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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2020, 11:21:03 AM »
Really? In 2013 with Ruto not even running for PORK - URP had 72 MPs, TNA 85 Mps and Raila 96Ms (that has since gone down to 61 mps as we speak). Now in 2020...Ruto controls most of Jubilee Mps (Uhuru's kieleweke are about 10 ). If that was good indicator of Robina parliamentary system...then it obvious Ruto doesn't have to worry...we go for presidential system...Uhuru won't run and he wins. We go for parliamentary system...and he just need to get 170mps out 350mps. I think he is nearly there.

Ruto is a nobody without Uhuru,he has been riding on Uhurus shadow for a long time,the hyena has been exposed.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2020, 11:51:42 AM »
Ruto is a nobody without Uhuru,he has been riding on Uhurus shadow for a long time,the hyena has been exposed.

Hyenas have betrayed my faith, says Uhuru
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Hyenas-have-betrayed-my-faith--says-Uhuru/1064-5439768-54y6laz/index.html
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2020, 11:57:43 AM »
He is sulking - blocking leaders and having chiefs vet people to attend rallies  :D :D - and he is hoping to win the hearts and minds of his people.

Kiunjuri will demolish him...

"Wacha watu wazungumuze... If Jesus had a conversation with a mad man...who are you not to have a conversation with other Kenyans?... how can you tell us to build bridges and you want to demolish others," he said.

Kiunjuri mistake will be to join another party this early - he needs to fight Uhuru within Jubilee.

Hyenas have betrayed my faith, says Uhuru
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Hyenas-have-betrayed-my-faith--says-Uhuru/1064-5439768-54y6laz/index.html

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2020, 12:10:55 PM »
Chiefs and CCs are locking out Ruto crew.. who like to pretend everything is kosher in Jubilee. Uhuru is killing their narrative - that is the reason for the "hyenas" remark. Kiunjuri should be gunning for PORK instead he is Ruto loyal general. Meantime after Waititu sacking - all governors are now championingn BBI in Mt Kenya. Kiunjuri just like Kuria and Nyoro has nuisance value. Kuria is being thrown out of BBI rallies... Tangatanga need to go slow on desperation.

He is sulking - blocking leaders and having chiefs vet people to attend rallies  :D :D - and he is hoping to win the hearts and minds of his people.

Kiunjuri will demolish him...

"Wacha watu wazungumuze... If Jesus had a conversation with a mad man...who are you not to have a conversation with other Kenyans?... how can you tell us to build bridges and you want to demolish others," he said.

Kiunjuri mistake will be to join another party this early - he needs to fight Uhuru within Jubilee.
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2020, 12:16:56 PM »
I think because you're so young - these moisque 90s ideas excite you - let me tell you for free - they never work. Uhuru has failed for last two years to sell his vision. He is only "popular" in NASA zones. Right in Gatundu - Kuria can abuse him - without any consequences - because even the drunkards of Ichaweri probably call Uhuru a Ngui now.

Now the man is so desperate he has ordered rice be bought at 85 from 45 :) like market dynamics will now listen to him - if Kuria his own MP - cannot.

BBI that is being supported by Ruto and company is the ORIGINAL BBI - the only BBI. If they sneak a new one - then there is a debate and conversation to be had.

Raila is not supporting BBI - but pretending to be - while in actual sense he is attempting to sell BBI 2.0. I think Ruto was caught flatfoot on the deceit - and is trying to win back the narrative on the BBI - the original one.

That BBI was basically disowned by their authors - zero publicity done - zero distributions - zero translations - 10B flushed down the toilet - and that is hypocrisy that Ruto team are trying to bring. The media obviously are not helping - they like civil society & church long lost their moral ground. They are as partisan as anybody else.

Chiefs and CCs are locking out Ruto crew.. who like to pretend everything is kosher in Jubilee. Uhuru is killing their narrative - that is the reason for the "hyenas" remark. Kiunjuri should be gunning for PORK instead he is Ruto loyal general. Meantime after Waititu sacking - all governors are now championingn BBI in Mt Kenya. Kiunjuri just like Kuria and Nyoro has nuisance value. Kuria is being thrown out of BBI rallies... Tangatanga need to go slow on desperation.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2020, 12:20:43 PM »
Well when you tell us why Ruto minions have to be whipped out of Uhuru meetings we can talk. Maybe - just maybe - Uhurutopia is the only string they have to hang on.

