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No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« on: March 23, 2019, 10:17:47 AM »
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2019, 10:29:24 AM »
Okay so we are now in MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction. This will be interesting.

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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2019, 10:37:32 AM »
Okay so we are now in MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction. This will be interesting.

Your man needs an adviser. I am open to offer free advise at any time. The enemy of my enemy is (malizia)

But first he MUST NOT respond to Uhuru directly or publicly
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2019, 10:38:44 AM »
Okay so we are now in MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction. This will be interesting.
There is no MAD. Uhuru controls the levers of state power. He is just too slow to destroy Ruto. He lacks the killer instinct.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2019, 10:52:05 AM »
Uhuru is lame-duck. 2010 constitution trims his powers drastically. He is not a politician who can make things happen. He is just relying on Raila for backup.As for Ruto - he is battle-hardened general. Ask Raila. Ruto has incredible energy and you don't want to make enemies with him. And Ruto pulls no punches. Once it game on - it's game on.

Ultimately I feel sorry for 1m kikuyu & Kalenjin diaspora - who will be victims of this war.I mean the worse Uhuru can do is to sack Ruto people in gov and bring in Raila people. That will spark war in RV and he will have destabilized the country.

The other actions he can take (like fight against "graft") can easily be countered through judiciary or parliament.

There is no MAD. Uhuru controls the levers of state power. He is just too slow to destroy Ruto. He lacks the killer instinct.

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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2019, 11:02:20 AM »
By responding to Uhuru publicly he has forced action against himself.

If Uhuru ignores it, he loses face and Ruto gains in stature. The most recent example of insubordination is when General Chiwenga openly criticized Mugabe. There was no doubt that something or someone had to give. Mugabe hesitated and he is in forced late retirement.

If Uhuru hesitates in taking decisive action, Ruto will own him faster than one can say "coup". The generals and others in government will be watching to see where real power rests. Uhuru by remaining silent and inactive will be telling all that the man to fear is Ruto and that will not be in the GEMA interests.

Uhuru has no choice but to cause the removal of Ruto as soon as possible. Another option is to cause some kind of public humiliation to remind the public he (Uhuru) is still the King of the Hill.

On the other hand if Ruto had a plan to get rid of Uhuru now is the time to put it in to action. By publishing that tweet, he effectively put an end to any secret plan and brought it out in the open.


Uhuru is lame-duck. 2010 constitution trims his powers drastically. He is not a politician who can make things happen. He is just relying on Raila for backup.As for Ruto - he is battle-hardened general. Ask Raila. Ruto has incredible energy and you don't want to make enemies with him. And Ruto pulls no punches. Once it game on - it's game on.

Ultimately I feel sorry for 1m kikuyu & Kalenjin diaspora - who will be victims of this war.I mean the worse Uhuru can do is to sack Ruto people in gov and bring in Raila people. That will spark war in RV and he will have destabilized the country.

The other actions he can take (like fight against "graft") can easily be countered through judiciary or parliament.

There is no MAD. Uhuru controls the levers of state power. He is just too slow to destroy Ruto. He lacks the killer instinct.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2019, 11:26:23 AM »
You're basically describing MAD - which explain why Uhuru 3M facebook account - the biggest in Africa is now in limbo. Both knows that if they cross the rubicon river - there will be no turning back - and it will be fight that will probably destroy both of them.

Now Let us be specific. What actions do you think Uhuru can unleash? Unless you mean he does things extra-judicially - he cannot fire Ruto. Ruto is going to stay in Karen DPORK official residence the next 5yrs which explain why he turned his Karen house into a hotel and moved to DPORK house in Karen.

The action that Uhuru people seem to favor now is perhaps graft. Ruto already knows that - and is doing somewhat great job - turning the fight into political battle. That is all this will come to - Uhuru can proceed to charge Ruto or his people - and they are already lawyered up - and that pretty much the end of Kinoti usefulness Mwilu is still at work.

Uhuru already took the supervision job from Ruto to Matiangi.  Matiangi seem already overwhelmed and Ruto had to step in to help Turkana & Baringo famine. The problem for Uhuru is finding someone who can do gov and political heavy-lifting like Ruto does effortless - Matiangi will be sabotaged by fellow ministers and he lacks the political adeptness needed. Uhuru himself is lazy if not drunk most of the time.

