Author Topic: Pundit, coup in Jubilee Party (Read 4845 times)

Higgins the genius · « **on:** April 09, 2020, 10:37:50 PM »

Uhuru is taking JP through back door. The 7 days lapses on Easter Monday.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2020, 04:24:59 AM »

Ruto has various parties registered - United Green Movement, Tangatanga Party, Kuria party, Kiunjuri party. Etc.

Issue is how to herd his flock there without losing half of them in the wilderness. Unlike UDM pastoralist party - a national following is hard to maintain while battling the machinery. Murky affairs.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #2 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:33:30 PM »

Where are Garliv and Pundit? I been telling them Ruto nyokonyoko will get him nowhere. He can run to party tribunal and then high court - all tough luck - or brave corvid and hold demos in Eldoret.

Meantime his fake consults with Uhuru are laughing stock.

Even the blonde Plato correctly predicted this story.

Angry Ruto protests 'illegal' Jubilee coup

https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-protests-illegal-Jubilee-coup/3126390-5520684-gffkdx/index.html

Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2020, 06:38:56 PM »

This(covid-19 season) seems like a bad time to be on the receiving end. It's really an easy time for an autocracy to take hold.

GeeMail · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2020, 09:57:56 PM »

Very appropriate ad in that story. Washed, hanged and left to dry. LaundroMat.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2020, 10:51:38 PM »

Quote from: bitmask on April 11, 2020, 06:38:56 PM

This(covid-19 season) seems like a bad time to be on the receiving end. It's really an easy time for an autocracy to take hold.

Indeed. Ruto groupies can't meet due to the pandemic. They cannot call for demos. They don't subscribe to the rule of law and will not go to court. Worse is Ruto's positioning of Uhurutopia - just 2 days ago he told us they consult on a daily basis. They are merely social distancing

He is back to UDM - Tuju is the new ole Kamwaro. Murathe never left

Ruto is caged. Uhuru has the party. If Ruto decamps to a new party - there is high risk of lack of traction esp on the mountain. If he takes Uhuru head-on then it becomes Ruto vs Uhuru in Central. Raila couldn't be happier.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2020, 11:27:24 PM »

Chama ina wenyewe

Garliv · « **Reply #7 on:** April 12, 2020, 01:05:19 PM »

Robina,
I personally have never refuted that Uhuru is fighting Ruto and is dead set to have him out in the cold. I have always maintained Uhuru is serious in pursuing his mad schemes with RAO to him take PM position. Pundit have at times stated that Uhuru is playing RAO while other times he seem to take it seriously.

Anyhow, struggle to have full control of Jubilee Party has been ongoing. And now it's obviously in the open (if it wasn't). Technically it changes nothing. Split lines are as usual. It is just another rung in the battle to have Uhuru/RAO install themselves in power and kick out (or isolate) Ruto. The ground remain as before coronavirus. Nothing changed.

If there are any changes in dynamics they shall be clearer AFTER Corona.

We also should appreciate that in Kenya political parties are formed and disbanded or go into comatose as situation demands. Right now only ODM has been at least a force since 2007/08 while others have withered. With Ruto/Uhuru political split, Jubilee will be very different at the end of it all.

Quote from: Robina on April 11, 2020, 06:33:30 PM

Where are Garliv and Pundit? I been telling them Ruto nyokonyoko will get him nowhere. He can run to party tribunal and then high court - all tough luck - or brave corvid and hold demos in Eldoret. Meantime his fake consults with Uhuru are laughing stock.

Even the blonde Plato correctly predicted this story.

Angry Ruto protests 'illegal' Jubilee coup

https://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-protests-illegal-Jubilee-coup/3126390-5520684-gffkdx/index.html

GeeMail · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2020, 01:20:24 PM »

Problem is that Corona is not going away any time soon. So is Pundit still seeing the way UK is playing Rao with this thing?

vooke · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2020, 03:39:29 PM »

I bought a Covid-19 gave Ruto reprieve

Garliv · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2020, 04:02:14 PM »

Corona may be around for awhile but soon or later people have to get back to "normal life..." If you have relatives/friends/workers/neighbours/acquaintances You'd notice that they have been sending appeals for help and the frequency is gaining urgency. And even yourself would be running out of funds to sustain staying indoors further. Facts of life such as hunger and lack of income will force reopening of normal life.

That aside, for politics, I think Uhuru/RAO are utilizing this three-quarter lockdown to tie loose ends. After all they have the machinery and DP Ruto is clearly the outsider. Therefore for now it is difficult to challenge such decision in courts or tribunal. After all, kuna "social distancing" and restricted travels. Politically politicians aligned with Ruto Team can only issue statements from their homes and ALONE. Any meeting of more than 10 people is problematic.

Yes, Uhuru group is executing a coup in Jubilee. Irregularly to say the least.

Quote from: GeeMail on April 12, 2020, 01:20:24 PM

Problem is that Corona is not going away any time soon. So is Pundit still seeing the way UK is playing Rao with this thing?