I think because you're so young - these moisque 90s ideas excite you - let me tell you for free - they never work. Uhuru has failed for last two years to sell his vision. He is only "popular" in NASA zones. Right in Gatundu - Kuria can abuse him - without any consequences - because even the drunkards of Ichaweri probably call Uhuru a Ngui now.

Now the man is so desperate he has ordered rice be bought at 85 from 45 :) like market dynamics will now listen to him - if Kuria his own MP - cannot.

BBI that is being supported by Ruto and company is the ORIGINAL BBI - the only BBI. If they bring a new one - then there is a debate and conversation to be had.

Raila is not supporting BBI - but pretending to be - while in actual sense he is attempting to sell BBI 2.0
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2020, 12:24:03 PM »
Because they are popular on the ground and ground is with them. It not only the MCAs and Mps who are being denied - it's people attending Uhuru allies that are being vetted. Even Moi in 90s never got that desperate.

If people were one outing anti-Uhuru folks - you could say Uhuru is winning - but it's security officers doing it.

And with repeal of chief acts - I think Kibicho might soon want to ammend it - to allow the prov administration to play politics.

Uhuru is courting a rebellion from his people - and then he will be a nobody - he won't even get MCA seat :) and will retire in great shame.

Well when you tell us why Ruto minions have to be whipped out of Uhuru meetings we can talk. Maybe - just maybe - Uhurutopia is the only string they have to hang on.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2020, 12:28:07 PM »
That up is down logic. So ground is with Ruto MCAs and MPs. But Uhuru needs nyahunyo to keep them out of his meeting :o They are dying to be with the unpopular person? Sorry I don't get.

If the ground was with Ruto - Uhuru meetings should simply be empty or poorly attended. Not forcefully vet out attendants.
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2020, 12:32:14 PM »
People attend presidential functions. When they ejected one MP in Nyandarua - the MCAs and rest of MPS also removed themselves. The same with Kirinyanga - where it was lonely Waiguru -as MPs keep off.

Now that Mps have got Uhuru message that he is not attending presidential or state functions - but political rallies - Mps and MCAS will not wait to be ejected - but will basically give Uhuru meetings a wide berth.

If Uhuru can behave like a kid - he will be treated like a kid. Why would a president go have tussle with Mps and MCAs? Eti remove this man from my meeting - are you the new Lucy Kibaki?

That up is down logic. So ground is with Ruto MCAs and MPs. But Uhuru needs nyahunyo to keep them out of his meeting :o They are dying to be with the unpopular person? Sorry I don't get.

If the ground was with Ruto - Uhuru meetings should simply be empty or poorly attended. Not forcefully vet out attendants.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2020, 01:21:30 PM »
That funny since Kihika, Jayne Kihara of Naivasha, Gikaria Nakuru East and some other Ruto MP got locked out of Uhuru Nakuru meeting 2 weeks ago. They blamed Lee Kinyanjui. Jan 14.

Ruto got locked out of Uhuru meeting in Mombasa - where Uhuru met Handshake governors. Bloke had invited himself. Jan 17.
Tangatanga crew had to be chased out of Uhuru podium in Ol Kalou. Jan 31.
Tangatanga crew had to be kicked out of Uhuru Kirinyaga meeting. Feb 1.


Now even Kuria and Murkomen are being kicked out of Raila meetings. They are taking long time to learn. Expect the drama to continue - it desperation not accident.


People attend presidential functions. When they ejected one MP in Nyandarua - the MCAs and rest of MPS also removed themselves. The same with Kirinyanga - where it was lonely Waiguru -as MPs keep off.

Now that Mps have got Uhuru message that he is not attending presidential or state functions - but political rallies - Mps and MCAS will not wait to be ejected - but will basically give Uhuru meetings a wide berth.

If Uhuru can behave like a kid - he will be treated like a kid. Why would a president go have tussle with Mps and MCAs? Eti remove this man from my meeting - are you the new Lucy Kibaki?
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2020, 01:34:29 PM »
Uhuru has more Mt Kenya meetings line up - Nyeri, Laikipia and Murang'a. Expect nyahunyo as desperate Tangatanga demand photo ops with Uhuru.
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2020, 04:35:33 PM »
1. MauMau leaders were well accepted by their exploits and what they doing fighting Brits colonialism. There was no question of forcing people to support them. People just did. Also don't forget even famous and well known chiefs/persons had their heads chopped off for being traitors. Uhuru is almost there. The power he wields as President notwithstanding.

