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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2019, 06:33:16 PM »
Point is you can't wind your morals like a majira clock. You no longer believe in abuse of power via intimidation, selective arrests, etc - because Ruto is on the receiving end. If Ruto went broke - you would equally discover graft is evil and people must win on merit.

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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2019, 06:35:55 PM »
I started noticing Ruto in 2001 - and I don't think he has changed a bit. I don't money buy support - on it's own. Moi tried to shore up his support in RV by outspending Ruto but didn't work. Ruto has so many talents going for him. He is the most effective propagandist per excellence for once. He is brilliant political operator to say the least. You need a message...Ruto now has message..hustler nation.

I remember days Ruto would line up in Kulei office to collect fundraising money - but Ruto has always tried to do fundraising every weekend.

In 2011 - there was this usual complains about Ruto wealth - then he was mere MP (Raila had fired him I think) and but was busy fundraising every week. Politically speaking in Kenya - nothing works like fundraising - whether you're MCA or MP --- people will remember the guy that is always there contributing to fix practical issues.

The same way Raila never miss a funeral. He came to my village only once  - for a funeral. I am not sure what attract Raila to funerals - the dead people? the graves? the crowd of mourners.

Point is you can't wind your morals like a majira clock. You no longer believe in abuse of power via intimidation, selective arrests, etc - because Ruto is on the receiving end. If Ruto went broke - you would equally discover graft is evil and people must win on merit.

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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2019, 06:49:57 PM »
:D That's a funny one. We know Bill Gates donates his own money, anyway. Not loot.

We apply parables and myths in the Ruto classics because in faith or fiction you must suspend logic and believe a burning chariot carried Elisha or Joshua to heaven. You cannot question why they didn't simply ascend like Jesus. Or a myth like Pandora wherein a mischievous couple changed mankind's fate by opening a jar. If you suspend your reason for a minute you will see how hardworking Ruto really is.
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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2019, 07:22:09 PM »
Robin Hood used to steal from the poor and  give everything he stole to the poor. Ruto steals from the poor and gives about 10% back to the poor.
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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2019, 10:30:15 PM »
Pundit labels you disillusioned. I say he is unhinged. Anything goes, like the savages where merit and rules have no meaning.

Robin Hood used to steal from the poor and  give everything he stole to the poor. Ruto steals from the poor and gives about 10% back to the poor.
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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2019, 10:39:54 PM »
Noone cares about Ruto's talents or achievements provided they don't include spreading cancer. Moi poisoned the bureaucracy - progressively people had to pay extra for public services. Roadblocks and chief offices became cashiers. But Wanjiku remained innocent... until the snake entered the garden. Now priests think blood can go down with sakaramendi.

I started noticing Ruto in 2001 - and I don't think he has changed a bit. I don't money buy support - on it's own. Moi tried to shore up his support in RV by outspending Ruto but didn't work. Ruto has so many talents going for him. He is the most effective propagandist per excellence for once. He is brilliant political operator to say the least. You need a message...Ruto now has message..hustler nation.

I remember days Ruto would line up in Kulei office to collect fundraising money - but Ruto has always tried to do fundraising every weekend.

In 2011 - there was this usual complains about Ruto wealth - then he was mere MP (Raila had fired him I think) and but was busy fundraising every week. Politically speaking in Kenya - nothing works like fundraising - whether you're MCA or MP --- people will remember the guy that is always there contributing to fix practical issues.

The same way Raila never miss a funeral. He came to my village only once  - for a funeral. I am not sure what attract Raila to funerals - the dead people? the graves? the crowd of mourners.
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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2019, 10:51:41 PM »
All our politicians are thieves. Some are blue collar thieves like Ruto, Raila and Uhuru - some are even highway robbers like Kalembe - some are drug barons like Joho, Mwau, Kabogos -others are land thieves like Kamanda, Waitutu, Sonko - others have run ponzi schemes - I mean nearly all our politician join politics because they have the money.

At end of the day - those that share their loot - are seen to be caring & compassionate - like Sonko & Ruto are perceived - not corrupt - because face it Raila is corrupt - just as well as Ruto.

Robin Hood used to steal from the poor and  give everything he stole to the poor. Ruto steals from the poor and gives about 10% back to the poor.

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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2019, 10:53:40 PM »
Who is the richest man or family in kenya. Kenyattas. We know they are not Bill Gates and didn't design or developed Windows. The same is true for Odingas, Mois and the whole lot.

Ruto has chosen to give...his 10% loot. I don't know why you think by giving - he is encouraging people to steal :) That some strange logic.

The same strange doublespeak we have become accosted to from ODM - where Babu is clean as whistle - and everyone else is dirty - despite evidence to the contrary. :D

We will find out soon who's message resonates with people. Moi despite all the evils built a lot of schools and hospitals from the Harambee spirit. You may say corruption became a big problem - but contemporary africa countries had even serious issues like civil war, genocide and instability...so cut Moi some slack and do remember to celebrate Moi Day come thursday  :D

And the theme of Moi Day is selfless giving :) Visit some children home and donate. Or well attend an harambee near you and donate.

