Kitendawili

[Pajero]

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[Kadudu]

Actually the norm is you say first kitendawili.
Then one responds with tega.
After that then follows your tirades.

[RV Pundit]

keep up with poetry and riddles.Ruto remain the man to beat in 2022 and of course deputy if not co president now.

[Pajero]

Man  to beat with only  1.2 million votes,ha ha wonders never sieze

[RV Pundit]

Uhuru brought 4m votes..Ruto brought 4m votes..to make 8m..which is why gov has been shared equally right from cabinet to parastals & agencies & ambassadors.In 2013 Uhuru tna had 85mps against Urp 78mps...uhuru enjoying the head of the ticket advantage.That good indicator of strength of each principals.zin 2017 i bet Ruto edged uhuru by bringing new votes esp in western kenya.Uhuru outside gema is a hard sell and without the anti kikyuyu sentiment in 2022 i expect Ruto to make mince meat of senile Raila and other pretenders in 2022.Ruto is likely to sweep bukusu, wanga and other sub tribes of luhya, he is definitely taking turkana and will flip coast even if raila pick joho as his running mate in another futile ran.Ruto will defintely sweep kamatusa+pastoral votes of northern kenya.He will struggle in gusii and that is where he need to focus on.

Man  to beat with only  1.2 million votes,ha ha wonders never sieze

[Pajero]

Ati Ruto brought 4 million votes ,from where ,Please go slow on weed.

[RV Pundit]

Where do you think all non-gema votes that Uhuru got came from? Raila . I have given you an example. In 2013 - URP had 78mps. TNA 85 Mps. Difference 7 Mps.

Ati Ruto brought 4 million votes ,from where ,Please go slow on weed.

[Pajero]

So you think having mps is equivalent to having popular vote,you cant equate mps to the popular vote,its like comparing mangos to oranges.we have cases where an mp is elected on a particular party ticket but the presidential vote goes to another party,ie Mpuri Aburi was elected on ODM but the presidential vote went to Uhuru,Washiali and co in western were elected on jubilee ticket but Raila bagged over 70% of presidential votes in their constituencies,Mvurya was re elected on jubilee but Raila got over 80% in kwale county,mwashetani the same.

And besides out of the 60 mps URP got in 2013,over close to 50 were from from Rift valley,meaning outside RV he just managed about 15 or 20 mps,confirming that he is just another hyped tribal war chief.

[RV Pundit]

The same is true for all parties - TNA/ODM - Most of const are roughly equal - except for a few protected ones - therefore counting the number of Mps each party had - when it was possible to distinguish URP from TNA is good indicator of party support. The outliers are in each party. TNA had nearly all it;s mps from GEMA.

In fact I just did quick "MOAS" to attempt to slice Jubilee votes - based on party & principal strengths - and difference is about 1.3M votes for Uhuru who was in the HEAD of the ticket - there was low turn out in URP zones - nearly 1M kalenjin didn't vote - half of MATUSA decided to vote for Raila and etc - those are votes Ruto will easily take if he was the head of ticket. Uhareuru is such a hard sell outside GEMA..but he started strong with nearly 4M gema votes.

In 2022 - I expect to see depressed turn out in GEMA - with reverse in kamatusa (RV) who will be batting for Ruto - therefore Ruto will be home & dry. If Raila was to ran as strong candidates (say he somehow keep NASA intact) - GEMA will turn out to vote the lesser evil Ruto.