2. JM had not really risen to the point of being a leader as seen from Kikuyu eyes. He was more like Moses Kuria. Championing for well known issues and making life uncomfortable to Kenyattas thieving.

3. Matiba And Kibaki had split Mt. Kenya loyalties. Therefore in all instances there is nowhere anybody imposed themselves. Jomo was widely accepted due to historical circumstances of those times. But he was lucky he got arrested when he did as MauMau had resolved to chop his head off for being traitor. Also read Bildad Kaggia book to understand how Brits schemed to have Kenyatta as the leader.
Anyway, point is Uhuru cannot and will not impose his deranged view/BBI Plan without opposition. He will implement BBI without Mt. Kenya support or votes or consent.

May i point to you that currently when Uhuru visits Mt. Kenya he's being accompanied by enhanced security including those GSU/Soldiers Lorries. Things are thick.

Finally, William Samoei Ruto aka Hustler has found himself as a man of circumstances. A man of the moment. Mt. Kenya view him as the incoming leader and have adopted him as such. It is NOT HIM WHO HAS BRIBED OR STOLEN UHURU'S SUPPORT, but rather circumstances have brought him to where he is. This is the whole of Mt. Kenya agrees and acknowledge they cannot produce the next president and therefore they are better off supporting/adopting another person outside Mt. Kenya. That person happen to be Ruto. Second reason is that Uhuru has DELIBERATELY AND SYSTEMATICALLY SUPPRESSED any alternative to himself within Mt. Kenya. Therefore people have to look for alternative: after all leadership hates vacuum.
To me Kiunjuri is STILL NOT YET A MT. KENYA ALTERNATIVE to Uhuru. He could be but he has a way to go. Maybe soon he will surprise me and truly grab mantle from Uhuru. In other words there is a leadership contest and transition taking place in Mt. Kenya and Ruto just happened to be the man of the moment. Ruto is being "temporarily accepted/adopted" as Mt. Kenya leader until a more solid and acceptable leader emerge after Uhuru. Uhuru need to go home and smoke his stuffs so that Mt. Kenya move on:can have a leader for the future.

Finally, absolutely and absolutely I HAVE FOUND NO ONE EXCITED that Uhuru can be (will be) Executive PM. No one. Most dismiss it as "wana.." (utoto/childishness). No one is buying this thing. And if you see Mt. Kenya openly asking themselves "kwani ni familia ya Kenyatta wanaweza ongoza tu!?" just know ni kubaya.. No one is interested in maintaining Uhuru leadership any longer than its necessary. No one.

Ruto is caught in-between Mt. Kenya leadership transition battle.

What history shows Gema are lead by consent? Mau Mau history of Dedan Kimathi, Generals Mathenge & Kago, Jomo, JM Kariuki, Kibaki vs Matiba, etc show they follow the strongest leader as all other groups. Otherwise they should have gone to JM. They defied Kibaki for selling Mdvd over their own prince Uhuru...  which is a point against Ruto. Smashing Waititu or Kiunjuri decisively actually attracts following contra to expectation.

The trail of deserters shows Ruto is not doing too well. Ask yourself why they all deflect the attacks to Raila if Uhuru is so unpopular. Gema will wind up firmly back in Uhuru's corner. Ruto's chance to pick a Luhya or a Kalonzo is also closing. Uhuru 2.0 is a very poisonous chalice he cannot duck.

About 10 years and democracy... you're wishful. Here we have ample history of octogenarians getting elected by their tribes to a man. Uhuru is hardly 60 and Mt Kenya is not any l)

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2020, 04:46:33 PM »
As for Nyahunyo, Uhuru has become like the pestilence that stalks in the darkness and the destruction that strike at midday. Even business people who had been welcoming Ruto and TangaTanga have had some demands from KRA or some phone calls to visit DCI. A client of mine was invited last week to visit EACC to answer for some government tender he won and finalised job and got paid 6yrs ago. Total lunacy.
Then its catch-22 for MCAs and other politicians. If they just ignore Uhuru meetings then its a worse problem. If they attend they are humiliated. What does he and his advisors want?
Presidents meetings are now attended by more security personnel than residents. There is no excitement or enthusiasm: just like curiosity President is around wacha tusikie leo anatukana nani...

