Robina telsa won't be worthy jack by end of this melt

[KenyanPlato]

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$100 dollars down. It is exploding like a dead whale on the beach

[RV Pundit]

History has a way of repeating itself - you gotta pity naive folks like Robina - Likes of Warren Buffet invest in booring businesses for a reason. Easy come. Easy go. Every generation only a few business survive and those few become bigger than previous ones. Now invest in sure bet - big 5 tech - microsoft, apple, amazon, facebook and google (alphabet) and throw in Alibaba - the rest are risky.

[Kadudu]

Tesla is way ahead of its competitors when it comes to technolgy. It is an investment in the future and not the past. My take is, Tesla will survive the turbulances because of the knowhow it has. Electric cars will make a breakthrough and push the conventianal models slowly out of the market.
Btw, in Norway more than 57% of new car registrations are electric cars.

[RV Pundit]

But usual car manufacturers will just change their production lines to electric - what will Telsea give you that electric Mercedes Benz won't - except headache.

Tesla is way ahead of its competitors when it comes to technolgy. It is an investment in the future and not the past. My take is, Tesla will survive the turbulances because of the knowhow it has. Electric cars will make a breakthrough and push the conventianal models slowly out of the market.
Btw, in Norway more than 57% of new car registrations are electric cars.

[Nefertiti]

The market is crushing due to coronavirus. When it contained things will be back to normal. Tesla has been soaring super-high alone - there is no bubble to burst. Free advice: if Tesla and Bitcoin go down BUY BIG. Otherwise I buy stock for longterm not speculating.

Plato and Pundit don't have the brains to invest stock. The winners walinunua kitambo before they were big. So the fool wants to buy Appple at 1200usd peak. Stick to MOAS.

[Kadudu]

Pundit, I assure you driving cars in 20 years time will be totally different than what you see today. Tesla has invested in autonomous driving more than any other car manufacturer. The updates run automatically through internet unlike the other cars that first have to go to the garage.
Here a small read for you:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Tesla-teardown-finds-electronics-6-years-ahead-of-Toyota-and-VW2

But usual car manufacturers will just change their production lines to electric - what will Telsea give you that electric Mercedes Benz won't - except headache.

[RV Pundit]

It like start-up business...for every winner...there are 10,000 failures. I cannot risk my investment like that. I am just from bank - buying a house. I can risk my time and equity to start a business - but I'd like to think long term...not to be worried what a crazy Jeff bezo will do. Apple now is a stable business...those are kind of investment you can do..although I don't do equity myself. I rather buy Land in Mau and plant eucalyptus like I normally do. Total cost is around 20 - and after 10 yrs - I can sell it min at 1000. Those are my stocks.

I cannot play casinos with sijui CORONOA virus blah blah.

The market is crushing due to coronavirus. When it contained things will be back to normal. Tesla has been soaring super-high alone - there is no bubble to burst. Free advice: if Tesla and Bitcoin go down BUY BIG. Otherwise I buy stock for longterm not speculating.

Plato and Pundit don't have the brains to invest stock. The winners walinunua kitambo before they were big. So the fool wants to buy Appple at 1200usd peak. Stick to MOAS.

[RV Pundit]

What make you thing Merceds will not do that. Cars have been existences for century. There is more to owning a car I tell you - otherwise everyone can make one.

Pundit, I assure you driving cars in 20 years time will be totally different than what you see today. Tesla has invested in autonomous driving more than any other car manufacturer. The updates run automatically through internet unlike the other cars that first have to go to the garage.
Here a small read for you:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Tesla-teardown-finds-electronics-6-years-ahead-of-Toyota-and-VW2

But usual car manufacturers will just change their production lines to electric - what will Telsea give you that electric Mercedes Benz won't - except headache.