 COUNTY CODE     COUNTY_NAME     REGISTERED VOTERS     UHURU KENYATTA    Uhuru   Ruto
01    MOMBASA     580,644   99,190   49595   49595
02    KWALE     281,102   43,694   8738.8   34955.2
03    KILIFI     508,425   49,575   9915   39660
04    TANA RIVER     118,338   40,115   8023   32092
05    LAMU     69,793   23,905   4781   19124
06    TAITA TAVETA     155,794   31,127   6225.4   24901.6
07    GARISSA     163,350   54,783   10956.6   43826.4
08    WAJIR     162,912   60,508   12101.6   48406.4
09    MANDERA     175,650   112,456   22491.2   89964.8
10    MARSABIT     141,730   92,696   18539.2   74156.8
11    ISIOLO     75,355   26,746   13373   13373
12    MERU     702,776   482,580   472928.4   9651.6
13    THARAKA - NITHI     213,157   162,529   159278.42   3250.58
14    EMBU     309,731   231,350   226723   4627
15    KITUI     474,563   64,652   32326   32326
16    MACHAKOS     620,363   82,629   41314.5   41314.5
17    MAKUENI     423,434   27,388   13694   13694
18    NYANDARUA     335,696   286,593   280861.14   5731.86
19    NYERI     457,197   389,410   381621.8   7788.2
20    KIRINYAGA     349,970   297,652   291698.96   5953.04
21    MURANG'A     587,222   498,248   488283.04   9964.96
22    KIAMBU     1,181,076   912,588   894336.24   18251.76
23    TURKANA     191,435   62,611   6261.1   56349.9
24    WEST POKOT     180,241   97,620   1952.4   95667.6
25    SAMBURU     82,794   31,746   634.92   31111.08
26    TRANS NZOIA     339,715   110,489   2209.78   108279.22
27    UASIN GISHU     450,159   265,704   26570.4   239133.6
28    ELGEYO/MARAKWET     180,679   138,634   2772.68   135861.32
29    NANDI     346,102   235,243   4704.86   230538.14
30    BARINGO     232,311   161,423   3228.46   158194.54
31    LAIKIPIA     246,693   177,772   124440.4   53331.6
32    NAKURU     949,971   639,297   351613.35   287683.65
33    NAROK     341,761   149,376   14937.6   134438.4
34    KAJIADO     411,267   186,481   93240.5   93240.5
35    KERICHO     375,691   272,974   5459.48   267514.52
36    BOMET     322,024   229,599   4591.98   225007.02
37    KAKAMEGA     743,929   63,399   6339.9   57059.1
38    VIHIGA     272,415   18,275   1827.5   16447.5
39    BUNGOMA     559,866   126,475   12647.5   113827.5
40    BUSIA     351,087   34,239   3423.9   30815.1
41    SIAYA     457,957   2,494   1247   1247
42    KISUMU     539,593   7,411   3705.5   3705.5
43    HOMA BAY     476,932   1,960   980   980
44    MIGORI     388,700   46,112   23056   23056
45    KISII     546,682   174,213   104527.8   69685.2
46    NYAMIRA     278,853   106,508   63904.8   42603.2
47    NAIROBI CITY     2,251,929   791,291   553903.7   237387.3
48    DIASPORA     4,393   1,504   752   752
    NATIONAL TOTAL    19,611,423   8,203,290   4,866,739   3,336,525
   NATIONAL %AGE      54.27%   8,203,264   

So you think having mps is equivalent to having popular vote,you cant equate mps to the popular vote,its like comparing mangos to oranges.we have cases where an mp is elected on a particular party ticket but the presidential vote goes to another party,ie Mpuri Aburi was elected on ODM but the presidential vote went to Uhuru,Washiali and co in western were elected on jubilee ticket but Raila bagged over 70% of presidential votes in their constituencies,Mvurya was re elected on jubilee but Raila got over 80% in kwale county,mwashetani the same.

And besides out of the 60 mps URP got in 2013,over close to 50 were from from Rift valley,meaning outside RV he just managed about 15 or 20 mps,confirming that he is just another hyped tribal war chief.

[Pajero]

Ruto has not been tested and its wrong to imagine that he will take votes from Raila or rather Raila strong holds.Ruto has never ran for any presidential election.infact the most competitive political office Ruto has ran for is member of parliament.Whatever you are claiming is hypothetical and not factual.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto lead URP to win 78Mps, about 13 governorship & senators in 2013. Ruto led NOs to get 31%. And Ruto has been co-president with Uhuru for some years now. Ruto now control the majority of MPs - has parliamentary leadership save for Speaker Muturi as his henchmen. He has about 20 or more governors working with him. What more testing do you need. The only opinion poll of 2022 had him clear favourite.

