Saudi Oil Attack

[Nefertiti]

I agree with kadame about Iran and KSA. However this graphic is the sad reality. Israel has no intention to make peace or co-exist with Palestine. They aim to squeeze them out and this escalates daily with evictions and new settlements. You have Palestinian kids hurling stones at drones. The power gap is astronomical - it is like punching the wall. It is a matter of time before Palestine disappears. If I was Palestine I would move to Egypt or Jordan and build a life there.

[RV Pundit]

Very minimal difference between Islamic Republic of Iran and Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabias. They go beyond supporting Palestinians to many global Jihad goals amongst it's Shia muslim. Saudis are ruled by a coalition of religious nut cases spreading wahhabism & kingdom of Saudi. Iran is ruled by a coalition of religious nuts case (Khaemenis) with elected Prime Ministers.

At least Saudi Arabia - accepts the inevitability of the state of Israel - and at least the terrorism they spread is not state sanctioned like Iran - but rather Saudi Gov look aside as Wahhabism religious nutcase funds islamic causes. 

Arabs nations need to accept that Isreali is no going anywhere. It should not go anywhere because jews have been persecuted for many centuries. Once they agree - we can talk borders. The more they disagree - the more isreal grab more and more land. They will be left with Sinai only.

Conclusion: Iran need to retrace it's path toward secularism. The islamic revolution has failed. Turkey is going places because they defend their secularism very strongly.

I'm with vooke on this one all the way (except 4 the part about Israel ceasing to exist). The exporter of terrorism in the world is RSA. They are responsible for 90% plus of what we call modern Islamic terrorism. The Iranians are not doing anything different than what African countries did to support the ANC and their violent counterparts during apartheid. They are supporting freedom-fighters, not terrorists. Israel not only was built on stolen Arab lands (we can 4give that), it continues to the present day to steal land. That's what irks me. They are modern colonists from a bygone era. The Saudis are busy committing mass murder in Yemen, they are the worst country on earth after N.Korea, IMO.

[KenyanPlato]

Iran and Saudi antics are just to avoid internal democracy..so they focus on external strife to hoodwink the masses at home. A peaceful Iran won't have religious fundamentalists at the helm. Mbs is trying to reform the anemic Saudi economy and he has no confidence that he won't be challenged from within and that is paranoia with folks like Khashoggi. Yemen was is an internal political disagreement that Iran and Saudi have injected themselves into for their own internal self preservation.

Iran needs to ditch its Islamic Revolution bs and join the modern world. As for mbs his will be due to due to a revolution. I doubt Saudi can reform

[Nefertiti]

Iran and Saudi antics are just to avoid internal democracy..so they focus on external strife to hoodwink the masses at home. A peaceful Iran won't have religious fundamentalists at the helm. Mbs is trying to reform the anemic Saudi economy and he has no confidence that he won't be challenged from within and that is paranoia with folks like Khashoggi. Yemen was is an internal political disagreement that Iran and Saudi have injected themselves into for their own internal self preservation.

Iran needs to ditch its Islamic Revolution bs and join the modern world. As for mbs his will be due to due to a revolution. I doubt Saudi can reform

Iranian theocracy is stable and will stall progress for a long time. KSA revolution will be bloody but brief as the world goes green. Hungry folks will overthrow MBS and his house of Saudi.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I agree with kadame about Iran and KSA. However this graphic is the sad reality. Israel has no intention to make peace or co-exist with Palestine. They aim to squeeze them out and this escalates daily with evictions and new settlements. You have Palestinian kids hurling stones at drones. The power gap is astronomical - it is like punching the wall. It is a matter of time before Palestine disappears. If I was Palestine I would move to Egypt or Jordan and build a life there.

Israel has a demographic concern.  Even without incorporating Palestinians in occupied territories, the Israeli Arabs reproduce at a faster rate than the Jews.  There will come a time of reckoning once they run out of Jews interested in moving to Israel.

[Nefertiti]

bitmask - Israel plans to expel all non-Jews. The purist Bibi has been in power for decades with this implicit premise. Israeli Arabs are second class citizens and Yiddish was recently made the official language.

