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Jubilee development
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Re: Jubilee development
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2018, 12:42:32 PM »
It's a big failure - water is the problem - Galana-Kulala river just doesn't have the water - so they need to build a new dam.

I rather someone try and fail - and learn - than never tries.

Jubilee need to dam that river ASAP and continue with this experiment.

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2018, 01:00:13 PM »
So no feasiability study on the availability of water was done before embarking on this massive fraud?

It's a big failure - water is the problem - Galana-Kulala river just doesn't have the water - so they need to build a new dam.

I rather someone try and fail - and learn - than never tries.

Jubilee need to dam that river ASAP and continue with this experiment.

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2018, 02:28:24 PM »
Shhh.   Nobody wants to hear anything about that.   Food security is one of Uhuru's Big 4, and he came to power with promises such as the 1-million-acre Galana project.   Have you heard him say anything about that recently?   Vision 3020 2030 was about showing that we could have big plans and plan big projects.   That has been done, and execution is for the birds.    Heard anyone talk about that Vision lately?   

In any case, Galana was about Kenyans eating, and there is no doubt that some Kenyans have eaten.   Plenty.   This is just from 2014, a year after Jubilee got into power: 

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Galana irrigation project calls for answers from State

The latest project in the news is the Galana-Kulalu Irrigation Scheme. Kenya was supposed to put a million acres under irrigation and in the process sort out the supply side constraints that have for decades driven inflation.

In between, the Sh1.6 billion was supposed to pave the way for establishment of agricultural towns in the area. But now serious questions are being asked about the viability and implementation of the project.

It is emerging that most of the cash, Sh920 million, will be shared out by the consultants doing the feasibility study and other work.
https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/analysis/Galana-irrigation-project-calls-for-answers-from-State/539548-2371072-imqqkv/index.html

Where did they go after such a "grand" start?  How many billions of shillings have supposedly gone into the project since 2013?

That one is finished.   Of the old ones, the only place left for serious eating is Konza City ... ultimately another joke.  New Projects are Vision are needed for the next five.
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Re: Jubilee development
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2018, 02:55:47 PM »
So no feasiability study on the availability of water was done before embarking on this massive fraud?

If I recall correctly, there were supposed to be some irrigation works.    And, in general, a place like Kenya, where poor rains always lead to starvation, needs to have some serious irrigation thing going.  And?

Take a look at how much has been spent on arming toddlers with tablets containing .pdf files and how much has been spent in the same period on irrigation for the entire country.  Priorities.    Popular gimmicks vs. substance.

Almost a year ago, Uhuru at his inauguration stated that:

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78. The recent prolonged drought has taught us some painful and expensive lessons. We must completely re-engineer our agricultural sector in order to be food secure. Never again should we allow the vagaries of weather to hold us hostage.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-Kenyatta-inauguration-speech-/1056-4206194-t1nh18/index.html

Painful and expensive.   The same lessons how many times?   So, what have we seen by way of even the slightest signs of the "re-engineering"?   How we plan to escape the vagaries of weather?   Oh ... wait a minute!   This is now a Big 4, so there.  "Mzungu, come quick and help" is for later.   

I used to wonder about the thinking processes of these guys.  These days I wonder if they think at all.   Manufacturing is another of the Big 4.   At the same speech cited above, Uhuru had this to say:

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72. Over my term, we will grow and sustain this manufacturing sector, and raise its share of the national cake from 9 to 15 percent.

According to his website (State House) he is even more ambitious today: 20% by 2022.    And how does he plan to do what has been near-impossible for decades?   He had an answer in the same speech:

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73. To achieve this leap, I have directed that with effect from 1st December 2017, the power tariffs charged to manufacturers will be reduced by 50 per cent between the hours of 10:00pm and 6:00am.  This in line with our policy of a 24-hour economy.

That's it, according to the man.  All just a matter of power tariffs.   If he has any other plans for how to achieve that "leap" (and the new-and-improved bigger one), he is certainly not sharing them with anyone else, which seems unhelpful.   So guess where manufacturing will be in 2022.

Still, in the Kenyan context, there is something positive about the new Big 4: the Eating Field has been reduced from the huge and amorphous Vision Thing.
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Re: Jubilee development
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2018, 04:17:47 PM »
So no feasiability study on the availability of water was done before embarking on this massive fraud?

If I recall correctly, there were supposed to be some irrigation works.    And, in general, a place like Kenya, where poor rains always lead to starvation, needs to have some serious irrigation thing going.  And?

Take a look at how much has been spent on arming toddlers with tablets containing .pdf files and how much has been spent in the same period on irrigation for the entire country.  Priorities.    Popular gimmicks vs. substance.