Raila is going down  and Ruto is replacing him as NON-GEMA leader. Everyone knows that except Luos.

Ruto has not been tested and its wrong to imagine that he will take votes from Raila or rather Raila strong holds.Ruto has never ran for any presidential election.infact the most competitive political office Ruto has ran for is member of parliament.Whatever you are claiming is hypothetical and not factual.

[Pajero]

[Omollo]

Pajero

Our friend Pundit is caught in a flux or what I call political  yo-yoing. You may call it a seesawing situation. That may explain his foul mouth and love for ad hominem (vulgaris)

Until the Ruto-Uhuru relationship is clarified, you really can't get a straight and stable position from him. One one hand and deep inside, he knows that there is a rapture that may not heal. Then he sees the loss that he and the other of Ruto's camarilla will suffer and decides it is too high, seeing how deeply he is invested in a Ruto presidency. He therefore opts to carry on with the dream of Uhuru and Ruto patching up things.

Masinde made it clear several years ago when he stated that there is no Uhuruto. There is the Uhuru Kenyatta Regime. Just like we had the Jomo Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki Regimes. GEMA wanted to keep Ruto relaxed and could suffer his looting and insubordination (through upstaging Uhuru and granting himself equal status to him) for as long as the 2017 elections loomed. When 2017 came to pass, Ruto's fate was sealed. Raila had a role albeit indirectly.

The Murage admission (which Pundit has predictably dismissed) is telling. According to GEMA, they rigged the election. By so doing, the role of Ruto had diminished in that he could no longer claim to be the GEMA lifeline. With that expired his second insurance policy.

The fact that Raila ran his most effective campaign ever and badly defeated Uhuru in the first round contributed. Here is what it further meant:

1. Even if GEMA supports Ruto in 2022, he has no chance of beating Raila. GEMA reckons that despite inflating voter numbers in Kiambu, Nakuru and other areas, Raila still managed to get more voters registered in NASA strongholds. So if GEMA could not beat Raila, they simply don't see how Ruto would do it. I.e. The tyranny of numbers dissolved before their own eyes like a punctured inflated balloon

2. Ruto's magic was tested in

[RV Pundit]

Pajero:
URP had 62 elected mps  - 10 women reps and 3 nominated - against TNA's 72 elected (only 10 more than URP yet Uhuru was head of ticket) - 14 women reps - and 3 nominated.

URP when Ruto was just mere MP fighting ICC had 75 mps against TNA 89 and ODM 96 (Raila as Prime Minister & nusu mkate principal). Total TNA+URP were around 160 - now Ruto has added about 20-30 mps more -and come 2022 - he'll add 20 -30 more.

Meanwhile Raila party dropped from 96 Mps to 76mps(including women rep)--Raila lost 20 constituency from 2013- and every election he has been hammorraging from high of 2007 when ODM had more 50% of parliament. Next election ODM will lose about 20Mps (entire coast) - leaving him core Luo constituency and 1 or 2 mps here and there.

The National Alliance   72   14   3   89
United Republican Party   62   10   3   75
National Rainbow Coalition   3
Total   137   24   6   167

[RV Pundit]

I deal with facts. I do not invent alternative facts when reality is unfavorable. You make ridiculous claims that can only be made by a mad man. That MOAS was part of rigging . And now you're also making false claims that Murathe admitted to rigging. 

Yes fact is UhuRuto relationship is getting tested. This is not the first time. During the first 2 yrs 2013-2014 - Ruto had fights with some Uhuru civil servants - Iringo-Nancy-Kimemia - who had engineered ICC lies, coached witnesses and supplied Bensauda with one-sided intelligence briefs - and this time round - Ruto is facing the same group of folks - who are re-grouping and jostling for power. This is just normal day in politics. These likes of Kibicho-Nancy-Murathe - are political neophytes who couldn't not beat Sonko leave alone Ruto. Uhuru has had to cancel AU meeting to make peace with Ruto - and it just a matter of time before they are fired. Uhuru cannot risk his legacy & Jubilee for some few civil servants.If these lots were political type - I'd be worried - but all GEMA political leaders save for ODM Wambugu are on board Mv Ruto.

