COVID is a world BBI

[RV Kirgit]

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Any country member of the free world who'll try to embrace china dictatorship wil be beaten to submission.

Iran, Italy (Europe belt and road), Markel (Nord stream pipeline) etc

[Dear Mami]

I bought that conspiracy theory for a second when China, Iran, and Italy were worst hit. Now, looking at the Covid situation in the U.S., Germany, Spain, and France, there's no way in hell, man. It was most likely an accident or natural but not a bioweapon that was deliberately released to punish Chinese buddies.

[Nefertiti]

I agree... to Ruto COVID and BBI are synonymous guillotines

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I profess ignorance when I don't know.  I think we all should when we don't know.  It's healthy.

Still, I am a bit intrigued at all the high profile people that seem to be catching it in the US.  It seems obvious that they have privileged access to tests that are still unbelievably hard to come by in these United States. 

I am now convinced the virus is already widespread in the general US population having been bought time by Trumpist denialism.  The testing here is practically non-existent.  But when the tests are performed, it seems a lot are coming out positive.  Even the rapist Harvey Weinstein got a test from prison and has it.  Why aren't we seeing more deaths in the US?

[Garliv]

Maybe US has attained some degree of "herd immunity?" Or is it because majority of health persons can have the virus but not get sick or just have mild flu symptoms which resolve themselves?  Besides testing has become the latest war cry. It's as if once tested positive then death must follow or at least hospitalization. It as if doom and gloom must follow. That is why each hour/day figures are released and all what they does is spread panic and hysteria. They don't explain much.

There is something insane about this Coronavirus thing.

I profess ignorance when I don't know.  I think we all should when we don't know.  It's healthy.

Still, I am a bit intrigued at all the high profile people that seem to be catching it in the US.  It seems obvious that they have privileged access to tests that are still unbelievably hard to come by in these United States. 

I am now convinced the virus is already widespread in the general US population having been bought time by Trumpist denialism.  The testing here is practically non-existent.  But when the tests are performed, it seems a lot are coming out positive.  Even the rapist Harvey Weinstein got a test from prison and has it.  Why aren't we seeing more deaths in the US?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Maybe US has attained some degree of "herd immunity?" Or is it because majority of health persons can have the virus but not get sick or just have mild flu symptoms which resolve themselves?  Besides testing has become the latest war cry. It's as if once tested positive then death must follow or at least hospitalization. It as if doom and gloom must follow. That is why each hour/day figures are released and all what they does is spread panic and hysteria. They don't explain much.

There is something insane about this Coronavirus thing.

I profess ignorance when I don't know.  I think we all should when we don't know.  It's healthy.

Still, I am a bit intrigued at all the high profile people that seem to be catching it in the US.  It seems obvious that they have privileged access to tests that are still unbelievably hard to come by in these United States. 

I am now convinced the virus is already widespread in the general US population having been bought time by Trumpist denialism.  The testing here is practically non-existent.  But when the tests are performed, it seems a lot are coming out positive.  Even the rapist Harvey Weinstein got a test from prison and has it.  Why aren't we seeing more deaths in the US?

Or they are dying but being counted under other causes eg the flu.  Because no testing.  As testing increases, we may see more deaths of covid-19.  And subsequently more scenes of dystopian panic.

That raises the question whether morbidity is higher than usual.  Does covid-19 merely supplant other causes or does it add to them?

[GeeMail]

Covid and Flu give the comparison of Wanjiku in shaggs but Shiko the slay queen in Kilimani.

[Garliv]

Good question. All the data i have seen about Italy deaths is that everyone had other illness/ailment. And it makes sense since its like 99% dead are old. Therefore it is safe to say that Covid ADD to other causes.

Second, If Americans are dying and not being identified as Covid-19 then in genral US would register more deaths than usual (within that time span). But is that the case? I don't think so.

Third, It has also been noted that these testings are not uniform. I think German test just like anyone with Flu; which would indicate Corona virus but not necessary Covid-19 type. Indeed testing of corona virus would lead to over 30% of population being positive simply because "normal" cold is also caused by corona virus.

Fourth, and this where testing testing is overrated, MAJORITY may have it but not sick. Even celebs are announcing their positive but they are not sick, in the sense of having symptoms and heading to hospitals. Being tested positive is not a death sentence; it doesn't mean one is heading to the hospital. But the hype has made those tested positive believe they are about to die.   

Or they are dying but being counted under other causes eg the flu.  Because no testing.  As testing increases, we may see more deaths of covid-19.  And subsequently more scenes of dystopian panic.

