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Laikipia MCAs dump Mobutu en masse
« on: June 15, 2020, 09:47:30 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2020, 10:33:04 AM »
I never thought Kalenjin were in such numbers they could make MCA -  mmh - in Rumuruti Laikipia.

I don't see anybody dumping Ruto - they are supporting Wanjohi to finish his two terms and go home.


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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2020, 11:01:28 AM »
Pundit, wake up and smell the coffee. The same politicians who yesterday were abusing Uhuru in public have today gone silent. Iko kitu. The tide is swimming against your man. He made the biggest mistake a marathon runner can make. Make an early sprint. The competitors can only catch up.

I never thought Kalenjin were in such numbers they could make MCA -  mmh - in Rumuruti Laikipia.

I don't see anybody dumping Ruto - they are supporting Wanjohi to finish his two terms and go home.

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2020, 11:33:37 AM »
Ruto has instructed his troops to do that. He himself he is doing that. Ruto is not running against Uhuru. When someone swear allegiance to Uhuru  - it waste of time and money - because he is going home.

Ruto realizes the trap by ODM and Raila was to goad him into a useless war with someone who is retiring.

Pundit, wake up and smell the coffee. The same politicians who yesterday were abusing Uhuru in public have today gone silent. Iko kitu. The tide is swimming against your man. He made the biggest mistake a marathon runner can make. Make an early sprint. The competitors can only catch up.

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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2020, 11:49:42 AM »
Raila supporters are getting excited for nothing. Since the promulgation of the new cosntitution and opening up of democracy space Its a fact that only 20% of the elected politicians make it back.
  And as time goes by and the electorate become more complex the percentage continies to dwindle.
Its a known fact inside the poltician circles that majority of the serving politicians wont make it back in 2022 be it pro Ruto Pro Raila Pro Uhuru Politicians .The predicition is that only 5 % will be able to be relected , so forget about elected mps senotors governors etc the focus should shift to the wanjiku. What is wanjiku feeling ? What does wanjiku want ? So far only one politician in the name of Ruto has been able to relate to the feelings of Wanjiku. As per previous experience even the change of constitution wont influence how Wanjiku will vote in 2022. Ask Raila of the rude awakening he receiveidnin 2013.

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2020, 12:41:05 PM »
 :D And why does Uhuru need "support" from MCAs to finish his term? Didn't he need support when they were insulting him since 2018?

Pundit, wake up and smell the coffee. The same politicians who yesterday were abusing Uhuru in public have today gone silent. Iko kitu. The tide is swimming against your man. He made the biggest mistake a marathon runner can make. Make an early sprint. The competitors can only catch up.

I never thought Kalenjin were in such numbers they could make MCA -  mmh - in Rumuruti Laikipia.

I don't see anybody dumping Ruto - they are supporting Wanjohi to finish his two terms and go home.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2020, 12:44:40 PM »
I thought Ruto has GEMA ground - why the kowtowing to Uhuru? Even if there was a by-election in GEMA - Tangatanga would back Uhuru candidate rather than expose their hustler hot air
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2020, 01:00:49 PM »
Because he wants to be loved so much he chartered a plane to Bomet to collect Isaac Ruto from his cowshed. That is when Jubilee realized Wanjohi need to be pampered and supported to complete his term.

He is angry that Ruto is more popular than him...and now people have to pledge loyalty to him :)

:D And why does Uhuru need "support" from MCAs to finish his term? Didn't he need support when they were insulting him since 2018?

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2020, 01:02:35 PM »
Until Uhuru ammend Katiba, I don't think he is opponent to Ruto.
I thought Ruto has GEMA ground - why the kowtowing to Uhuru? Even if there was a by-election in GEMA - Tangatanga would back Uhuru candidate rather than expose their hustler hot air

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2020, 01:04:22 PM »
Why does Ruto and Tangatanga OBLIGE him - if they are more popular? Your spin is now ridiculous.