Facts are stubborn - and come d-day - as always you'll ran to toilet to cry yourself with pajero for some months - while I will be here.

Pajero

Our friend Pundit is caught in a flux or what I call political  yo-yoing. You may call it a seesawing situation. That may explain his foul mouth and love for ad hominem (vulgaris)

Until the Ruto-Uhuru relationship is clarified, you really can't get a straight and stable position from him. One one hand and deep inside, he knows that there is a rapture that may not heal. Then he sees the loss that he and the other of Ruto's camarilla will suffer and decides it is too high, seeing how deeply he is invested in a Ruto presidency. He therefore opts to carry on with the dream of Uhuru and Ruto patching up things.

Masinde made it clear several years ago when he stated that there is no Uhuruto. There is the Uhuru Kenyatta Regime. Just like we had the Jomo Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki Regimes. GEMA wanted to keep Ruto relaxed and could suffer his looting and insubordination (through upstaging Uhuru and granting himself equal status to him) for as long as the 2017 elections loomed. When 2017 came to pass, Ruto's fate was sealed. Raila had a role albeit indirectly.

The Murage admission (which Pundit has predictably dismissed) is telling. According to GEMA, they rigged the election. By so doing, the role of Ruto had diminished in that he could no longer claim to be the GEMA lifeline. With that expired his second insurance policy.

The fact that Raila ran his most effective campaign ever and badly defeated Uhuru in the first round contributed. Here is what it further meant:

1. Even if GEMA supports Ruto in 2022, he has no chance of beating Raila. GEMA reckons that despite inflating voter numbers in Kiambu, Nakuru and other areas, Raila still managed to get more voters registered in NASA strongholds. So if GEMA could not beat Raila, they simply don't see how Ruto would do it. I.e. The tyranny of numbers dissolved before their own eyes like a punctured inflated balloon

2. Ruto's magic was tested in

[Pajero]

From the man who invented tyranny

Deputy President William Ruto has been warned against expecting immense support from the Kikuyu community in 2022. Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/278524-william-ruto-expect-kikuyus-repay-2022-mutahi-ngunyi.html#278524https://www.tuko.co.ke/278524-william-ruto-expect-kikuyus-repay-2022-mutahi-ngunyi.html#278524https://www.tuko.co.ke/278524-william-ruto-expect-kikuyus-repay-2022-mutahi-ngunyi.html#278524

[Omollo]

Those reading know that I have - unlike you - substantiated, supported,  justified, vindicated, validated, corroborated, verified, authenticated and confirmed each and every line I have written.

We are here now conducting this exchange because you have opted for matusi and yes claims you cannot back.

Let me borrow from your generalizations and say "fact is" the 2017 election was rigged. I can add that for Uhuru and his unpopular supporters to score 54% is a coincidence that can happen on planet Jupiter. I rely on FACTS when I quote the Supreme Court. How do you respond to that?

Well, subjectively. For 5 years you told us to bow down to Mutunga's judgment with the refrain "respect the Supreme Court". Was that because you respect courts or because you only respect them when they side with you? The answer came faster than I imagined. As soon as Maraga ruled against Uhuru, you went ballistic on the court and openly called for it to be abolished, among other things. Now that is a guy who gives double standards a very bad reputation.

Do you base your positions on facts?

Let us see: When PEV happened and it was clear that Ocampo might target the real killer - Kibaki - you supported the ICC. You even changed your avatar to Ocampo's photo. Then the ICC investigated further and indicated Ruto among others. You went ballistic. You launched a massive nonstop war on Ocampo and the ICC. The war was relentless. You only relented after Ruto and Uhuru seized the State of Kenya and deployed its might to derail the cases against them.

