Trump Crushes Huawei

[Georgesoros]

Nope you're off on 5G as the beef. It's only a symptom. These are the furious kicks of a losing horse. They have issues with the whole Made in China 2025 not just Huawei. Basically China would have to shutter her progress and supplicate to appease the US. Not happening. Huawei won't conform - but strategically - cause for Xi and the Party such weakness is a BAD MOVE in war. Expect long haul cold war until a winner emerges - my $$ on the dragon. Huawei and other victims will be bruised badly in the crossfire - Apple, Tesla, Safaricom, etc.

China has most of Asia as a market - over 2billion people. What does USA have - 400million?
usa exports nothing but entertainment.
Youve got to look at this 10yrs down the road.

[Kadudu]

That is what you think. How come Huewei mobile phones cannot work without American technology if the US exports nothing?

China has most of Asia as a market - over 2billion people. What does USA have - 400million?
usa exports nothing but entertainment.
Youve got to look at this 10yrs down the road.

[RV Pundit]

Who said they cannot work without it? Huwaei already got 5G - without them - and that is the main beef here. Huwaei for some years now have been filling more patents than anyone.

It will take Huawei less than six months to whip out an OS and the whole shebang if need be. They are teaming with thousands of very smart engineers.

The loss of Western Market - will be compensated by Asia market - when China equally retaliate.

We are in inter-connected and inter-dependent world. Everyone wins or loses here.

That is what you think. How come Huewei mobile phones cannot work without American technology if the US exports nothing?

[Kadudu]

Exactly.
Having an OS is not the big issue. Samsumg has also its own OS, but would not dare market it openly. Where are the apps that run on it? The customers will not accept an OS with limited apps. Nobody has the patience to wait for months before enough apps are availble on a new OS.
If it were so easy to whip out an OS, then Samsung would have done that ages ago.

Who said they cannot work without it? Huwaei already got 5G - without them - and that is the main beef here. Huwaei for some years now have been filling more patents than anyone.

It will take Huawei less than six months to whip out an OS and the whole shebang if need be. They are teaming with thousands of very smart engineers.

The loss of Western Market - will be compensated by Asia market - when China equally retaliate.

We are in inter-connected and inter-dependent world. Everyone wins or loses here.

[Georgesoros]

That is what you think. How come Huewei mobile phones cannot work without American technology if the US exports nothing?

China has most of Asia as a market - over 2billion people. What does USA have - 400million?
usa exports nothing but entertainment.
Youve got to look at this 10yrs down the road.

USA tech and China tech are co dependent. Its going to be another Brexit to separate the two. The advantage China has is that it is a larger growing market vs USA that is smaller and saturated.

[Nefertiti]

Yes Parkerpen gets it. China is still an emerging market - cause the per capita is way below the West with huge potential. Same as India. I think it's short sighted what Trump is doing - you can't stop the Chinese from out-innovating the US industry while at the same time sanctioning EU and  everyone. Blocking expat visas yet whine about the Chinese Green Card - Thousand Talents. Very incoherent strategy. Made in China 2025 and everything Chinese is now the real beef but it's simply impossible to contain the Red Dragon.

[RV Pundit]

Chinese will wait and their gov will force them to wait - China will simply ban Android &  Ios (iPhone) - and that will give Huwaei the market support - it needs to survive - and as it figures out the global game. China has 1.5B population - enough to sustain it for sometimes - Apples and rest - will have to lose Chinese market.

Obviously Chinese are not going to rush before doing the maths. That difference btw them and US. Chinese leaders are mostly very smart - because their system is more a technocracy than democracy.

Exactly.
Having an OS is not the big issue. Samsumg has also its own OS, but would not dare market it openly. Where are the apps that run on it? The customers will not accept an OS with limited apps. Nobody has the patience to wait for months before enough apps are availble on a new OS.
If it were so easy to whip out an OS, then Samsung would have done that ages ago.

Who said they cannot work without it? Huwaei already got 5G - without them - and that is the main beef here. Huwaei for some years now have been filling more patents than anyone.

It will take Huawei less than six months to whip out an OS and the whole shebang if need be. They are teaming with thousands of very smart engineers.

