Jubilee economy grows everywhere

[KenyanPlato]

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In your fucking dreams. We are now on a fiscal cliff and famine or drought may just tumble us to our deaths

Economy ya leli. Sgr is the silver bullet to hell. Why the hell would someon tarmack bomet. The place is dry and hilly like hell

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001318146/debts-gobble-up-sh870b-in-nine-months-amid-reduced-revenues

[RV Pundit]

Kiambu is productive because amongst other reasons it has 2000kms plus of tarmac..the highest in the country outside Nairobi.Other counties don't even have 500km.That need to change.Nyandarua fortunes have changed when kimunya fixed tarmac during his tenure as finance ministry..now per capita wise it beats Kiambu with Elgeyo Marakwet.Leli au Reli lazima ifike Malaba for it to make sense.Halafu we need to rehabilitate the old one including in central all way to Nyahururu.Then baadaye lapset pia ifanye....

[patel]

I dig this economy of infrastructure but I think we have it upside down.  You borrow money, you bring foreign contractors then after they are done you pay operating cost...why not invest in machinery and technical know how then resuscitate ministry of works or have NYS with the help of army Corp engineers building this infrastructure. Just think about, Uhuru finance minister Rotich had 9 billions for the dams, cash money, instead of using the money to buy heavy equipment or build 1-2 dams he used the money to insure a 65 billion loan...maajabu and you want to tell me this will grow the economy, how?

[RVtitem]

I dig this economy of infrastructure but I think we have it upside down.  You borrow money, you bring foreign contractors then after they are done you pay operating cost...why not invest in machinery and technical know how then resuscitate ministry of works or have NYS with the help of army Corp engineers building this infrastructure. Just think about, Uhuru finance minister Rotich had 9 billions for the dams, cash money, instead of using the money to buy heavy equipment or build 1-2 dams he used the money to insure a 65 billion loan...maajabu and you want to tell me this will grow the economy, how?

You are overthinking.

[RV Pundit]

Okay the Italian insurance sounds very crazy - like 12% of the project cost. I know initially local insurance had given them a bond of around 500M - which they rejected for international insurance.

All commercials loans really need to be insured. This is true for you and gov. Chinese EXIM banks insist on you getting a SinoSure(China Export and Credit Insurance Corporation) insurance. So for SGR we paid I think something like 2%.

The problem of local contractors is 1) corruption 2) capacity 3) they don't really have any reputation risk to care - so we need to have them doing low risk low value projects.

I dig this economy of infrastructure but I think we have it upside down.  You borrow money, you bring foreign contractors then after they are done you pay operating cost...why not invest in machinery and technical know how then resuscitate ministry of works or have NYS with the help of army Corp engineers building this infrastructure. Just think about, Uhuru finance minister Rotich had 9 billions for the dams, cash money, instead of using the money to buy heavy equipment or build 1-2 dams he used the money to insure a 65 billion loan...maajabu and you want to tell me this will grow the economy, how?

[KenyanPlato]

Kiambu is productive because amongst other reasons it has 2000kms plus of tarmac..the highest in the country outside Nairobi.Other counties don't even have 500km.That need to change.Nyandarua fortunes have changed when kimunya fixed tarmac during his tenure as finance ministry..now per capita wise it beats Kiambu with Elgeyo Marakwet.Leli au Reli lazima ifike Malaba for it to make sense.Halafu we need to rehabilitate the old one including in central all way to Nyahururu.Then baadaye lapset pia ifanye....

You do not know what you are talkimg about. You are Mr know it all. You even know when i peed last. My place never had tarmac but tea and hard work does the trick. My dad is 81 years and works a 40 hour week supervising his employees. All villagers in my area does the same. Our productivity is very high. We adapt and change to the market needs at the drop of the dime. My area was barren land abandoned by dorobos. We bought manure from maasai land and used it to improve the poor soils depleted by Wattle trees and shrubs. As a kid i worked I remember planting tea bushes as a 5 year old and planting nappier grass. This work ethic is still my biggest asset. I can work 18 hours. Meanwhile Turkanas and kalenjins cannot work a 6 hour day without complaining and crying like teething babies. I never knew how lazy nandi men are until I came across my peers here in USA and seen most of these buggers in Nairobi. A kalenjin man is the most lazy fucking sloth. They would rather drink and do nothing. You are not cut out for the life of hard work. Your nomadic traits are still strong sleeping while kids and women work 

[RV Pundit]

Fact is Kiambu has had the presidency the longest of any county. Kenyatta built roads. The nonsense about hardwork - is laughable. The hardest working people I know of are Turkana women who fetch water 20kms every day with donkeys. If your mother had to walk all the way to Maa mahiu and back through that Kijabe - you'd be as dead as a mende of Kimende. As for Kalenjin - I can speak for ourselves - most kalenjin are (were) "children" of privelege - who don't do menial back-breaking labour - we have gusiis, luos and luhyas to do that job - who smoke week and get shiet don.If not we got tractors to do such kind of jobs. I don't recall any day we haven't had farm workers - mostly Gusii and maybe one kalenjin herdman or general worket. Obviously this made sense when land was huge...but now the land sizes are become as tiny as kiambu - and Kalenjin are now working their butt off.

