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Early Campaigns for 2022
« on: December 22, 2018, 12:36:11 PM »
As I promised when I do get the opportunity I will resume posting. Here I am.

In fact I will be posting at the two nipates. I had anticipated that happening in 2021 but as it looks now Ruto has pulled a fasdt one on all of us and started the 2022 manenos a whole 4 and a half years ahead of schedule. That has meant the predicted split in Jubilee has manifested itself much earlier than predicted.

To complicate matters, Uhuru feasring the LDP vs Kibaki problem (2003 - 2007) entered in to an NDP- KANU alliance as Moi- Raila did between 1997 - 2002. This is meant as a buffer should Ruto and his diehard Kalenjin MPs frustrate Uhuru's par,iamentary program.

If he had asked me I would have told him Ruto would never stand up to him before he is elected President. Right now Ruto would gladly drink Uhuru's pee in public to demostrate his loyalty. He is willing to undergo every humiliation.

One needs to go back in history to the 1930s to find similar swallowing of humiliation. When Stalin came to power in 1924 he found a weak Soviet Union that had been forced in to war then forced out. Hardly had he been in office long enough before Germany re-emerged under Hitler. Hitler barred from arming himself set up factories in Russia and made Stalin produce whatever he needed. The demands kept increasing and Stalin knowing that Hitler needed the ecuse to invade kept fulfilling them.

It is then that he decided to also start secretly arming himself. Thus for every tank he sent to Hitler, he hid two somewhere. He used the opportunity to improve Russian heavy industry and thus brough his country from feudalism to industrialization is a histical flash.

Ruto has decided to endure humiliation but accumulate wealth. His mistake though has been to display it.
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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2018, 04:09:46 AM »
Its too early for 2022 political predictions. Anything and everything is possible.
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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2018, 03:01:02 PM »
Ruto never stopped campaigning in 2013 after Jubilee first term. I think you're noticing it now because he is doing it for himself. If Uhuru want to continue as PM - he will do it under Ruto gov. Raila is being played 10-nil.Nobody now has the guts to take on Ruto - the man despite campaign early has had time to do master and phd - build his business and warchest - and basically manages to be everywhere anywhere.

Anyway as the year closes - I think Ruto has crossed the rubicon in western - esp the Bukusu wing. That in addition to Coast - means Ruto has more than enough insurance against GEMA.

As 2019 start - Ruto need to focus on Gusii - while keeping an eye on coast & western. Once he has wrapped those - nothing will stop him.


As I promised when I do get the opportunity I will resume posting. Here I am.

In fact I will be posting at the two nipates. I had anticipated that happening in 2021 but as it looks now Ruto has pulled a fasdt one on all of us and started the 2022 manenos a whole 4 and a half years ahead of schedule. That has meant the predicted split in Jubilee has manifested itself much earlier than predicted.

To complicate matters, Uhuru feasring the LDP vs Kibaki problem (2003 - 2007) entered in to an NDP- KANU alliance as Moi- Raila did between 1997 - 2002. This is meant as a buffer should Ruto and his diehard Kalenjin MPs frustrate Uhuru's par,iamentary program.

If he had asked me I would have told him Ruto would never stand up to him before he is elected President. Right now Ruto would gladly drink Uhuru's pee in public to demostrate his loyalty. He is willing to undergo every humiliation.

One needs to go back in history to the 1930s to find similar swallowing of humiliation. When Stalin came to power in 1924 he found a weak Soviet Union that had been forced in to war then forced out. Hardly had he been in office long enough before Germany re-emerged under Hitler. Hitler barred from arming himself set up factories in Russia and made Stalin produce whatever he needed. The demands kept increasing and Stalin knowing that Hitler needed the ecuse to invade kept fulfilling them.

It is then that he decided to also start secretly arming himself. Thus for every tank he sent to Hitler, he hid two somewhere. He used the opportunity to improve Russian heavy industry and thus brough his country from feudalism to industrialization is a histical flash.

Ruto has decided to endure humiliation but accumulate wealth. His mistake though has been to display it.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2018, 12:15:46 AM »

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2018, 08:44:34 AM »
Raila crushed the Bukusu pride - Mr Rectangular - and since then Ruto has had it easy - after appointing Ken Lusaka. Bukusu have everything to gain by aligning with Ruto - the Kalenjin diaspora in Transzoia and Bungoma - will make it easy for Ruto backed Luhya candidate there - and then Rectangular is looking for something to hold onto.