Maybe you were too young in Moi days - but Harambee - then was official part of corruption - where Moi would be receiving donations from companies and individuals - for his favourite harambees. In every gov office - there would be Harambee cards - where you were coerced to contribute. Some Harambees were actually complusory - well they did help build schools, hospitals, gov facilities - but clearly gov had abdicated her role - and Harambee had become official means to development. Thanks to CDF - we now don't have harambees for schools - these are now mainly church activities.

Now that was BAD HARAMBEE.

RUto harambee is very tame. He takes his money and contributes. There are no people at least publicly linning up to 'escort' Ruto as Guest of Honour or Harambee cards in gov office - where Ruto is seeking donation for his next harambee. He is using his own money. If you want to question where it came - DCI or EACC - are way to go.

Noone cares about Ruto's talents or achievements provided they don't include spreading cancer. Moi poisoned the bureaucracy - progressively people had to pay extra for public services. Roadblocks and chief offices became cashiers. But Wanjiku remained innocent... until the snake entered the garden. Now priests think blood can go down with sakaramendi.

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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2019, 12:15:08 AM »
That's an ok abstract on the origin of TKK. I got abit lost where Ruto harambee is somehow better. Jomo, Uhuru, Kibaki or Babu are thieves yes - but they are born misers as Ebenezer Scrooge who skipped Christmas to save money. For some reason you see their meanness as a bad thing - that is our point of departure. We don't let our kids hang with the wrong company because we know they pick up on it. We even set "PG" on the wrong TV shows. The impressionable youth watch and learn from the leaders in society. Commonsense.

Who is the richest man or family in kenya. Kenyattas. We know they are not Bill Gates and didn't design or developed Windows. The same is true for Odingas, Mois and the whole lot.

Ruto has chosen to give...his 10% loot. I don't know why you think by giving - he is encouraging people to steal :) That some strange logic.

The same strange doublespeak we have become accosted to from ODM - where Babu is clean as whistle - and everyone else is dirty - despite evidence to the contrary. :D

We will find out soon who's message resonates with people. Moi despite all the evils built a lot of schools and hospitals from the Harambee spirit. You may say corruption became a big problem - but contemporary africa countries had even serious issues like civil war, genocide and instability...so cut Moi some slack and do remember to celebrate Moi Day come thursday  :D

And the theme of Moi Day is selfless giving :) Visit some children home and donate. Or well attend an harambee near you and donate.

Maybe you were too young in Moi days - but Harambee - then was official part of corruption - where Moi would be receiving donations from companies and individuals - for his favourite harambees. In every gov office - there would be Harambee cards - where you were coerced to contribute. Some Harambees were actually complusory - well they did help build schools, hospitals, gov facilities - but clearly gov had abdicated her role - and Harambee had become official means to development. Thanks to CDF - we now don't have harambees for schools - these are now mainly church activities.

Now that was BAD HARAMBEE.

RUto harambee is very tame. He takes his money and contributes. There are no people at least publicly linning up to 'escort' Ruto as Guest of Honour or Harambee cards in gov office - where Ruto is seeking donation for his next harambee. He is using his own money. If you want to question where it came - DCI or EACC - are way to go.
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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2019, 07:56:26 AM »
Today standard my Kenya unhappy with parliamentary system


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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2019, 11:26:46 AM »
Mt Kenya's choice would depend on Uhuru. If he is billed as Exec PM it's a done deal. Demographic trends of dwindling Gema headcount would also come up. Anyway all Kenyans would vote not just Central as in this narrow analysis. Other regions would support parliamentary for the very reason touted here: it contains the tyranny of numbers.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001338025/ruto-will-suffer-big-loss-if-we-have-a-bbi-plebiscite
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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2019, 11:37:39 AM »
Uhuru you believe is seeking to extend his term and will fall for Exec PM in a parliamentary system. That is nice theory. But GEMA like Kuria explained have bad deal in parliamentary - 64 seats out of 290 (or is 349) - is pretty bad - about 20%. Kalenjin have about 54mps I think.

In 2013 - when Ruto was yellow - Urp had 72mps - TNA 85 - and ODM 96 mps.

In 2017 - I think Jubilee have 140mps (17 something if you add women rep) - while ODM has gone down to 59 mps now.

Anyway a parliamentary system will see Ruto or Duale become exec PM - because I strongly believe Ruto (Jubilee) party will come tops. There will be frenzy to form coalitions...and we will be in such unstable gov...we will in permanent crisis.

Mt Kenya's choice would depend on Uhuru. If he is billed as Exec PM it's a done deal. Demographic trends of dwindling Gema headcount would also come up. Anyway all Kenyans would vote not just Central as in this narrow analysis. Other regions would support parliamentary for the very reason touted here: it contains the tyranny of numbers.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001338025/ruto-will-suffer-big-loss-if-we-have-a-bbi-plebiscite

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Re: Taming Raila
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2019, 08:03:40 PM »
Parliamentary is more accountable and equitable model. Not presidential which only 2 tribes dominate. With more devolution it would be an easy sell outside Kalenjin and Kikuyu.

About Gema, last time Jomo handed to Moi - he was honey-tongued until he became a python after consolidating power. 25 years of another Moi is a bigger scarecrow than number of MPs. I keep hearing Uhuru wants to go home - can't be Exec PM :) - cause somehow only Ruto has the oomph. That's hubris and very condescending. Atwolis and Kalonzos have told us he is going nowhere. Anyway we will cross that bridge when we get there.
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