Uhuru keen on BBI

[RV Pundit]

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Not even covid will stop it

[Njuri Ncheke]

Not even covid will stop it

But you could tell the addict is coming around and knows he must get support from hustler to make it see success.

[Garliv]

Uhuru is now out in the open. He cannot backtrack.

The problem with BBI is that what they published and launched at Bomas is not what they intend to implement. They want something else akin to Parliamentary system. And in the latter system, the worst losers are actually Mt. Kenya. For we have argued more than enough times that Mt. Kenya has NO SUFFICIENT NUMBERS OF MPs; the region shall always be in the minority. And in the political sharkwaters that is Kenyan tribal politics; it is EASIER to mobilize OTHERS against Mt. Kenya than the other way round.
Ruto could benefit the most if Uhuru/Raila change the constitution to parliamentary system. He just has to mobilize KAMATUSA FIRST then go after any other alliance. Losers here will be Mt. Kenya by a bigger margin. And ALL for Uhuru to be PM!...

 

[KenyanPlato]

The facts are

Only two tribes are jostling for power currently. Kalenjins and Kikuyus. The other tribes know that they can only attain power via making Kenya ungovernable. The farce of future elections won't sell to the other 40 plus tribes. they are right now watching as the two duke it out. They care less who is the victor or loser in this game.

Uhuru knows that the future of kikuyus is not in mobilizing Thurakus. he knows Thurakus and kalenjins do not have numbers and that the current political stalemate can only end by herding Kikuyus into a national coalition. A coalition where they will be has the strength on numbers that they needed from their enemies kalenjins.

That is all there is to this. Anyone who thinks Kikuyus are looking to keep their alliance with Kalenjins at expense of everyone else is deluded. That is the hardest route to take.

It is time for Kalenjins to take their numbers and shove them up their skinny bottoms or find another major tribe willing to form a coalition with them.

It is very telling that none of the NASA coalition members has run to Kalenjin camp. However, they are maneuvering to form a parternship Raila and Jubilee coalition.

Raila knows that all he needs is state machinery to achieve his goals. he understands that voting is uselless in Kenya.

Ruto lacks the coalition building skills that Raila have harnessed in the last 30 years. He fails in this and would need a lot of exprience to achieve this kind of coercing that Raila does to get others in his camp

Also, it does appear that Ruto doesn't have the rank and file of RV players in his camp. They are all watching and if anyone offers them security and power they will leave him to hang dry.

[RV Pundit]

Let them unleash this BBI 2.0 so we can know exactly what needs fixing. Honestly, most Kenyans don't think the constitution needs fixing. If I was Ruto for many reasons I would oppose it whatever it is.

Ruto will get fired (probably) from DPORK for doing that - but he will have opportunity to form a splinter party.

And will have ability to test run...and build a strong base of 40% - that would require small running in 2022.

[RV Pundit]

Sounds like we should have heeded Moi in 1980s and stayed as one party system? Look like multi-party democracy was wrong - it just led to more and more tribalism?

People need to accept to win or lose - we cannot have gov where everyone will be there. That will be back to KANU.

What we can do is strengthen devolution - so those who fail to win national seats - have a fall-back position.

And I think we can strengthen devolution - by giving them more power - and then money will follow.

That is power-sharing we want to hear - horizontal power sharing.

We cannot engage in constitutional changes with Ruto or Raila or Uhuru in mind - what if they die today.

The facts are

Only two tribes are jostling for power currently. Kalenjins and Kikuyus. The other tribes know that they can only attain power via making Kenya ungovernable. The farce of future elections won't sell to the other 40 plus tribes. they are right now watching as the two duke it out. They care less who is the victor or loser in this game.

Uhuru knows that the future of kikuyus is not in mobilizing Thurakus. he knows Thurakus and kalenjins do not have numbers and that the current political stalemate can only end by herding Kikuyus into a national coalition. A coalition where they will be has the strength on numbers that they needed from their enemies kalenjins.