Right now Ruto is really looking good in Western. They have two options - go again to Raila and get shafted - or try Ruto. Their own - are too broke and too stupid to get anywhere serious.


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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2018, 11:06:45 PM »
You are stuck in the pre-handshake politics like a broken record.

Raila crushed the Bukusu pride - Mr Rectangular - and since then Ruto has had it easy - after appointing Ken Lusaka. Bukusu have everything to gain by aligning with Ruto - the Kalenjin diaspora in Transzoia and Bungoma - will make it easy for Ruto backed Luhya candidate there - and then Rectangular is looking for something to hold onto.

Right now Ruto is really looking good in Western. They have two options - go again to Raila and get shafted - or try Ruto. Their own - are too broke and too stupid to get anywhere serious.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2018, 02:54:48 AM »
Doubt Raila will ever rise from the ashes of betrayal. He is a professional presidential candidate who pimps his win for few pieces of silver, sacrificing hope, aspirations and lives  of millions kenyans. 2017 - 2018 veil has been lifted no more kidneys for the king.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2018, 01:39:11 PM »
As I promised when I do get the opportunity I will resume posting. Here I am.

In fact I will be posting at the two nipates. I had anticipated that happening in 2021 ....

Omorro, I think you will have to content with working only on one Nipate. Choo.com had a flawed business model from inception. If I am not wrong, it was hinged on Raira-bashing. Now with handshake maneno, and Mugo wa Wairumu (aka @jackal) neutered and behind bars and @Nattydread no longer posting, it has become a lonely place and closed. BTW you won't hear @Natty talk of web visits stats anymore.... it is that bad.

Congrats @Veritas for your foresight. Members have sustainable substance on .org to chew on.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2018, 12:07:30 AM »
Why are you so bitter with RAO like he was god and he never delivered the everlasting life which he promised you. Get over it. Everything and everybody is in doubt for 2022. The post handshake political map of Kenya is yet to reveal itself for a meaningful analysis and no one can be counted in or out at this time.

Doubt Raila will ever rise from the ashes of betrayal. He is a professional presidential candidate who pimps his win for few pieces of silver, sacrificing hope, aspirations and lives  of millions kenyans. 2017 - 2018 veil has been lifted no more kidneys for the king.
"I have done my job and I will not change anything dead or a live" Malonza

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2018, 12:19:12 PM »
From the grapevine

You've heard this story before.

That there exists three kinds of politicians: Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what's happening. William Ruto might not like this constant reminder, but it doesn't take away the fact that the March 2018 handshake was the day he watched his 2022 gameplan go up in smoke.

And this is why.

All political mathematics revolving around the identity of the next president of Kenya must always take into account the Kalenjin, Luo and the Kikuyu vote. Voting as a bloc, the candidate with the support of any two of those three communities will always be the man to beat going into any general election.

William Ruto had Kalenjins and Kikuyus United in one accord, making sure he had an easy stroll into 2022, until the March 2018 handshake brought Raila Odinga back into the equation. The chess grandmaster of Kenyan politics returns to the main fold just when his pupil was beginning to behave like a silverback gorilla.

Raila Odinga's reentry into the big league makes it easy for two things to happen to William Ruto.

One.

If Kikuyus decide not to honor their promise and back another candidate for 2022, and in the likely event that William Ruto wins the presidential vote but the win is stolen from him, it will be very difficult for William Ruto to foment a revolution.

This should be a no brainer. Only Raila Odinga can destabilize the national government by paralyzing operations in Kenya's three main cities; Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. The most important town William Ruto commands is Eldoret, a rural insignificant outpost that will take only one teargas canister to be lobbed and protestors will scatter like Mike Sonko's pidgin English.

William Ruto's anti-government chokehold on Eldoret is made much more difficult with the presence of the Kenya Defence Forces Baracks in Soi. They also have a bullet factory there in Eldoret so if any Kalenjin militiaman thinks they will swing a rungu against outsiders if William Ruto's vote is stolen in 2022, they have a lot of reasons to think again. The government was caught offguard in 2007. They have made a promise that it will not happen again.

Two.

The only assured avenue for William Ruto to be president is for Uhuru Kenyatta to die midway into his second term, upon which William Ruto takes the oath of office to see off the remainder of the term. The last time a Kenyan president died in office, his Deputy took over the reigns of power, and you all know how long it took to get him out of that place.

