Ruto parliamentary system is the best

[RV Pundit]

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[Nefertiti]

  i love the way you're on top of things. Your watermelon is going to capitulate. The coward can't take another dog beating. Continue prepping the ground with his relics. For soft landing.

[Nefertiti]

Ruto is shallow and expedient, but he says 2 things

1. Parliamentary federalism is more accountable. The US is presidential but has a college to rein tyranny.

2. The pre-2010 constitution was not the Lancaster devolved parliamentary complete with a governor-general. It was soiled and pulverized by the greedy, corrupt Jomo and his Kiambu mafia. 1964 they scrapped parliamentary. 1969 they abolished majimbo and the senate.

This debate of inclusion and accountability we've been buttressing here. You took leave of faculty to support Ruto... your very own genius hero agrees with me.

[RV Pundit]

I saw it on fakepuke and I thought i should share. BBI hakuna pahali inaenda. After 30yrs of debating constitution - we finally NAILED IT at Naivasha and 2010 was the watershed moment.

i love the way you're on top of things. Your watermelon is going to capitulate. The coward can't take another dog beating. Continue prepping the ground with his relics. For soft landing.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto pushed for parliamentary in Naivasha and he lost - and voted NO. Raila changed like a chameleon and birthed us this katiba.

I don't know what Ruto thinks now about presidential or parliamentary - but I am betting he wants to keep the current system

Ruto is shallow and expedient, but he says 2 things

1. Parliamentary federalism is more accountable. The US is presidential but has a college to rein tyranny.

2. The pre-2010 constitution was not the Lancaster devolved parliamentary complete with a governor-general. It was spoiled and pulverized by the greedy, corrupt Jomo and his Kiambu mafia. 1964 they scrapped parliamentary. 1969 they scrapped majimbo and the senate.

This debate of inclusion and accountability we've been buttressing here. You took leave of faculty to support Ruto... your very own genius hero agrees with me.

[Nefertiti]

O Gee. Another white lie. Ruto and ODM rebels ganged up with PNU and obliterated parliamentary, and 16 regions that Raila wanted. The rebels and PNU would outvote ODM to impose pure presidential and 47 counties - and Abdikadir Mohamed the foxy shifta - as PSC chair & spokesman - would lie to media that there was consensus. They also scrapped gender quota for women rep.

PNU and Ruto won Naivasha hands down. ODM lost. Then Raila went yes not to lose the reform mantle. Ruto went no to hive off Kalenjin who were big ODM shareholders.

Ruto pushed for parliamentary in Naivasha and he lost - and voted NO. Raila changed like a chameleon and birthed us this katiba.

I don't know what Ruto thinks now about presidential or parliamentary - but I am betting he wants to keep the current system

[Kadudu]

I also wondered why Pundit is trying to rewrite history. Mt Kenya got everything it wanted at Naivasha with courtesy of Ruto. Even the 47 counties emerged from Naivasha while many other groups pledged for 8-9 units, Ruto ganged up with Mt Kenya to come up with the idea of 47 units. Mt Kenya knew with 8-9 counties it would only have control of one county and the Kikuyu in RV would be at the mercy of one Kalejin governor.

O Gee. Another white lie. Ruto and ODM rebels ganged up with PNU and obliterated parliamentary, and 16 regions that Raila wanted. The rebels and PNU would outvote ODM to impose pure presidential and 47 counties - and Abdikadir Mohamed the foxy shifta - as PSC chair & spokesman - would lie to media that there was consensus. They also scrapped gender quota for women rep.

PNU and Ruto won Naivasha hands down. ODM lost. Then Raila went yes not to lose the reform mantle. Ruto went no to hive off Kalenjin who were big ODM shareholders.

[RV Pundit]

Look for Naivasha PSC Hansards. Raila and Ruto (both Isaac & William) wanted a parliamentary system. PNU wanted a hybrid system. Raila's ODM out of the blues came up with pure presidential system and he was backed by PNU. That was end of the stalemate. Isaac Rutto dissented to the very end insisting on parliamentary system.

[Nefertiti]

Yes. The 16 regions were a compromise between unitary and 8 majimbo. But Ruto had other plans. Grapevine had it that Kibaki let him loose in DoD contracts. Amarco insured KDF for a few years. Ruto betrayed his own convictions for expediency and greed.

Pundit knows better and cannot pretend to quote Abdikar and his con pressers. Of course many street Joes believe the spin. That impostor and corrupt wariahe even got awards for "building consensus" in PSC at Naivasha. Ukistaajabu ya Musa.

I also wondered why Pundit is trying to rewrite history. Mt Kenya got everything it wanted at Naivasha with courtesy of Ruto. Even the 47 counties emerged from Naivasha while many other groups pledged for 8-9 units, Ruto ganged up with Mt Kenya to come up with the idea of 47 units. Mt Kenya knew with 8-9 counties it would only have control of one county and the Kikuyu in RV would be at the mercy of one Kalejin governor.

[RV Pundit]

If you get hansard proceeding you'll be shocked that Raila came up with this pure presidential system as counter against PNU hybrid system.

Yes. The 16 regions were a compromise between unitary and 8 majimbo. But Ruto had other plans. Grapevine had it that Kibaki let him loose in DoD contracts. Amarco insured KDF for a few years. Ruto betrayed his own convictions for expediency and greed.