That is all there is to this. Anyone who thinks Kikuyus are looking to keep their alliance with Kalenjins at expense of everyone else is deluded. That is the hardest route to take.

It is time for Kalenjins to take their numbers and shove them up their skinny bottoms or find another major tribe willing to form a coalition with them.

It is very telling that none of the NASA coalition members has run to Kalenjin camp. However, they are maneuvering to form a parternship Raila and Jubilee coalition.

Raila knows that all he needs is state machinery to achieve his goals. he understands that voting is uselless in Kenya.

Ruto lacks the coalition building skills that Raila have harnessed in the last 30 years. He fails in this and would need a lot of exprience to achieve this kind of coercing that Raila does to get others in his camp

Also, it does appear that Ruto doesn't have the rank and file of RV players in his camp. They are all watching and if anyone offers them security and power they will leave him to hang dry.

[KenyanPlato]

Let them unleash this BBI 2.0 so we can know exactly what needs fixing. Honestly, most Kenyans don't think the constitution needs fixing. If I was Ruto for many reasons I would oppose it whatever it is.

Ruto will get fired (probably) from DPORK for doing that - but he will have opportunity to form a splinter party.

And will have ability to test run...and build a strong base of 40% - that would require small running in 2022.

They do not need to even reform constitution.  Ruto was thinking Uhuru will throw him a simple kibakisque political challenge.Nope. Uhuru has decided to dismantle him via party politics and leave the state out of the fight. This has exposed ruto as not having the will to fight or the know how to fight. He was thrown in a simple challenge and all he did was fold. Now all his financiers will toe the state line and leave him to dry. Ruto has no gas in the tank. The gas in the tank he had was from collecting kickbacks and appointments. Uhuru has gobbled this

[KenyanPlato]

Sounds like we should have heeded Moi in 1980s and stayed as one party system? Look like multi-party democracy was wrong - it just led to more and more tribalism?

People need to accept to win or lose - we cannot have gov where everyone will be there. That will be back to KANU.

What we can do is strengthen devolution - so those who fail to win national seats - have a fall-back position.

And I think we can strengthen devolution - by giving them more power - and then money will follow.

That is power-sharing we want to hear - horizontal power sharing.

We cannot engage in constitutional changes with Ruto or Raila or Uhuru in mind - what if they die today.

The facts are

Only two tribes are jostling for power currently. Kalenjins and Kikuyus. The other tribes know that they can only attain power via making Kenya ungovernable. The farce of future elections won't sell to the other 40 plus tribes. they are right now watching as the two duke it out. They care less who is the victor or loser in this game.

Uhuru knows that the future of kikuyus is not in mobilizing Thurakus. he knows Thurakus and kalenjins do not have numbers and that the current political stalemate can only end by herding Kikuyus into a national coalition. A coalition where they will be has the strength on numbers that they needed from their enemies kalenjins.

That is all there is to this. Anyone who thinks Kikuyus are looking to keep their alliance with Kalenjins at expense of everyone else is deluded. That is the hardest route to take.

It is time for Kalenjins to take their numbers and shove them up their skinny bottoms or find another major tribe willing to form a coalition with them.

It is very telling that none of the NASA coalition members has run to Kalenjin camp. However, they are maneuvering to form a parternship Raila and Jubilee coalition.

Raila knows that all he needs is state machinery to achieve his goals. he understands that voting is uselless in Kenya.

Ruto lacks the coalition building skills that Raila have harnessed in the last 30 years. He fails in this and would need a lot of exprience to achieve this kind of coercing that Raila does to get others in his camp

Also, it does appear that Ruto doesn't have the rank and file of RV players in his camp. They are all watching and if anyone offers them security and power they will leave him to hang dry.

Moi legitimized Tribalism and made it structural. It is hard for Kalenjins to understand why now that they are in power they cann't do things they used to do during moi govt.