Because he wants to be loved so much he chartered a plane to Bomet to collect Isaac Ruto from his cowshed. That is when Jubilee realized Wanjohi need to be pampered and supported to complete his term.

He is angry that Ruto is more popular than him...and now people have to pledge loyalty to him :)

:D And why does Uhuru need "support" from MCAs to finish his term? Didn't he need support when they were insulting him since 2018?
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2020, 01:09:22 PM »
Pundit as you chase your own tail - Uhuru is chattering chopper for Isaac and crowning Kamar, Poghisio, Gideon to contain Ruto. Once they hang Ruto and anoint Moi Jr - Kalenjin will not be bothered by Ruto personal problems. Oh, wait - has Ruto ordered Isaac and Kamar to pamper Uhuru? :)
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2020, 02:15:21 PM »
This is the game Ruto understands very well. Defection. Invented by youth for Kanu way back in 1992. Ruto victim of bad advice, and kindergarten strategy. Biggest mistake surrounds himself with fools. No major tribal chief can come to his rescue.

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2020, 02:30:18 PM »
You're a joke if you think anybody can challenge WSR in Kalenjinland :)
Pundit as you chase your own tail - Uhuru is chattering chopper for Isaac and crowning Kamar, Poghisio, Gideon to contain Ruto. Once they hang Ruto and anoint Moi Jr - Kalenjin will not be bothered by Ruto personal problems. Oh, wait - has Ruto ordered Isaac and Kamar to pamper Uhuru? :)

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2020, 02:43:10 PM »
Ruto being king in kalenjin land should not be in dispute for now. But that's a major climb down from Nationals, regionals to tribal chief.  Uhuru allowing Ruto to interfere with 2017 nominations and general elections is what has brought him all that grief. Ruto stock is declining day by day. The man is not bankable.
You're a joke if you think anybody can challenge WSR in Kalenjinland :)
Pundit as you chase your own tail - Uhuru is chattering chopper for Isaac and crowning Kamar, Poghisio, Gideon to contain Ruto. Once they hang Ruto and anoint Moi Jr - Kalenjin will not be bothered by Ruto personal problems. Oh, wait - has Ruto ordered Isaac and Kamar to pamper Uhuru? :)

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2020, 03:18:14 PM »
You nailed it again. The legacy Ouru is chasing is not economic but political. Nobody remembers which president built which road but a political legacy is what goes into the history books. That legacy does not include Ruto's political divisive Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance which almost brought this country into a civil war and talk of session.  The country is not going back to the 2013/2017 politics and Ruto has no other viable options that would be consistent with Ouru's desired legacy of bringing back Luos to the fold.

Ruto being king in kalenjin land should not be in dispute for now. But that's a major climb down from Nationals, regionals to tribal chief.  Uhuru allowing Ruto to interfere with 2017 nominations and general elections is what has brought him all that grief. Ruto stock is declining day by day. The man is not bankable.
You're a joke if you think anybody can challenge WSR in Kalenjinland :)
Pundit as you chase your own tail - Uhuru is chattering chopper for Isaac and crowning Kamar, Poghisio, Gideon to contain Ruto. Once they hang Ruto and anoint Moi Jr - Kalenjin will not be bothered by Ruto personal problems. Oh, wait - has Ruto ordered Isaac and Kamar to pamper Uhuru? :)
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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2020, 03:57:40 PM »
You nailed it again. The legacy Ouru is chasing is not economic but political. Nobody remembers which president built which road but a political legacy is what goes into the history books. That legacy does not include Ruto's political divisive Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance which almost brought this country into a civil war and talk of session.  The country is not going back to the 2013/2017 politics and Ruto has no other viable options that would be consistent with Ouru's desired legacy of bringing back Luos to the fold.