Some of the remarkable things in your devotion to facts:

1. When Uhuru was the enemy you could detail how he held meetings and fundraised for Mungiki and wonder why Ocampo was not getting him fast enough. But after he married Ruto you discounted that in a shameless about face. Sudenly the facts did not matter!
2. Before Ruto was indicted and charges confirmed against him, you recounted with unbridled and unrestrained enthusiasm characterized by Kalenjin nationalistic heroism how the "warriors" visited mayhem on Kikuyus. You presented them as an organization - a military organization with structures: AFTER Ruto's indictment, you made a 180 degree change. You denied any organization existed and instead described a leaderless auto acting body. In fact you presented the "warriors" as genetically endowed with a special mechanism that sets them to attack Kikuyus without any external command. Each unit (Warrior) acts autonomously. This is the same flapdoodle you have resorted to as another bout of ethnic violence looms in the Rift Valley

I can go on and on, especially if I were to look casually through the nipate .org and .com archives in a more detailed manner. I can tell you this: You Pundit have no relationship whatever with anything within a million miles of facts.

I explained the use of "obscure" sites by campaigns as focus groups. Instead of countering that with FACTS, you resort to invective. What a shame. Bure kabisa

I deal with facts. I do not invent alternative facts when reality is unfavorable. You make ridiculous claims that can only be made by a mad man. That MOAS was part of rigging . And now you're also making false claims that Murathe admitted to rigging. 

Yes fact is UhuRuto relationship is getting tested. This is not the first time. During the first 2 yrs 2013-2014 - Ruto had fights with some Uhuru civil servants - Iringo-Nancy-Kimemia - who had engineered ICC lies, coached witnesses and supplied Bensauda with one-sided intelligence briefs - and this time round - Ruto is facing the same group of folks - who are re-grouping and jostling for power. This is just normal day in politics. These likes of Kibicho-Nancy-Murathe - are political neophytes who couldn't not beat Sonko leave alone Ruto. Uhuru has had to cancel AU meeting to make peace with Ruto - and it just a matter of time before they are fired. Uhuru cannot risk his legacy & Jubilee for some few civil servants.If these lots were political type - I'd be worried - but all GEMA political leaders save for ODM Wambugu are on board Mv Ruto.

Facts are stubborn - and come d-day - as always you'll ran to toilet to cry yourself with pajero for some months - while I will be here.

[Omollo]

From the man who invented tyranny

Deputy President William Ruto has been warned against expecting immense support from the Kikuyu community in 2022. Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/278524-william-ruto-expect-kikuyus-repay-2022-mutahi-ngunyi.html#278524https://www.tuko.co.ke/278524-william-ruto-expect-kikuyus-repay-2022-mutahi-ngunyi.html#278524https://www.tuko.co.ke/278524-william-ruto-expect-kikuyus-repay-2022-mutahi-ngunyi.html#278524

Pajero

You are wasting good time substantiating. Pundit finding it hard to respond to facts will trash it as "fake news" and then swear that he only relies on facts.

[RV Pundit]

What there to respond to here. Mutahi ngunyi analysis? There is of course the bare minimum standards - and I don't do fake news & yellow online rags. This is not a new position from me. This has been my modus operandi for years - even when I supported Raila's ODM.

I know you guys are desperately scavenging for good news (or bad news on Ruto). You went as far as fishing Jumwa video of last year. Daily you're posting rubbish that ought not to make to this site. And I am supposed to respond or refute RUBBISH that your pick online and paste it here.Pajero and you will only succeed in making this site an eye-sore like toilet.com.

Pajero

You are wasting good time substantiating. Pundit finding it hard to respond to facts will trash it as "fake news" and then swear that he only relies on facts.

[RV Pundit]

You're incorrigible idiot. I do not change positions or facts based on politics of the day. There are times I support XYZ but when I find out "truth"- then I immediately change. I sway with facts. Yes fact is SCORK made a stupid decision - that waste our money - because Raila knew he got beat and he couldn't stand in the repeat. UhuRuto are still in power and so is everyone else. So far there have been I think zero lower elections overturned because of IEBC rigging - it been mainly a candidate did or didn't do this. Ocampo made a mess - and I explained why - and he is 6-NIL as we speak. I still insist Uhuru was involved with Mungiki. I explained how politician were involved in RV violence - they weren't the cog - the best they did was to oil the war machine that based on traditional warrior set up. I believe Ruto has looted or stole a lot the last few years. Etc etc. I am not invested in politics. I am just a dispassionate pundit of our politics. But yes I support UhuRuto & Jubilee now - just like I supported ODM previously -and Kibaki's NARC & DP before that.