Anyway long and short of this. GEMA are in fix!. First time the prospect of leaving power is REAL. Uhuru is facing term limit constraint and he doesn't want to appoint successor or go home. GEMA now find itself having to choose either Ruto or Raila. That makes them very unhappy. I think they will choose the evil they know - Ruto - has worked with them pretty well - and GEMA are mad at Uhuru for starting this war. There is no one in GEMA who can step up in short notice for Uhuru - no Kibaki & Matiba or Kibaki & Uhuru - who has won enough national credibility to be considered for PORK.

And that is their biggest dillema. They want to abuse Raila to tame Ruto but have no end game. I think we might finally get federalism out this.


By responding to Uhuru publicly he has forced action against himself.

If Uhuru ignores it, he loses face and Ruto gains in stature. The most recent example of insubordination is when General Chiwenga openly criticized Mugabe. There was no doubt that something or someone had to give. Mugabe hesitated and he is in forced late retirement.

If Uhuru hesitates in taking decisive action, Ruto will own him faster than one can say "coup". The generals and others in government will be watching to see where real power rests. Uhuru by remaining silent and inactive will be telling all that the man to fear is Ruto and that will not be in the GEMA interests.

Uhuru has no choice but to cause the removal of Ruto as soon as possible. Another option is to cause some kind of public humiliation to remind the public he (Uhuru) is still the King of the Hill.

On the other hand if Ruto had a plan to get rid of Uhuru now is the time to put it in to action. By publishing that tweet, he effectively put an end to any secret plan and brought it out in the open.


Uhuru is lame-duck. 2010 constitution trims his powers drastically. He is not a politician who can make things happen. He is just relying on Raila for backup.As for Ruto - he is battle-hardened general. Ask Raila. Ruto has incredible energy and you don't want to make enemies with him. And Ruto pulls no punches. Once it game on - it's game on.

Ultimately I feel sorry for 1m kikuyu & Kalenjin diaspora - who will be victims of this war.I mean the worse Uhuru can do is to sack Ruto people in gov and bring in Raila people. That will spark war in RV and he will have destabilized the country.

The other actions he can take (like fight against "graft") can easily be countered through judiciary or parliament.

There is no MAD. Uhuru controls the levers of state power. He is just too slow to destroy Ruto. He lacks the killer instinct.



By responding to Uhuru publicly he has forced action against himself.

If Uhuru ignores it, he loses face and Ruto gains in stature. The most recent example of insubordination is when General Chiwenga openly criticized Mugabe. There was no doubt that something or someone had to give. Mugabe hesitated and he is in forced late retirement.

If Uhuru hesitates in taking decisive action, Ruto will own him faster than one can say "coup". The generals and others in government will be watching to see where real power rests. Uhuru by remaining silent and inactive will be telling all that the man to fear is Ruto and that will not be in the GEMA interests.

Uhuru has no choice but to cause the removal of Ruto as soon as possible. Another option is to cause some kind of public humiliation to remind the public he (Uhuru) is still the King of the Hill.

On the other hand if Ruto had a plan to get rid of Uhuru now is the time to put it in to action. By publishing that tweet, he effectively put an end to any secret plan and brought it out in the open.


Uhuru is lame-duck. 2010 constitution trims his powers drastically. He is not a politician who can make things happen. He is just relying on Raila for backup.As for Ruto - he is battle-hardened general. Ask Raila. Ruto has incredible energy and you don't want to make enemies with him. And Ruto pulls no punches. Once it game on - it's game on.

Ultimately I feel sorry for 1m kikuyu & Kalenjin diaspora - who will be victims of this war.I mean the worse Uhuru can do is to sack Ruto people in gov and bring in Raila people. That will spark war in RV and he will have destabilized the country.

The other actions he can take (like fight against "graft") can easily be countered through judiciary or parliament.

There is no MAD. Uhuru controls the levers of state power. He is just too slow to destroy Ruto. He lacks the killer instinct.

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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2019, 11:43:47 AM »
Ever since I inadvertently offered a despot advise on how to beat rebels and stay in power, I try hard to resist answering questions like the one you now ask. If I tell you the options open to Uhuru, I would effectively be advising Uhuru on how to beat Ruto and that is NOT in my interests. We can ofcourse have a private discussion

Suffice is to say:

1. Something or someone MUST give deliberately or by default
2. The onus is upon Uhuru since Ruto has crossed the Rubicon Pretending he has not is worse than lying.