Like hiring villagers in a corporation and running it down to bankruptcy

that kind of mentality won't die because we have elections. it will take generations and state dismantling to end.

[RV Pundit]

The end game of politics is people. That is the strength of Raila. Ruto has emerged as the people's choice. You can have all the money but without any political support from the ground, it's all zero. Uhuru has many problems - on the legacy he had - he is throwing it to the wind to go for two birds. It doesn't look good for him.

If he brings a referendum - he risks losing it - because mt kenya people are going to need a lot of convincing to join that bandwagon.

They do not need to even reform constitution.  Ruto was thinking Uhuru will throw him a simple kibakisque political challenge.Nope. Uhuru has decided to dismantle him via party politics and leave the state out of the fight. This has exposed ruto as not having the will to fight or the know how to fight. He was thrown in a simple challenge and all he did was fold. Now all his financiers will toe the state line and leave him to dry. Ruto has no gas in the tank. The gas in the tank he had was from collecting kickbacks and appointments. Uhuru has gobbled this

[RV Pundit]

Sounds like we should have heeded Moi in 1980s and stayed as one party system? Look like multi-party democracy was wrong - it just led to more and more tribalism?

People need to accept to win or lose - we cannot have gov where everyone will be there. That will be back to KANU.

What we can do is strengthen devolution - so those who fail to win national seats - have a fall-back position.

And I think we can strengthen devolution - by giving them more power - and then money will follow.

That is power-sharing we want to hear - horizontal power sharing.

We cannot engage in constitutional changes with Ruto or Raila or Uhuru in mind - what if they die today.

The facts are

Only two tribes are jostling for power currently. Kalenjins and Kikuyus. The other tribes know that they can only attain power via making Kenya ungovernable. The farce of future elections won't sell to the other 40 plus tribes. they are right now watching as the two duke it out. They care less who is the victor or loser in this game.

Uhuru knows that the future of kikuyus is not in mobilizing Thurakus. he knows Thurakus and kalenjins do not have numbers and that the current political stalemate can only end by herding Kikuyus into a national coalition. A coalition where they will be has the strength on numbers that they needed from their enemies kalenjins.

That is all there is to this. Anyone who thinks Kikuyus are looking to keep their alliance with Kalenjins at expense of everyone else is deluded. That is the hardest route to take.

It is time for Kalenjins to take their numbers and shove them up their skinny bottoms or find another major tribe willing to form a coalition with them.

It is very telling that none of the NASA coalition members has run to Kalenjin camp. However, they are maneuvering to form a parternship Raila and Jubilee coalition.

Raila knows that all he needs is state machinery to achieve his goals. he understands that voting is uselless in Kenya.

Ruto lacks the coalition building skills that Raila have harnessed in the last 30 years. He fails in this and would need a lot of exprience to achieve this kind of coercing that Raila does to get others in his camp

Also, it does appear that Ruto doesn't have the rank and file of RV players in his camp. They are all watching and if anyone offers them security and power they will leave him to hang dry.

Moi legitimized Tribalism and made it structural. It is hard for Kalenjins to understand why now that they are in power they cann't do things they used to do during moi govt.

Like hiring villagers in a corporation and running it down to bankruptcy

that kind of mentality won't die because we have elections. it will take generations and state dismantling to end.

lol.kenyatta started it and Kibaki took it notch higher..Uhuru was fine until recently.Kalenjin have not be hunted down like stray dogs like kikuyus  managed to get themselves hated.Youre now fearful because you don't know what the future holds..the prospect of loosing power is making your elite commit serious mistakes

[KenyanPlato]

The end game of politics is people. That is the strength of Raila. Ruto has emerged as the people's choice. You can have all the money but without any political support from the ground, it's all zero. Uhuru has many problems - on the legacy he had - he is throwing it to the wind to go for two birds. It doesn't look good for him.

If he brings a referendum - he risks losing it - because mt kenya people are going to need a lot of convincing to join that bandwagon.