The loss of Western Market - will be compensated by Asia market - when China equally retaliate.

We are in inter-connected and inter-dependent world. Everyone wins or loses here.

[RV Pundit]

I am suprised that US tech companies are not complaining. This is the start of end of US tech. Once you allow politics into this - nobody will invest long term in tech ecosystem - trump can turn on and off. Therefore China and rest will look for other solutions. Microsoft was untouchable but they started messing around. Linux took them down eventually. Chinese are already ahead of the game - and US response is INSANITY 101.

Trump should think about investing more in tech industries - not stifling China tech.

When USSR got to the space earlier than American - US didn't ban USSR - they decided to invest heavily in education and research - and NASA has been untouchable since.

Trump has billions of dollars it can throw into R & D into 5G or even 10G - and make the US truly great again.

Yes Parkerpen gets it. China is still an emerging market - cause the per capita is way below the West with huge potential. Same as India. I think it's short sighted what Trump is doing - you can't stop the Chinese from out-innovating the US industry while at the same time sanctioning EU and  everyone. Blocking expat visas yet whine about the Chinese Green Card - Thousand Talents. Very incoherent strategy. Made in China 2025 and everything Chinese is now the real beef but it's simply impossible to contain the Red Dragon.

[Nefertiti]

Yup - Xi will ban even Samsung - and allow in-built tech to thrive like Alibaba or Tencent. Just add Google and Apple to the Great Firewall like Facebook. The US must address what is the root cause of losing the competitive edge to China. I think so long as China remains as productive as the West - with 1.3B folks the US will lose really bad in the coming years.

Chinese will wait and their gov will force them to wait - China will simply ban Android &  Ios (iPhone) - and that will give Huwaei the market support - it needs to survive - and as it figures out the global game. China has 1.5B population - enough to sustain it for sometimes - Apples and rest - will have to lose Chinese market.

Obviously Chinese are not going to rush before doing the maths. That difference btw them and US. Chinese leaders are mostly very smart - because their system is more a technocracy than democracy.

Exactly.
Having an OS is not the big issue. Samsumg has also its own OS, but would not dare market it openly. Where are the apps that run on it? The customers will not accept an OS with limited apps. Nobody has the patience to wait for months before enough apps are availble on a new OS.
If it were so easy to whip out an OS, then Samsung would have done that ages ago.

Who said they cannot work without it? Huwaei already got 5G - without them - and that is the main beef here. Huwaei for some years now have been filling more patents than anyone.

It will take Huawei less than six months to whip out an OS and the whole shebang if need be. They are teaming with thousands of very smart engineers.

The loss of Western Market - will be compensated by Asia market - when China equally retaliate.

We are in inter-connected and inter-dependent world. Everyone wins or loses here.

[Nefertiti]

It is possible to invest heavy in R&D or tech but due to politics - US is very incoherent where Obama start one thing - Trump cancel - etc. That is the cost of democracy compared to China system. Smart well-honed folks line the bureaucracy top to bottom. In US you have new folks every election. Communism basically means 1.3B folks fall in line when Xi make the battle cry. In the US I doubt folks can even be ordered to buy anything by the government.

Its's a no-brainer who will win this one.

I am suprised that US tech companies are not complaining. This is the start of end of US tech. Once you allow politics into this - nobody will invest long term in tech ecosystem - trump can turn on and off. Therefore China and rest will look for other solutions. Microsoft was untouchable but they started messing around. Linux took them down eventually. Chinese are already ahead of the game - and US response is INSANITY 101.

Trump should think about investing more in tech industries - not stifling China tech.

When USSR got to the space earlier than American - US didn't ban USSR - they decided to invest heavily in education and research - and NASA has been untouchable since.

Trump has billions of dollars it can throw into R & D into 5G or even 10G - and make the US truly great again.

[RV Pundit]

Huwaei says they have had Android replacement sitting ready for Trump.

[vooke]

Huwaei says they have had Android replacement sitting ready for Trump.

Empty bravado. Window,Blackberry,Tizen.....a new OS is not a big deal, getting developers on board is.

[Kadudu]

Pundit does not want to get. even Samsung has an OS with the name of Tizen. Ever heard of it? Samsung even sells more mobile phones than Huawei but would not dare try market the OS.