Those reading know that I have - unlike you - substantiated, supported,  justified, vindicated, validated, corroborated, verified, authenticated and confirmed each and every line I have written.

We are here now conducting this exchange because you have opted for matusi and yes claims you cannot back.

Let me borrow from your generalizations and say "fact is" the 2017 election was rigged. I can add that for Uhuru and his unpopular supporters to score 54% is a coincidence that can happen on planet Jupiter. I rely on FACTS when I quote the Supreme Court. How do you respond to that?

Well, subjectively. For 5 years you told us to bow down to Mutunga's judgment with the refrain "respect the Supreme Court". Was that because you respect courts or because you only respect them when they side with you? The answer came faster than I imagined. As soon as Maraga ruled against Uhuru, you went ballistic on the court and openly called for it to be abolished, among other things. Now that is a guy who gives double standards a very bad reputation.

Do you base your positions on facts?

Let us see: When PEV happened and it was clear that Ocampo might target the real killer - Kibaki - you supported the ICC. You even changed your avatar to Ocampo's photo. Then the ICC investigated further and indicated Ruto among others. You went ballistic. You launched a massive nonstop war on Ocampo and the ICC. The war was relentless. You only relented after Ruto and Uhuru seized the State of Kenya and deployed its might to derail the cases against them.

Some of the remarkable things in your devotion to facts:

1. When Uhuru was the enemy you could detail how he held meetings and fundraised for Mungiki and wonder why Ocampo was not getting him fast enough. But after he married Ruto you discounted that in a shameless about face. Sudenly the facts did not matter!
2. Before Ruto was indicted and charges confirmed against him, you recounted with unbridled and unrestrained enthusiasm characterized by Kalenjin nationalistic heroism how the "warriors" visited mayhem on Kikuyus. You presented them as an organization - a military organization with structures: AFTER Ruto's indictment, you made a 180 degree change. You denied any organization existed and instead described a leaderless auto acting body. In fact you presented the "warriors" as genetically endowed with a special mechanism that sets them to attack Kikuyus without any external command. Each unit (Warrior) acts autonomously. This is the same flapdoodle you have resorted to as another bout of ethnic violence looms in the Rift Valley

I can go on and on, especially if I were to look casually through the nipate .org and .com archives in a more detailed manner. I can tell you this: You Pundit have no relationship whatever with anything within a million miles of facts.

I explained the use of "obscure" sites by campaigns as focus groups. Instead of countering that with FACTS, you resort to invective. What a shame. Bure kabisa

I deal with facts. I do not invent alternative facts when reality is unfavorable. You make ridiculous claims that can only be made by a mad man. That MOAS was part of rigging . And now you're also making false claims that Murathe admitted to rigging. 

Yes fact is UhuRuto relationship is getting tested. This is not the first time. During the first 2 yrs 2013-2014 - Ruto had fights with some Uhuru civil servants - Iringo-Nancy-Kimemia - who had engineered ICC lies, coached witnesses and supplied Bensauda with one-sided intelligence briefs - and this time round - Ruto is facing the same group of folks - who are re-grouping and jostling for power. This is just normal day in politics. These likes of Kibicho-Nancy-Murathe - are political neophytes who couldn't not beat Sonko leave alone Ruto. Uhuru has had to cancel AU meeting to make peace with Ruto - and it just a matter of time before they are fired. Uhuru cannot risk his legacy & Jubilee for some few civil servants.If these lots were political type - I'd be worried - but all GEMA political leaders save for ODM Wambugu are on board Mv Ruto.

Facts are stubborn - and come d-day - as always you'll ran to toilet to cry yourself with pajero for some months - while I will be here.