Raila led '82 Coup Attempt Underrated by Media

[RV Pundit]

Kenyan coup plotter Joseph Ogidi Obuon deeply implicated former Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his father Jaramogi Oginga Odinga in the 1982 failed coup, according to police statements seen by the Saturday Nation 26 years after he was hanged for treason.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Confessions-of-a-soldier-hanged-for-rising-against-Moi/1064-1935408-d366uyz/index.html
Ogidi then told the police how Jaramogi enquired about how many recruits the plotters had and committed to funding them. He was assured that recruitment was going on in other bases besides Nanyuki. Odinga also recommended that they expand their recruitment to other Kenyan tribes and not solely rely on Luo servicemen.

This accounts mirrors the narrative in Raila’s biography: Raila Odinga: An Enigma in Kenyan Politics by Nigerian writer Babafemi Badejo. The book documents Jaramogi and Raila’s role in the coup attempt.

[RV Pundit]

Jaramogi Oginga Odinga was placed under house arrest. Raila Odinga was placed in detention after treason charges against him were dropped.

Jaramogi was detained for 14 months under house arrest in 1980s

[Garliv]

Noted. Subject to confirmation later date. I have had Raila biography for a while but for some reason haven't had energy or will to go through it. Soon.

Kenyan coup plotter Joseph Ogidi Obuon deeply implicated former Prime Minister Raila Odinga and his father Jaramogi Oginga Odinga in the 1982 failed coup, according to police statements seen by the Saturday Nation 26 years after he was hanged for treason.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Confessions-of-a-soldier-hanged-for-rising-against-Moi/1064-1935408-d366uyz/index.html
Ogidi then told the police how Jaramogi enquired about how many recruits the plotters had and committed to funding them. He was assured that recruitment was going on in other bases besides Nanyuki. Odinga also recommended that they expand their recruitment to other Kenyan tribes and not solely rely on Luo servicemen.

This accounts mirrors the narrative in Raila’s biography: Raila Odinga: An Enigma in Kenyan Politics by Nigerian writer Babafemi Badejo. The book documents Jaramogi and Raila’s role in the coup attempt.

[Kadudu]

Personally I did not consider a coup against a dictatorial regime like Moi's to be a crime.

[Garliv]

A coup is not a crime id if you succeed. But Raila and Company failed and therefore face firing squad or hangman.
Seriously, in 82 Coup was not justified. A lot of people died for nothing. Suffered for nothing. And changed country's direction for worse. It was nothing but naked grab for power.
Nothing to celebrate. Or applaud.

Personally I did not consider a coup against a dictatorial regime like Moi's to be a crime.

[Kichwa]

The coup failed and the country moved on. It is not the worst thing that ever happened to Kenya.  Move on, there are bigger fish to fry.

A coup is not a crime id if you succeed. But Raila and Company failed and therefore face firing squad or hangman.
Seriously, in 82 Coup was not justified. A lot of people died for nothing. Suffered for nothing. And changed country's direction for worse. It was nothing but naked grab for power.
Nothing to celebrate. Or applaud.

Personally I did not consider a coup against a dictatorial regime like Moi's to be a crime.

[Kadudu]

How many people died or were seriously injured due to Kibaki's power grabbing in 2007? You do not mention it here and busy citing an attempted coup in 1982.
People have moved on and I hope a regime like Moi's deserved what it got.

A coup is not a crime id if you succeed. But Raila and Company failed and therefore face firing squad or hangman.
Seriously, in 82 Coup was not justified. A lot of people died for nothing. Suffered for nothing. And changed country's direction for worse. It was nothing but naked grab for power.
Nothing to celebrate. Or applaud.

[Nefertiti]

Moi's brute and barbarism is actually blamed on Raila who triggered him like an automaton. If you weigh the good and the bad of Moi he comes up pretty short. I have argued here before that he invented "TKK" and democratised corruption. The economy really tanked under Moi. The lost opportunity - when people contrast the Asian Tigers - Moi squandered Kenya's golden years.

Moi ERROR is Kenya's dark age.

How many people died or were seriously injured due to Kibaki's power grabbing in 2007? You do not mention it here and busy citing an attempted coup in 1982.
People have moved on and I hope a regime like Moi's deserved what it got.

[Kadudu]

If you read history about the time the attempted coup happened you will notice that a coup was just a question of time. There were several groups out there hatching up plans, but the Kenya Airforce amateurs were quicker in the race than the others.

Moi was an error and it will take generations for Kenya to recover from his misrule.

Moi's brute and barbarism is actually blamed on Raila who triggered him like an automaton. If you weigh the good and the bad of Moi he comes up pretty short. I have argued here before that he invented "TKK" and democratised corruption. The economy really tanked under Moi. The lost opportunity - when people contrast the Asian Tigers - Moi squandered Kenya's golden years.

Moi ERROR is Kenya's dark age.

[RV Pundit]

There were things that were beyond moi - even if he was to be perfect - one of them high population of 70s and 80s - Kenyans were breeding like rats. Yes moi mismanaged the economy and politics and was really not prepared for leadership considering his limited education. He did an okay job. One wishes we had males zenawi or William ruto then...or of course kibaki or mboya. Raila and Jaramogi would have BEEN FAR WORSE.