William Ruto is a poor man's Daniel Moi without the wisdom that should come with it. Daniel Moi knew when to stop, William Ruto doesn't know when to stop. If anything happens to Uhuru Kenyatta, and anything can happen to Uhuru Kenyatta, and William Ruto takes over the reigns of power, you can be sure that Daniel Moi's 24 year record as president of Kenya will have found a suitable match.

Do not be fooled that David Murathe's noise is a hollow one. Kikuyus have no problem honoring their political debt owed to William Ruto. The only misgiving they have is whether William Ruto can be trusted to honor back the debt when his turn to step down comes around. They are saying they'd rather have any other Kalenjin but not William Ruto, because it took them 24 years to get back the presidency from Daniel Moi.

They have been once bitten, and they are now twice shy.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2018, 05:08:28 PM »
The  "Hand Shake" has been the most consequential symbolic single political act in Kenya and yet the most difficult to analyze  beyond the immediate unprecedented political and economic stability. One thing became very obvious, although the Kikuyu Kalenjin coalition had the numbers to "win" elections in if topped-off with stealing votes and strong-arming the supreme court, the kikuyu/kalenjin coalition lacked the ability to bring about political stability in the country. The handshake also revealed that Ruto's political life was dependent on the continued Kikuyu-luo political animosity while Uhuru and Raila's political popularity thrived when the tensions between the two tribes were lessened. The handshake therefore provided the country with a formulae for political stability. 1) we have to find a leader who will continue to lessen the tension between the kikuyus and the Luos and not one like Ruto who depends on the heightened animosity of these two tribes to win. 2) ideally the next Kenyan president should not be a kikuyu or a kelenjin and definitely not Ruto because that would only take us back to the post "handshake" Kenya. That Kenya was so ugly that nobody wants to go back to it.

From the grapevine

You've heard this story before.

That there exists three kinds of politicians: Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what's happening. William Ruto might not like this constant reminder, but it doesn't take away the fact that the March 2018 handshake was the day he watched his 2022 gameplan go up in smoke.

And this is why.

All political mathematics revolving around the identity of the next president of Kenya must always take into account the Kalenjin, Luo and the Kikuyu vote. Voting as a bloc, the candidate with the support of any two of those three communities will always be the man to beat going into any general election.

William Ruto had Kalenjins and Kikuyus United in one accord, making sure he had an easy stroll into 2022, until the March 2018 handshake brought Raila Odinga back into the equation. The chess grandmaster of Kenyan politics returns to the main fold just when his pupil was beginning to behave like a silverback gorilla.

Raila Odinga's reentry into the big league makes it easy for two things to happen to William Ruto.

One.

If Kikuyus decide not to honor their promise and back another candidate for 2022, and in the likely event that William Ruto wins the presidential vote but the win is stolen from him, it will be very difficult for William Ruto to foment a revolution.

This should be a no brainer. Only Raila Odinga can destabilize the national government by paralyzing operations in Kenya's three main cities; Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. The most important town William Ruto commands is Eldoret, a rural insignificant outpost that will take only one teargas canister to be lobbed and protestors will scatter like Mike Sonko's pidgin English.

William Ruto's anti-government chokehold on Eldoret is made much more difficult with the presence of the Kenya Defence Forces Baracks in Soi. They also have a bullet factory there in Eldoret so if any Kalenjin militiaman thinks they will swing a rungu against outsiders if William Ruto's vote is stolen in 2022, they have a lot of reasons to think again. The government was caught offguard in 2007. They have made a promise that it will not happen again.

Two.

The only assured avenue for William Ruto to be president is for Uhuru Kenyatta to die midway into his second term, upon which William Ruto takes the oath of office to see off the remainder of the term. The last time a Kenyan president died in office, his Deputy took over the reigns of power, and you all know how long it took to get him out of that place.

William Ruto is a poor man's Daniel Moi without the wisdom that should come with it. Daniel Moi knew when to stop, William Ruto doesn't know when to stop. If anything happens to Uhuru Kenyatta, and anything can happen to Uhuru Kenyatta, and William Ruto takes over the reigns of power, you can be sure that Daniel Moi's 24 year record as president of Kenya will have found a suitable match.

Do not be fooled that David Murathe's noise is a hollow one. Kikuyus have no problem honoring their political debt owed to William Ruto. The only misgiving they have is whether William Ruto can be trusted to honor back the debt when his turn to step down comes around. They are saying they'd rather have any other Kalenjin but not William Ruto, because it took them 24 years to get back the presidency from Daniel Moi.

