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Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« on: February 01, 2020, 11:27:21 AM »
Man UK is not with WSR. WSR should look for plan B. Uhuru is going back to the ground in Mt. Kenya. It's no longer shadow boxing.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2020, 12:10:41 PM »
Ruto is about to be hanged. Uhuru is just looking for the right rope

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2020, 12:59:54 PM »
Pundito and his kalejingas are still waiting for endorsement,they will see it on viusasa

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2020, 01:01:55 PM »
They are still issuing back channel threats about arrows. They will suffer tremendous losses if they dare start clashes while uburu is in power

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2020, 02:05:31 PM »
As long as he is selling Raila - Ruto is fine. Mt Kenya will send him back to sender if he attempts to sell handshake or Raila. Ruto Plan B if Uhuru won't cooperate is for Kiunjuri to push him.

As for BBI - I wonder how he will sell to Mt Kenya a system that disadvantage them.

In short I see Uhuru fighting for a space for himself - but it may be too late - he had a chance to decide the next successor of central & make a deal with Ruto - but like Moi made huge blunder the last minute - Uhuru seem headed there - he is likely to be pushed out because he is selling PORK in SAUDI ARABIA

Man UK is not with WSR. WSR should look for plan B. Uhuru is going back to the ground in Mt. Kenya. It's no longer shadow boxing.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2020, 02:13:49 PM »
Uhuru is not pushing for Raila,kikuyus will have their candidate in the name of PK,for now Uhuru is using Raila to shield him from Ruto.Raila too does not expect Uhurus endorsement,what he wants is a divided jubilee.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2020, 02:21:53 PM »
Uhuru is not pushing for Raila,kikuyus will have their candidate in the name of PK,for now Uhuru is using Raila to shield him from Ruto.Raila too does not expect Uhurus endorsement,what he wants is a divided jubilee.

It is a win-win for Raila... so long as Uhuru sabotages Ruto - whether he hangs on or endorses a PK Raila wins. Of course we don't see any PK being promoted like Matiang'i so the signals read Uhuru 2.0 so far.
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2020, 02:33:57 PM »
O the futility of fighting PORK! We, the soothsayers, warned this would happen. Tunaona mbali kama giraffe :)

Uhuru is not selling Raila. He is gunning for Exec PM. Which is ready with BBI wazee doing mere PR charade. Kikuyu cannot stop BBI steamroller. Few Waititu resistance ringleaders have been hanged or intimidated. As you can see Uhuru is on a long timetable of tours without Raila... the few Tangatanga noisemakers are being kicked out of meetings as we saw in Nakuru and now Ol Kalou.

Tangatanga MP, MCAs chased out of Uhuru meeting in Nyandarua
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001358691/ruto-allies-ordered-out-of-uhuru-s-nyandarua-function

Egg on face of Nyandarua MPs locked out of Uhuru’s events
https://citizentv.co.ke/news/egg-on-face-of-nyandarua-mps-locked-out-of-uhurus-events-316509/?amp

As long as he is selling Raila - Ruto is fine. Mt Kenya will send him back to sender if he attempts to sell handshake or Raila. Ruto Plan B if Uhuru won't cooperate is for Kiunjuri to push him.

As for BBI - I wonder how he will sell to Mt Kenya a system that disadvantage them.

In short I see Uhuru fighting for a space for himself - but it may be too late - he had a chance to decide the next successor of central & make a deal with Ruto - but like Moi made huge blunder the last minute - Uhuru seem headed there - he is likely to be pushed out because he is selling PORK in SAUDI ARABIA
♫♫ They say all good boys go to heaven... but bad boys bring heaven to you ~ song by Julia Michaels

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2020, 03:32:52 PM »
Why would Uhuru push for PK? And when does he begin with that project. I would take a Matiangi (non kikuyu :) ) before the dead wood PK.
Uhuru is not pushing for Raila,kikuyus will have their candidate in the name of PK,for now Uhuru is using Raila to shield him from Ruto.Raila too does not expect Uhurus endorsement,what he wants is a divided jubilee.