Here is what Ruto has done:

a. He has publicly contradicted his boss who happens to be The PORK
b. He has questioned Uhuru Kenyatta's leadership in public
c. He has declared a counter war against Uhuru again in public

For a fraction of the above stuff, Kenyatta would order you quartered and your balls fried specially for his dog while Moi would dissolve you in acid.

I feel compelled to address the issue of EJ (Extra Judicially) that you raised:

Before Zimbabwe no government in Africa had ever been overthrown because a vice president was fired. Still on the boos is the fact that no government has ever been overthrown because the VP was murdered. There is usually noise - a lot of noise - but it calms down and life goes on.
You're basically describing MAD - which explain why Uhuru 3M facebook account - the biggest in Africa is now in limbo. Both knows that if they cross the rubicon river - there will be no turning back - and it will be fight that will probably destroy both of them.

Now Let us be specific. What actions do you think Uhuru can unleash? Unless you mean he does things extra-judicially - he cannot fired Ruto. Ruto is going to stay in Karen the next 5yrs which explain why he turned his Karen house into a hotel and moved to DPORK house in Karen.

The action that Uhuru people seem to favor now is perhaps graft. Ruto already knows that - and is doing somewhat great job - characteristic the fight as political fight targeting him and his people. That is all this will come to - Uhuru can proceed to charge Ruto or his people - and they are already lawyered up - and that pretty much it.DCJ Mwilu is still at work.

Uhuru already took the supervision job from Ruto to Matiangi.  Matiangi seem already overwhelmed and Ruto had to step in to help Turkana & Baringo famine. The problem for Uhuru is finding someone who can do gov and political heavy-lifting like Ruto does effortless - Matiangi will be sabotaged by fellow ministers and he lacks the political adeptness needed. Uhuru himself is lazy if not drunk most of the time.

Anyway long and short of this. GEMA are in fix!. First time the prospect of leaving power is REAL. Uhuru is facing term limit constraint and he doesn't want to appoint successor or go home. GEMA now find itself having to choose either Ruto or Raila. That makes them very unhappy. I think they will choose the evil they know - Ruto - has worked with them pretty well - and GEMA are mad at Uhuru for starting this war. There is no one in GEMA who can step up in short notice for Uhuru - no Kibaki & Matiba or Kibaki & Uhuru - who has won enough national credibility to be considered for PORK.

And that is their biggest dillema. They want to abuse Raila to tame Ruto but have no end game. I think we might finally get federalism out this.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2019, 11:51:34 AM »
I didn't catch any of that. Are you suggesting Uhuru uses extra-judicial means? or what. I mean he cannot fire DPORK like Mugabe or Moi or Kibaki could fire their opponents.  He can fire Ruto men one by one - those that don't enjoy security of tenure - like Shebale Slum dog Acheza - but ultimately he cannot touch Ruto position. I think that embolden Ruto. He also cannot out-bribe Ruto. Ruto took 5yrs meticously building a warchest - and that is what made Uhuru mad. He thought Ruto was a stupid gishagi boy from Sugoi - but when NIS presented evidence of Ruto wealth - he was shocked. And that is what Uhuru has been struggling with it - accepting the reality that Ruto has out-stolen him. It's like Moi and GEMA. GEMA thought MOI was stupid....only to later find out Moi & Biwott had literally stolen half of kenya. So Ruto clearly knows this graft fight is the as result of NIS & OP - doing a Kroll Associates on Ruto alleged wealth - and discovering that he stashed an incredible loot - by getting 10% nearly everywhere.

Ever since I inadvertently offered a despot advise on how to beat rebels and stay in power, I try hard to resist answering questions like the one you now ask. If I tell you the options open to Uhuru, I would effectively be advising Uhuru on how to beat Ruto and that is NOT in my interests.

Suffice is to say:

1. Something or someone MUST give deliberately or by default
2. The onus is upon Uhuru since Ruto has crossed the Rubicon Pretending he has not is worse than lying.

Here is what Ruto has done:

a. He has publicly contradicted his boss who happens to be The PORK
b. He has questioned Uhuru Kenyatta's leadership in public
c. He has declared a counter war against Uhuru again in public

For a fraction of the above stuff, Kenyatta would order you quartered and your balls fried specially for his dog while Moi would dissolve you in acid.

I feel compelled to address the issue of EJ (Extra Judicially) that you raised:

Before Zimbabwe no government in Africa had ever been overthrown because a vice president was fired. Still on the boos is the fact that no government has ever been overthrown because the VP was murdered. There is usually noise - a lot of noise - but it calms down and life goes on.
You're basically describing MAD - which explain why Uhuru 3M facebook account - the biggest in Africa is now in limbo. Both knows that if they cross the rubicon river - there will be no turning back - and it will be fight that will probably destroy both of them.