They have been once bitten, and they are now twice shy.
"I have done my job and I will not change anything dead or a live" Malonza

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2018, 07:01:38 PM »
@Pajero has been blogging much longer than many of you here. He had to lie low one time for saying stuff about the powers that be that possible exposed who he was to those powers that be.

So whenever he posts I read keenly. :)
Even RV Pundit knows pajero was there them days.

What Pajero has posted here is common thinking Kule kwao as can be seen from what this lady posted, which obviously will make uncomfortable reading for RV Pundit: Usikose kusoma comments pia.

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From the grapevine

You've heard this story before.

That there exists three kinds of politicians: Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what's happening. William Ruto might not like this constant reminder, but it doesn't take away the fact that the March 2018 handshake was the day he watched his 2022 gameplan go up in smoke.

And this is why.

All political mathematics revolving around the identity of the next president of Kenya must always take into account the Kalenjin, Luo and the Kikuyu vote. Voting as a bloc, the candidate with the support of any two of those three communities will always be the man to beat going into any general election.

William Ruto had Kalenjins and Kikuyus United in one accord, making sure he had an easy stroll into 2022, until the March 2018 handshake brought Raila Odinga back into the equation. The chess grandmaster of Kenyan politics returns to the main fold just when his pupil was beginning to behave like a silverback gorilla.

Raila Odinga's reentry into the big league makes it easy for two things to happen to William Ruto.

One.

If Kikuyus decide not to honor their promise and back another candidate for 2022, and in the likely event that William Ruto wins the presidential vote but the win is stolen from him, it will be very difficult for William Ruto to foment a revolution.

This should be a no brainer. Only Raila Odinga can destabilize the national government by paralyzing operations in Kenya's three main cities; Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu. The most important town William Ruto commands is Eldoret, a rural insignificant outpost that will take only one teargas canister to be lobbed and protestors will scatter like Mike Sonko's pidgin English.

William Ruto's anti-government chokehold on Eldoret is made much more difficult with the presence of the Kenya Defence Forces Baracks in Soi. They also have a bullet factory there in Eldoret so if any Kalenjin militiaman thinks they will swing a rungu against outsiders if William Ruto's vote is stolen in 2022, they have a lot of reasons to think again. The government was caught offguard in 2007. They have made a promise that it will not happen again.

Two.

The only assured avenue for William Ruto to be president is for Uhuru Kenyatta to die midway into his second term, upon which William Ruto takes the oath of office to see off the remainder of the term. The last time a Kenyan president died in office, his Deputy took over the reigns of power, and you all know how long it took to get him out of that place.

William Ruto is a poor man's Daniel Moi without the wisdom that should come with it. Daniel Moi knew when to stop, William Ruto doesn't know when to stop. If anything happens to Uhuru Kenyatta, and anything can happen to Uhuru Kenyatta, and William Ruto takes over the reigns of power, you can be sure that Daniel Moi's 24 year record as president of Kenya will have found a suitable match.

Do not be fooled that David Murathe's noise is a hollow one. Kikuyus have no problem honoring their political debt owed to William Ruto. The only misgiving they have is whether William Ruto can be trusted to honor back the debt when his turn to step down comes around. They are saying they'd rather have any other Kalenjin but not William Ruto, because it took them 24 years to get back the presidency from Daniel Moi.

They have been once bitten, and they are now twice shy.


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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2018, 07:10:16 PM »
I hope msando did not believe that lie of everlasting life from that old senile deceptive, greedy coward called Raila. There are millions of honorable kenyans, kenyans who I encountered in 2017 campaigns, Kenyans who would rather sleep hungry than take a single penny from jubilee thieves. Kenyans who were ready to pay the ultimate price for a better kenya. I dont know what kind of God you believe in but the God I believe in is not a deceptive thief.

The handshake you parrot here day in and day out is nothing but a few elite payout agreement where Raila got paid billions of shilling in exchange of supporting election thieves
Why are you so bitter with RAO like he was god and he never delivered the everlasting life which he promised you. Get over it. Everything and everybody is in doubt for 2022. The post handshake political map of Kenya is yet to reveal itself for a meaningful analysis and no one can be counted in or out at this time.

