Why is NIS allocated 30B - more than we allocate to CDF?

[RV Pundit]

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What exactly do they use all that money for?
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Kenya-releases-eye-popping-USD31-billion-budget/2560-4605770-g83ou1z/index.html

[Omollo]

I share your concerns.

They have the same allocation as the Ministry of Housing and more than the ODPP and EACC. For a digital government to allocate 24 billion to ICT is a self indictment.

However Pundit why are you concerned now? I told you the NIS is mobilizing "support" for Ruto and it is not so that he can become president.

What exactly do they use all that money for?
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Kenya-releases-eye-popping-USD31-billion-budget/2560-4605770-g83ou1z/index.html

[RV Pundit]

Sorry - not everything is about Ruto - this is not transient thing - they've been getting huge allocation even when Raila was PM. It would be nice to know what they do beyond spying. And only a fool would use the institution like NIS for partisan interest - because those guys working there - reflect the face of kenya and would rat you out.

I share your concerns.

They have the same allocation as the Ministry of Housing and more than the ODPP and EACC. For a digital government to allocate 24 billion to ICT is a self indictment.

However Pundit why are you concerned now? I told you the NIS is mobilizing "support" for Ruto and it is not so that he can become president.

What exactly do they use all that money for?
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Kenya-releases-eye-popping-USD31-billion-budget/2560-4605770-g83ou1z/index.html

[RVtitem]

Zamunda Bandit economy

Under the big four, Sh44.6 billion has been set aside for the agenda on providing universal healthcare coverage while Sh30.5 billion has been allocated for the provision of affordable and decent housing.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/05/05/big-four-cost-sh460bn-in-budget-for-next-year_c1753843

[Omollo]

You are naive Pundit.

Did Yusuf Haji rat out Moi when he sent him to screen Somalis?
Did Waiganjo (PC Nairobi and Kikuyu) rat out Moi when he presided over the renovation of Nyayo house to facilitate torture
Did Oyugi rat out Moi

I am quoting The Late Mukaru Ng'ang'a who once told me the above after saying: Those bastards do not know tribe. They are loyal to the system 100% with deficiency.

There is only one major project for Uhuru: To get rid of Ruto. He does not want to renegotiate their deal. He wants the deal dead. That is why they need so much money.

Sorry - not everything is about Ruto - this is not transient thing - they've been getting huge allocation even when Raila was PM. It would be nice to know what they do beyond spying. And only a fool would use the institution like NIS for partisan interest - because those guys working there - reflect the face of kenya and would rat you out.

[RV Pundit]

You're full of unhelpful fitina and now you're to reduce everything to Ruto. I guess you're now a close Uhuru confidant

You are naive Pundit.

Did Yusuf Haji rat out Moi when he sent him to screen Somalis?
Did Waiganjo (PC Nairobi and Kikuyu) rat out Moi when he presided over the renovation of Nyayo house to facilitate torture
Did Oyugi rat out Moi

I am quoting The Late Mukaru Ng'ang'a who once told me the above after saying: Those bastards do not know tribe. They are loyal to the system 100% with deficiency.

There is only one major project for Uhuru: To get rid of Ruto. He does not want to renegotiate their deal. He wants the deal dead. That is why they need so much money.

Sorry - not everything is about Ruto - this is not transient thing - they've been getting huge allocation even when Raila was PM. It would be nice to know what they do beyond spying. And only a fool would use the institution like NIS for partisan interest - because those guys working there - reflect the face of kenya and would rat you out.

[Kichwa]

Pundit, did you actually say that  the guys working at the NIS reflect the face of Kenya and they would rat out anybody  who tries to use the organization to advance an individual's or a certain group's political agenda. If you believe that crap then please in box me because I have a bridge that I would like to sell you right away.

You're full of unhelpful fitina and now you're to reduce everything to Ruto. I guess you're now a close Uhuru confidant

You are naive Pundit.

Did Yusuf Haji rat out Moi when he sent him to screen Somalis?
Did Waiganjo (PC Nairobi and Kikuyu) rat out Moi when he presided over the renovation of Nyayo house to facilitate torture
Did Oyugi rat out Moi

I am quoting The Late Mukaru Ng'ang'a who once told me the above after saying: Those bastards do not know tribe. They are loyal to the system 100% with deficiency.

There is only one major project for Uhuru: To get rid of Ruto. He does not want to renegotiate their deal. He wants the deal dead. That is why they need so much money.