Almost a year ago, Uhuru at his inauguration stated that:

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78. The recent prolonged drought has taught us some painful and expensive lessons. We must completely re-engineer our agricultural sector in order to be food secure. Never again should we allow the vagaries of weather to hold us hostage.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-Kenyatta-inauguration-speech-/1056-4206194-t1nh18/index.html

Painful and expensive.   The same lessons how many times?   So, what have we seen by way of even the slightest signs of the "re-engineering"?   How we plan to escape the vagaries of weather?   Oh ... wait a minute!   This is now a Big 4, so there.  "Mzungu, come quick and help" is for later.   

I used to wonder about the thinking processes of these guys.  These days I wonder if they think at all.   Manufacturing is another of the Big 4.   At the same speech cited above, Uhuru had this to say:

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72. Over my term, we will grow and sustain this manufacturing sector, and raise its share of the national cake from 9 to 15 percent.

According to his website (State House) he is even more ambitious today: 20% by 2022.    And how does he plan to do what has been near-impossible for decades?   He had an answer in the same speech:

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73. To achieve this leap, I have directed that with effect from 1st December 2017, the power tariffs charged to manufacturers will be reduced by 50 per cent between the hours of 10:00pm and 6:00am.  This in line with our policy of a 24-hour economy.

That's it, according to the man.  All just a matter of power tariffs.   If he has any other plans for how to achieve that "leap" (and the new-and-improved bigger one), he is certainly not sharing them with anyone else, which seems unhelpful.   So guess where manufacturing will be in 2022.

Still, in the Kenyan context, there is something positive about the new Big 4: the Eating Field has been reduced from the huge and amorphous Vision Thing.
Early this year Tana river county and kwale had major floods, I wonder how come that water wasn't utilized to fill up the dams. The tariffs reduction to manufacturers only applies to heavy users e.g maybe brookside and Timsales?? Even with that reduction portland cement and ARM are on their deathbed. Whenever jubilee government comes up with a project its time to hide your wallet. This administration has been truly a disaster.

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Re: Jubilee development
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2018, 07:18:23 PM »
The project is on feasibility study - that is what Isreal are doings. R&D is expensive. Isreals had to spend a lot of money to build infrastructure to get to the land and just irrigate the 5,500 acres that they are planting - and trialing different crops.

What has been gathered is that water from river Gulana-Kulalu is not enough and gov is now building a 30B dam - upstream - once that is done - then Isreal will conduct more test - and eventually the entire 1 million actrees of land will be unlocked.

You guys need to have patience - this is long term goal - and is not a small project.

One wishes we had the muscle of Chinese here...but let see what famed Isrealis will do.

The project is not a failure - what is a failure is 10,000 acre model farm - and we need not stop. We fix the water supply and continue with phase 2 to unlock 400,000 acres. Then to other phases to unlock 1 m acres.

So no feasiability study on the availability of water was done before embarking on this massive fraud?

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Re: Jubilee development
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2018, 07:29:28 PM »
Tana river definitely can be dammed downstream and use to irrigate million of acres in Lamu, Malindi and Tana River. This need to happen. But as for Galana -Kulalu river - I believe once this 20Km long dam is built - this project will be back on track.

The coast definitely represent the future of our agricluture - we just need mega irrigation schemes - ran commercially. There is a lot of land with right climate (warm temperate) and lots of rivers running to indian oceans that ought to be dammed - and no stupid Nile Treaty.

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000173478/dam-for-galana-project-to-be-built
Early this year Tana river county and kwale had major floods, I wonder how come that water wasn't utilized to fill up the dams. The tariffs reduction to manufacturers only applies to heavy users e.g maybe brookside and Timsales?? Even with that reduction portland cement and ARM are on their deathbed. Whenever jubilee government comes up with a project its time to hide your wallet. This administration has been truly a disaster.

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Re: Jubilee development
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2018, 02:51:35 AM »
You guys need to have patience - this is long term goal - and is not a small project.

Scroll up on this very page, and you will find this from RV Pundit:

It's a big failure

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What has been gathered is that water from river Gulana-Kulalu is not enough and gov is now building a 30B dam - upstream -

Where can we find information on this dam?

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and eventually the entire 1 million actrees of land will be unlocked.

What million acres?   I have always thought that the government owned the land for this project or could somehow ensure that private owners would put it to appropriate use in a timely fashion.   Neither seems to be the case, and the land itself has become another eating opportunity.

