Kibicho going down --4 Cabinet secretaries grilled on plan to kill Ruto

[RV Pundit]

So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.

Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.

What is secret about development?

Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.

The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.

Care quote where Kinoti alleges Ruto called him. Kinoti was called by PORK. Before this Kibicho for some months now has basically withdrawn police and prov administration from Ruto meetings. Ruto had a tiff with him and Uhuru asked a report.


What is not in denial is the CS meeting in the basement of the La Mada hotel without their phones. That is already very damaging for likes of Mucheru who clearly should know better.

You think killing Ruto takes 30 politicians plus businessmen?

[Kadudu]

Pundit, William Ruto is not Chris Msando. Of what value will these PSs bring in in an assasination? James Macharia cannot even organise the BRT for Nairobi in an orderly manner. How will he manage the assasination of the political kingpin of RV?
I have no idea of what these fellows were discussing, but an assasination would never be addressed to such a big crowd and with the wrong participants.

So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.

Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.

What is secret about development?

Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.

The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.

[vooke]

So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.

Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.

What is secret about development?

Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.

The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.

Care quote where Kinoti alleges Ruto called him. Kinoti was called by PORK. Before this Kibicho for some months now has basically withdrawn police and prov administration from Ruto meetings. Ruto had a tiff with him and Uhuru asked a report.


What is not in denial is the CS meeting in the basement of the La Mada hotel without their phones. That is already very damaging for likes of Mucheru who clearly should know better.

You think killing Ruto takes 30 politicians plus businessmen?

[RV Pundit]

Pundit, William Ruto is not Chris Msando. Of what value will these PSs bring in in an assasination? James Macharia cannot even organise the BRT for Nairobi in an orderly manner. How will he manage the assasination of the political kingpin of RV?
I have no idea of what these fellows were discussing, but an assasination would never be addressed to such a big crowd and with the wrong participants.

So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.

Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.

What is secret about development?

Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.

The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.

They talked about stopping Ruto using all means including assignation.CS kibicho is powerful head of internal security.You want Ruto to wait until he is dead.Besides they were dabbling in ethnic politics.Obviously Ruto by going frontal is aiming at crippling them.They are telling Uhuru to leverage handshake n extend his term.Right thinking gems political class and cs like Kiunjuri are urging Uhuru to retire.Who wins we shall see.

[vooke]

Pundit, William Ruto is not Chris Msando. Of what value will these PSs bring in in an assasination? James Macharia cannot even organise the BRT for Nairobi in an orderly manner. How will he manage the assasination of the political kingpin of RV?
I have no idea of what these fellows were discussing, but an assasination would never be addressed to such a big crowd and with the wrong participants.

So we should believe Munya spin. That Ruto made a phone call and they just went there. You got jokes. Some of those things require PORK authorisation.

Why are those meetings happening in basement and why are their phones seized.

What is secret about development?

Development are discussed at budget level - with Rotich presence - otherwise hiyo ni POROJO.

The meeting are basically attempt to use civil servants to do a political hatchet job after politician in Mt Kenya told them off.

They talked about stopping Ruto using all means including assignation.CS kibicho is powerful head of internal security.You want Ruto to wait until he is dead.Besides they were dabbling in ethnic politics.Obviously Ruto by going frontal is aiming at crippling them.They are telling Uhuru to leverage handshake n extend his term.Right thinking gems political class and cs like Kiunjuri are urging Uhuru to retire.Who wins we shall see.

Uhuru has nothing new to offer Kenya,and in 2022 it will be 20 years of Okoyu presidency. Those are more than enough reasons to roll over and die. Not just Uhuru but Okoyu.

But Ruto has been part of the presidency for ten years and he too has nothing to offer Kenya other than lusting after State House.

[RV Pundit]

Look like you got spooked. I am going by these events. These guys held secret meetings at behest Kibicho (who was acting at behest of Uhuru - who is being fed BS). The meetings were political. One of guys spoke about even Ruto going Saitoti way (assassination). Ruto got wind of it as you expect unless you're an idiot who think Ruto doesn't have ears and eyes on the ground.

And all that is not in the "fake" letter. 10 guys were summoned....including PDU head Mr Wakiau, Ps Dr Njoroge (Energy) and others - the letter only named 4 CS and Kibicho.

Ruto went with info to statehouses and ask Uhuru to investigate. Kibicho & Munya obviously have tried to spin this. First claiming Ruto called Mr Sang to summon ministers based on the fake letter circulating online.

What I can gather - in Mt kenya - there are two camps in statehouse or 3 ( pro-ruto, pro-uhuru, moderates) - Uhuru has obviously been fed tall lies by Kibicho & co about him extending his rule beyond 2022 by amending the katiba & working raila - there is another group consisting of mainly pro-Ruto politicians and civil services likes of kiunjuri - who are popular on ground and do not want to hear that - they want uhuru to appoint a successor and go home.

