Runaway Crime Among Kikuyus

[Omollo]

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Why are ethnic Kikuyus over represented in Crime in Kenya?

Recently several attempts were made to scam me through Mpesa. Everyone of the scammers was ethnic Kikuyu.

Now when people said there was a high prevalence of HIV in Nyanza, we accepted and asked for more help. I am glad lots has been done - even circumcision. 

So why is nothing being done to check the malady of crime in Kikuyuland?

Ofcourse when this is mentioned, stones are thrown and one is accused of "tribalism" and "hate". I hope nobody has accused anybody of hate for the HIV thing.

[Globalcitizen12]

Closeness to Nairobi..before your grandmother knw the value of a knicker my grandmother was in miniskirt going to school ..

[Omollo]

Closeness to Nairobi..before your grandmother knw the value of a knicker my grandmother was in miniskirt going to school ..

I know. She opened Koinange Street. My Grandfather told me. Alikuwa malaya sugu!

[Globalcitizen12]

At least kikuyu women are still making money ..your wives are bartering their nunus for a morsel and fish soup

[vooke]

Beastiality too

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The question is are they or is this just a popular stereotype?  I would love to see some credible citation that this is the case.  My hunch is their representation aligns with their proportion of the population.

[Georgesoros]

People
please stop the tribalism.
Crime is rampant EVERYWHERE!

[vooke]

The question is are they or is this just a popular stereotype?  I would love to see some credible citation that this is the case.  My hunch is their representation aligns with their proportion of the population.

I think it's a stereotype that would prove not too far from the truth is real data was availed

[Kichwa]

I think the stereotype can be correlated by statistics but the causation is not their tribe.  I think being at the front seats of  colonialism/apartheid/mau mau/urbanization/struggle for independence/post independence drama/2nd liberation etc. contributed.  Elswhere in Kenya you will notice that those areas around major cities or towns have more crimes.

The question is are they or is this just a popular stereotype?  I would love to see some credible citation that this is the case.  My hunch is their representation aligns with their proportion of the population.

[vooke]

I think the stereotype can be correlated by statistics but the causation is not their tribe.  I think being at the front seats of  colonialism/apartheid/mau mau/urbanization/struggle for independence/post independence drama/2nd liberation etc. contributed.  Elswhere in Kenya you will notice that those areas around major cities or towns have more crimes.

The question is are they or is this just a popular stereotype?  I would love to see some credible citation that this is the case.  My hunch is their representation aligns with their proportion of the population.

Sure
There's no tribe I know that glorifies crime, barring pastoral communities culture of cattle raids, and that has never evolved into modern crime.

Okoyu are only rivaled by Kisiis.

Never understood it but someone theorized high population density pushes them just like Nigerians

[RV Pundit]

My theory is that Kikuyus were uprooted by coloniliast & thrown all over kenya leading to collapse of traditional welfare/support structures based on kinship that would act as safety-net  and therefore a poor kikuyu most likely has no one to turn to - just some distant relatives who can't really help them.  You see the same thing with IDPS - they mostly lived in deplorable camps - while rest of kenya became integrated IDPS accommodated by their relatives. This will eventually happen to all tribes. The solution is to replace traditional welfare systems with formal modern welfare systems  that gurantees nobody is too poor or desperate to steal. The poor kikuyus who makes the majority of street kids ought to be placed in some welfare systems just like turkanas are in some kind of systems.

[Omollo]

I disagree. Some parts of Kenya look down upon thieves. That is why Jirongo could not make it when KANU ceased to be a factor.

However all over central, we see big thieves like Anne Waiguru becoming governor.

Of course there is moral laxity spread all over the country and across tribal lines. Kenya lacks a people driven National Morality code. Government is alien and stealing from "government" is nothing serious and is seen as stealing from just another thief. In fact it is considered "recovery". When in college we used to say that about women whenever they bought us (men) a drink. You would say I have recovered one soda, hundreds to go...
 

Sure
There's no tribe I know that glorifies crime, barring pastoral communities culture of cattle raids, and that has never evolved into modern crime.

Okoyu are only rivaled by Kisiis.

Never understood it but someone theorized high population density pushes them just like Nigerians

[Omollo]

Colonialist displaced Kikuyus as they did Maasai, Kalenjin, Luhyas, etc.

It is Jomo Kenyatta who dispersed his own people around Kenya. Luhyas and Luos did try to migrate on their own to Uganda but had to return when Amin kicked them out or insecurity became an issue.

If it were displacement then crime levels in Kiambu etc would be the same level as elsewhere. Unfortunately we have whole villages in Kiambu that are deserted with people abandoning nice buildings which are then vandalized to the ground.

My theory is that Kikuyus were uprooted by coloniliast & thrown all over kenya leading to collapse of traditional welfare/support structures based on kinship that would act as safety-net  and therefore a poor kikuyu most likely has no one to turn to - just some distant relatives who can't really help them.  You see the same thing with IDPS - they mostly lived in deplorable camps - while rest of kenya became integrated IDPS accommodated by their relatives. This will eventually happen to all tribes. The solution is to replace traditional welfare systems with formal modern welfare systems  that gurantees nobody is too poor or desperate to steal. The poor kikuyus who makes the majority of street kids ought to be placed in some welfare systems just like turkanas are in some kind of systems.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I think the stereotype can be correlated by statistics but the causation is not their tribe.  I think being at the front seats of  colonialism/apartheid/mau mau/urbanization/struggle for independence/post independence drama/2nd liberation etc. contributed.  Elswhere in Kenya you will notice that those areas around major cities or towns have more crimes.

The question is are they or is this just a popular stereotype?  I would love to see some credible citation that this is the case.  My hunch is their representation aligns with their proportion of the population.

I agree their tribe is not the cause.  There is no criminal gene among Kikuyus.  Hopefully we can get that out of the way.  I say this while acknowledging I haven't seen anything like a study establishing the notion that crime is more rampant among Kikuyus.

I would say that there might be a correlation between exposure to what passes for a modern culture in Kenya and crime.  But I would still be making educated guesses at best.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I think the stereotype can be correlated by statistics but the causation is not their tribe.  I think being at the front seats of  colonialism/apartheid/mau mau/urbanization/struggle for independence/post independence drama/2nd liberation etc. contributed.  Elswhere in Kenya you will notice that those areas around major cities or towns have more crimes.

The question is are they or is this just a popular stereotype?  I would love to see some credible citation that this is the case.  My hunch is their representation aligns with their proportion of the population.

Sure
There's no tribe I know that glorifies crime, barring pastoral communities culture of cattle raids, and that has never evolved into modern crime.

Okoyu are only rivaled by Kisiis.

Never understood it but someone theorized high population density pushes them just like Nigerians

I think if you are part of an economy that has no use for you, you will end up relying on underhand means to survive, regardless of population.  You see it Jo'burg, you see it Mbabane. 

[gout]

Capitalism is a crime. The more ingenious/ruthless one is the more succesful they are - Kenyattas, Mois and now Ruto plus their friends. The fruits of crime are most tangible in urban areas. The fruits of being pious and righteous are suffering and poverty till heaven comes.