[Nefertiti]

Tesla brand start and end with Elon Musk. He is the creative genius investors have pegged hopes on. Tesla speed of innovation is faster than the entire auto industry. For instance their battery tech noone else has hacked. Their self-driving Autopilot is projected to accelerate ahead of Uber, Waymo, etc by a million miles... because they use computer vision while all the rest use LiDAR. Which although it did not seem so earlier gets to make all the difference. Now you may wonder why big tech Google did not see that coming but that kind of foresight is the reason Tesla is soaring. Now at 50% of EV market - which will thin out as gas goes EV... but Tesla strong brand will manage to retain a 15% overall share. All those investors making it soar are not stupid.

SpaceX of course has reusable rockets that Boeing, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic and the shebang have been unable to copy for 6 freaking years now. Musk is an innovation super-star.

[Kadudu]

Pundit, that is the reason Kenya will still be talking about Mpesa in 2050 as the biggest enovation that has ever come from Kenya.

It like start-up business...for every winner...there are 10,000 failures. I cannot risk my investment like that. I am just from bank - buying a house. I can risk my time and equity to start a business - but I'd like to think long term...not to be worried what a crazy Jeff bezo will do. Apple now is a stable business...those are kind of investment you can do..although I don't do equity myself. I rather buy Land in Mau and plant eucalyptus like I normally do. Total cost is around 20 - and after 10 yrs - I can sell it min at 1000. Those are my stocks.

I cannot play casinos with sijui CORONOA virus blah blah.

[Nefertiti]

  Pundit is a genius whose biggest invention is MOAS - tribe and clan piecharts. He makes quick money off tech business to buy "real assets" - land and real estate. Na mnasema namwonea.

Pundit, that is the reason Kenya will still be talking about Mpesa in 2050 as the biggest enovation that has ever come from Kenya.

It like start-up business...for every winner...there are 10,000 failures. I cannot risk my investment like that. I am just from bank - buying a house. I can risk my time and equity to start a business - but I'd like to think long term...not to be worried what a crazy Jeff bezo will do. Apple now is a stable business...those are kind of investment you can do..although I don't do equity myself. I rather buy Land in Mau and plant eucalyptus like I normally do. Total cost is around 20 - and after 10 yrs - I can sell it min at 1000. Those are my stocks.

I cannot play casinos with sijui CORONOA virus blah blah.

[RV Kirgit]

Tesla is a vaporware company! Whose main innovation is PR.

Big self driving innovation will be plugins from software companies like google.

Even Russian Yandex is ahead of Tesla self driving hype!

VS

[Georgesoros]

Tesla is a vaporware company! Whose main innovation is PR.

Big self driving innovation will be plugins from software companies like google.

Even Russian Yandex is ahead of Tesla self driving hype!

VS

Kirgit
We are focused on the whole of Tesla, not just driverless. Batteries, space travel etc. Robina has the minute details.

[Kadudu]

Pundit, a read for you on Tesla

Tesla’s Success in Europe Catches Industry Off Guard

The Model 3 outsold some of the most popular luxury models in recent months. BMW, Mercedes and Audi risk missing the transition to electric cars.
•  March 4, 2020

FRANKFURT — Until recently European auto executives regarded Tesla with something like bemusement. The electric car upstart from California was burning cash, struggling with production problems, and hedge funds were betting it would fail.

The car executives are not laughing anymore. Almost overnight, the Tesla Model 3 has become one of the best-selling cars in Europe. In December, only the Volkswagen Golf and Renault Clio sold more, according to data compiled by JATO Dynamics, a market research firm.

The success of the Model 3, only months after it went on sale in Europe, has come as a shock to industry executives who only months ago were ready to write Tesla off. The company was building cars in a tent, for goodness’ sake.

Tesla’s surge, assuming it proves sustainable, raises questions about whether traditional carmakers like Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz are in danger of missing a striking shift in automotive technology. Despite plenty of warning, they are only beginning to introduce competing electric vehicles.

Electric vehicle manufacturers “are in a much more mature place than two years ago or even last year,” said Axel Schmidt, a senior managing director at the consulting firm Accenture who focuses on the auto industry. “Today they are real players on the market.”

