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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #80 on: October 17, 2019, 02:03:42 AM »
I know he did the most sacrilegious thing to dare think without baba permission but he is no miguna.He already got further than anybody has in ammending the Katiba.According to Nzamba Kitonga Naivasha PSC altered katiba..so cut him some slack.We need the Aukots and okiya Omtatah..even miguna migunas & railas though they are radical unconstitutional means can destroy the nation.Aukot should take courage for having come this far...and soldier on...there is enough space for everyone...he had the right message ..punguza mzigo but went overboard.Next time Kenyans cry about expensive gov Aukot will be laughing.What next..copy Ruto ...like he did in 2010 & 2002..admit defeat and wish Kenya the very best.Dont sulk like Raila a well known sore loser.Just listen to what MCAs have said and get back to work.

Ruto has never nearly won but get cheated on anything. 2002 he was a nobody - Uhuru got a meagre 25%. No concession needed.

2007 - hehe. Genocide. Dude wasn't even a candidate but he commanded Kalenjin network. You'd have thought he and Karua were the front-runners.The case is on ice after witnesses died, disappered, refused to testify or recanted. No prize for guessing what happened.

2010 - No dismal 30% - no concession needed.

Ruto needs to first be a candidate - garner substantive following - score something worth conceding. Face the GoK machiney - dead IEBC officials, his agents or advisors deported, his offices raided, his plans sabotaged, etc - such real contentions and doubts about integrity of the outcome. Run to SCORK - scared judges don't show up. Now concede. 8) 8)  Then you can compare him with Babu.

I mean all the daylight foulplay - mlolongo and corruption - he still has the manifesto of quivers - this is your democrat?  :o It's easier to sell the "hardworking" or "achiever" or "trustworthy". Few positive words can describe Ruto.
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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2019, 04:16:26 AM »
When Raila was attempting to overthrow Moi in 82 which elections had he been rigged out.

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #82 on: October 17, 2019, 10:08:14 AM »
No wonder such fellows meaning good for the country, but get nowhere. He has no idea of how the common man in the streets thinks.

Miguna has more serious issues..Dr Aukot issues are fixable..more naivety than mental illness.If he humble himself and admit failure...he will regain respect..the average Kenyan support his punguza mzigo

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #83 on: October 17, 2019, 10:09:09 AM »
At that time Moi was a total dictator and any coup attempt was welcome.

When Raila was attempting to overthrow Moi in 82 which elections had he been rigged out.

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #84 on: October 17, 2019, 11:04:43 AM »
But these kinds of guys get there by thinking differently? If he thought like a commoner - he'd be whinning. I cannot fault him for attempting - he clearly has good ideas and means well for the country.
No wonder such fellows meaning good for the country, but get nowhere. He has no idea of how the common man in the streets thinks.

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #85 on: October 17, 2019, 11:06:07 AM »
Raila still trying to overthrow the gov. If he was a true democract - he would long have resigned and given the mantle to someone else to try. He has a messiah complex.
At that time Moi was a total dictator and any coup attempt was welcome.

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #86 on: October 17, 2019, 11:21:43 AM »
Raila is still going strong. Just ask Ida. :D :D :D
Btw, who gave the mantle to William Ruto? The mantle is not given on a silver platter. One has to nyakua it. Even Uhuru born with a silver spoon in the mouth had to establish himself as Kikuyu kingpin through his contribution to the 2007/2008 political skirmishes.

Raila still trying to overthrow the gov. If he was a true democract - he would long have resigned and given the mantle to someone else to try. He has a messiah complex.

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #87 on: October 17, 2019, 11:27:39 AM »
Hillary Clinton is strong but in a democracy - once you lose once or twice - clearly you should quit - the same with those that win. There are term limits to ensure democracy refreshes leaders. If Ruto rans twice - for PORK and loses - he need to resign and try something else.

This is part of democracy that Africans have yet to internalize.

Look at KIbaki - we ended with a cabbage - he should have long resigned for someone else in 2002.

Raila is still going strong. Just ask Ida. :D :D :D
Btw, who gave the mantle to William Ruto? The mantle is not given on a silver platter. One has to nyakua it. Even Uhuru born with a silver spoon in the mouth had to establish himself as Kikuyu kingpin through his contribution to the 2007/2008 political skirmishes.

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #88 on: October 17, 2019, 02:07:13 PM »
I know he did the most sacrilegious thing to dare think without baba permission but he is no miguna.He already got further than anybody has in ammending the Katiba.According to Nzamba Kitonga Naivasha PSC altered katiba..so cut him some slack.We need the Aukots and okiya Omtatah..even miguna migunas & railas though they are radical unconstitutional means can destroy the nation.Aukot should take courage for having come this far...and soldier on...there is enough space for everyone...he had the right message ..punguza mzigo but went overboard.Next time Kenyans cry about expensive gov Aukot will be laughing.What next..copy Ruto ...like he did in 2010 & 2002..admit defeat and wish Kenya the very best.Dont sulk like Raila a well known sore loser.Just listen to what MCAs have said and get back to work.