That raises the question whether morbidity is higher than usual.  Does covid-19 merely supplant other causes or does it add to them?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Good question. All the data i have seen about Italy deaths is that everyone had other illness/ailment. And it makes sense since its like 99% dead are old. Therefore it is safe to say that Covid ADD to other causes.

Second, If Americans are dying and not being identified as Covid-19 then in genral US would register more deaths than usual (within that time span). But is that the case? I don't think so.

Third, It has also been noted that these testings are not uniform. I think German test just like anyone with Flu; which would indicate Corona virus but not necessary Covid-19 type. Indeed testing of corona virus would lead to over 30% of population being positive simply because "normal" cold is also caused by corona virus.

Fourth, and this where testing testing is overrated, MAJORITY may have it but not sick. Even celebs are announcing their positive but they are not sick, in the sense of having symptoms and heading to hospitals. Being tested positive is not a death sentence; it doesn't mean one is heading to the hospital. But the hype has made those tested positive believe they are about to die.   

Or they are dying but being counted under other causes eg the flu.  Because no testing.  As testing increases, we may see more deaths of covid-19.  And subsequently more scenes of dystopian panic.

That raises the question whether morbidity is higher than usual.  Does covid-19 merely supplant other causes or does it add to them?

Panic is a very powerful incentive.  It's part of our survival toolkit.  The problem is it is hostile to cold analysis of facts.  People can change behavior because some numbers have been put out there.  ERs become overwhelmed, PPEs run out, and yes, even real life threatening sicknesses that do not fit a certain mold can suddenly take a back seat.  This requires a delicate balance between keeping the population safe and avoiding panic.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Testing is still hard to come by in the US.  In many cases it has to come through a recommendation from your doctor.  In other words, there is still no meaningful attempt here to track the spread of covid-19 through wide-spread random testing.  On that basis alone, and with the current numbers, it seems reasonable to conclude the US is already the epicenter(and probably has been that way for a good while).  It's almost as if they are refusing to know in order to avoid that distinction. https://www.bing.com/covid

Then there is the reporting. The reports are of a "spreading" pandemic.  Why is this a big deal?  You can't know if/how something is spreading if you don't carry out enough random tests.  Otherwise you conflate spreading positive tests for a spreading virus.  If I test 5 people with 1 positive one day and 20 people with 3 positives the next day, I get more results of infected people.  Yet, it can also mean the infections are under control.  But the media is just putting out whatever numbers it gets as "new infections" rather than new confirmed tests.  Very confusing if you are pedantic about numbers.

For a second there, I am almost agreeing with Trump(very scary) on a declaration of victory and reopening the country.

[Garliv]

Now we are in agreement. The media and word out there does not make DIFFERENCE between being positive and being sick and being hospitalized because of Coronavirus. The hype is that "you positive, therefore the virus and sickness and deaths are spreading in equal measure.."

If Americans aren't testing unless its called for, then I would support such an approach.  Why go round the country testing anyone and everyone? Of course 'positives' will increase the more tests are conducted but that doesn't say very much. Like are they sick? What age? Do they have other conditions? Any symptoms? Do they require hospitalization?

Eventually the only way out is Trump way: you cannot have a cure which is worse. Especially when hard cold facts/analysis does not support current distorted of facts. The Brits had suggested "herd immunity" concept where the government would isolate the most vulnerable especially the elderly and then let life goes on. Some would then get sick to the point of being hospitalized but they would be not as many. As a result the population would attain "herd immunity" and issue resolves. But the hysterical media/leftists/globalists went bonkers and BoJo had to tow the line. In the next 2 weeks countries will realize the obvious; STOP PANICKING!

Testing is still hard to come by in the US.  In many cases it has to come through a recommendation from your doctor.  In other words, there is still no meaningful attempt here to track the spread of covid-19 through wide-spread random testing.  On that basis alone, and with the current numbers, it seems reasonable to conclude the US is already the epicenter(and probably has been that way for a good while).  It's almost as if they are refusing to know in order to avoid that distinction. https://www.bing.com/covid

Then there is the reporting. The reports are of a "spreading" pandemic.  Why is this a big deal?  You can't know if/how something is spreading if you don't carry out enough random tests. Otherwise you conflate spreading positive tests for a spreading virus.  If I test 5 people with 1 positive one day and 20 people with 3 positives the next day, I get more results of infected people.  Yet, it can also mean the infections are under control.  But the media is just putting out whatever numbers it gets as "new infections" rather than new confirmed tests.  Very confusing if you are pedantic about numbers.