Traditional carmakers, on the other hand, are in tough shape. The coronavirus has battered sales in China and forced cancellation of the Geneva International Motor Show, probably the premier showcase for the European auto industry. Last year the event, which was scheduled to be open to the public from March 5 to March 15, attracted 600,000 visitors.
The Model 3 was runner-up in the contest for European Car of the Year, which was still presented in Geneva. The Model 3 finished behind the Peugeot 208, a sporty compact, in the voting by a jury of auto journalists. But Tesla beat models by Porsche, Renault, Ford, Toyota and BMW.

At first blush it seems absurd that traditional carmakers would have anything to fear from Tesla. The company sold fewer than 100,000 cars in Europe in 2019. Volkswagen, which is the world’s largest carmaker, sold 4.6 million in the region. Companies like Daimler have been reliably producing vehicles for more than a century.

It’s by no means certain that Tesla will be able to keep up the momentum. The company’s shares have been hammered as part of the widespread sell-off caused by the spread of the coronavirus. Tesla has also come under fire in the United States after its Autopilot self-driving software was seen as contributing to two fatal crashes.

But European managers remember what happened to Nokia, once one of Europe’s most admired companies. In the early 2000s, the Finnish company dominated the global market for mobile handsets. Then, in 2007, Apple introduced the first iPhone. Today the iPhone is ubiquitous, and phones with the Nokia brand account for about 1 percent of global handset sales.

Tesla is a long way from iPhone-style domination. Because of its limited selection of models, Tesla remains a small player over all. It was in 21st place in Europe in December among all carmakers. Still, it sold 24,000 vehicles during the month, one-third as many as BMW or Mercedes, even though they offer dozens of models.

The German luxury giants, perhaps reluctant to compete with their own most profitable products, waited too long to offer a battery-powered midsize car comparable to the Model 3, analysts said. That has allowed the Model 3 to sneak up on midsize luxury stalwarts like the BMW 3 Series, Audi A5 or Mercedes-Benz C-Class, all of which are in the same general price range.

Many of the electric cars offered by the established companies are basically conversions of conventional cars, such as the Audi e-tron or Mercedes EQC. They do not take full advantage of the opportunity that electrification offers to rethink automotive design.

“They are not really game changers,” Felipe Munoz, an analyst at JATO Dynamics, said of the electric cars offered by traditional carmakers. They “lost some time and that’s why Tesla is doing so well.”
There are exceptions, like the Porsche Taycan, a battery-powered four-door sedan that the Volkswagen subsidiary designed from the ground up to be electric.

The Taycan has gotten rave reviews since it went on sale late last year, including from Bill Gates. But with a starting price of 106,000 euros in Germany, or $115,000, the Taycan is not exactly aimed at the masses.

It was not as if the traditional carmakers had missed seeing the threat coming. BMW began producing the battery-powered i3 in 2013. But, while technically innovative, with a carbon-fiber body, the i3 is essentially a very expensive hatchback.

With a starting price in Germany of 39,000 euros including tax, the i3 costs almost as much as the roomier Model 3, which starts at 45,000 euros. The i3 does not go as far on a charge and does not offer software as sophisticated as Tesla’s Autopilot self-driving software.

One of the automotive establishment’s best chances to thwart the Model 3 will come later this year when Volkswagen begins selling the battery-powered ID.3. Volkswagen bills the ID. 3, which will start at around 30,000 euros, as the car that will put electro-mobility within reach of middle-class buyers.

But Volkswagen has been struggling to perfect the software in the ID.3 That is not an auspicious sign.

One of the Model 3’s big selling points is its autonomous driving software, which can be updated on the fly. The software, and a huge digital display on the dashboard, seems to be more important to buyers than the Model 3’s workmanship. Reviewers have found the body fits and other markers of quality to be inferior to the German makes.

The competition from Tesla is poised to get more intense. In November, Elon Musk, Tesla chief executive, announced plans to build a factory near Berlin that, beginning next year, will produce the Model 3 as well as the Model Y, an electric S.U.V.

The Model Y, with a starting price of $39,000, positions Tesla to steal a share of the S.U.V. market, one of the few segments in Europe that is still growing.