Ruto has never nearly won but get cheated on anything. 2002 he was a nobody - Uhuru got a meagre 25%. No concession needed.

2007 - hehe. Genocide. Dude wasn't even a candidate but he commanded Kalenjin network. You'd have thought he and Karua were the front-runners.The case is on ice after witnesses died, disappered, refused to testify or recanted. No prize for guessing what happened.

2010 - No dismal 30% - no concession needed.

Ruto needs to first be a candidate - garner substantive following - score something worth conceding. Face the GoK machiney - dead IEBC officials, his agents or advisors deported, his offices raided, his plans sabotaged, etc - such real contentions and doubts about integrity of the outcome. Run to SCORK - scared judges don't show up. Now concede. 8) 8)  Then you can compare him with Babu.

I mean all the daylight foulplay - mlolongo and corruption - he still has the manifesto of quivers - this is your democrat?  :o It's easier to sell the "hardworking" or "achiever" or "trustworthy". Few positive words can describe Ruto.

He he, yawa Robina. Kuwa mpole. You are swinging the hammer bila huruma.

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #89 on: October 17, 2019, 04:22:19 PM »
Kadame :D Pundit has a point about democracy - but he winds morals like a majira clock. Democracy is not just about term limits - it includes integrity and many other things. Ruto is a heavy doper but Pundit claims the other athletes are too young or too old.
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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2019, 06:01:21 PM »
Ekuru wins in Turkana.
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TURKANA COUNTY Assembly passes Punguza Mizigo bill becoming the second assembly to approve it after Uasin Gishu; MCAs say proposal will tighten fight against graft.

The sponsor of the bill, Ekuru Aukot, hails from Turkana.
https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/turkana/assembly-okays-Punguza-Mizigo-bill-/1183330-5315158-na6rqi/index.html
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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2019, 06:26:13 PM »
Kadame :D Pundit has a point about democracy - but he winds morals like a majira clock. Democracy is not just about term limits - it includes integrity and many other things. Ruto is a heavy doper but Pundit claims the other athletes are too young or too old.
I don't suffer your double standards where Babu is clean and everyone else dirty.Because we are in environment where everyone dopes I focus myself on performance.I distrust Kenya politician selling integrity or change just like many Kenya's.I want to hear practical solutions to our problems.Dont tell me you will clean our politics.Tell me like Sonko you'll will clean our streets and I will listen.Ruto has very many such ideas.. around providing infrastructure, social services and improving gov services.I don't like Raila big words and zero track record.You can start from Kibera and see what Okoth a mere mp did.Ruto has a reputation of getting stuff done.Those are folks we need now.Look at Meles,Musevenis & kagames..those are corrupt dictators responsible for genocide..but their leadership is effective and common sensical.Who need talkers? we want doers.What biggest issue in Kenya... corruption or fact that only 15% 0f our roads are paved. For me the latter...let elevate such issues that are SMART to the top...Let contest be who will tarmac 50,000kms of roads in next 5 yrs...if you somehow give me roads like electricity now...I really will not care less if you become a dollar billionaire like Bill Gates.You are just public service wizard hahaha..like Pinochet or Suharto.. getting his 10% margin.But if you never steal a coin like Nyerere but end up manufacturing poverty and misery...like a Raila leadership has...then clearly you're good for nothing.Give me Jomo Kenyatta any day and have your Nyerere plus all his great empty speeches.Throw his only earthly possession a bicycle and see where Tanzania ended up..Bankruptcy.Look at Trumph... evidence suggest he is better POTUS than Obama.Who cares if he is a clown..he get shiet done...

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #92 on: October 17, 2019, 06:48:45 PM »
I don't suffer your double standards where Babu is clean and everyone else dirty.Because we are in environment where everyone dopes I focus myself on performance.I distrust Kenya politician selling integrity or change just like many Kenya's.I want to hear practical solutions to our problems.Dont tell me you will clean our politics.Tell me like Sonko you'll will clean our streets and I will listen.Ruto has very many such ideas.. around providing infrastructure, social services and improving gov services.I don't like Raila big words and zero track record.You can start from Kibera and see what Okoth a mere mp did.Ruto has a reputation of getting stuff done.Those are folks we need now.Look at Meles,Musevenis & kagames..those are corrupt dictators responsible for genocide..but their leadership is effective and common sensical.Who need talkers? we want doers.What biggest issue in Kenya... corruption or fact that only 15% 0f our roads are paved. For me the latter...let elevate such issues that are SMART to the top...Let contest be who will tarmac 50,000kms of roads in next 5 yrs...if you somehow give me roads like electricity now...I really will not care less if you become a dollar billionaire like Bill Gates.You are just public service wizard hahaha..like Pinochet or Suharto.. getting his 10% margin.But if you never steal a coin like Nyerere but end up manufacturing poverty and misery...like a Raila leadership has...then clearly you're good for nothing.Give me Jomo Kenyatta any day and have your Nyerere plus all his great empty speeches.Look at Triumph... evidence suggest he is better POTUS than Obama.Who cares if he is a clown..he get shiet done...