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Multi-billion scandal unearthed at National Irrigation Board
https://citizentv.co.ke/news/multi-billion-scandal-unearthed-at-national-irrigation-board-202759/

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/02/auditor-general-finds-billions-missing-at-irrigation-board_c1766270

It appears that the leases mentioned above are for just five years; time to renew and eat again.   And, going  by the amount of missing money, the only water coming from the Irrigation board is in eyes turning misty with emotion as people eye their loot.   Kenyans have been seriously conned on this "Galana 1-million acres to ensure food security!". 
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Re: Jubilee development
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2018, 07:35:04 AM »
You guys need to have patience - this is long term goal - and is not a small project.

Scroll up on this very page, and you will find this from RV Pundit:

It's a big failure

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What has been gathered is that water from river Gulana-Kulalu is not enough and gov is now building a 30B dam - upstream -

Where can we find information on this dam?

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and eventually the entire 1 million actrees of land will be unlocked.

What million acres?   I have always thought that the government owned the land for this project or could somehow ensure that private owners would put it to appropriate use in a timely fashion.   Neither seems to be the case, and the land itself has become another eating opportunity.

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Multi-billion scandal unearthed at National Irrigation Board
https://citizentv.co.ke/news/multi-billion-scandal-unearthed-at-national-irrigation-board-202759/

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/02/auditor-general-finds-billions-missing-at-irrigation-board_c1766270

It appears that the leases mentioned above are for just five years; time to renew and eat again.   And, going  by the amount of missing money, the only water coming from the Irrigation board is in eyes turning misty with emotion as people eye their loot.   Kenyans have been seriously conned on this "Galana 1-million acres to ensure food security!". 
Keep calling him out... So so shameless ... Nipate archives never forget.  ... oh how the mighty have fallen. Kenya is a land of disappointment and failed expectations because of fake role models, the likes of Uhuru and RV pundit.

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Re: Jubilee development
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2018, 09:01:03 AM »
The usual hair splitting. The model farm failed. It failed because the water is just not enough. I don't know how else you think feasibility would have been done - but this model 10,000 acre farm is feasibility study in itself. The reason for failure has been identified - lack of enough water from galana -kulalu - and gov is building 20Km wide dam in Chagama Malindi -

This project should not be allowed to die to due to misinformation and the usual negativity. It's jointly funded by Kenya and Isreal gov. And as for graft - that is more than given - but country has to move forward.

You guys need to have patience - this is long term goal - and is not a small project.

Scroll up on this very page, and you will find this from RV Pundit:

It's a big failure

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What has been gathered is that water from river Gulana-Kulalu is not enough and gov is now building a 30B dam - upstream -

Where can we find information on this dam?

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and eventually the entire 1 million actrees of land will be unlocked.

What million acres?   I have always thought that the government owned the land for this project or could somehow ensure that private owners would put it to appropriate use in a timely fashion.   Neither seems to be the case, and the land itself has become another eating opportunity.

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Multi-billion scandal unearthed at National Irrigation Board
https://citizentv.co.ke/news/multi-billion-scandal-unearthed-at-national-irrigation-board-202759/

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/02/auditor-general-finds-billions-missing-at-irrigation-board_c1766270

It appears that the leases mentioned above are for just five years; time to renew and eat again.   And, going  by the amount of missing money, the only water coming from the Irrigation board is in eyes turning misty with emotion as people eye their loot.   Kenyans have been seriously conned on this "Galana 1-million acres to ensure food security!". 

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2018, 09:15:55 AM »
The usual hair splitting. The model farm failed. It failed because the water is just not enough. I don't know how else you think feasibility would have been done - but this model 10,000 acre farm is feasibility study in itself. The reason for failure has been identified - lack of enough water from galana -kulalu

All I did was reproduce your earlier comments and then add some facts about the project.  So the mode farmed failed because of lack of water, eh?    Didn't they think about water right when they started?

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and gov is building 20Km wide dam in Chagama Malindi -
 

20km certainly sounds like one heck of a dam.   Where can we find information on this great dam?
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2018, 09:37:58 AM »
Of course they thought about water - and many other things - which is why it began as 10,000 model farm - to study water, climate, crops and all that - then scale it to 400,000 acres and then flood the whole 1m acres - and let the private sector in.

Yes the proposed dam at Chagama, Malindi, will sit on 200,000 acres, so it's huge.

This project requires a strong leader to bulldoze thro otherwise misinformation will make it a stillbirth.  This is where Ruto comes in - we need big visions.

The same misinformation that nearly killed SGR.

The usual hair splitting. The model farm failed. It failed because the water is just not enough. I don't know how else you think feasibility would have been done - but this model 10,000 acre farm is feasibility study in itself. The reason for failure has been identified - lack of enough water from galana -kulalu

All I did was reproduce your earlier comments and then add some facts about the project.  So the mode farmed failed because of lack of water, eh?    Didn't they think about water right when they started?