Ruto being king in kalenjin land should not be in dispute for now. But that's a major climb down from Nationals, regionals to tribal chief.  Uhuru allowing Ruto to interfere with 2017 nominations and general elections is what has brought him all that grief. Ruto stock is declining day by day. The man is not bankable.
You're a joke if you think anybody can challenge WSR in Kalenjinland :)
Pundit as you chase your own tail - Uhuru is chattering chopper for Isaac and crowning Kamar, Poghisio, Gideon to contain Ruto. Once they hang Ruto and anoint Moi Jr - Kalenjin will not be bothered by Ruto personal problems. Oh, wait - has Ruto ordered Isaac and Kamar to pamper Uhuru? :)

You are being insincire ,whenever people use Thiks road they always mention how greatful they for Kibaki expanding it.
Talking of Mt Kenya and Rift Valley alliance this is o e thing that the world is aware of for Uhuru and Ruto bringing the 2 communities together . Theis could pass as a legacy . Heck even Ocampo in his last interview about Ocampo 6 after 2013 elelections acknowelgded it and went on to say he was impressed that for the first time in many years there was no violence during 2013 elections and this was thanks to Ruto. There was alot of pressure on Ruto on his association with Uhuru and Mt Kenya but he stick to his guns.
Odm and Raila were very sure that RV would not ote for Uhuru they were mistaken in 2022 the same ODmers are saying Mt Kenya wont vote for Uhuru they will have a rude awakening .
Isnt it amazing how many times ODmers have gotten it wrong all those years by 2022 ot will be 15 years of continous failing.

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2020, 04:11:24 PM »
Precisely. Uhuru can only cement his legacy if he builds on top of Jubilee's political and economic achievement. How can movement that scored 55% of Kenya votes not be sustainable?

if he destroys Jubilee and jumps around with big 4 - he will achieve nothing. He has 18 months - realistic - he has just this COVID-19 budget to do anything worthwhile. Maybe get the SGR to Malaba and fix the water. The hand over a peaceful country.

All he needed to do is nick the electricity to universal coverage, increase paving of roads to even 30K, and then handover to Ruto a stable country - and his legacy would be so great.

But look at him now - neither loved by Jubilee nor NASA - and universally hated and despised.

And if he takes kenya back to 2007 PEV - he will not be going for retirement - but will be shipped to ICC. PORK Raila will be happy to send him and Ruto to go settle it there again :)

You nailed it again. The legacy Ouru is chasing is not economic but political. Nobody remembers which president built which road but a political legacy is what goes into the history books. That legacy does not include Ruto's political divisive Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance which almost brought this country into a civil war and talk of session.  The country is not going back to the 2013/2017 politics and Ruto has no other viable options that would be consistent with Ouru's desired legacy of bringing back Luos to the fold.

Ruto being king in kalenjin land should not be in dispute for now. But that's a major climb down from Nationals, regionals to tribal chief.  Uhuru allowing Ruto to interfere with 2017 nominations and general elections is what has brought him all that grief. Ruto stock is declining day by day. The man is not bankable.
You're a joke if you think anybody can challenge WSR in Kalenjinland :)
Pundit as you chase your own tail - Uhuru is chattering chopper for Isaac and crowning Kamar, Poghisio, Gideon to contain Ruto. Once they hang Ruto and anoint Moi Jr - Kalenjin will not be bothered by Ruto personal problems. Oh, wait - has Ruto ordered Isaac and Kamar to pamper Uhuru? :)

You are being insincire ,whenever people use Thiks road they always mention how greatful they for Kibaki expanding it.
Talking of Mt Kenya and Rift Valley alliance this is o e thing that the world is aware of for Uhuru and Ruto bringing the 2 communities together . Theis could pass as a legacy . Heck even Ocampo in his last interview about Ocampo 6 after 2013 elelections acknowelgded it and went on to say he was impressed that for the first time in many years there was no violence during 2013 elections and this was thanks to Ruto. There was alot of pressure on Ruto on his association with Uhuru and Mt Kenya but he stick to his guns.
Odm and Raila were very sure that RV would not ote for Uhuru they were mistaken in 2022 the same ODmers are saying Mt Kenya wont vote for Uhuru they will have a rude awakening .
Isnt it amazing how many times ODmers have gotten it wrong all those years by 2022 ot will be 15 years of continous failing.