Analysts see Tesla’s decision to build a factory outside Berlin as a deliberate attempt to get in the faces of the German carmakers. The company will be in a position to poach German engineers and manufacturing experts, while confronting the German carmakers on their home turf.

The choice of Berlin also puts Tesla close to Germany’s scrappy start-up capital. Audi, Mercedes and BMW are all in southern Germany, a region that is prosperous but stodgy.
The Tesla factory has run into opposition from some Germans upset that the factory will displace a forest. But the company has fended off court challenges and has the strong support of local political leaders. Tesla has already cleared trees from the site.

In Europe, as well as the United States and Asia, Tesla has installed charging stations, rather than waiting for governments to do so, to give customers confidence they will be able find a place to plug in. Customers can order Teslas online and from storefront dealers in cities like Paris and Frankfurt.

Tesla could not beat the traditional carmakers by being like them, Mr. Munoz of JATO said. “It’s not only about the car itself. It’s also the way they are selling these cars,” he said. “They want to change the way the industry has worked for 100 years.”

[Nefertiti]

You're playing guitar to a Mogotio goat

Pundit, a read for you on Tesla

Tesla’s Success in Europe Catches Industry Off Guard

The Model 3 outsold some of the most popular luxury models in recent months. BMW, Mercedes and Audi risk missing the transition to electric cars.
•  March 4, 2020

FRANKFURT — Until recently European auto executives regarded Tesla with something like bemusement. The electric car upstart from California was burning cash, struggling with production problems, and hedge funds were betting it would fail.

The car executives are not laughing anymore. Almost overnight, the Tesla Model 3 has become one of the best-selling cars in Europe. In December, only the Volkswagen Golf and Renault Clio sold more, according to data compiled by JATO Dynamics, a market research firm.

The success of the Model 3, only months after it went on sale in Europe, has come as a shock to industry executives who only months ago were ready to write Tesla off. The company was building cars in a tent, for goodness’ sake.

Tesla’s surge, assuming it proves sustainable, raises questions about whether traditional carmakers like Volkswagen and Mercedes-Benz are in danger of missing a striking shift in automotive technology. Despite plenty of warning, they are only beginning to introduce competing electric vehicles.

Electric vehicle manufacturers “are in a much more mature place than two years ago or even last year,” said Axel Schmidt, a senior managing director at the consulting firm Accenture who focuses on the auto industry. “Today they are real players on the market.”

Traditional carmakers, on the other hand, are in tough shape. The coronavirus has battered sales in China and forced cancellation of the Geneva International Motor Show, probably the premier showcase for the European auto industry. Last year the event, which was scheduled to be open to the public from March 5 to March 15, attracted 600,000 visitors.
The Model 3 was runner-up in the contest for European Car of the Year, which was still presented in Geneva. The Model 3 finished behind the Peugeot 208, a sporty compact, in the voting by a jury of auto journalists. But Tesla beat models by Porsche, Renault, Ford, Toyota and BMW.

At first blush it seems absurd that traditional carmakers would have anything to fear from Tesla. The company sold fewer than 100,000 cars in Europe in 2019. Volkswagen, which is the world’s largest carmaker, sold 4.6 million in the region. Companies like Daimler have been reliably producing vehicles for more than a century.

It’s by no means certain that Tesla will be able to keep up the momentum. The company’s shares have been hammered as part of the widespread sell-off caused by the spread of the coronavirus. Tesla has also come under fire in the United States after its Autopilot self-driving software was seen as contributing to two fatal crashes.

But European managers remember what happened to Nokia, once one of Europe’s most admired companies. In the early 2000s, the Finnish company dominated the global market for mobile handsets. Then, in 2007, Apple introduced the first iPhone. Today the iPhone is ubiquitous, and phones with the Nokia brand account for about 1 percent of global handset sales.

Tesla is a long way from iPhone-style domination. Because of its limited selection of models, Tesla remains a small player over all. It was in 21st place in Europe in December among all carmakers. Still, it sold 24,000 vehicles during the month, one-third as many as BMW or Mercedes, even though they offer dozens of models.