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and gov is building 20Km wide dam in Chagama Malindi -
 

20km certainly sounds like one heck of a dam.   Where can we find information on this great dam?

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2018, 10:03:39 AM »
Of course they thought about water - and many other things - which is why it began as 10,000 model farm - to study water, climate, crops and all that - then scale it to 400,000 acres and then flood the whole 1m acres - and let the private sector in.

I see.   So they didn't know the water situation, climate, etc. in the area beforehand?   Where did they think water for a million acres would come from? And what crops have they been looking into other than maize (and on what scale)?

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Yes the proposed dam at Chagama, Malindi, will sit on 200,000 acres, so it's huge.

This project requires a strong leader to bulldoze thro otherwise misinformation will make it a stillbirth.  This is where Ruto comes in - we need big visions.

The same misinformation that nearly killed SGR.

That's why I am trying to get the real information on the "gov is building 20Km wide dam in Chagama Malindi" that "will sit on 200,000 acres, so it's huge".    Where can we find it?   (I note that the "gov" has suddenly stopped building and is now merely proposing.)
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2018, 10:34:25 AM »
This is huge project 1.5 trillion Kshs (15B usd project) with many phases. Pre-feasibility study was done. Then 10K model farm. Then gov decided to build the dam first - Galana dam - and before proceeding with phase 1. There are stuff nobody can really predict - like droughts. And there will be many crops - maize, sugar, wheat, etc.

I don't think Uhuru has the cojones to do this - so this project will wait for my man Ruto to accomplish.

Galana dam - will cost 40-50B - according to Ruto - so let wait and see if it will be funded as part of food security agenda 4 or not. But without that Galana dam - Galana-Kulalu project is as good as dead.

Of course they thought about water - and many other things - which is why it began as 10,000 model farm - to study water, climate, crops and all that - then scale it to 400,000 acres and then flood the whole 1m acres - and let the private sector in.

I see.   So they didn't know the water situation, climate, etc. in the area beforehand?   Where did they think water for a million acres would come from? And what crops have they been looking into other than maize (and on what scale)?

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Yes the proposed dam at Chagama, Malindi, will sit on 200,000 acres, so it's huge.

This project requires a strong leader to bulldoze thro otherwise misinformation will make it a stillbirth.  This is where Ruto comes in - we need big visions.

The same misinformation that nearly killed SGR.

That's why I am trying to get the real information on the "gov is building 20Km wide dam in Chagama Malindi" that "will sit on 200,000 acres, so it's huge".    Where can we find it?   (I note that the "gov" has suddenly stopped building and is now merely proposing.)

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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2018, 01:37:35 PM »
There are stuff nobody can really predict - like droughts.

Yes, droughts cannot be predicted.   But how many times will Kenyan experience droughts and keep on with the "mzungu, come quick and help, no food!" before they realize that droughts every few years are a part of regular life in Kenya and start preparing for them?   

When Jubilee came to power in 2013, there was a lot of noise about Galana-1-million (and the rest of the so-called Vision 2030) and how things would finally be sorted out.   At the end of 2017, Uhuru was talking about a "painful and expensive lesson".  How many painful lessons do Kenyans really need on drought and food?   At the start of that year, before Uhuru's lament, many pointed questions were asked all over the place.   Here is a sample:

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Feb. 22, 2017: What became of Galana-kulalu?



https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/02/22/what-became-of-galana-kulalu_c1510005

"We are starving because the Gods, quite unpredictably, did not send rain for our crops and livestock" seems quite odd when at the same time toddlers are getting armed with laptops, to prepare them for the "Silicon Savanah" that will supposedly propel Kenya to the upper echelons of the high-tech world.

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And there will be many crops - maize, sugar, wheat, etc.

And which of those have they been working on at the so-called model farm?

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Galana dam - will cost 40-50B - according to Ruto - so let wait and see if it will be funded as part of food security agenda 4 or not. But without that Galana dam - Galana-Kulalu project is as good as dead.

The great dam again.   Sometimes being built by "gov", and sometimes just being proposed.   Whichever it is, where can we find appropriate information on this great dam?
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2018, 01:44:51 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2018, 02:37:33 PM »
Power for majority domestic users has doubled as they talk of lowering.

For commercial and industrial consumers they will head Mumias way - manufacturing dead.

https://www.nation.co.ke/video/news/4146788-4704484-dta0afz/index.html

Talking of dead Mumias - their packaging is being used to sell impounded sugar at quite some crazy margins with a kilo now at Kshs. 200.
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