For a second there, I am almost agreeing with Trump(very scary) on a declaration of victory and reopening the country.

[Garliv]

BTW, Uhunye announced one Kenyan has been cured. Unless i missed it  No one so far has details on whether cured means lack of symptoms or they turned negative.
And what medication/therapy was used? And can it be used again and again?

[RV Pundit]

Flu including Corona (most virus really) has no cure. What they treat are the symptoms. When symptoms go away - you're as good as cured or recovered. The next time you get Corona - it will be less lethal - because of your immunity memory cells - will now recall they had seen the intruding virus before and will attack it immediately - and because virus is also replicating - it becomes weaker or stronger over time.

Virus basically are some weird organism - that cannot survive on their own - they attach themselves on host cells - and it only job in the world is to reproduce or replicate like crazy. A new virus or bacteria or etc - will take time before body immunity realizes it. Once the fever starts - then your immunity is aware of it's presence and has began a fight back.

Our immunity (nature) remains the best and only hope against most viruses. The bacteria, fungis, protozoa and other microbes we have medicines for those.

Our immunity not only attack the virus - but also keep them in memory of bad guys - to be attacked next time. Corona and new virus are dangerous because the immunity has no memory of it - so they sneak all the way to lungs - or bone marrow - before the body realizes they are up to no good.

BTW, Uhunye announced one Kenyan has been cured. Unless i missed it  No one so far has details on whether cured means lack of symptoms or they turned negative.
And what medication/therapy was used? And can it be used again and again?

[Garliv]

Very true. As for "cure" I was using President word and also Kagwe CS had initially said the infected will be quarantined until they turn negative or see whether they will turn negative.
 And that's why eventually it's the "herd immunity" that will control this new version of corona. For the question remains, what happens after total lockdown suppress (IF) this new coronavirus and then the population is back to intermingling? The world is waiting to see what happens when China's epicentre of Wuhan fully opens for business. Will they have a new round of outbreaks? Then what, lockdown again? Or what happens when the virus then erupt once more sometimes in the future?

Flu including Corona (most virus really) has no cure. What they treat are the symptoms. When symptoms go away - you're as good as cured or recovered. The next time you get Corona - it will be less lethal - because of your immunity memory cells - will now recall they had seen the intruding virus before and will attack it immediately - and because virus is also replicating - it becomes weaker or stronger over time.

Virus basically are some weird organism - that cannot survive on their own - they attach themselves on host cells - and it only job in the world is to reproduce or replicate like crazy. A new virus or bacteria or etc - will take time before body immunity realizes it. Once the fever starts - then your immunity is aware of it's presence and has began a fight back.

Our immunity (nature) remains the best and only hope against most viruses. The bacteria, fungis, protozoa and other microbes we have medicines for those.

Our immunity not only attack the virus - but also keep them in memory of bad guys - to be attacked next time. Corona and new virus are dangerous because the immunity has no memory of it - so they sneak all the way to lungs - or bone marrow - before the body realizes they are up to no good.

BTW, Uhunye announced one Kenyan has been cured. Unless i missed it  No one so far has details on whether cured means lack of symptoms or they turned negative.
And what medication/therapy was used? And can it be used again and again?

[RV Pundit]

Yes unless a vaccine come out it's probably best to isolate the risky and let everyone else get Corona

[Garliv]

"There is no heroism in all this. It's just a matter of honesty. The only way to fight the plague is honesty." CAMUS

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

A Swiss doctor who breakdown and explain infected and dead figures without panic or need to spread fear. Pure cold hard analysis of what all those Italian, Chinese figures on Coronavirus are all about.

[Garliv]

I also find it curious that despite all media stories and lockdown on how lethal Coronavirus is, there seem to be minimal interests on getting cure or therapies/treatments that reduce viral loads and or eliminate symptoms. Those aren't considered priority. Very curious stand when the virus is said to be spreading like nothing else before. Claims that certain drugs may be effective treatment are rubbished without research or just ignored. In Kenya the President announce one patient has recovered but no one seem to bother and get details and whether whatever therapy they applied can be replicated across the board. But media and whole choir of so called leaders preach lockdown and stay at home. Very curious.

Vaccines are great. But reality is that it may take years to develop, test and deploy such vaccine. But Intriguingly THAT SEEMS TO BE THE PRIORITY: get vaccine FIRST. Again if claims of Coronavirus virulent spread are believed then we will all be dead by the time vaccine is availed. We would be dead either because of Coronavirus itself or hunger due to lockdown. Then what of those already infected/sick?