Empty bravado. Window,Blackberry,Tizen.....a new OS is not a big deal, getting developers on board is.

[RV Pundit]

The days when apps were developed for one ecosystem is long gone. They are now tools - that allow you to compile - you app - to any device. Therefore the amount of work needed to get HongKeng version of thd app is simple. These are existing tools that Huwaei can simply make it available for free. Convert you android app to HongMeng in a second! kind of thing.

For example - MechDome is a Developer Tool that Automatically Converts Android to Ios.

Which developer will ignore the China market of 1B devices?

At end of the day - Ios or Android - all sit on top of unix - and so will many future OS.

Empty bravado. Window,Blackberry,Tizen.....a new OS is not a big deal, getting developers on board is.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I am suprised that US tech companies are not complaining. This is the start of end of US tech. Once you allow politics into this - nobody will invest long term in tech ecosystem - trump can turn on and off. Therefore China and rest will look for other solutions. Microsoft was untouchable but they started messing around. Linux took them down eventually. Chinese are already ahead of the game - and US response is INSANITY 101.

Trump should think about investing more in tech industries - not stifling China tech.

When USSR got to the space earlier than American - US didn't ban USSR - they decided to invest heavily in education and research - and NASA has been untouchable since.

Trump has billions of dollars it can throw into R & D into 5G or even 10G - and make the US truly great again.

That is what has the potential to hurt the US, long term.   One of America's most important intangibles has always been the independence of private investments from the government of the day.  The fairness and integrity of the system is not supposed to be upended by a lunatic.  But Trump is changing that perception on a daily basis.

[vooke]

The days when apps were developed for one ecosystem is long gone. They are now tools - that allow you to compile - you app - to any device. Therefore the amount of work needed to get HongKeng version of thd app is simple. These are existing tools that Huwaei can simply make it available for free. Convert you android app to HongMeng in a second! kind of thing.

For example - MechDome is a Developer Tool that Automatically Converts Android to Ios.

Which developer will ignore the China market of 1B devices?

At end of the day - Ios or Android - all sit on top of unix - and so will many future OS.

Empty bravado. Window,Blackberry,Tizen.....a new OS is not a big deal, getting developers on board is.

Operating system.is the least of their worries.

They have access to Android minus Google Services

They have to contend with ARM, develop their own chips independent of ARM which I read will take years or months

How do the phones run without modems,radio,GPS?

But I see this being resolved amicably

[Nefertiti]

The OS ecosystem like Android Play Store takes years to build. But Huawei with a Billion patriots will be frogmarched into success. This war will make that company strong. I see Android and iOS and Windows losing a B customers overnight.

[RV Pundit]

Resolved or not - Chinese tech companies armed with billion of dollars are not going to wait for Trump to use them as bait in his "Art of  deal making" in the future. Expect Chinese to invest massively in building their own tech or even buying US companies - and shifting operation to China.

Operating system.is the least of their worries.

They have access to Android minus Google Services

They have to contend with ARM, develop their own chips independent of ARM which I read will take years or months

How do the phones run without modems,radio,GPS?

But I see this being resolved amicably

[Georgesoros]

The OS ecosystem like Android Play Store takes years to build. But Huawei with a Billion patriots will be frogmarched into success. This war will make that company strong. I see Android and iOS and Windows losing a B customers overnight.

Yap. China has the numbers. USA does not.
BTW, USA foreign policies, especially business have been coherent until Trump.

[Nefertiti]

The OS ecosystem like Android Play Store takes years to build. But Huawei with a Billion patriots will be frogmarched into success. This war will make that company strong. I see Android and iOS and Windows losing a B customers overnight.

Yap. China has the numbers. USA does not.
BTW, USA foreign policies, especially business have been coherent until Trump.

Trump is a mono-minded fool. I thought stuff like global warming is a hoax was just campaign rhetoric until dude took power. All his moves - cancel TPP, climate accord, Iran deal, Green Card restrictions - and now this anti-China hysteria - naive approach to complex challenges. Trump really lacks sophistication and treats everything as a "deal". He is an escalator of the US downfall.