And there are moderates - these are likes of Kinyua, the lady in that fake letter, and others - who just want to do their job - they are ones trying to steady Jubilee ship under a drunken sailor. The moderates are guys confident of their CVs and would work with any gov. They are not political type - Kinyua is an example of such guys. He worked under Moi as Finance Ps, Kibaki and Uhuru as secretary to cabinet - and can work even under Raila because he knows how to get stuff done.

That is moronic version that should be easy even for you pastor.

The same kind of power play happened under every PORK -kenyatta,moi and kibaki. Saitoti lost out under MOi because Ruto was feeding Moi fitina about Saitoti and Biwwot. So Ruto has phd in these kind of games. Under Kibaki - I think Saitoti was winning Kibaki (he had already won PNU chair) but Uhuru went ahead and made a peace deal with Ruto....and overtook him.

In Kenyatta time - some like Njonjo, Kibaki and GK were pro-moi - while  Kenyatta close relatives like Mbiyu Koinage & his nephew Min of defence were against Moi - and wanted either Dr Mbiyu or that medical doctor of Kenyatta nephew (forget his name) to take over.

So this is just the replay of the INTENSE POWER PLAY - and Ruto has the experience of it - that he got under Moi. This time though Kibicho is powerful because he has NIS, CID and name it working for him - feeding Uhuru fitina. He also can block or restrict access to Uhuru - so MPs have not met Uhuru for 2yrs now. Ruto did the same whistle-blowing rumour mongering against Biwott and Saitoti - and they put in Uhuru.

What is working against Kibicho Phd Eng - no less - he has ZERO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE. He is in class 1 in politics. So this is "evenly" match but such mistakes like this one where he talks reckless in a "secret" meeting about talking Ruto going Saitoti way are costly blunders that will see him go down fast.One major blunder under alcohol saw the drunken Murathe lose Jubilee Vice-Chair job. Tuju is surviving by the whisker but clearly his stay is no longer tenable.

What works for Ruto is his political CV is just awesome, his experience in Moi kitchen cabinet and power play, his limitless finances, and his brilliance. Ruto obviously doesn't have official NIS - but he has his own NIS.

[Kadudu]

Uhuru is going to Gatundu come 2022. Apende asipende. It is the hangerson and his family who would wish him to hang on to power. The man is tired and his true colours have come out. Even his own backyard is turning on him. A clueless fellow who Gideon Moi should have let to rot at Cameo bar. Even hanging out with Baba will not save him. He will go down as the worst president Kenya ever had in history. He has only achieved to increase the wealth of his family and that of his close cronies. That will be his legacy and we can forget the infamous Big4 agenda.

Uhuru has nothing new to offer Kenya,and in 2022 it will be 20 years of Okoyu presidency. Those are more than enough reasons to roll over and die. Not just Uhuru but Okoyu.

But Ruto has been part of the presidency for ten years and he too has nothing to offer Kenya other than lusting after State House.

[RV Pundit]

Actually when not drunk - he is very intelligent - and has achieved a lot thanks to working alongside WSR. He need to be careful - because he can undo everything like Kibaki did in 2007.

Uhuru is going to Gatundu come 2022. Apende asipende. It is the hangerson and his family who would wish him to hang on to power. The man is tired and his true colours have come out. Even his own backyard is turning on him. A clueless fellow who Gideon Moi should have let to rot at Cameo bar. Even hanging out with Baba will not save him. He will go down as the worst president Kenya ever had in history. He has only achieved to increase the wealth of his family and that of his close cronies. That will be his legacy and we can forget the infamous Big4 agenda.

[Nefertiti]

Ruto has his natural pastoralist constituency - which is tiny minority - ergo you should worry about Central not the 172 Jubilee MPs.  Ruto has failed to get a grip on Gema - he tried to pull a fast one on Uhuru going direct - kuchokoza nyuki. Now Sonko, Kuria, wa Iria, Kanini Kega, Waiguru - they are all attacking him and calling for Uhuru 3rd term - iko chida.

Hold you horse(aka Raila) Robina - Jubilee stakeholders do not want that to happen - and are very aware of Raila trojan horse. There is no surprise element here. It Raila who is being led to the kraal.