[vooke]

Very minimal difference between Islamic Republic of Iran and Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabias. They go beyond supporting Palestinians to many global Jihad goals amongst it's Shia muslim. Saudis are ruled by a coalition of religious nut cases spreading wahhabism & kingdom of Saudi. Iran is ruled by a coalition of religious nuts case (Khaemenis) with elected Prime Ministers.

At least Saudi Arabia - accepts the inevitability of the state of Israel - and at least the terrorism they spread is not state sanctioned like Iran - but rather Saudi Gov look aside as Wahhabism religious nutcase funds islamic causes. 

Arabs nations need to accept that Isreali is no going anywhere. It should not go anywhere because jews have been persecuted for many centuries. Once they agree - we can talk borders. The more they disagree - the more isreal grab more and more land. They will be left with Sinai only.

Conclusion: Iran need to retrace it's path toward secularism. The islamic revolution has failed. Turkey is going places because they defend their secularism very strongly.

I'm with vooke on this one all the way (except 4 the part about Israel ceasing to exist). The exporter of terrorism in the world is RSA. They are responsible for 90% plus of what we call modern Islamic terrorism. The Iranians are not doing anything different than what African countries did to support the ANC and their violent counterparts during apartheid. They are supporting freedom-fighters, not terrorists. Israel not only was built on stolen Arab lands (we can 4give that), it continues to the present day to steal land. That's what irks me. They are modern colonists from a bygone era. The Saudis are busy committing mass murder in Yemen, they are the worst country on earth after N.Korea, IMO.

As long as Israel continues illegal occupation, not respecting the original 1947 boundaries and as long as they treat Palestinians as dogs Israel will never know peace.

Israel is the aggressor here not Arabs. They have made one too many concessions.

[RV Pundit]

The countries that were involved in war with Isreal and are indeed neighbours have since moved on -Egypt Syria Jordan Iraq - and we have Iran & Saudis - johnny come lately - trying to use Isreal to disguise internal issues.

As long as US remain a superpower - there is very little that can be done to Isreal.

Hopefully a 2-state solution can be accepted and Palestine can exist as a nation.

As long as Israel continues illegal occupation, not respecting the original 1947 boundaries and as long as they treat Palestinians as dogs Israel will never know peace.

Israel is the aggressor here not Arabs. They have made one too many concessions.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit there will be no Palestine in 10 years. According to your changing map up there. Honestly that's for the best of the Palestinians. Blaming their poverty on the success of Israel. It would be a poor slum nation. Palestine is unviable.

[vooke]

The countries that were involved in war with Isreal and are indeed neighbours have since moved on -Egypt Syria Jordan Iraq - and we have Iran & Saudis - johnny come lately - trying to use Isreal to disguise internal issues.

As long as US remain a superpower - there is very little that can be done to Isreal.

Hopefully a 2-state solution can be accepted and Palestine can exist as a nation.

As long as Israel continues illegal occupation, not respecting the original 1947 boundaries and as long as they treat Palestinians as dogs Israel will never know peace.

Israel is the aggressor here not Arabs. They have made one too many concessions.

Arab league has never moved on. Palestinians remain a thorn in the flesh forever. Israel knows this and is ever edgy.

All needed to shake Israel is raining some few missiles there. I see this happening soon

[vooke]

Pundit there will be no Palestine in 10 years. According to your changing map up there. Honestly that's for the best of the Palestinians. Blaming their poverty on the success of Israel. It would be a poor slum nation. Palestine is unviable.

So why is Israel so desperate to deny them statehood if all they can ever be is a fourth word country?

If Israel was subjected to what Palestine faces for a mere 10 years they would vanish from the face of the earth.

[KenyanPlato]

I guess the questioj is can Israel survive without USA aid. What happens as a liberal or minority lead americqn stops focusing on Israel

[Dear Mami]

Pundit there will be no Palestine in 10 years. According to your changing map up there. Honestly that's for the best of the Palestinians. Blaming their poverty on the success of Israel. It would be a poor slum nation. Palestine is unviable.

What do you mean unviable? That's an extremely unfair judgment given this is a people being brutally sabotaged on a daily basis to ensure their disappearance. This is not an excuse: it is brutal fact.

[Dear Mami]

The countries that were involved in war with Isreal and are indeed neighbours have since moved on -Egypt Syria Jordan Iraq - and we have Iran & Saudis - johnny come lately - trying to use Isreal to disguise internal issues.