Moi's brute and barbarism is actually blamed on Raila who triggered him like an automaton. If you weigh the good and the bad of Moi he comes up pretty short. I have argued here before that he invented "TKK" and democratised corruption. The economy really tanked under Moi. The lost opportunity - when people contrast the Asian Tigers - Moi squandered Kenya's golden years.

Moi ERROR is Kenya's dark age.

How many people died or were seriously injured due to Kibaki's power grabbing in 2007? You do not mention it here and busy citing an attempted coup in 1982.
People have moved on and I hope a regime like Moi's deserved what it got.

[Nefertiti]

You are right but there is no reason to praise the guy just for breathing and carrying an ivory fimbo. It is not an achievement for a C-in-C to keep the peace - that like praising you for walking your kid to school. I mean likes of Kagame and Meles or even M7 really found their countries much worse and dire but quickly turned things around. Moi was a spectacular failure. KSh to Dollar plummeted from 10 to 80 - a freefall - inflation was through the roof. From 70s by 90s a civil servant or say farmer earning 20k fell from comfortable life to a pauper. That time the fool was obsessed with jailing Jaramogi and Matibas and lining his pockets. In the end what a leader leaves behind after basic peace and stability is the economic opportunities. Moi is a sorry era that cannot be whitewashed.

Ruto and Raila just play politics but I think Uhuru really believes in the meaningless eulogies of my mentor bla bla. Moi equally believed and saw no evil in Jomo with his nyayo nonsense. Bure kabisa.

There were things that were beyond moi - even if he was to be perfect - one of them high population of 70s and 80s - Kenyans were breeding like rats. Yes moi mismanaged the economy and politics and was really not prepared for leadership considering his limited education. He did an okay job. One wishes we had males zenawi or William ruto then...or of course kibaki or mboya. Raila and Jaramogi would have BEEN FAR WORSE.

Moi's brute and barbarism is actually blamed on Raila who triggered him like an automaton. If you weigh the good and the bad of Moi he comes up pretty short. I have argued here before that he invented "TKK" and democratised corruption. The economy really tanked under Moi. The lost opportunity - when people contrast the Asian Tigers - Moi squandered Kenya's golden years.

Moi ERROR is Kenya's dark age.

How many people died or were seriously injured due to Kibaki's power grabbing in 2007? You do not mention it here and busy citing an attempted coup in 1982.
People have moved on and I hope a regime like Moi's deserved what it got.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit comparing Raila or Jaramogi - that just conjecture - they never had power. Moi was there, did that with dismal results. Not even his modest education can excuse him.

[RV Pundit]

You don't need to be CEO for us to judge you. We can judge Raila based on his track record. If someone makes a bad MCA -- he ain't going to be a better PORK.

Pundit comparing Raila or Jaramogi - that just conjecture - they never had power. Moi was there, did that with dismal results. Not even his modest education can excuse him.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Pundit comparing Raila or Jaramogi - that just conjecture - they never had power. Moi was there, did that with dismal results. Not even his modest education can excuse him.

Baba has evolved though.  He is now firmly in love with the plutocrats.  He would make a different leader today than he would have in the 80s.

[RV Pundit]

Which leadership was he onto in 80s?

Baba has evolved though.  He is now firmly in love with the plutocrats.  He would make a different leader today than he would have in the 80s.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Which leadership was he onto in 80s?

Baba has evolved though.  He is now firmly in love with the plutocrats.  He would make a different leader today than he would have in the 80s.

In the 80s he was more of a radical.  More likely to shake up things in fundamental ways if he attained power.  He was more of an outsider. 

I don't know if it's age, or having a bigger piece of the pie, maybe both, but a Raila Presidency today is not likely to be the major disruption that GEMA and other detractors always fear about him.

[RV Pundit]

Make sense...

In the 80s he was more of a radical.  More likely to shake up things in fundamental ways if he attained power.  He was more of an outsider. 

I don't know if it's age, or having a bigger piece of the pie, maybe both, but a Raila Presidency today is not likely to be the major disruption that GEMA and other detractors always fear about him.

[Nefertiti]

There is more to leadership than just "economic performance."

Raila has his heart and mind in the right place. Social justice, equity, liberal leaning. It easy to see Raila is a liberal democrat - contrasted to say Ruto and his family/African values ala Moi conservativism.

Equally easy to conceive - Raila would cement ideology to breach the tribe. As a tool to change power dynamics. Most likely by classism/entitlements, feminism, gayism, minorityism - Leftist pillars. Ruto would ferment tribalism to consolidate power like Moi.

Now I don't know what "track record" has you place Ruto with Meles and Raila beneath Moi? Kibaki big infra binge - bypasses, highways - had Raila prints all over it. He was pulling Telkom dude arap Ng'eny house down to build Eastern bypass. Also the slum upgrade program. Very successful. It Raila brain Ruto SGR copycatted without introspection for an arm and a leg with dismal results.

Ruto best record is CDF,  tightening college QA, ending admission slag. Nothing tangible. Under Jubilee 1 we have a mountain of debt as the outstanding legacy. But in record time Ruto has spread the gospel of  corruption everywhere. Uhuru is making a name just cutting down Rutoism - free-for-all looting.

[RV Pundit]

Jubilee has done better than all previous Kenyan regime..in nearly all fronts.. starting from the economy to infrastructure..Uhuru has to sustain this and secure his legacy.Raila legacy is well known...big promises..zero delivery

[Nefertiti]

Raila and Uhuru are solving the enduring African problem : division and instability. Ruto as usual is the No guy.