Look who is supporting KIbicho - out 172 Jubilee mps - we got who? ODM Ngunjiri and Maoke Maora

[Pragmatic]

Uhuru is going to Gatundu come 2022. Apende asipende. It is the hangerson and his family who would wish him to hang on to power. The man is tired and his true colours have come out. Even his own backyard is turning on him. A clueless fellow who Gideon Moi should have let to rot at Cameo bar. Even hanging out with Baba will not save him. He will go down as the worst president Kenya ever had in history. He has only achieved to increase the wealth of his family and that of his close cronies. That will be his legacy and we can forget the infamous Big4 agenda.

Uhuru has nothing new to offer Kenya,and in 2022 it will be 20 years of Okoyu presidency. Those are more than enough reasons to roll over and die. Not just Uhuru but Okoyu.

But Ruto has been part of the presidency for ten years and he too has nothing to offer Kenya other than lusting after State House.

Well put, crystal clear and utterly factual about the events that culminated in the drunkard getting into politics. You seem to be very aware of this historical fact, must be agemates with these folk . Meantime, for the umpteenth time, Ruto Phd. is going home with the Drunkard. They are impostors on the people of Kenya and we can't be rid of them sooner!

May I also remind Bwana Pundit that Ruto has no leverage on the deep state, he has zero intelligence on what is going on and that is why he is only left with crying foul and these scare-crow antics that won't bring the real planning of how to deal with him out of the woodworks!

Even then hasn't it been rather obvious that the "Senile Babu" has a more clearer path to where he is headed than Man-Ruto the Phd holder extra-ordinaire. So much about "Senile Babu" being strung along....

[RV Pundit]

There is nothing like deep state maybe you watch too many American movies. We have people with political influences, with levers of powers, with money and their power brokers. What we are witnessing in Jubilee is intense power play as Uhuru terms come to the end or maybe not. There is jostling and pushing as the future is uncertain for some - and repositioning for others. Obviously the biggest price for Ruto and Raila is Uhuru - who has the money, the state machinery and the gema backyard.

If there was a deep state - ICC duo wouldn't be PORK and DPORK.

Well put, crystal clear and utterly factual about the events that culminated in the drunkard getting into politics. You seem to be very aware of this historical fact, must be agemates with these folk . Meantime, for the umpteenth time, Ruto Phd. is going home with the Drunkard. They are impostors on the people of Kenya and we can't be rid of them sooner!

May I also remind Bwana Pundit that Ruto has no leverage on the deep state, he has zero intelligence on what is going on and that is why he is only left with crying foul and these scare-crow antics that won't bring the real planning of how to deal with him out of the woodworks!

Even then hasn't it been rather obvious that the "Senile Babu" has a more clearer path to where he is headed than Man-Ruto the Phd holder extra-ordinaire. So much about "Senile Babu" being strung along....

[vooke]

Look like you got spooked. I am going by these events. These guys held secret meetings at behest Kibicho (who was acting at behest of Uhuru - who is being fed BS). The meetings were political. One of guys spoke about even Ruto going Saitoti way (assassination). Ruto got wind of it as you expect unless you're an idiot who think Ruto doesn't have ears and eyes on the ground.

And all that is not in the "fake" letter. 10 guys were summoned....including PDU head Mr Wakiau, Ps Dr Njoroge (Energy) and others - the letter only named 4 CS and Kibicho.

Ruto went with info to statehouses and ask Uhuru to investigate. Kibicho & Munya obviously have tried to spin this. First claiming Ruto called Mr Sang to summon ministers based on the fake letter circulating online.

What I can gather - in Mt kenya - there are two camps in statehouse or 3 ( pro-ruto, pro-uhuru, moderates) - Uhuru has obviously been fed tall lies by Kibicho & co about him extending his rule beyond 2022 by amending the katiba & working raila - there is another group consisting of mainly pro-Ruto politicians and civil services likes of kiunjuri - who are popular on ground and do not want to hear that - they want uhuru to appoint a successor and go home.

And there are moderates - these are likes of Kinyua, the lady in that fake letter, and others - who just want to do their job - they are ones trying to steady Jubilee ship under a drunken sailor. The moderates are guys confident of their CVs and would work with any gov. They are not political type - Kinyua is an example of such guys. He worked under Moi as Finance Ps, Kibaki and Uhuru as secretary to cabinet - and can work even under Raila because he knows how to get stuff done.

That is moronic version that should be easy even for you pastor.

The same kind of power play happened under every PORK -kenyatta,moi and kibaki. Saitoti lost out under MOi because Ruto was feeding Moi fitina about Saitoti and Biwwot. So Ruto has phd in these kind of games. Under Kibaki - I think Saitoti was winning Kibaki (he had already won PNU chair) but Uhuru went ahead and made a peace deal with Ruto....and overtook him.

In Kenyatta time - some like Njonjo, Kibaki and GK were pro-moi - while  Kenyatta close relatives like Mbiyu Koinage & his nephew Min of defence were against Moi - and wanted either Dr Mbiyu or that medical doctor of Kenyatta nephew (forget his name) to take over.