As long as US remain a superpower - there is very little that can be done to Isreal.

Hopefully a 2-state solution can be accepted and Palestine can exist as a nation.

As long as Israel continues illegal occupation, not respecting the original 1947 boundaries and as long as they treat Palestinians as dogs Israel will never know peace.

Israel is the aggressor here not Arabs. They have made one too many concessions.

The influence of foreign lobbies and lobbies in general in shaping U.S. policy is becoming more and more of an issue. Anything can change. One day you might wake up to a U.S. where Saudi and Israeli money and/or influence has been booted out of American politics. You never know. In any case, Israel gives zero benefit to the U.S. besides a weird symbolic thing. In fact, they create unnecessary foreign relations problems for them.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit there will be no Palestine in 10 years. According to your changing map up there. Honestly that's for the best of the Palestinians. Blaming their poverty on the success of Israel. It would be a poor slum nation. Palestine is unviable.

So why is Israel so desperate to deny them statehood if all they can ever be is a fourth word country?

If Israel was subjected to what Palestine faces for a mere 10 years they would vanish from the face of the earth.

True but reality is a mean, cold bitch. The US is the superpower and the Jews have influence. Here it is illegal in some states to boycott Israel. That's how influential they are. This partitioned poor, rickety Palestine is unviable. It is better to merge with Jordan and Egypt. Israel is only a half of their problems. Palestine's Arab cousins are poor in huge Sinai desert or Lebanon. 3rd world.  While Israel is the classic desert OASIS. They lead in dairy, irrigation, startups and R&D global centers. You cannot deny Jewish enterprise anymore than you can deny the Palestine haplessness.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Pundit there will be no Palestine in 10 years. According to your changing map up there. Honestly that's for the best of the Palestinians. Blaming their poverty on the success of Israel. It would be a poor slum nation. Palestine is unviable.

What do you mean unviable? That's an extremely unfair judgment given this is a people being brutally sabotaged on a daily basis to ensure their disappearance. This is not an excuse: it is brutal fact.

I think she means Migingo-style unviable.  Just a piece of rock.  Not the people on that rock.  But other than Likud and right-wingers in Israel who believe they can just push the Palestinians into the sea or other Arab countries, Israel is scared to death of a one state solution, because they would have to accept those Palestinians.

[RV Pundit]

Yes that problem - Palestinians are disappearing into Israel - and Isreal has started apartheid policy.

I think she means Migingo-style unviable.  Just a piece of rock.  Not the people on that rock.  But other than Likud and right-wingers in Israel who believe they can just push the Palestinians into the sea or other Arab countries, Israel is scared to death of a one state solution, because they would have to accept those Palestinians.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit there will be no Palestine in 10 years. According to your changing map up there. Honestly that's for the best of the Palestinians. Blaming their poverty on the success of Israel. It would be a poor slum nation. Palestine is unviable.

What do you mean unviable? That's an extremely unfair judgment given this is a people being brutally sabotaged on a daily basis to ensure their disappearance. This is not an excuse: it is brutal fact.

I think she means Migingo-style unviable.  Just a piece of rock.  Not the people on that rock.  But other than Likud and right-wingers in Israel who believe they can just push the Palestinians into the sea or other Arab countries, Israel is scared to death of a one state solution, because they would have to accept those Palestinians.

Yup. It is a geographical and economic non-starter. So they peg all industry or renaissance on independence. Evidence  shows fresh states fast sour into a malignant morass of decay, war and strife. Pray, Hamas and Fatah make a brutal go at each other very now and then. We see their true colors. Savages. There is nothing convincing about the Palestine dream.

[Nefertiti]

Israel is expelling them into the neighbor badlands. No attempt at integration or assimilation. Only persecution and apartheid. They will either be slaves or ship out. There will be no Palestine tomorrow.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Trump is now sending troops to Saudi Arabia.  I am not into conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't put it past him and Saudi Arabia to have been behind the "Iranian missile" attack.  The next attack might happen sometime in November once Congress starts to lay its hands on his financial information.  Depending on how that goes, it might not be long before we see a significant strike on Iran.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/462418-trump-approves-troop-deployment-in-response-to-attacks-on-saudi-oil-sites