Now Let us be specific. What actions do you think Uhuru can unleash? Unless you mean he does things extra-judicially - he cannot fired Ruto. Ruto is going to stay in Karen the next 5yrs which explain why he turned his Karen house into a hotel and moved to DPORK house in Karen.

The action that Uhuru people seem to favor now is perhaps graft. Ruto already knows that - and is doing somewhat great job - characteristic the fight as political fight targeting him and his people. That is all this will come to - Uhuru can proceed to charge Ruto or his people - and they are already lawyered up - and that pretty much it.DCJ Mwilu is still at work.

Uhuru already took the supervision job from Ruto to Matiangi.  Matiangi seem already overwhelmed and Ruto had to step in to help Turkana & Baringo famine. The problem for Uhuru is finding someone who can do gov and political heavy-lifting like Ruto does effortless - Matiangi will be sabotaged by fellow ministers and he lacks the political adeptness needed. Uhuru himself is lazy if not drunk most of the time.

Anyway long and short of this. GEMA are in fix!. First time the prospect of leaving power is REAL. Uhuru is facing term limit constraint and he doesn't want to appoint successor or go home. GEMA now find itself having to choose either Ruto or Raila. That makes them very unhappy. I think they will choose the evil they know - Ruto - has worked with them pretty well - and GEMA are mad at Uhuru for starting this war. There is no one in GEMA who can step up in short notice for Uhuru - no Kibaki & Matiba or Kibaki & Uhuru - who has won enough national credibility to be considered for PORK.

And that is their biggest dillema. They want to abuse Raila to tame Ruto but have no end game. I think we might finally get federalism out this.

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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2019, 12:15:33 PM »
The issues you raise about Ruto's wealth and grabbing capacity are not in doubt. I also know Ruto is meticulous and hard working (in a  non GEMA fashion).

I will not clarify what I wrote earlier.

That said let's examine the claim that Ruto cannot be removed:

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where there are serious reasons to believe that the Deputy President has committed a crime under national or inter- national law; or
(iii) for gross misconduct.
(2) The provisions of Articles 144 and 145 relating to the removal of the President shall apply, with the necessary modifications, to the removal of the Deputy President.

so what do chapters 144 and 145 say:
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and 145:
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I didn't catch any of that. Are you suggesting Uhuru uses extra-judicial means? or what. I mean he cannot fire DPORK like Mugabe or Moi or Kibaki could fire their opponents.  He can fire Ruto men one by one - those that don't enjoy security of tenure - like Shebale Slum dog Acheza - but ultimately he cannot touch Ruto position. I think that embolden Ruto. He also cannot out-bribe Ruto. Ruto took 5yrs meticously building a warchest - and that is what made Uhuru mad.

He thought Ruto was a stupid gishagi boy from Sugoi - but when NIS presented evidence of Ruto wealth - he was shocked. And that is what Uhuru has been struggling with it - accepting the reality that Ruto has out-stolen him. It's like Moi and GEMA. GEMA thought MOI was stupid....only to later find out Moi & Biwott had literally stolen half of kenya. So Ruto clearly knows this graft fight is the as result of NIS & OP - doing a Kroll Associates on Ruto alleged wealth - and discovering that he stashed an incredible loot - by getting 10% nearly everywhere.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2019, 12:22:04 PM »
Omollo Zim happened because Mugabe was senile. Young Bob was like Moi and Jomo combined. This Uhu-Ruto war is very good for Raila and Kenya - there is at least a pretend war on corruption and we could get some reforms as bonus - lots of people like me are very happy. Ruto is the biggest loser.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2019, 12:29:20 PM »
Senile or not, he had a three week window to act on Chiwenga and Mnangagwa but failed. That emboldened Chiwenga who took the next step to overthrow him.