So this is just the replay of the INTENSE POWER PLAY - and Ruto has the experience of it - that he got under Moi. This time though Kibicho is powerful because he has NIS, CID and name it working for him - feeding Uhuru fitina. He also can block or restrict access to Uhuru - so MPs have not met Uhuru for 2yrs now. Ruto did the same whistle-blowing rumour mongering against Biwott and Saitoti - and they put in Uhuru.

What is working against Kibicho Phd Eng - no less - he has ZERO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE. He is in class 1 in politics. So this is "evenly" match but such mistakes like this one where he talks reckless in a "secret" meeting about talking Ruto going Saitoti way are costly blunders that will see him go down fast.One major blunder under alcohol saw the drunken Murathe lose Jubilee Vice-Chair job. Tuju is surviving by the whisker but clearly his stay is no longer tenable.

What works for Ruto is his political CV is just awesome, his experience in Moi kitchen cabinet and power play, his limitless finances, and his brilliance. Ruto obviously doesn't have official NIS - but he has his own NIS.

[RV Pundit]

You're not cut for this stuff. You cannot the simplest of dots.

Tell me where in the fake letters - does it mention - Njoroge, Kamua & Andrew Wakahiu

Mr Munya presented himself alongside Health CS Sicily Kariuki, ICT's Joe Mucheru, Energy Principal Secretary Joseph Njoroge, Petroleum PS Andrew Kamau and head of Presidential Delivery Unit Andrew Wakahiu to investigators at DCI on Monday morning.

[vooke]

You're not cut for this stuff. You cannot the simplest of dots.

Tell me where in the fake letters - does it mention - Njoroge, Kamua & Andrew Wakahiu

Mr Munya presented himself alongside Health CS Sicily Kariuki, ICT's Joe Mucheru, Energy Principal Secretary Joseph Njoroge, Petroleum PS Andrew Kamau and head of Presidential Delivery Unit Andrew Wakahiu to investigators at DCI on Monday morning.

[Nefertiti]

You still think Uhuru cares about Ruto career or safety. Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to take administrative action - the same Uhuru who stripped his JD to the bone? You even say Ruto has evidence of the CS's playing politics - like anyone cares. Now of course CS's and DCI report to Kibicho...  KDF and Judiciary are they in Kinoti grip too

I told you even spin requires intelligence.

Care quote where Kinoti alleges Ruto called him. Kinoti was called by PORK. Before this Kibicho for some months now has basically withdrawn police and prov administration from Ruto meetings. Ruto had a tiff with him and Uhuru asked a report.


What is not in denial is the CS meeting in the basement of the La Mada hotel without their phones. That is already very damaging for likes of Mucheru who clearly should know better.

[Nefertiti]

Lubbish!
This saga does not add up. Sicily Kariuki, Joseph Mucheru, James Macharia and Peter Munya are not the right thugs to communicate with about an assasination. These fellows are the least qualified for such an adventure. What would they gain out of it? Ruto had better get serious as these political and finicial minions just do not fit into the shoes he is trying to push them into.

And how does he know what they discussed let alone to kill him? Did he tap their phones which they didn't carry? Targeting people like Cecily Kariuki - looks like panic in Ruto camp.

[RV Pundit]

As you heard from Ruto sources - Ruto had requested the allegations be internally investigated but Uhuru went further & ordered those named to report to DCI.Ruto security was also beefed. The investigation doesn't include necessarily taking a statement. You can lawyer up and refuse to make a statement. That is what they did. Their lawyer is Munya.

[vooke]

You still think Uhuru cares about Ruto career or safety. Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to take administrative action - the same Uhuru who stripped his JD to the bone? You even say Ruto has evidence of the CS's playing politics - like anyone cares. Now of course CS's and DCI report to Kibicho...  KDF and Judiciary are they in Kinoti grip too

I told you even spin requires intelligence.

[vooke]

As you heard from Ruto sources - Ruto had requested the allegations be internally investigated but Uhuru went further & ordered those named to report to DCI.Ruto security was also beefed. The investigation doesn't include necessarily taking a statement. You can lawyer up and refuse to make a statement. That is what they did. Their lawyer is Munya.

[RV Pundit]

You still think Uhuru cares about Ruto career or safety. Ati Ruto wanted Uhuru to take administrative action - the same Uhuru who stripped his JD to the bone? You even say Ruto has evidence of the CS's playing politics - like anyone cares. Now of course CS's and DCI report to Kibicho...  KDF and Judiciary are they in Kinoti grip too

I told you even spin requires intelligence.