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Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« on: July 24, 2018, 05:40:35 PM »
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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2018, 05:58:48 PM »
Yes - but Matiangi will survive. He is too powerful to be brought down now.

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2018, 06:56:36 PM »
Nobody is too powerful to be brought down. Look at Ruto.  I agree that he is still a useful idiot, but that will end and he will be discarded.

Yes - but Matiangi will survive. He is too powerful to be brought down now.
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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2018, 07:54:39 PM »
They can always take him out or reshuffle him to one of those useless ministry or create one for him then fire him...no one is indispensable. ....

Uhuru is on the cusp of being the greatest president in Kenya history. If he slay corruption beast am sure Kenyans will give him a third term just like American did to Franklin D. Roosevelt.

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2018, 08:31:36 PM »
Al shabaab is fighting terror for us

We have Haji on one side and now Amina

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2018, 01:50:51 AM »
The problem is the EACC. Matiangi and others have found they can corrupt them. The EACC keeps sending the fike to Hajji with serious deliberate flaws. Unlike Tobiko, he returns the file with specific demands. They meet some of the demands but create new issues. He sends it back.

I think Uhuru does not want to dirty his hands. He has left it to Hajji to do his thing. The day Hajji gets a sustainable case, he will move to arrest the bastard.

I think the bribery approach will in the end sink Matiangi quite deep. That is because every time the file is returned either way, the case against him becomes stronger. In reality there are no more loopholes on Matiangi file. It is the sneaky businessman who is putting up a hard fight. In the end I see one or other of the present or past land officials appearing in the dock along with the entire horde.

Hajji has even improved on the charges by filling in the gaps that Wako and Tobiko used to create making proof harder. I am only missing the portion about Obstruction (to use the American term as the British equivalent: perversion is more general) of justice. This will scare those who forge documentation and backdate events to save thieves. I see that as one of the main problems. I think a law encompassing the shredding or altering of documents post facto would slow the thieves and their helpers. I have confidence in Hajji. I didn't at first thinking he was another Abdikadir Hussein Mohammed.
Al shabaab is fighting terror for us

We have Haji on one side and now Amina

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2018, 01:53:41 AM »
Amina is a loyalist who knows which side of the bread is currently buttered. I think she would throw anybody under the bus if she divined what Uhuru's face means that morning. She is totally clueless and lacks a backbone. Just good looks.

Al shabaab is fighting terror for us

We have Haji on one side and now Amina

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... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2018, 09:52:41 AM »
It obvious this was huge fraud. So turns out Drive Inn Estates actually surrended the land and then Francis Mburu later went to court.

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2018, 01:15:13 PM »
Not sure what to make of this statement that implicates everyone

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KvKvsX81M0Lus2qwNMVCjOHJxNa8fgC5/view?usp=drivesdk
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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2018, 01:27:50 PM »
There is a lot of truth in that. Frank Mburu has sold and resold that land to gov and it's parastalals so many times. That Jaluo man got 10M from Mburu - so obviously they've been in business together.

But so far it appears facts are as follows.
1) 1982- Mburu two companies buy 96 acres from Jotham
2) 1983 - Mburu two companies want the land subdivided into two so they can build an estate
3) 1984 - Mburu registers a new company Drive In Estate - accepts those demands - and curve out the land for Primary & Secondary & etc.
4) 1980s - Mburu's Drive In Estate goes into a deal with Posta to build estate for it's workers. His fails to complete and title is held as security by the Bank receiver.
5) 1990s - The two schools proceed to register their title. They have titles.

Post Moi era - Mburu goes into a bribery and fraud frenzy - forging papers, remove paper trails, bribing lawyers & judges, and we are now in a fine mess.

I think this classic case that illustrate the complexity of fighting crime in country where everyone is a criminal. To prosecute Mburu - you need to bring in so many people.

Not sure what to make of this statement that implicates everyone

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KvKvsX81M0Lus2qwNMVCjOHJxNa8fgC5/view?usp=drivesdk

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2018, 01:40:51 PM »
Also Mburu could just be  con or proxy. The bank that financed purchase and development on this land was owned by a Mr. Wahome. Continental Bank that went under was owned by Wahome.

This bank went under with public money and held Mburu title as a security - so essential Mburu land is public land. Gov appointed a receiver who upto date owns the title of "Mburu" land - a land he lost when he defaulted on loan - receiver need to get Mburu assets and pay the likes of NSSF their dues.

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2018, 04:49:12 PM »
The more you think about then it become clear mburu was wahome proxy to avoid inside lending traps..start a bank, get deposits and loan yourself money to buy and develop property.The Luo whistle blower is 100% on money and he deserve an award for saving public money.Mburu lost his "property" when wahome collapsed with public money and his title as a collateral.

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2018, 07:51:33 PM »
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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Re: Amina Threw Matiangi Under the Bus
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2018, 09:26:45 PM »
Mburu will face one major problem: The inherited colonial bureaucracy. Those old civil servants - the last batch of which left government service in the very early 90s were wizards. It is only that fact alone that has even seen him on his defence.

The last time someone tried to steal land my father bought years ago, he ran into trouble because he needed 11 different people to sign a forgery and thus make it valid post facto. They easily forged the signatures of the dead but ran in to hard wind when it came to the old men and one woman still alive. They also knew how to protect themselves from cartels. To my surprise, they did keep some files away from the thieves by filing under different names and keeping them in the same mess.

Mburu ran in to that kind of problem when trying to destroy evidence of him having given away any land.

But on Matiangi: He had no basis to make a decision ignoring the opinion of the ministry's bureaucrats. I can't see any way he can escape other than by political means.

Vooke, Mburu is lying his ass hot. Hajji has enough evidence but he wants it airtight. 
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