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2020, 03:35:48 PM »
Assuming Uhuru is on that path - he has a long way to get to Exec PM. Anyway no point repeating ourselves daily - but let talk when we have BBI 2.0 complete with parliamentary system and Exec PM. Maybe Ruto will then agree with both Uhuru and Raila gets the ceremonial PORK - and Uhuru & Ruto fight for Exec PM. That should return Kichwa from Siberia.

What Uhuru is doing in Central is formenting a rebellion that will crash him - you cannot use executive power in politics in Kenya in 21st century - doesn't work - those Mps and MCAS are responding to the ground. So Top-Down politics are not working - you need to work on the bottom first - and they will work on MPs & MCAS.

What will happen when MPs & MCAS OPENLY DEFY UHURU and RALLY BEHIND KIUNJURI? What will he do next?  What will happen when they openly defie BBI and handshake? And they have popular support. Will Uhuru order them to be shot? Will he re-enact the Chief Act of 1990 :) and ban political rallies? Corruption cases...bail is granted after 1 day of court drama. Only the governors fear losing their positions..not an MCA or MP.

Kiunjuri and alternative leadership of central moment of truth is now..they let Uhuru regain the ground..they lose. It time for them to openly defy him as being a community sellout and chart a new court. Uhuru cannot comeback from that.

O the futility of fighting PORK! We, the soothsayers, warned this would happen. Tunaona mbali kama giraffe :)

Uhuru is not selling Raila. He is gunning for Exec PM. Which is ready with BBI wazee doing mere PR charade. Kikuyu cannot stop BBI steamroller. Few Waititu resistance ringleaders have been hanged or intimidated. As you can see Uhuru is on a long timetable of tours without Raila... the few Tangatanga noisemakers are being kicked out of meetings as we saw in Nakuru and now Ol Kalou.

Tangatanga MP, MCAs chased out of Uhuru meeting in Nyandarua
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001358691/ruto-allies-ordered-out-of-uhuru-s-nyandarua-function

Egg on face of Nyandarua MPs locked out of Uhuru’s events
https://citizentv.co.ke/news/egg-on-face-of-nyandarua-mps-locked-out-of-uhurus-events-316509/?amp

As long as he is selling Raila - Ruto is fine. Mt Kenya will send him back to sender if he attempts to sell handshake or Raila. Ruto Plan B if Uhuru won't cooperate is for Kiunjuri to push him.

As for BBI - I wonder how he will sell to Mt Kenya a system that disadvantage them.

In short I see Uhuru fighting for a space for himself - but it may be too late - he had a chance to decide the next successor of central & make a deal with Ruto - but like Moi made huge blunder the last minute - Uhuru seem headed there - he is likely to be pushed out because he is selling PORK in SAUDI ARABIA

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2020, 04:18:41 PM »
Why would Uhuru push for PK? And when does he begin with that project. I would take a Matiangi (non kikuyu :) ) before the dead wood PK.
Uhuru is not pushing for Raila,kikuyus will have their candidate in the name of PK,for now Uhuru is using Raila to shield him from Ruto.Raila too does not expect Uhurus endorsement,what he wants is a divided jubilee.
Matiangi it is .....
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001358738/matiang-i-reveals-he-has-big-plans-with-raila

Matiang'i Spills Raila's Plans for Him Ahead of 2022

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2020, 04:51:48 PM »
Ruto should just forget mt kenya votes,he needs to learn from history

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2020, 06:48:08 PM »
So long as Uhuru is selling Parliamentary system and Raila, Mt. Kenya votes ni za Ruto. History shows Gema are ruled not by force but by consent.
Am telling you "vitu kwa ground ni different"... Soon or later Uhuru motorcade will be stoned or he will be booed. He doesn't understand what he's selling is not acceptable. And he should be satisfied with 10yrs in power and he leaves. Mt. Kenya looking for alternative and future. But for now Ruto is acceptable..


Ruto should just forget mt kenya votes,he needs to learn from history

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2020, 07:32:59 PM »
A key item to watch is Jubilee elections. Either there is a kind of detente or consensual lineup - or the gloves come off.