The German luxury giants, perhaps reluctant to compete with their own most profitable products, waited too long to offer a battery-powered midsize car comparable to the Model 3, analysts said. That has allowed the Model 3 to sneak up on midsize luxury stalwarts like the BMW 3 Series, Audi A5 or Mercedes-Benz C-Class, all of which are in the same general price range.

Many of the electric cars offered by the established companies are basically conversions of conventional cars, such as the Audi e-tron or Mercedes EQC. They do not take full advantage of the opportunity that electrification offers to rethink automotive design.

“They are not really game changers,” Felipe Munoz, an analyst at JATO Dynamics, said of the electric cars offered by traditional carmakers. They “lost some time and that’s why Tesla is doing so well.”
There are exceptions, like the Porsche Taycan, a battery-powered four-door sedan that the Volkswagen subsidiary designed from the ground up to be electric.

The Taycan has gotten rave reviews since it went on sale late last year, including from Bill Gates. But with a starting price of 106,000 euros in Germany, or $115,000, the Taycan is not exactly aimed at the masses.

It was not as if the traditional carmakers had missed seeing the threat coming. BMW began producing the battery-powered i3 in 2013. But, while technically innovative, with a carbon-fiber body, the i3 is essentially a very expensive hatchback.

With a starting price in Germany of 39,000 euros including tax, the i3 costs almost as much as the roomier Model 3, which starts at 45,000 euros. The i3 does not go as far on a charge and does not offer software as sophisticated as Tesla’s Autopilot self-driving software.

One of the automotive establishment’s best chances to thwart the Model 3 will come later this year when Volkswagen begins selling the battery-powered ID.3. Volkswagen bills the ID. 3, which will start at around 30,000 euros, as the car that will put electro-mobility within reach of middle-class buyers.

But Volkswagen has been struggling to perfect the software in the ID.3 That is not an auspicious sign.

One of the Model 3’s big selling points is its autonomous driving software, which can be updated on the fly. The software, and a huge digital display on the dashboard, seems to be more important to buyers than the Model 3’s workmanship. Reviewers have found the body fits and other markers of quality to be inferior to the German makes.

The competition from Tesla is poised to get more intense. In November, Elon Musk, Tesla chief executive, announced plans to build a factory near Berlin that, beginning next year, will produce the Model 3 as well as the Model Y, an electric S.U.V.

The Model Y, with a starting price of $39,000, positions Tesla to steal a share of the S.U.V. market, one of the few segments in Europe that is still growing.

Analysts see Tesla’s decision to build a factory outside Berlin as a deliberate attempt to get in the faces of the German carmakers. The company will be in a position to poach German engineers and manufacturing experts, while confronting the German carmakers on their home turf.

The choice of Berlin also puts Tesla close to Germany’s scrappy start-up capital. Audi, Mercedes and BMW are all in southern Germany, a region that is prosperous but stodgy.
The Tesla factory has run into opposition from some Germans upset that the factory will displace a forest. But the company has fended off court challenges and has the strong support of local political leaders. Tesla has already cleared trees from the site.

In Europe, as well as the United States and Asia, Tesla has installed charging stations, rather than waiting for governments to do so, to give customers confidence they will be able find a place to plug in. Customers can order Teslas online and from storefront dealers in cities like Paris and Frankfurt.

Tesla could not beat the traditional carmakers by being like them, Mr. Munoz of JATO said. “It’s not only about the car itself. It’s also the way they are selling these cars,” he said. “They want to change the way the industry has worked for 100 years.”

[RV Pundit]

Hahaha mogotio goat..I see you could be an old soul. Yes, Telsa and the likes - I leave lit to you. I cannot play Casino with my money. If it any investment - I got be involved. I can start my own tech something...or invest in real estate where I have control.

To trust the mercurial  Elon Musk with my future savings is a risk I cannot take. Yes for one winner you pick - you'll have 3 thuds - like BlackBerry

I invest in forests...trees. it hard to lose those. I don't have to check every few days or worried about them. I visit them trees twice per year.

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