What double standard? I have admitted Babu or Uhuru are all dirty - the difference is they don't spread the cancer to Wanjiku. Spreading cancer to the the priest and Mama Mboga has a real impact and is an output more visible than GDP.
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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #93 on: October 17, 2019, 06:56:43 PM »
There goes whack theory of spreading cancer...how does fundraising spread corruption.Youre just an idiot.You think because Ruto give out 500mil it will motivate people to go steal than if he owned a county like the kenyattas.The only preaching Ruto does is for people to lead Christian Life, avoid alcohol, build churches and schools.

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #94 on: October 17, 2019, 06:57:41 PM »
Ruto is like Joe Biden. Riding on Obama positives like medicare or green energy or containing the financial meltdown. But he can't escape the Arab Spring and rise of ISIS and wars that have killed millions in the Middle East. He seemed shocked when Bernie Sanders pointed this out.

Ruto is smart and has done some good things yes. The downside is worse. I don't need to redux the many negatives of graft. It's a domino spiral to a bottomless abyss. The other day he said corruption cannot hinder development. 8)  That's all I need to know about his vision.
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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #95 on: October 17, 2019, 07:00:27 PM »
Uhuru Kenyatta is a drunkard.Ruto is very brilliant.Your hatred will not dim his brilliance, leadership and Management skills.What Kenya achieve in Jubilee 1.0 is down to Ruto.Wait for Uhuru Big Flop Agenda.Those are signature Uhuru and Ruto has little time for them...Ruto is big on roads, electricity and TIVET...big Flop Agenda of Uhuru will Flop so badly .Housing agenda is failing.Universal health dead as dodo.No leadership.No execution.No seriousness

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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #96 on: October 17, 2019, 07:06:39 PM »
There goes whack theory of spreading cancer...how does fundraising spread corruption.Youre just an idiot.You think because Ruto give out 500mil it will motivate people to go steal than if he owned a county like the kenyattas.

Yup. Ruto donates 20 million or more a month. Every Joe knows he is a big thief. Uhuru inherited Jomo loot but 30B is just a rumor from Ndii. Graft and evil is spread first and foremost by symbolism - it is why we have a whole chapter in the katiba. If Jomo and Moi did not entrench graft - cops would not be cashiers as folks die on the highway. Mau would not be under serious threat. Al Shaabab would not have slaughterered so many. There would be no mercury sugar. Fewer folks would die from kumi kumi. There would be no sex for grades and dodgy certficates. It is a bottomless pit and a national leader employing graft as his core strategy is no patriot or visionary worth any consideration.

So, the few roads or one-off Suharto story. That is the whack theory.
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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #97 on: October 17, 2019, 07:18:00 PM »
Uhuru Kenyatta is a drunkard.Ruto is very brilliant.Your hatred will not dim his brilliance, leadership and Management skills.What Kenya achieve in Jubilee 1.0 is down to Ruto.Wait for Uhuru Big Flop Agenda.Those are signature Uhuru and Ruto has little time for them...Ruto is big on roads, electricity and TIVET...big Flop Agenda of Uhuru will Flop so badly .Housing agenda is failing.Universal health dead as dodo.No leadership.No execution.No seriousness

I guess you blow hot n cold on Uhuru. There is 2day old thread about how he is nailing his legacy. A week earlier you said SGR had ended in a maize plantation in Narok. One minute he has pulled a jujitsu move - now you're onto Big Flop Agenda. If Uhuru endorses Ruto you will declare him a visionary. If he endorses Babu he is a failure and a lazy drunkard. You are the classic flip flop or pendulum.

The only good in Uhuru is scuttling Ruto and throwing Babu a life saver.
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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #98 on: October 17, 2019, 07:20:26 PM »
Pundit i could be wrong but Kagame or Meles are ruthless sleaze busters. Or well, China hangs thieves. Indonesia and Chile are outliers that don't help your case. Cause statistics.
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Re: Punguza Mizigo Vote
« Reply #99 on: October 17, 2019, 07:55:39 PM »
Uhuru legacy is what he achieved with Ruto...Ruto has given him space to nail his legacy...but two years on the big Flop Agenda is dead.His legacy will be great but wait for Ruto mega legacy.Ruto will redefine Kenya.