Hint: easier thing he just campaign for Raila as President and maybe Waiguru as Deputy. Otherwise BBI will not sell. No one want him as PM. And even Raila wants him as PM just to use him to win power (Presidency).
Actually who wants Uhuru as Executive PM!?


Uhuru has more Mt Kenya meetings line up - Nyeri, Laikipia and Murang'a. Expect nyahunyo as desperate Tangatanga demand photo ops with Uhuru.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2020, 05:02:15 PM »
Moi did exactly the same. Eventually, Kalenjin asked who Moi was, to act like he was the pre-destined leader of Kalenjin - they found out he was just an orphan boy without any born-leadership credentials. And Kalenjin dumped Moi like a hot coal. Who really are Kenyatta's - just another poor family turned famous. Their uthamaki is make belief - it's like he was the son of say Lenana or Kabaka - those are people with generations of 'leadership'.

Moi mistake - he had built anti-gema (kikuyu) coalition and then he suddenly build bridges - switched sides - and embrace Kikuyus & handed over power to them - without caring to carry along the people. Kalenjin knew they had build an alliance with Kambas, Luhyas, coast and Maasai - and naturally, they expect Moi would endorse Saitoti or Kalonzo or MaDVD or even Ngala. Heck even Raila Odinga would have been acceptable. But NOT UHURU. Moi basically killed KANU in one move.

The same Uhuru mistake - he has built and nurtured a hatred against Raila (he found it already well watered) and then suddenly turn around & expect people to simply also turn?

Only Raila does that to Luos. Nobody else. That is why Raila is powerful. He can tell the Luos to jump and they will ask how high.

Uhuru cannot do the same with GEMA. He has to explain, cajole and finally convince people - including it's leaders - this is best move. He has a problem explaining it - because it's a selfish move that doesn't consider the consequence especially on 1m plus poor diaspora people living in rift valley.  He clearly knows that gov cannot protect them - and by burning bridges with Ruto - he is basically burning bridges btw Kalenjin & Kikuyus - with disastrous consequences on their lifes and investments.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2020, 05:42:17 PM »
Look like we might have a collision...
Deputy President William Ruto now says he will continue launching and following up on government projects as that is his work as the second in command.

" Mimi napata mshahara ya deputy president, kwa hivyo kila mtu afanye kazi yake na tuheshimiane,kama sijaingilia kazi ya mwingine shida iko wapi... nitaendelea kusukuma miradi ya stima, barabara, maji na masomo ya wanafunzi"

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2020, 05:49:37 PM »
In one week Uhuru has erased all ruto's gains in central. He has stamped his authority and reconnected with leadership. Ruto will now face an indifferent central. With Waititi impeachment the central grassroots is now in uhurus corner. Qith impending arrest of Kiunjuri it is a matter of time before ruto supporters flee. Kra will be demanding back taxes on a few tax evaders ..serikali sii mamako

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2020, 05:57:59 PM »
Are you on the ground? Because if you are, you'd know Uhuru hasn't erased anything. He's in full display of his power but that won't change people's mind.
Most people have taken strategic poise of "being quite/silent" and pretending "government is right..." but feelings are actually hardening. This Uhuru thing will not end well at all!



In one week Uhuru has erased all ruto's gains in central. He has stamped his authority and reconnected with leadership. Ruto will now face an indifferent central. With Waititi impeachment the central grassroots is now in uhurus corner. Qith impending arrest of Kiunjuri it is a matter of time before ruto supporters flee. Kra will be demanding back taxes on a few tax evaders ..serikali sii mamako

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2020, 06:05:36 PM »
Kenyplato is definitely on the ground zero Delaware county driving his truck

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2020, 06:19:24 PM »
Kenyplato is definitely on the ground zero Delaware county driving his truck

Ground is nothing kikuyus wilk lament about this and that but at the end of the day is can ruto be trusted. They know they can't and so Uhuru lack leadershio had them worried. Once gok authority is stamped and agriculture subsidies start working ruto will be dumped very quickly. Ruto is done done done done

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