Doubt Raila will ever rise from the ashes of betrayal. He is a professional presidential candidate who pimps his win for few pieces of silver, sacrificing hope, aspirations and lives  of millions kenyans. 2017 - 2018 veil has been lifted no more kidneys for the king.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2018, 07:21:21 PM »
You are going nuts bro. Raila had nothing to do with Msando's death and nothing you say will make him responsible. Msando died a horrible death in the hands of uhuruto and the responsibility cannot be placed on Raila not matter how much you try or want. There are many unresolved political deaths in Kenya from Pinto Gama to Msando and blaming Raila will not work.

I hope msando did not believe that lie of everlasting life from that old senile deceptive, greedy coward called Raila. There are millions of honorable kenyans, kenyans who I encountered in 2017 campaigns, Kenyans who would rather sleep hungry than take a single penny from jubilee thieves. Kenyans who were ready to pay the ultimate price for a better kenya. I dont know what kind of God you believe in but the God I believe in is not a deceptive thief.

The handshake you parrot here day in and day out is nothing but a few elite payout agreement where Raila got paid billions of shilling in exchange of supporting election thieves
Why are you so bitter with RAO like he was god and he never delivered the everlasting life which he promised you. Get over it. Everything and everybody is in doubt for 2022. The post handshake political map of Kenya is yet to reveal itself for a meaningful analysis and no one can be counted in or out at this time.

Doubt Raila will ever rise from the ashes of betrayal. He is a professional presidential candidate who pimps his win for few pieces of silver, sacrificing hope, aspirations and lives  of millions kenyans. 2017 - 2018 veil has been lifted no more kidneys for the king.
"I have done my job and I will not change anything dead or a live" Malonza

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2018, 10:25:17 PM »
Missed the point by a mile. Let me try again
1. Raila is a deceptive, greedy coward
2. Msando paid ultimate price for quest to deliver a free and fair elections. The people who killed msando are the same people Raila ran to for handshake in exchange for blood money.
3.  The deceptive coward has no honor. Before accepting handcheque he should have at least demanded justice for msando and other martyrs that paid ultimate price
4. There are thousands of poor Kenyans who would rather die poor than betray their fellow country man or their country
5. Handshake is only an agreement between 2 thieves to steal from Kenyans uninterrupted while stupido like you shout themselves hoarse here handshake handshake ad infinitum.
6. Raila as long as he live will be on the ballot so he can cash out on elections. It's a business for him.
7. Handshake or not as long as there are no free and fair elections in kenya the thieves will continue to determine the outcomes.

You are going nuts bro. Raila had nothing to do with Msando's death and nothing you say will make him responsible. Msando died a horrible death in the hands of uhuruto and the responsibility cannot be placed on Raila not matter how much you try or want. There are many unresolved political deaths in Kenya from Pinto Gama to Msando and blaming Raila will not work.

I hope msando did not believe that lie of everlasting life from that old senile deceptive, greedy coward called Raila. There are millions of honorable kenyans, kenyans who I encountered in 2017 campaigns, Kenyans who would rather sleep hungry than take a single penny from jubilee thieves. Kenyans who were ready to pay the ultimate price for a better kenya. I dont know what kind of God you believe in but the God I believe in is not a deceptive thief.

The handshake you parrot here day in and day out is nothing but a few elite payout agreement where Raila got paid billions of shilling in exchange of supporting election thieves
Why are you so bitter with RAO like he was god and he never delivered the everlasting life which he promised you. Get over it. Everything and everybody is in doubt for 2022. The post handshake political map of Kenya is yet to reveal itself for a meaningful analysis and no one can be counted in or out at this time.

Doubt Raila will ever rise from the ashes of betrayal. He is a professional presidential candidate who pimps his win for few pieces of silver, sacrificing hope, aspirations and lives  of millions kenyans. 2017 - 2018 veil has been lifted no more kidneys for the king.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2018, 10:57:48 PM »
Missed the point by a mile. Let me try again
1. Raila is a deceptive, greedy coward
That's your opinion. I would like to see some acts of selfleness and bravery from "internet worriors" like you for comparison purposes.
2. Msando paid ultimate price for quest to deliver a free and fair elections. The people who killed msando are the same people Raila ran
to for handshake in exchange for blood money.
Raila only shook Ouru's hand. If you believe Ouru killed Msando, provide the evidence. However, even if Ouru killed Msando, Raila has no power of prosecuting Ouru.  Raila and Ouru's handshake has brought peace, and political stability which has prevented more deaths, pain and suffering. Msando was not working for Raila, he was working for IEBC. His death is very unfortunate but to hang it around Raila's neck is the epitome of BS. 