BBI 2.0 should be out soon. Tangatanga despite their noises and wishlist of 3.5% for judges and populist youth stipends have no control over the outcome.

Oh, Kichwa Mbaya knows your boy is being taken to the cleaners. His mixed feelings are on Uhuru 2.0 whom he loathes no less than Ruto.
Assuming Uhuru is on that path - he has a long way to get to Exec PM. Anyway no point repeating ourselves daily - but let talk when we have BBI 2.0 complete with parliamentary system and Exec PM. Maybe Ruto will then agree with both Uhuru and Raila gets the ceremonial PORK - and Uhuru & Ruto fight for Exec PM. That should return Kichwa from Siberia.



The rebellion started with the Handshake 2 years ago. Uhuru has nothing to lose. He snoozed during mlolongo and gave Ruto the upper hand. Ruto is losing the war of attrition: governors, most senators, a few MPs have crossed the floor. A place like Kiambu MCAs deserted Ruto to crucify Waititu. Generally some MCAs lineup behind the governor - so losing Waigurus, Lee Kinyanjui, Kimemias is impactful. Governors seem to calculate that it is not worth it to vouch for Ruto - so they have gone all in to lead BBI. Even Wa Iria has been doing  some barking about not allowing people to disrespect Uhuru in Murang'a.

I see Tangatanga facing it rough in Mt Kenya and swing zones like Luhya. Uhuru is adapting Moi tactics of cancelling meetings and roughing up folks. He is dishing out goodies to fix farmer issues. Which makes it hard to peddle "we are neglected" narrative. All good.

Basically Uhuru has woken up from the long slumber and he is not selling Raila. Worse is that he does not need Kikuyu to pass parliamentary. Non-Gema are excited about the prospect of a level playing field. Parliamentary is a double edged sword cause Ruto either sticks with Gema or non-Gema. Uhuru and Raila hard game have really cornered Ruto.  Luhya, NFD and Matusa will abandon him if he opposes it. Regardless of this your guess is as good as mine how Ruto vs Uhuru would go down in Mt Kenya. Your best hope is that BBI flops.
What Uhuru is doing in Central is formenting a rebellion that will crash him - you cannot use executive power in politics in Kenya in 21st century - doesn't work - those Mps and MCAS are responding to the ground. So Top-Down politics are not working - you need to work on the bottom first - and they will work on MPs & MCAS.

What will happen when MPs & MCAS OPENLY DEFY UHURU and RALLY BEHIND KIUNJURI? What will he do next?  What will happen when they openly defie BBI and handshake? And they have popular support. Will Uhuru order them to be shot? Will he re-enact the Chief Act of 1990 :) and ban political rallies? Corruption cases...bail is granted after 1 day of court drama. Only the governors fear losing their positions..not an MCA or MP.



Yeah Kiunjuri has a narrow window to dethrone Uhuru. Pipedream chance. 2 blunders:

1. he is selling Ruto as the alternative and not himself. He should be going for PORK. Or at least insisting he is ready for primaries with Ruto. People won't follow a follower. He is Ruto "loyal general to the very end."  :o

2. he is still deflecting attacks meant for Uhuru to Raila. Too many proverbs and parables. Instead of going for the jugular like Moses Kuria. This smells like cowardice which is a negative.

Add this to his poor CS record esp Agric. His zero traction outside Nyeri. His abhorrent image in non-Gema. Kiunjuri is a non-starter.
Kiunjuri and alternative leadership of central moment of truth is now..they let Uhuru regain the ground..they lose. It time for them to openly defy him as being a community sellout and chart a new court. Uhuru cannot comeback from that.
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2020, 07:46:52 PM »
What history shows Gema are lead by consent? Mau Mau history of Dedan Kimathi, Generals Mathenge & Kago, Jomo, JM Kariuki, Kibaki vs Matiba, etc show they follow the strongest leader as all other groups. Otherwise they should have gone to JM. They defied Kibaki for selling Mdvd over their own prince Uhuru...  which is a point against Ruto. Smashing Waititu or Kiunjuri decisively actually attracts following contra to expectation.

