FGM In Kenya

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Looks like Kenyans are still chopping off girls' clitorises.  How bad can it be that in 2019 there are still tribes practicing this barbarity?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/FGMkilledJelida

I would also add that the Bukusu practice of chopping boy's prepuces in public unsanitary conditions is a tad backward and I thought by now they would have stopped doing it.  Perhaps just have the procedure done in hospital and not tied to manhood.

[MOON Ki]

Looks like Kenyans are still chopping off girls' clitorises.  How bad can it be that in 2019 there are still tribes practicing this barbarity?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/FGMkilledJelida

I would also add that the Bukusu practice of chopping boy's prepuces in public unsanitary conditions is a tad backward and I thought by now they would have stopped doing it.  Perhaps just have the procedure done in hospital and not tied to manhood.

FGM is a disgusting, filthy, backward, and barbaric practice.  And that's not even the half of it.   But given some of its defenders, I am not surprised that it continues.   

I once brought it up and on Kenyan internet forum and was astonished by some of the responses I got: A handful of  educated and seemingly intelligent men put forth a vigorous defense in the name of "culture" and "history" ... that it was "important to understand it" and "instead of condemning it, let it die on its own" .... 

The issue  also came up a couple of times on Jukwaa some years ago, and here are the views of some of the stalwarts during one of the "sessions":

You obviously did not see my bit about ensuring no one is forced! I still disagree with those that want to see it only as mutilation but will not raise a finger when a white woman mutilates her own genitalia getting rings and studs hanging down there after piercing! No one complains when women mutilate their tongues through piercing! The reason it is okay is because there is consent to do all that.

So let the african girl that wants to be circumcised through the cut to get it as long they consent, and then have the process sanitised through a proper medical process. They did it for boys, no reason it should no happen to those girls that want to!

My daughter went through the rite of passage if you wish to know.

Read more: http://jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/6246/fgm-got-last-word#ixzz5ehEFWxMw

(The response pointed out that the wazungus tinkering with their own things are adults, making free choices, not kids being abused in the name of "culture".   The message did not get through.  The idea seems to be that the kids put through this actually give their consent ... the law all over the world takes a different view on the notion of consent when applied to kids, but why let that stop anyone.   "They wanted it!   Begged for it!"   Sigh.)

And back home I have noticed that some of those who are really keen on this abomination are women who themselves had to go through it!   Somewhat understandable, in the sense of "I suffered, so why not you"---the spirit in which "monos" are abused in boarding schools---but still!

As for Bukusu practices, "avant garde" doesn't usually come to mind ...

[RV Pundit]

It was criminalized. Police need to act on that. And Prov Administration.

[Kadudu]

Then all former  Northeastern Province would be in Kamiti starting with Aden Duale. My take is 99% of all Somali women are cut. The government is not decisive enough on this issue and has decided to ignore it and hoping one day it will die out.

Why this primitive act is still practiced till today makes no logic to me.

It was criminalized. Police need to act on that. And Prov Administration.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Looks like Kenyans are still chopping off girls' clitorises.  How bad can it be that in 2019 there are still tribes practicing this barbarity?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/FGMkilledJelida

I would also add that the Bukusu practice of chopping boy's prepuces in public unsanitary conditions is a tad backward and I thought by now they would have stopped doing it.  Perhaps just have the procedure done in hospital and not tied to manhood.

FGM is a disgusting, filthy, backward, and barbaric practice.  And that's not even the half of it.   But given some of its defenders, I am not surprised that it continues.   

I once brought it up and on Kenyan internet forum and was astonished by some of the responses I got: A handful of  educated and seemingly intelligent men put forth a vigorous defense in the name of "culture" and "history" ... that it was "important to understand it" and "instead of condemning it, let it die on its own" .... 

The issue  also came up a couple of times on Jukwaa some years ago, and here are the views of some of the stalwarts during one of the "sessions":

You obviously did not see my bit about ensuring no one is forced! I still disagree with those that want to see it only as mutilation but will not raise a finger when a white woman mutilates her own genitalia getting rings and studs hanging down there after piercing! No one complains when women mutilate their tongues through piercing! The reason it is okay is because there is consent to do all that.

So let the african girl that wants to be circumcised through the cut to get it as long they consent, and then have the process sanitised through a proper medical process. They did it for boys, no reason it should no happen to those girls that want to!

My daughter went through the rite of passage if you wish to know.

Read more: http://jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/6246/fgm-got-last-word#ixzz5ehEFWxMw

Apparently kamalet's daughter went through the fictional variety which was "just as good" as the actual cut .  He has the sense to realize his daughter really shouldn't have to undergo the whole savage kit and kaboodle, but is perfectly fine with someone else's child going through it.  It's a very discordant way to be.  You would think it would be clear in his head why his daughter should not be cut and extrapolate to others.

Every community has its own rites of passage, and they should be allowed to follow them and those that want to modify these should be allowed to as long as the intent of the rite is observed. For instance, it would be inhumane for a kikuyu family to insist on the circumcision of a child with a blood clotting problem - that is consigning the boy to death! Similarly even for girls, if they can be taken through the counselling process that accompanied the "cut" they would still be deemed to have undergone the rite - and that is the rite my own daughter underwent. She was counselled on the right, growing up and responsibilities of goung through the rite - and the cut was never necessary!

(The response pointed out that the wazungus tinkering with their own things are adults, making free choices, not kids being abused in the name of "culture".   The message did not get through.  The idea seems to be that the kids put through this actually give their consent ... the law all over the world takes a different view on the notion of consent when applied to kids, but why let that stop anyone.   "They wanted it!   Begged for it!"   Sigh.)

And the consent if often a result of peer pressure.  They get derided by ignorant peers. And the vicious cycle continues.

And back home I have noticed that some of those who are really keen on this abomination are women who themselves had to go through it!   Somewhat understandable, in the sense of "I suffered, so why not you"---the spirit in which "monos" are abused in boarding schools---but still!

As for Bukusu practices, "avant garde" doesn't usually come to mind ...

Yeppers.  The mothers, aunts etc.  In some of the communities apparently you are unmarriable if you have that "baggage".  If education is to count for something, you would think it ought to have exposed someone to the lunacy of that kind of thinking at a minimum.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Then all former  Northeastern Province would be in Kamiti starting with Aden Duale. My take is 99% of all Somali women are cut. The government is not decisive enough on this issue and has decided to ignore it and hoping one day it will die out.

Why this primitive act is still practiced till today makes no logic to me.

It was criminalized. Police need to act on that. And Prov Administration.

And the version that happens among Somalis is so beyond the pale it has its own name; infibulation.

[GeeMail]

Looks like Kenyans are still chopping off girls' clitorises.  How bad can it be that in 2019 there are still tribes practicing this barbarity?

https://twitter.com/hashtag/FGMkilledJelida

I would also add that the Bukusu practice of chopping boy's prepuces in public unsanitary conditions is a tad backward and I thought by now they would have stopped doing it.  Perhaps just have the procedure done in hospital and not tied to manhood.

As long as Kenyans idolize shortened boy's manhoods, all condemnation of FGM remains unnecessary noise.

[Kadudu]

I hope you discourage your in-laws from Imenti from practicing this vice.

It was criminalized. Police need to act on that. And Prov Administration.