They do not need to even reform constitution.  Ruto was thinking Uhuru will throw him a simple kibakisque political challenge.Nope. Uhuru has decided to dismantle him via party politics and leave the state out of the fight. This has exposed ruto as not having the will to fight or the know how to fight. He was thrown in a simple challenge and all he did was fold. Now all his financiers will toe the state line and leave him to dry. Ruto has no gas in the tank. The gas in the tank he had was from collecting kickbacks and appointments. Uhuru has gobbled this

It is not that simple. All a voter in central needs to ask is what  will Ruto deliver to me that Uhuru didn't? Is the voter protest vote going to achieve anything? Were Uhuru's actions misguided or evil?

Right now Uhuru just asked Kalenjins and Kikuyus what is it that he has not done for them that he has done for other tribes? There is deafening silence? Ruto team is unable to counter Uhuru in anyway. If this ODM, they would have boycotted todays celebrations and set an agenda elsewhere. I bet you the papers would have two contrasting news coverage of Madaraka day.

When GEMA folks said uhuru has  built roads, he commissioned Mau Mau road. One of the key Ruto lieutenant Nyoro constituency has been the biggest beneficiary of Uhuru's development

At the end of the day the biggest problem for ruto won't be he is underdog or people are not with him, it will be boil down to can ALL Kikuyus Trust him?

IF they can't then his Jubilee coalition is useless to him. Ruto needs over 85% of Kikuyu vote to win or to challenge Uhuru.,. right now we haven't had a test on this but the party battle exposed him

In Central politicians are either waiting like hyenas to his where to go or they are fighting to deputize Uhuru's choice.

Do you think in diverse region like central Moses Kuria, Nyoro and Ichungwa can deliver it to Ruto?

[RV Pundit]

Why do you imagine 85% is all Ruto need..GEMA if they split votes will split their say in  gov and Ruto will need top ups

[KenyanPlato]

Kenyatta was not an outright tribalist. He lost control of succession politics due to advanced age. Kenyatta should have quit in 1975. Historically it dawned on me that kenyatta corrutption and looting was due to the fact he felt insecure and was seeing leaders all around him being toppled.

Kenyatta had bought land in RV and was planting wheat. Nandis had a claim on the land. So they waited for the wheat to dry up and was ready for harverst and then set it on fire. They did this by setting cats and squirrels on fire and then chasing them in the wheat fields. Upon kenyatta being informed of this, he told his security guys to not harrass Nandis are he knew that it was not worthy. He went to Nakuru. In his speech there he asked Nyakinyua if he should continue ruling kenya as a new intiatiate that keeps one hand hold the penis and the other out in the open. Kakinyua roared back no. My mum told me that after that Kenyatta started moving money out of kenya. he feared that he would die in coup and leave his family destitute. His own daughter had married the son of first PM of Liberia. While visiting his inlaws in Nairobi Libeiran PM was overthrown and killed. Kenyatta son inlaw had to be literary be married to Kenyatta family as he couldn't return home

Right now Ruto behaviour is abhorrent. Rotich kind of looting is evil. Kenyans do not want it. They see Ruto as a greedy and undisciplined leader. A myopic person that is ready to destroy the same state that is providing him with power

[KenyanPlato]

Why do you imagine 85% is all Ruto need..GEMA if they split votes will split their say in  gov and Ruto will need top ups
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Top up from where. Ruto has to be beat the state Machinery by over 70% to secure presidency. Not possible.

[RV Pundit]

No need for history. Let talk now. Kikuyu elite are facing very tough 2yrs. They don't have Kikuyu candidate and know whoever they support - will turn their back on them almost immediately. Ruto at least doesn't have that betrayal thing yet - this is his first time going thro this. But for Raila or even Kalonzo - as soon as they get in - it will be payback time.

And that is problem we now find ourselves in. GEMA ground see Jubilee has coalition that was not broken and need no fixing. Uhuru and elite are confused...Ruto, Raila, Gideon, Kalonzo...their own...change the constitution...