The trail of deserters shows Ruto is not doing too well. Ask yourself why they all deflect the attacks to Raila if Uhuru is so unpopular. Gema will wind up firmly back in Uhuru's corner. Ruto's chance to pick a Luhya or a Kalonzo is also closing. Uhuru 2.0 is a very poisonous chalice he cannot duck.

About 10 years and democracy... you're wishful. Here we have ample history of octogenarians getting elected by their tribes to a man. Uhuru is hardly 60 and Mt Kenya is not any different from Kalenjin 1992.

So long as Uhuru is selling Parliamentary system and Raila, Mt. Kenya votes ni za Ruto. History shows Gema are ruled not by force but by consent.
Am telling you "vitu kwa ground ni different"... Soon or later Uhuru motorcade will be stoned or he will be booed. He doesn't understand what he's selling is not acceptable. And he should be satisfied with 10yrs in power and he leaves. Mt. Kenya looking for alternative and future. But for now Ruto is acceptable..
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2020, 08:26:39 PM »
Robina you need to resolve your mental disornance. Uhuru cannot push for BBI or parliament system or whatever his future plans are without buying of GEMA.He would be a fool to do so.The man need to sell his vision to his Mp kurua first otherwise raising rice or milk price by word of mouth in 2020 is desperation.The problem is not economic..it's political..the farmers complains are code words for we don't like the direction you are taking the country.Rebellion will happen as Uhuru become lameduck... people will think about their future.Moi killed KANu and himself in exactly one year...2002.At least we could blame senility...for Uhuru maybe kikuyus will blame Enugu withcraft

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2020, 08:58:39 PM »
Moi and Uhuru are incomparable. Senile Moi was retiring, Uhuru is staying put. For Moi the opposition ganged up, but today Ruto is secluded. Kalenjin stuck with Moi... too many distinctions.

I don't get why Uhuru cannot push BBI without Mt Kenya. Besides that he has eroded Ruto support - non-Gema are enough to pass parliamentary. That you don't see the double edge facing Ruto over BBI in non-Gema is convenient. How will Ruto handle Luhya after they vote parliamentary to a man? He will be stuck in Mt Kenya facing Uhuru - who has a big advantage as a Gema incumbent.

Ruto can't hang onto both Gema and non-Gema with BBI... there's your dissonance. I heard Murkomen promising handouts to jobless youth. That's desperation.
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2020, 09:31:00 PM »
Uhuru has to negotiate with kikuyus first about his not retiring.There will be SWOT to be done.You cannot swing wananchi like pendulum.Even Luos are now tired.Ruto had a hard job initially convincing Kalenjin to quit odm..but Raila mau n icc helped.In short you cannot rail road 8m.Decoupling my Kenya from jubilee sio rahisi hivyo.Uhuru advisor lied to him.Ruto not making him easy by being an eel.People need to know what's is Ruto fault in clear terms.They don't see any.They also need to be told if Uhuru dies today or Raila MPs change their minds in parliamentary systems what happens.Politics is public debate.Unless you have dictatorship like in Luo nyanza where odingas crush dissents ..all it takes for Kiunjuri to finish Uhuru is to heckling of Uhuru twice or thrice..and he retreats to state house
.you cannot order the public whipped.BBI train will die in central...wait for it there

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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2020, 10:18:10 PM »
Kiunjuri is not contending he is Ruto loyal dog. 2002 Kalenjin voted Uhuru to a man so your analogy doesn't add up. Why can't Ruto openly oppose BBI since he is so popular? Or directly attack Uhuru? The non-Gema hard game by Raila makes him desperate for Gema - so he can't make a single wrong move. Meanwhile Uhuru is hammering him hard. His worst problem is he is facing Uhuru not Raila. He is the one with kibarua kigumu sana.
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Re: Uhuru is not with Ruto.
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2020, 10:47:51 AM »
Ruto is a nobody without Uhuru,he has been riding on Uhurus shadow for a long time,the hyena has been exposed.