Uhuru has a few days to act or his own people will be flocking to Karen to pledge their loyalty to Ruto.
Omollo Zim happened because Mugabe was senile. Young Bob was like Moi and Jomo combined. This Uhu-Ruto war is very good for Raila and Kenya - there is at least a pretend war on corruption and we could get some reforms as bonus - lots of people like me are very happy. Ruto is the biggest loser.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2019, 12:39:28 PM »
You mean impeachment ; nobody is getting 2/3. I mean not a single governor has been successfully impeached. Even where senate okayed it - governors found a way to tie that in court. What is Orengo who brought vote of no confidence on Ruto - and lost baldy. Any move to impeach Uhuru or Ruto will just make our MPs richer from all the bribes...but ultimately getting through 2/3 - that is like 220-230mps is not easy feat.  And for senators - that even hard - you need more than 32 elected senators.
The issues you raise about Ruto's wealth and grabbing capacity are not in doubt. I also know Ruto is meticulous and hard working (in a  non GEMA fashion).

I will not clarify what I wrote earlier.

That said let's examine the claim that Ruto cannot be removed:

Quote
where there are serious reasons to believe that the Deputy President has committed a crime under national or inter- national law; or
(iii) for gross misconduct.
(2) The provisions of Articles 144 and 145 relating to the removal of the President shall apply, with the necessary modifications, to the removal of the Deputy President.

so what do chapters 144 and 145 say:
Quote

and 145:
Quote
I didn't catch any of that. Are you suggesting Uhuru uses extra-judicial means? or what. I mean he cannot fire DPORK like Mugabe or Moi or Kibaki could fire their opponents.  He can fire Ruto men one by one - those that don't enjoy security of tenure - like Shebale Slum dog Acheza - but ultimately he cannot touch Ruto position. I think that embolden Ruto. He also cannot out-bribe Ruto. Ruto took 5yrs meticously building a warchest - and that is what made Uhuru mad.

He thought Ruto was a stupid gishagi boy from Sugoi - but when NIS presented evidence of Ruto wealth - he was shocked. And that is what Uhuru has been struggling with it - accepting the reality that Ruto has out-stolen him. It's like Moi and GEMA. GEMA thought MOI was stupid....only to later find out Moi & Biwott had literally stolen half of kenya. So Ruto clearly knows this graft fight is the as result of NIS & OP - doing a Kroll Associates on Ruto alleged wealth - and discovering that he stashed an incredible loot - by getting 10% nearly everywhere.

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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2019, 01:07:24 PM »
I agree- Uhuru should immediately fire one of Ruto's close guys like Henry Rotich or Charles Keter. I think he has the spine but very lazy with a low IQ.

Senile or not, he had a three week window to act on Chiwenga and Mnangagwa but failed. That emboldened Chiwenga who took the next step to overthrow him.

Uhuru has a few days to act or his own people will be flocking to Karen to pledge their loyalty to Ruto.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2019, 01:30:40 PM »
Uhuru is very intelligent - he had to work for his Amhrest degree. The problem really is lack of work ethic and drug abuse. Which is understandable when you're Kenyatta son and worth billions of dollars.

A civil war with Ruto will gift you man Raila with an entry back to the saddle. I think both UhuRuto will make peace before it get bad. That is why those tweets were deleted.

Uhuru really cannot function without Ruto  - I mean Matiangi can get stuff done but he is just a minister - and Raila can help with politics - but that is akin to kissing a skunk.

I agree- Uhuru should immediately fire one of Ruto's close guys like Henry Rotich or Charles Keter. I think he has the spine but very lazy with a low IQ.

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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2019, 02:01:34 PM »
I hope all kids are fast asleep now. Let's talk grown up.

Back in 1997 my Mzungu neighbor's Zambian wife went to town on a friday met a Nigerian with a very long dick and only returned home a few days later when the husband threatened to report her missing and start the process of declaring her dead.

Her "return" like that of the Prime Minister's wife in Gulliver's Travels, was short and intended to ensure she wasn't ever "disturbed by the husband" again. She took her clothes, money, jewelry and signed away the kids before repairing to her Nigerian Lover.

I spent many hours comforting my neighbor who was ever hopeful that his wife and mother of his two kids would return.

Though eventually kicked out by the Nigerian-With-A-Long-Dick, she never returned to my neighbor. During one of my missions to counsel her to return, she told me: The guy (husband) does not reach "there".

I admire Pundit's hopefulness or should we call it optimism. Like my neighbor, he is hopeful that the Uhuruto deal will be salvaged. He is exactly where KM and I were during the NARA Regime's tenure when I was telling KM "we've been screwed" and he would respond with predictable optimism of Kibaki's goodness towards Raila. As a disciple of Thoreau (of the "If I knew someone was coming to my house with the intention of doing me good, I would run as fast as my legs could carry me so he would not do any of his good to me"), I found it insulting.