Heck at this rate they may even delete the presidency so nobody else can become one.

The way I see it - it going to be either Raila or Ruto - and the soon they decide - and really decide -and start preparing to transition out of power - the better for Kenya.

Otherwise kenya is going to a very bad place.

Kenyatta was not an outright tribalist. He lost control of succession politics due to advanced age. Kenyatta should have quit in 1975. Historically it dawned on me that kenyatta corrutption and looting was due to the fact he felt insecure and was seeing leaders all around him being toppled.

Kenyatta had bought land in RV and was planting wheat. Nandis had a claim on the land. So they waited for the wheat to dry up and was ready for harverst and then set it on fire. They did this by setting cats and squirrels on fire and then chasing them in the wheat fields. Upon kenyatta being informed of this, he told his security guys to not harrass Nandis are he knew that it was not worthy. He went to Nakuru. In his speech there he asked Nyakinyua if he should continue ruling kenya as a new intiatiate that keeps one hand hold the penis and the other out in the open. Kakinyua roared back no. My mum told me that after that Kenyatta started moving money out of kenya. he feared that he would die in coup and leave his family destitute. His own daughter had married the son of first PM of Liberia. While visiting his inlaws in Nairobi Libeiran PM was overthrown and killed. Kenyatta son inlaw had to be literary be married to Kenyatta family as he couldn't return home

Right now Ruto behaviour is abhorrent. Rotich kind of looting is evil. Kenyans do not want it. They see Ruto as a greedy and undisciplined leader. A myopic person that is ready to destroy the same state that is providing him with power

You make it sound like Kikuyus are angels. My friend under Kenyatta - Kenya was a colony of Kikuyus. Kenyatta conducted cabinet affairs in Kikuyu. Kibaki despite being elected by all kenyans - becama

Moi legitimized Tribalism and made it structural. It is hard for Kalenjins to understand why now that they are in power they cann't do things they used to do during moi govt.

Like hiring villagers in a corporation and running it down to bankruptcy

that kind of mentality won't die because we have elections. it will take generations and state dismantling to end.

Kenyatta was not an outright tribalist. He lost control of succession politics due to advanced age. Kenyatta should have quit in 1975. Historically it dawned on me that kenyatta corrutption and looting was due to the fact he felt insecure and was seeing leaders all around him being toppled.

Kenyatta had bought land in RV and was planting wheat. Nandis had a claim on the land. So they waited for the wheat to dry up and was ready for harverst and then set it on fire. They did this by setting cats and squirrels on fire and then chasing them in the wheat fields. Upon kenyatta being informed of this, he told his security guys to not harrass Nandis are he knew that it was not worthy. He went to Nakuru. In his speech there he asked Nyakinyua if he should continue ruling kenya as a new intiatiate that keeps one hand hold the penis and the other out in the open. Kakinyua roared back no. My mum told me that after that Kenyatta started moving money out of kenya. he feared that he would die in coup and leave his family destitute. His own daughter had married the son of first PM of Liberia. While visiting his inlaws in Nairobi Libeiran PM was overthrown and killed. Kenyatta son inlaw had to be literary be married to Kenyatta family as he couldn't return home

Right now Ruto behaviour is abhorrent. Rotich kind of looting is evil. Kenyans do not want it. They see Ruto as a greedy and undisciplined leader. A myopic person that is ready to destroy the same state that is providing him with power

[RV Pundit]

If GEMA continues with indecision we will end up with 4 or 5 candidates (Raila,Ruto,Kalonzo,maDVD, GEMA candidate) - and still, Ruto or Raila will face off in run-off because they are the strongest. But maybe they will manage to delete PORK by making it so ceremonial it would be useless.

And the battle shift to PMship.

[KenyanPlato]

There is no indecision because no decision has been taken yet

[Njuri Ncheke]

The facts are

Only two tribes are jostling for power currently. Kalenjins and Kikuyus. The other tribes know that they can only attain power via making Kenya ungovernable. The farce of future elections won't sell to the other 40 plus tribes. they are right now watching as the two duke it out. They care less who is the victor or loser in this game.