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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2020, 06:30:28 PM »
Precisely, 55% was rigged and that is why it could not sustain politically stability.  Compare that to handshake which literally took a country tittering at the verge of chaos to a political stable country literally within seconds of the act itself.  You have to be tone deaf not to get it.

Precisely. Uhuru can only cement his legacy if he builds on top of Jubilee's political and economic achievement. How can movement that scored 55% of Kenya votes not be sustainable?

if he destroys Jubilee and jumps around with big 4 - he will achieve nothing. He has 18 months - realistic - he has just this COVID-19 budget to do anything worthwhile. Maybe get the SGR to Malaba and fix the water. The hand over a peaceful country.

All he needed to do is nick the electricity to universal coverage, increase paving of roads to even 30K, and then handover to Ruto a stable country - and his legacy would be so great.

But look at him now - neither loved by Jubilee nor NASA - and universally hated and despised.

And if he takes kenya back to 2007 PEV - he will not be going for retirement - but will be shipped to ICC. PORK Raila will be happy to send him and Ruto to go settle it there again :)

You nailed it again. The legacy Ouru is chasing is not economic but political. Nobody remembers which president built which road but a political legacy is what goes into the history books. That legacy does not include Ruto's political divisive Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance which almost brought this country into a civil war and talk of session.  The country is not going back to the 2013/2017 politics and Ruto has no other viable options that would be consistent with Ouru's desired legacy of bringing back Luos to the fold.

Ruto being king in kalenjin land should not be in dispute for now. But that's a major climb down from Nationals, regionals to tribal chief.  Uhuru allowing Ruto to interfere with 2017 nominations and general elections is what has brought him all that grief. Ruto stock is declining day by day. The man is not bankable.
You're a joke if you think anybody can challenge WSR in Kalenjinland :)
Pundit as you chase your own tail - Uhuru is chattering chopper for Isaac and crowning Kamar, Poghisio, Gideon to contain Ruto. Once they hang Ruto and anoint Moi Jr - Kalenjin will not be bothered by Ruto personal problems. Oh, wait - has Ruto ordered Isaac and Kamar to pamper Uhuru? :)

You are being insincire ,whenever people use Thiks road they always mention how greatful they for Kibaki expanding it.
Talking of Mt Kenya and Rift Valley alliance this is o e thing that the world is aware of for Uhuru and Ruto bringing the 2 communities together . Theis could pass as a legacy . Heck even Ocampo in his last interview about Ocampo 6 after 2013 elelections acknowelgded it and went on to say he was impressed that for the first time in many years there was no violence during 2013 elections and this was thanks to Ruto. There was alot of pressure on Ruto on his association with Uhuru and Mt Kenya but he stick to his guns.
Odm and Raila were very sure that RV would not ote for Uhuru they were mistaken in 2022 the same ODmers are saying Mt Kenya wont vote for Uhuru they will have a rude awakening .
Isnt it amazing how many times ODmers have gotten it wrong all those years by 2022 ot will be 15 years of continous failing.
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2020, 07:21:43 PM »
Precisely, 55% was rigged and that is why it could not sustain politically stability.  Compare that to handshake which literally took a country tittering at the verge of chaos to a political stable country literally within seconds of the act itself.  You have to be tone deaf not to get it.

Precisely. Uhuru can only cement his legacy if he builds on top of Jubilee's political and economic achievement. How can movement that scored 55% of Kenya votes not be sustainable?

if he destroys Jubilee and jumps around with big 4 - he will achieve nothing. He has 18 months - realistic - he has just this COVID-19 budget to do anything worthwhile. Maybe get the SGR to Malaba and fix the water. The hand over a peaceful country.

