - and they don't have kenya chiefs and their lackeys harrasing people. Or Matiangi-Kibicho.

The problem though - the military are powerful - and so are NRM (kanu youth wingers). You stay away from Museveni and his war veterans - and you're good to do anything.

Now back to Kenya - we are always talking about Kenya - no need to discuss it here.

Uganda is only known for Kabaka and Lato milk - at least Kenya is "regional hub." M7 utility expired 20 years ago - stability after Amin-Obote-Kony madness - should have gone with Mobutu, Kaunda and Moi. Ergo M7 opinion on Kenya would not be worth much.

Demographic dividend should ideally cause a jump in per capita. High school transition and TIVET are covered. Am told roads are rolling out all over - despite your noises about Jubilee 2.0 failure. Old rail renovation is better investment than more China debt. Power capacity is going well in Turkwell. Ease-of business is tick. What infra do you have in mind that would spur faster growth? Nairobi Metropolican guy - Brigadier Badi? - is trying to fix sewer and garbage after Sonko catastrophe.

Windfall inakuja - unless Kalenjin start Shifta war. The pouring in of VC may be affected by covid - but lots of indicators are good for mzungu to pour all the billions in Kenya startups.

[RV Kirgit]

Uganda is only known for Kabaka and Lato milk - at least Kenya is "regional hub." M7 utility expired 20 years ago - stability after Amin-Obote-Kony madness - should have gone with Mobutu, Kaunda and Moi. Ergo M7 opinion on Kenya would not be worth much.

Demographic dividend should ideally cause a jump in per capita. High school transition and TIVET are covered. Am told roads are rolling out all over - despite your noises about Jubilee 2.0 failure. Old rail renovation is better investment than more China debt. Power capacity is going well in Turkwell. Ease-of business is tick. What infra do you have in mind that would spur faster growth? Nairobi Metropolican guy - Brigadier Badi? - is trying to fix sewer and garbage after Sonko catastrophe.

Windfall inakuja - unless Kalenjin start Shifta war. The pouring in of VC may be affected by covid - but lots of indicators are good for mzungu to pour all the billions in Kenya startups.

Uganda problem is population growth on steroid. In 10yrs - Uganda will probably overtake Kenya population wise. Museveni doesn't want to reign on demographics - and that is his main undoing. M7 has gigantic ambition - so if Uganda breed like rats - he doesn't care - as long as it project Uganda power.

Uganda are doing what we  were doing in 1970s and 1980s - growing economically and yet per capita (poverty) was increasing.

Uganda population growth rate is nearly 4% while kenya is down to about 2%. So any economic growth happening in Uganda is minus 4% - in terms of per capita.

Meanwhile Kenya is probably 5yrs from demographic dividend - and this is where we really need to think MANUFACTURING and Construction (bridge the infrastructure deficit through road, rail, housing and other mass employers) - otherwise all those extra adult hands will be idle.

Yes TZ is headed south - top economies in Africa and globally are very open. Mauritius, Botswana, Namibia, Rwanda punch above their weight due to FDI both capital and manpower. Magufuli without TZ established institutional democracy would easily go Mugabe route.

Now I don't get the concept of M7 greatness. Rwanda in few years has MIT, Canergy, Berkshire, Microsoft and shebang investing big. Ethiopia rise is constantly in the media despite civil conflicts, Oromo rebels and losing Eritrea coastline. Uganda is stuck at 800$ per capita. Lower than TZ. Kenya is 2k$ per capita.

Am I wrong Pundit?

Start-up (aka apps and m-vitu) never get any country out of poverty but only concentrate wealth and power on a few while contributing to capital flight.

Apps are supposed to automate an existing thriving ecosystem like agriculture, engineering, etc which is well under developed in kenya.

Developing countries need basic and heavy engineering work driven by mechanical, civil works, agriculture.

Uhuru gov drove us into a chinese ditch. Basically everything is Chinaman. We are poorer skillwise than Moi 80s when there was still remnants of African trained by mzungu companies. Over the last 10 years we have only learned how to borrow and squander!

Tz has been very clever recently not to rush into mineral deals and will take many years for gas to get extracted. Their foreign minister spoke of going the Norwegian way and setting up sovereign account to save for future generation. I think Norway oil and gas company Equinor are on board and American are scuttling progress. Tz also have Uranium deposit and have been wooing Russia behemoth Rosatom to partner in exploring uranium resource.