Uhuru knows that the future of kikuyus is not in mobilizing Thurakus. he knows Thurakus and kalenjins do not have numbers and that the current political stalemate can only end by herding Kikuyus into a national coalition. A coalition where they will be has the strength on numbers that they needed from their enemies kalenjins.

That is all there is to this. Anyone who thinks Kikuyus are looking to keep their alliance with Kalenjins at expense of everyone else is deluded. That is the hardest route to take.

It is time for Kalenjins to take their numbers and shove them up their skinny bottoms or find another major tribe willing to form a coalition with them.

It is very telling that none of the NASA coalition members has run to Kalenjin camp. However, they are maneuvering to form a parternship Raila and Jubilee coalition.

Raila knows that all he needs is state machinery to achieve his goals. he understands that voting is uselless in Kenya.

Ruto lacks the coalition building skills that Raila have harnessed in the last 30 years. He fails in this and would need a lot of exprience to achieve this kind of coercing that Raila does to get others in his camp

Also, it does appear that Ruto doesn't have the rank and file of RV players in his camp. They are all watching and if anyone offers them security and power they will leave him to hang dry.

You need your head recalibrated, I knew soon you will have a melt down and show your true color. Instead of writing long rumbling essays just summarize it as "kikuyu elite doesn't want to hand power to Ruto" . From your comfort zone in america obviously you assume you have made it in life and now a kikuyu elite. But the truth is otherwise and you know that George Floyd reminded you. Back in kenya Kikuyus understand that Uhuru is just after securing his family and a few elites he doesn't care about the kikuyu peasants /hawkers and chokoras. What this means is that they are exposed and face liquidation from several kabilas not just kalenjin. If Raila is president you kikuyu will pay dearly its no exception any non kikuyu president will make you wet and soil yourself. Mashinani raia will be also on your case its simple their is no soft landing the future is bleak for kikuyu. Other kabilas will overun you. But at the moment enjoy end is nigh.

[KenyanPlato]

Njuri Ncheke
You are a Meru Nationalist so sit down and listen when patriots speak. btw Merus are not Kikuyus and will just wait like everybody else to be told where to lineup.

As far as if I am an elite or not. I have always been in the elite. I grew up in house where Michuki and Karume were regular visitors. However, my family has never endorsed Kikuyu hegemony. We strongly believe in Meritocracy. Even with the access to the to Kenyatta era barons my old-man didn't use these connections to enrich himself as matter of fact he peeled away from these barons.

Everyone in the world is beneficiary of Whiteman benevolence or a victim. I choose to be a beneficiary and If you continue advocating your meru backward bigotry we may have to send a drone to spray roundup on all that miraa over there

[RV Pundit]

That is Uhuru elite problem - Raila they know will go for them few hours after being sworn in. When it comes to constitution - Parliamentary is also moto moto like Raila. Devolution tending toward Majimbo is also moto moto for them.

Ruto has given them a good deal - 50-50. They should take it before it's too late.

You need your head recalibrated, I knew soon you will have a melt down and show your true color. Instead of writing long rumbling essays just summarize it as "kikuyu elite doesn't want to hand power to Ruto" . From your comfort zone in america obviously you assume you have made it in life and now a kikuyu elite. But the truth is otherwise and you know that George Floyd reminded you. Back in kenya Kikuyus understand that Uhuru is just after securing his family and a few elites he doesn't care about the kikuyu peasants /hawkers and chokoras. What this means is that they are exposed and face liquidation from several kabilas not just kalenjin. If Raila is president you kikuyu will pay dearly its no exception any non kikuyu president will make you wet and soil yourself. Mashinani raia will be also on your case its simple their is no soft landing the future is bleak for kikuyu. Other kabilas will overun you. But at the moment enjoy end is nigh.