Anyway don't distract us to talk about Kimende - and Kijabe - we know without Nairobi and great climates and gov privelege from Kenyattas  - you'd be VERY VERY POOR.

You do not know what you are talkimg about. You are Mr know it all. You even know when i peed last. My place never had tarmac but tea and hard work does the trick. My dad is 81 years and works a 40 hour week supervising his employees. All villagers in my area does the same. Our productivity is very high. We adapt and change to the market needs at the drop of the dime. My area was barren land abandoned by dorobos. We bought manure from maasai land and used it to improve the poor soils depleted by Wattle trees and shrubs. As a kid i worked I remember planting tea bushes as a 5 year old and planting nappier grass. This work ethic is still my biggest asset. I can work 18 hours. Meanwhile Turkanas and kalenjins cannot work a 6 hour day without complaining and crying like teething babies. I never knew how lazy nandi men are until I came across my peers here in USA and seen most of these buggers in Nairobi. A kalenjin man is the most lazy fucking sloth. They would rather drink and do nothing. You are not cut out for the life of hard work. Your nomadic traits are still strong sleeping while kids and women work 

[KenyanPlato]

Fact is Kiambu has had the presidency the longest of any county. Kenyatta built roads. The nonsense about hardwork - is laughable. The hardest working people I know of are Turkana women who fetch water 20kms every day with donkeys. If your mother had to walk all the way to Maa mahiu and back through that Kijabe - you'd be as dead as a mende of Kimende. As for Kalenjin - I can speak for ourselves - most kalenjin are (were) "children" of privelege - who don't do menial back-breaking labour - we have gusiis, luos and luhyas to do that job - who smoke week and get shiet don.If not we got tractors to do such kind of jobs. I don't recall any day we haven't had farm workers - mostly Gusii and maybe one kalenjin herdman or general worket. Obviously this made sense when land was huge...but now the land sizes are become as tiny as kiambu - and Kalenjin are now working their butt off.

Anyway don't distract us to talk about Kimende - and Kijabe - we know without Nairobi and great climates and gov privelege from Kenyattas  - you'd be VERY VERY POOR.

You do not know what you are talkimg about. You are Mr know it all. You even know when i peed last. My place never had tarmac but tea and hard work does the trick. My dad is 81 years and works a 40 hour week supervising his employees. All villagers in my area does the same. Our productivity is very high. We adapt and change to the market needs at the drop of the dime. My area was barren land abandoned by dorobos. We bought manure from maasai land and used it to improve the poor soils depleted by Wattle trees and shrubs. As a kid i worked I remember planting tea bushes as a 5 year old and planting nappier grass. This work ethic is still my biggest asset. I can work 18 hours. Meanwhile Turkanas and kalenjins cannot work a 6 hour day without complaining and crying like teething babies. I never knew how lazy nandi men are until I came across my peers here in USA and seen most of these buggers in Nairobi. A kalenjin man is the most lazy fucking sloth. They would rather drink and do nothing. You are not cut out for the life of hard work. Your nomadic traits are still strong sleeping while kids and women work 

We employ the same group of people mostly Abagusiis. They usually come from large farms in limuru. We used to have a large number of Ugandans who I think were wagisu. They have since relocated back to Uganda. We have two generations of Kisiis. Some came in early 80s and have never gone back home. It is not unusual for farmers to have a geatric gusii man that dies and is burried at the farm after approval from the family in kisii. One man known as officer due to his physique and demeanour when drank was burried in my village by a family. He had been with this family for 30 years and died there due to old age. His family had not seen him for over 20 years and gave consent for him to be hurried. He was burried in the family grave yard

[KenyanPlato]

Gusiis are hard workers but those with drinking problems tend to be very problematic. Hoping from one job to the other. They decimated all the oaks trees and pine trees with mushmeno. One guy Michael made over 300,000 but left all of it at the bar. He would be paid 3k back in 1985 and by Monday morning he would have blown it on alcohol and women. He left the village with nothing even his saw had been auctioned due to rent arrears. He went back to kericho and i am told he got a new mushmeno and headed to moshi. He was barren and had a very beautiful woman. This lady and her sister had fled kisii witch hunters who killed their parents. The sister is now a fully pledged agikuyu woman married to the local rastaman who owns a shop and 6 acre horticulture farm. I cannot imagine the horror these two ladies endured to have their parents killed in witch lynchings. Kisiis are real cruel on this witchcraft nonsense