3.  The deceptive coward has no honor. Before accepting handcheque he should have at least demanded justice for msando and other martyrs that paid ultimate price.
The handshake had nothing to do with Msando, and Raila was not responsible for Msando's life or death.  Raila saved the lives of many Kenyans who were being slaughtered by extending a hand of peace to Ouru
4. There are thousands of poor Kenyans who would rather die poor than betray their fellow country man or their country
Nobody is stopping you or any other Kenyan from leading those who want to die. I know millions of Kenyans who do not want to die over politics. They would rather live and solve the problems with time rather than cause chaos and suffering for even more Kenyans. They have seen it happen elsewhere like in Liberia and they prefer handshake to foolhardiness.

5. Handshake is only an agreement between 2 thieves to steal from Kenyans uninterrupted while stupido like you shout themselves hoarse here handshake handshake ad infinitum.
If its only between two people and the so called "internet worriors" are the majority then why do you need Raila. Just bring your General home, mobilize the masses and invade the statehouse. What are you waiting for. You still need Raila to do everything for you and if he refuses, you call him names. Raila is not your dog my friend. Lead the bloody revolution- until then its not even funny calling other people cowards.

6. Raila as long as he live will be on the ballot so he can cash out on elections. It's a business for him.

You can always vote against him, if  that's your opinion of him. Its called democracy.

7. Handshake or not as long as there are no free and fair elections in kenya the thieves will continue to determine the outcomes.

The thieves were determining the outcome of elections before the handshake, so blaming the old problems of Kenya on handshake is silly if not plain stupid.

You are going nuts bro. Raila had nothing to do with Msando's death and nothing you say will make him responsible. Msando died a horrible death in the hands of uhuruto and the responsibility cannot be placed on Raila not matter how much you try or want. There are many unresolved political deaths in Kenya from Pinto Gama to Msando and blaming Raila will not work.

I hope msando did not believe that lie of everlasting life from that old senile deceptive, greedy coward called Raila. There are millions of honorable kenyans, kenyans who I encountered in 2017 campaigns, Kenyans who would rather sleep hungry than take a single penny from jubilee thieves. Kenyans who were ready to pay the ultimate price for a better kenya. I dont know what kind of God you believe in but the God I believe in is not a deceptive thief.

The handshake you parrot here day in and day out is nothing but a few elite payout agreement where Raila got paid billions of shilling in exchange of supporting election thieves
Why are you so bitter with RAO like he was god and he never delivered the everlasting life which he promised you. Get over it. Everything and everybody is in doubt for 2022. The post handshake political map of Kenya is yet to reveal itself for a meaningful analysis and no one can be counted in or out at this time.

Doubt Raila will ever rise from the ashes of betrayal. He is a professional presidential candidate who pimps his win for few pieces of silver, sacrificing hope, aspirations and lives  of millions kenyans. 2017 - 2018 veil has been lifted no more kidneys for the king.
"I have done my job and I will not change anything dead or a live" Malonza

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2018, 10:27:30 AM »
The handshake is nothing more than Raila capitulating and surrendering to avoid another treason charge. The rest are nonsense. Ruto is sleepwalking to PORK and Uhuru is not an idiot to start a disastrous war with Kalenjin that will endanger more than 1M of their people and perhaps permanently make their lives in Rift Valley impossible.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2018, 01:21:52 AM »
No one was going to arrest Raila for treason. Before swearing in Raila had already accepted payment. People notified Raila about huge money movement through Junet Mohammed which he dismissed.

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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2018, 05:53:22 AM »
No one was going to arrest Raila for treason. Before swearing in Raila had already accepted payment. People notified Raila about huge money movement through Junet Mohammed which he dismissed.

Yep.   Baba is above the law because he has enough fanatics to bring the country to its knees.  The handshake was pragmatic.  It allowed baba and kamwana to pull back from the brink while saving face.  For kamwana, it had the added benefit of allowing him to throw the hustler under the bus without losing sleep.
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Re: Early Campaigns for 2022
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2019, 12:29:21 AM »
The handshake is nothing more than Raila capitulating and surrendering to avoid another treason charge. The rest are nonsense. Ruto is sleepwalking to PORK and Uhuru is not an idiot to start a disastrous war with Kalenjin that will endanger more than 1M of their people and perhaps permanently make their lives in Rift Valley impossible.
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