Pundit, this not about Uhuru and his goodness or generosity towards Ruto. It is about keeping it within GEMA. Both Ruto and Raila are lined up for a huge fuck.

Which is why I long predicted that Ruto and Raila will enter a pact. The result: 2007-08 PEV afresh because GEMA will still rig elections.

Best scenario: Ruto agrees to amend the constitution to create a Westminster style Parliamentary democracy with a PM based on parliamentary strength. He and Raila can then send Uhuru home into retirement along with the GEMA rigging machine. It won't really matter who between them is President or Powerful (Teresa May-like) PM. Their parliamentary strength will determine their cooperation. They would ofcourse be watching a common enemy: GEMA.

There is NO WAY Uhuru Kenyatta and GEMA can honor any deal with either Raila or Uhuru as long as it means they losing the levers of power. May be if you are look at a Tshisekedi like Presidency which Kabila will get rid of any time.
Uhuru is very intelligent - he had to work for his Amhrest degree. The problem really is lack of work ethic and drug abuse. Which is understandable when you're Kenyatta son and worth billions of dollars.

A civil war with Ruto will gift you man Raila with an entry back to the saddle. I think both UhuRuto will make peace before it get bad. That is why those tweets were deleted.

Uhuru really cannot function without Ruto  - I mean Matiangi can get stuff done but he is just a minister - and Raila can help with politics - but that is akin to kissing a skunk.

I agree- Uhuru should immediately fire one of Ruto's close guys like Henry Rotich or Charles Keter. I think he has the spine but very lazy with a low IQ.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2019, 02:02:56 PM »
Of course Uhuru is stupid - very low acumen - example he let Ruto line up cronies in his backyard - what a fool.

How Uhuru views a Ruto vs Raila presidency? He wants Raila to win not Ruto - that explains the events since elections. I disagree this is about the loot envy. He fear Ruto presidency and Ralia the mganga exploits the fear. Uhuru has the spine to fight Ruto - and does not care about any legacy - what is in question is their ability to finish off Ruto.

Uhuru is very intelligent - he had to work for his Amhrest degree. The problem really is lack of work ethic and drug abuse. Which is understandable when you're Kenyatta son and worth billions of dollars.

A civil war with Ruto will gift you man Raila with an entry back to the saddle. I think both UhuRuto will make peace before it get bad. That is why those tweets were deleted.

Uhuru really cannot function without Ruto  - I mean Matiangi can get stuff done but he is just a minister - and Raila can help with politics - but that is akin to kissing a skunk.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2019, 02:05:36 PM »
You mean impeachment ; nobody is getting 2/3. I mean not a single governor has been successfully impeached. Even where senate okayed it - governors found a way to tie that in court. What is Orengo who brought vote of no confidence on Ruto - and lost baldy. Any move to impeach Uhuru or Ruto will just make our MPs richer from all the bribes...but ultimately getting through 2/3 - that is like 220-230mps is not easy feat.  And for senators - that even hard - you need more than 32 elected senators.
When I counted and included known turncoats I found Uhuru with support from Raila and massive bribes and NIS threats can get those numbers

Let us do a head count of senators pole pole.
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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2019, 02:06:57 PM »
i had to check if this was kichwa mbaya.uhuru wants raila as pork.lol
Of course Uhuru is stupid - very low acumen - example he let Ruto line up cronies in his backyard - what a fool.

How Uhuru views a Ruto vs Raila presidency? He wants Raila to win not Ruto - that explains the events since elections. I disagree this is about the loot envy. He fear Ruto presidency and Ralia the mganga exploits the fear. Uhuru has the spine to fight Ruto - and does not care about any legacy - what is in question is their ability to finish off Ruto.

Uhuru is very intelligent - he had to work for his Amhrest degree. The problem really is lack of work ethic and drug abuse. Which is understandable when you're Kenyatta son and worth billions of dollars.

A civil war with Ruto will gift you man Raila with an entry back to the saddle. I think both UhuRuto will make peace before it get bad. That is why those tweets were deleted.

Uhuru really cannot function without Ruto  - I mean Matiangi can get stuff done but he is just a minister - and Raila can help with politics - but that is akin to kissing a skunk.

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Re: No Shame in Saying to RV Pundit: "We Told You So"
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2019, 02:15:10 PM »
Omollo am off to bed. Parting shot: parliamentary is the best - Kenya does not belong to Kikuyu and Kalenjin.
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