Njuri Ncheke · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2020, 04:31:01 PM »

The main question is how Uhuru benefits from control of Jubilee because simply if Ruto was to use another party simply all his supporters will go with him just like baba if today he dumped ODM and went to another party all supporters would decamp with him. Parties in Kenya are useless as they lack permanent ideology and are just temporary channels for power. KIbaki was elected by narc second term pnu and so far so forth. I dont see any big deal ruto just needs to stay focused and calm and calculating at the same time. In mt.kenya he commands about 75-80% of voters.

KenyanPlato · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2020, 07:03:48 PM »

Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on April 12, 2020, 04:31:01 PM

The main question is how Uhuru benefits from control of Jubilee because simply if Ruto was to use another party simply all his supporters will go with him just like baba if today he dumped ODM and went to another party all supporters would decamp with him. Parties in Kenya are useless as they lack permanent ideology and are just temporary channels for power. KIbaki was elected by narc second term pnu and so far so forth. I dont see any big deal ruto just needs to stay focused and calm and calculating at the same time. In mt.kenya he commands about 75-80% of voters.

Ruto needs an intact GEMA voting block to be with him to win. Raila just needs a 12% of GEMA to be with him to win.

Ruto must have a foothold in Central using a party with grassroots connections. 70% of MPS wont get reelected but the 30% that remains will the ones that will deny ruto a chance to be elected

I not even sure if Ruto will continue fighting the state anymore. He will may as well fold and wait for 2027

Njuri Ncheke · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2020, 09:39:10 PM »

Its would be foolhardy for Ruto to throw in the towel now precisely this is what the BBI Team wants. It would be cheap, Ruto has to stay put in government till election time 2022 no matter what because this way he will be like a monkey on the elites back they cant shake him off. He has gained lots of support even in coastal/ukambani areas this persecution of ruto has only gained him sympathizers, before Atwoli can finish a coherent sentence( Ruto gains more followers. Dont under estimate the power of playing or appearing to be a victim. The 20- 25% that he might lack in mt. Kenya will be compensated elsewhere easily and mark you Even with Uhurus backing Baba will max out at most 20% kwa mlima. Without him backing baba will fizzle at usual 2%

Garliv · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2020, 10:41:29 PM »

100% in agreement. Ruto should hang on and knows which battle to fight and which ones to ignore. He should ignore taking over of Jubilee; and strategise accordingly.

It must be getting into Uhuru nerves that somehow Mt. Kenya is still adamantly Pro-Ruto. He and his group don't seem to understand why that is so.

Quote from: Njuri Ncheke on April 12, 2020, 09:39:10 PM

Its would be foolhardy for Ruto to throw in the towel now precisely this is what the BBI Team wants. It would be cheap, Ruto has to stay put in government till election time 2022 no matter what because this way he will be like a monkey on the elites back they cant shake him off. He has gained lots of support even in coastal/ukambani areas this persecution of ruto has only gained him sympathizers, before Atwoli can finish a coherent sentence( Ruto gains more followers. Dont under estimate the power of playing or appearing to be a victim. The 20- 25% that he might lack in mt. Kenya will be compensated elsewhere easily and mark you Even with Uhurus backing Baba will max out at most 20% kwa mlima. Without him backing baba will fizzle at usual 2%

GeeMail · « **Reply #15 on:** April 12, 2020, 11:49:12 PM »

If Ruto was planning to decamp, he would have done so long ago. Right now, he has very few options because crossing back to his old party will disorganize his Mt Kenya MPs. It's possible that crossing over will expose the idea of his numbers being all that.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2020, 07:58:00 AM »

Quote from: GeeMail on April 12, 2020, 11:49:12 PM

If Ruto was planning to decamp, he would have done so long ago. Right now, he has very few options because crossing back to his old party will disorganize his Mt Kenya MPs. It's possible that crossing over will expose the idea of his numbers being all that.

This is the heart of the matter. For that same reason Raila maintains a stranglehold on ODM: the Luo would migrate with him but how about the Luhya and the Mijikenda? Diverse parties - with extra-tribal blocks - are tough to maintain. Jubilee is a COALITION - same as NARC or the 2007-8 ODM. Any attempt to ship off to a new party - is tempting fate - and it fizzles into URP.

Corona is a wild card. Feeble minded Wanjiku sees too much of Mutahi Kagwe and that is risky - or a boon - depending on one's persuasion.

gout · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2020, 04:20:53 PM »

Uhuru hangers on are just stupid and reckless. With corona hurricane that will ruin the economy, their personal fortunes, they are still angling for fights with Ruto. Super idiots will be lucky to come out of the economical effects of corona leave alone political tsunami they are courting.

kwesta · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2020, 03:12:15 PM »

Pundit lost his dad a few days ago. Pray for him and cut him some slack.

Nefertiti · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2020, 03:47:30 PM »

Quote from: kwesta on April 14, 2020, 03:12:15 PM

Pundit lost his dad a few days ago. Pray for him and cut him some slack.

Godspeed. am sure he will be back with a bang like Tuju.

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Author Topic: Pundit, coup in Jubilee Party (Read 4845 times)