Maybe it's just me who is conspiratorial or just not very bright, but i cannot fathom why humanity would react in such manner when faced with a disease "pandemic..."

Yes unless a vaccine come out it's probably best to isolate the risky and let everyone else get Corona

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I think the real problem is not that everyone would get it, but rather when they get it.  That is how I understand the calls to flatten the curve.  The point is to slow the spread, not to stop it(we are past that point).  It's more of a logistical worry than concern about ultimately spreading the infection throughout the population.

If Elmhurst Hospital has 5 ventilators, then it matters a big deal if they get 50 people at once all of whom need access to a ventilator.  But if those 50 are spread over a few months, it is a different ball game.  You generally don't want too many people falling sick at the same time.  It strains resources, and can affect other sick people not necessarily having covid-19.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Now we are in agreement. The media and word out there does not make DIFFERENCE between being positive and being sick and being hospitalized because of Coronavirus. The hype is that "you positive, therefore the virus and sickness and deaths are spreading in equal measure.."

If Americans aren't testing unless its called for, then I would support such an approach.  Why go round the country testing anyone and everyone? Of course 'positives' will increase the more tests are conducted but that doesn't say very much. Like are they sick? What age? Do they have other conditions? Any symptoms? Do they require hospitalization?

Eventually the only way out is Trump way: you cannot have a cure which is worse. Especially when hard cold facts/analysis does not support current distorted of facts. The Brits had suggested "herd immunity" concept where the government would isolate the most vulnerable especially the elderly and then let life goes on. Some would then get sick to the point of being hospitalized but they would be not as many. As a result the population would attain "herd immunity" and issue resolves. But the hysterical media/leftists/globalists went bonkers and BoJo had to tow the line. In the next 2 weeks countries will realize the obvious; STOP PANICKING!

Testing is still hard to come by in the US.  In many cases it has to come through a recommendation from your doctor.  In other words, there is still no meaningful attempt here to track the spread of covid-19 through wide-spread random testing.  On that basis alone, and with the current numbers, it seems reasonable to conclude the US is already the epicenter(and probably has been that way for a good while).  It's almost as if they are refusing to know in order to avoid that distinction. https://www.bing.com/covid

Then there is the reporting. The reports are of a "spreading" pandemic.  Why is this a big deal?  You can't know if/how something is spreading if you don't carry out enough random tests. Otherwise you conflate spreading positive tests for a spreading virus.  If I test 5 people with 1 positive one day and 20 people with 3 positives the next day, I get more results of infected people.  Yet, it can also mean the infections are under control.  But the media is just putting out whatever numbers it gets as "new infections" rather than new confirmed tests.  Very confusing if you are pedantic about numbers.

For a second there, I am almost agreeing with Trump(very scary) on a declaration of victory and reopening the country.

You won't believe this, but it is still almost impossible to get a test in the US.  Even people with symptoms are not getting them, until it becomes unbearable.  I don't understand what the big deal is.  But I suspect it has great deal to with America's convoluted health insurance system.  It could just be down to who is gonna pay for it.

Either way, it means that the only people getting tested - apart from the famous and well connected - are sick people and often seriously so.  The result is you are to get misleading(or unhelpful) figures about things like mortality rate for those with covid-19.

[RV Pundit]

The Swiss were transparent. They don't test unless you're in the risky group. You call about fever etc - and they ask your questions - and tell you to sit or sleep it. It rational way - to stop health care system from collapsing. There are so many ICUS and respirators.

Forget about insurance and money now - ICUs are just not enough - even if you have billion dollars. Maybe the rich need to build their ICUs and buy respirators.

In Nairobi - with my dad cancer I saw it all - the best hospitals have like 10 ICUs and 10 HDUs - Nairobi Hospital, AghaKhan, MP-Shah- the rest have 1 or 2 - or none - many have 1 or 2 theatres - and just a general observatory ward.

You won't believe this, but it is still almost impossible to get a test in the US.  Even people with symptoms are not getting them, until it becomes unbearable.  I don't understand what the big deal is.  But I suspect it has great deal to with America's convoluted health insurance system.  It could just be down to who is gonna pay for it.

Either way, it means that the only people getting tested - apart from the famous and well connected - are sick people and often seriously so.  The result is you are to get misleading(or unhelpful) figures about things like mortality rate for those with covid-19.