Pundit knows better and cannot pretend to quote Abdikar and his con pressers. Of course many street Joes believe the spin. That impostor and corrupt wariahe even got awards for "building consensus" in PSC at Naivasha. Ukistaajabu ya Musa.

I also wondered why Pundit is trying to rewrite history. Mt Kenya got everything it wanted at Naivasha with courtesy of Ruto. Even the 47 counties emerged from Naivasha while many other groups pledged for 8-9 units, Ruto ganged up with Mt Kenya to come up with the idea of 47 units. Mt Kenya knew with 8-9 counties it would only have control of one county and the Kikuyu in RV would be at the mercy of one Kalejin governor.

[RV Pundit]

Pure presidential system was ODM genius moment - The deadlock was btw hybrid and parliamentary system.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000001542/why-odm-went-presidential

[Kadudu]

Ruto would even sell Rachel to the highest bidder to get the loot.
No wonder Amarco even survived when Ruto was not in good books with the Mt Kenya gangsters around Kibaki.

Yes. The 16 regions were a compromise between unitary and 8 majimbo. But Ruto had other plans. Grapevine had it that Kibaki let him loose in DoD contracts. Amarco insured KDF for a few years. Ruto betrayed his own convictions for expediency and greed.

Pundit knows better and cannot pretend to quote Abdikar and his con pressers. Of course many street Joes believe the spin. That impostor and corrupt wariahe even got awards for "building consensus" in PSC at Naivasha. Ukistaajabu ya Musa.

[RV Pundit]

[RV Pundit]

Amarco survived mostly thro Third Party Insurance to Motor Vehicle....

Ruto would even sell Rachel to the highest bidder to get the loot.
No wonder Amarco even survived when Ruto was not in good books with the Mt Kenya gangsters around Kibaki.

Yes. The 16 regions were a compromise between unitary and 8 majimbo. But Ruto had other plans. Grapevine had it that Kibaki let him loose in DoD contracts. Amarco insured KDF for a few years. Ruto betrayed his own convictions for expediency and greed.

Pundit knows better and cannot pretend to quote Abdikar and his con pressers. Of course many street Joes believe the spin. That impostor and corrupt wariahe even got awards for "building consensus" in PSC at Naivasha. Ukistaajabu ya Musa.

[Nefertiti]

ODM blames clique for its failure in Naivasha
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000007512/odm-blames-clique-for-its-failure-in-naivasha

Pure presidential system was ODM genius moment - The deadlock was btw hybrid and parliamentary system.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000001542/why-odm-went-presidential

[Nefertiti]

Every pundit not fooled by the Abdikadir pressers knew better


HOW RUTO CHEATED RIFT VALLEY AT NAIVASHA

A closer look at the draft constitution crafted by the Parliamentary Select Committee (PSC) in Naivasha reveals a document that will forever impact Rift Valley Province in profound ways.

This was a document whose major tenets were spearheaded by a newfound friendship of strange bedfellows, one an angry and vengeful Agriculture Minister, William Ruto, and another, a calculating and ambitious Finance Minister, Uhuru Kenyatta, producing a 'compromise blueprint' that needs to be examined.
Chepalungu MP, Isaac Ruto, favored a parliamentary system while Agriculture MP,William Ruto, proposed a pure presidential system.

http://jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/3825

[RV Pundit]

They are complaining about devolution - but system of gov they nailed it - ODM genius gave copied US presidential system

ODM blames clique for its failure in Naivasha
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000007512/odm-blames-clique-for-its-failure-in-naivasha

Pure presidential system was ODM genius moment - The deadlock was btw hybrid and parliamentary system.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000001542/why-odm-went-presidential

[Nefertiti]

Deja Vu: Nine years later, Kenya is back to fight over executive power
by OLIVER MATHENGE
26 October 2019 - 05:00


PSC members on constitution James Orengo, Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto chat during break in Naivasha in 2010.
Image: FILE

In Summarythen ODM member William Ruto and Narc Kenya leader Martha, both presidential aspirants at the time, led the charge to reject the hybrid proposal in favour of a pure presidential.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-10-26-deja-vu-nine-years-later-kenya-is-back-to-fight-over-executive-power/

[Nefertiti]

How MPS arrived at presidential system
By Jibril Adan 
25th Jan 2010 00:00:00 GMT +0300

The Standard can today reveal the genesis of proposal for a pure presidential system of government adopted by the Parliamentary Select Committee on Constitutional Review.

We established the system, which is similar to the US model of government, and which Kenyans will likely vote on at the referendum, was first mooted by Orange Democratic Movement deputy leader and Agriculture Minister William Ruto.

...

Several versions of the presidential system were floated. Former Justice Minister Martha Karua and Garsen MP Danson Mungatana were among those who proposed versions of a presidential system of government.

ODM MP Isaac Ruto also proposed a version of parliamentary system. But all the systems did not get majority support and discussions dragged on for more than two hours.

It was at this point that Ruto is said to have moved his version of a pure presidential systemIt is believed they made the call as it became clear they would not be able to push through the parliamentary system favoured by the PM.

Kenyans warmly received the news PSC settled for a pure presidential system with checks and balances, but some ODM leaders have given indications it may not have gone down well with some of its bigwigs.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000001663/how-mps-arrived-at-presidential-system