All he needed to do is nick the electricity to universal coverage, increase paving of roads to even 30K, and then handover to Ruto a stable country - and his legacy would be so great.

But look at him now - neither loved by Jubilee nor NASA - and universally hated and despised.

And if he takes kenya back to 2007 PEV - he will not be going for retirement - but will be shipped to ICC. PORK Raila will be happy to send him and Ruto to go settle it there again :)

You nailed it again. The legacy Ouru is chasing is not economic but political. Nobody remembers which president built which road but a political legacy is what goes into the history books. That legacy does not include Ruto's political divisive Kalenjin/Kikuyu alliance which almost brought this country into a civil war and talk of session.  The country is not going back to the 2013/2017 politics and Ruto has no other viable options that would be consistent with Ouru's desired legacy of bringing back Luos to the fold.

Ruto being king in kalenjin land should not be in dispute for now. But that's a major climb down from Nationals, regionals to tribal chief.  Uhuru allowing Ruto to interfere with 2017 nominations and general elections is what has brought him all that grief. Ruto stock is declining day by day. The man is not bankable.
You're a joke if you think anybody can challenge WSR in Kalenjinland :)
Pundit as you chase your own tail - Uhuru is chattering chopper for Isaac and crowning Kamar, Poghisio, Gideon to contain Ruto. Once they hang Ruto and anoint Moi Jr - Kalenjin will not be bothered by Ruto personal problems. Oh, wait - has Ruto ordered Isaac and Kamar to pamper Uhuru? :)

You are being insincire ,whenever people use Thiks road they always mention how greatful they for Kibaki expanding it.
Talking of Mt Kenya and Rift Valley alliance this is o e thing that the world is aware of for Uhuru and Ruto bringing the 2 communities together . Theis could pass as a legacy . Heck even Ocampo in his last interview about Ocampo 6 after 2013 elelections acknowelgded it and went on to say he was impressed that for the first time in many years there was no violence during 2013 elections and this was thanks to Ruto. There was alot of pressure on Ruto on his association with Uhuru and Mt Kenya but he stick to his guns.
Odm and Raila were very sure that RV would not ote for Uhuru they were mistaken in 2022 the same ODmers are saying Mt Kenya wont vote for Uhuru they will have a rude awakening .
Isnt it amazing how many times ODmers have gotten it wrong all those years by 2022 ot will be 15 years of continous failing.

Actually its to the contrary the fact is post handshake Kenya economy growth slowed down from a 6.3 %GDP to 5.7% GDP .
In the first term Raila continued politicking and it never necessarily stopped Uhurus Government from performing. If you compare Uhurus achievement in the first term and second term you will see a big difference . Uhuru was better off  without Raila. In my opinion he should have co-opted Kalonzo and Mudavadi instead of Raila. With bringin Raila in as much as he has gotten the legislature but at a cost of losing political capital and inturn in danger of going as the worst performing president.

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2020, 08:15:24 PM »
Precisely. Raila failing to do his job as an elected opposition leader and allowing Uhuru so much comfort zone he has added weight is responsible for the underachievement.

Uhuru is using NASA to get away with anything including underperformance. Ministers are least concerned about performing.

It's huge mess. Just politicking and infighting.

Someone like Wamalwa is busier in Luhyaland than providing leadership at his ministry.

Uhuru has failed as elected PORK. Raila has abdicated his responsibility as elected opposition. Our democracy is dying.

Actually its to the contrary the fact is post handshake Kenya economy growth slowed down from a 6.3 %GDP to 5.7% GDP .
In the first term Raila continued politicking and it never necessarily stopped Uhurus Government from performing. If you compare Uhurus achievement in the first term and second term you will see a big difference . Uhuru was better off  without Raila. In my opinion he should have co-opted Kalonzo and Mudavadi instead of Raila. With bringin Raila in as much as he has gotten the legislature but at a cost of losing political capital and inturn in danger of going as the worst performing president.