Planet of the Humans

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

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Grim. 

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

I don't like Michael Moore, too liberal for my taste.

What is the movie about ?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I don't like Michael Moore, too liberal for my taste.

What is the movie about ?

It appears to put to bed the notion of green energy.  The choice seems to be between abandoning our modern lifestyle or it’s lights out.  If you are trying to replicate current consumption, solar farms, wind mills etc still depend on fossil fuels to be anything beyond a fad.  You will not see or hear Michael Moore in this documentary.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

It appears to put to bed the notion of green energy.  The choice seems to be between abandoning our modern lifestyle or it’s lights out.

I'm actually very excited about that prospect.

If you are trying to replicate current consumption, solar farms, wind mills etc still depend on fossil fuels to be anything beyond a fad.  You will not see or hear Michael Moore in this documentary.

James Kunstler has been making that point for some time. No way so called renewable technologies will allow us to live at the current energy consumption rate. Heavy industry, aviation, wasteful driving, lights on every time in cities, etc.

[RV Pundit]

Once we have all bridge the infrastructure deficit - we won't need all that energy and minning.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Once we have all bridge the infrastructure deficit - we won't need all that energy and minning.

Are you trolling ?

Do you think people would walk across those bridges?

[KenyanPlato]

Hehehe exctinction is going to happen soon than we anticipated....the lack of air traffic will make this summer hell

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Hehehe exctinction is going to happen soon than we anticipated....the lack of air traffic will make this summer hell

I think poor countries have to be discouraged from industrializing and compensated somehow.  Compensation and maybe a bonus for keeping their populations in check.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Hehehe exctinction is going to happen soon than we anticipated....the lack of air traffic will make this summer hell

I think poor countries have to be discouraged from industrializing and compensated somehow.  Compensation and maybe a bonus for keeping their populations in check.

Wow! So they destroy the planet and enjoy the fruits of industrialization but poor countries are to be prevented from the party and thrown crumps, how is that equitable? Frantz Fanon is as prescient as ever. So many mzungus in black skin.

Deindustrialization and population control should apply to all races EQUALLY not just poor black and brown countries.

Take your eugenic white supremacist nonsense somewhere else.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Hehehe exctinction is going to happen soon than we anticipated....the lack of air traffic will make this summer hell

I think poor countries have to be discouraged from industrializing and compensated somehow.  Compensation and maybe a bonus for keeping their populations in check.

Wow! So they destroy the planet and enjoy the fruits of industrialization but poor countries are to be prevented from the party and thrown crumps, how is that equitable? Frantz Fanon is as prescient as ever. So many mzungus in black skin.

Deindustrialization and population control should apply to all races EQUALLY not just poor black and brown countries.

Take your eugenic white supremacist nonsense somewhere else.

How is that white supremacist?  If you knew me you'd be laughing hardest at yourself.  It's just a suggestion which I doubt has any chance of happening.  And it includes compensation.  In any case Africa stands to benefit from population reduction, even when you ignore pollution.  Reduced conflict is just one of the benefits.

The problem boils down not to the use of energy per se, but how to get rid of the waste products.  In principle, outer space could happily lap up all the garbage the world can produce(but we are far from figuring out the mechanics). 

[KenyanPlato]

Hehehe exctinction is going to happen soon than we anticipated....the lack of air traffic will make this summer hell

It not gonna happen. There is no way this gonna be solved without war

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

How is that white supremacist?  If you knew me you'd be laughing hardest at yourself.  It's just a suggestion which I doubt has any chance of happening.  And it includes compensation.  In any case Africa stands to benefit from population reduction, even when you ignore pollution.  Reduced conflict is just one of the benefits.

You can't talk someone into being woke. You either born conscious or not, otherwise you will be cosigning Bill Gates eugenic nonsense which is aimed at Africans. I'm for home grown population control measures, I don't intend to have kids myself.

The problem boils down not to the use of energy per se, but how to get rid of the waste products.  In principle, outer space could happily lap up all the garbage the world can produce(but we are far from figuring out the mechanics).

That is the mindset that got them into trouble in first place, the belief that technology will save us from doing the right thing and we can continue our current irresponsible and wasteful use of resources. If they somehow succeed in projecting terrestrial trash into space, decades down the line some yet unforeseen issue would arise perhaps even more dire than global warming. Human folly never ends.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

How is that white supremacist?  If you knew me you'd be laughing hardest at yourself.  It's just a suggestion which I doubt has any chance of happening.  And it includes compensation.  In any case Africa stands to benefit from population reduction, even when you ignore pollution.  Reduced conflict is just one of the benefits.

You can't talk someone into being woke. You either born conscious or not, otherwise you will be cosigning Bill Gates eugenic nonsense which is aimed at Africans. I'm for home grown population control measures, I don't intend to have kids myself.

So because racists also want fewer Negroes, the suggestion that Africa should control its population is eugenics.  Is that your argument?  Just keep breeding like rabbits because Bill Gates is David Duke without the hood?  Mmh...

The problem boils down not to the use of energy per se, but how to get rid of the waste products.  In principle, outer space could happily lap up all the garbage the world can produce(but we are far from figuring out the mechanics).

That is the mindset that got them into trouble in first place, the belief that technology will save us from doing the right thing and we can continue our current irresponsible and wasteful use of resources. If they somehow succeed in projecting terrestrial trash into space, decades down the line some yet unforeseen issue would arise perhaps even more dire than global warming. Human folly never ends.

There could be unforeseen circumstances in using outer space to dispose our waste.  But we cross that bridge when we get there.  Much like we are now crossing a bridge that was the unforeseen circumstance of improved nutrition.  Population explosion.  But space is big.  Our footprint minuscule.

Ultimately the earth is going to die even if we choose to live on trees.  Technology gives us the only chance to outlive it.

[RV Pundit]

Most energy-intensive industries are stuff like steel, cement, mining for those minerals, name them. Once you develop - you really don't need that much steel or cement - and you start seeing decline or stable population - so one day we will all get into a place where China or India or Africa won't need so much of basic things.

The typical household doesn't need that much power - solar power is probably enough to deal with many normal users - and wind to compliment.

But for industries who need to blast rocks - they need more intensive energy sources. Hopefully in the future - when China has built all it wants - India - Africa- Latin America - we will just be maintaining those infrastructures.

And we will all be riding in little bicycles if not completely working and living from home. No need for commute burning fuel in traffic-jam kind of thing.

Once we have all bridge the infrastructure deficit - we won't need all that energy and minning.