Sorry - not everything is about Ruto - this is not transient thing - they've been getting huge allocation even when Raila was PM. It would be nice to know what they do beyond spying. And only a fool would use the institution like NIS for partisan interest - because those guys working there - reflect the face of kenya and would rat you out.

[RV Pundit]

Yes I did - smart politician would ran their own parallel or quasi intelligence - alongside the main intelligence or would use information & intelligence or analysis - for political ends - If you attempted to do that like Kibaki  mostly did - NIS would leak like kichungi.

Pundit, did you actually say that  the guys working at the NIS reflect the face of Kenya and they would rat out anybody  who tries to use the organization to advance an individual's or a certain group's political agenda. If you believe that crap then please in box me because I have a bridge that I would like to sell you right away.

[Omollo]

I have not reduced everything to Ruto and believe you me, I have nothing personal against Bill.

You asked a question: Why is NIS allocated 30B - more than we allocate to CDF?

You're full of unhelpful fitina and now you're to reduce everything to Ruto. I guess you're now a close Uhuru confidant

[RV Pundit]

You're an incorrigble idiot obsessed with Ruto. Give it a break. NIS has been getting huge allocation - every year for many years - the question is why? Why are MPS allocating them all that money? What exactly is so classified that they do that we don't know.

I have not reduced everything to Ruto and believe you me, I have nothing personal against Bill.

You asked a question: Why is NIS allocated 30B - more than we allocate to CDF?

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

It could just be because it's easier to loot behind that firewall.

[Globalcitizen12]

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Nis warns uhuru that he will be overthrown by debt and collapsing economy

[Omollo]

You are coming apart. May be I should stop debating you for the sake of your mental well-being.

Like I said, you asked the question why. A look at the budget since 2011 shows that it more than doubled in 2012 - the year Uhuru took over Finance (handing over to Proxy Githae). It was Uhuru raising funds to steal elections and the target was Raila.

The budget remained high under Uhuru rising even more last year.

It should go down now that the election is over. It has not.

You asked why? My position is that the NIS has been enlisted to knock out Ruto. You are getting angry? Who did you want me to name? Raila?

( haven't had time to double check these figures below)
The NIS Budget
1. 2016-2017 - 35.1 Billion (election year)
2. 2015 - 16 - Sh20.1 billion
3. 2013 - Sh13.98 billion
4. 2012 - Sh13.4 billion budgetary
4. 2011 - Sh13 billion

The figures for 2016 were desegregated making it difficult to know how much went to Defense.

You're an incorrigble idiot obsessed with Ruto. Give it a break. NIS has been getting huge allocation - every year for many years - the question is why? Why are MPS allocating them all that money? What exactly is so classified that they do that we don't know.

I have not reduced everything to Ruto and believe you me, I have nothing personal against Bill.

You asked a question: Why is NIS allocated 30B - more than we allocate to CDF?

[RV Pundit]

Slightly better but you're still obsessed with Ruto. It appears allocation are increasing as the budget increase. That is kinda wierd. Anyway I guess this information nobody has it apart from those who classified it. Kenyans need to really demand answers on such huge allocations.

You are coming apart. May be I should stop debating you for the sake of your mental well-being.

Like I said, you asked the question why. A look at the budget since 2011 shows that it more than doubled in 2012 - the year Uhuru took over Finance (handing over to Proxy Githae). It was Uhuru raising funds to steal elections and the target was Raila.

The budget remained high under Uhuru rising even more last year.

It should go down now that the election is over. It has not.

You asked why? My position is that the NIS has been enlisted to knock out Ruto. You are getting angry? Who did you want me to name? Raila?

( haven't had time to double check these figures below)
The NIS Budget
1. 2016-2017 - 35.1 Billion (election year)
2. 2015 - 16 - Sh20.1 billion
3. 2013 - Sh13.98 billion
4. 2012 - Sh13.4 billion budgetary
4. 2011 - Sh13 billion

The figures for 2016 were desegregated making it difficult to know how much went to Defense.

You're an incorrigble idiot obsessed with Ruto. Give it a break. NIS has been getting huge allocation - every year for many years - the question is why? Why are MPS allocating them all that money? What exactly is so classified that they do that we don't know.

I have not reduced everything to Ruto and believe you me, I have nothing personal against Bill.

You asked a question: Why is NIS allocated 30B - more than we allocate to CDF?

[Omollo]

And you are only partially correct. There is an increase but it does not correlate to the same level of the expansion of the national budget. Otherwise we would see the budget doubling in instances where the NIS budget has increased.

Note that the official argument was that the money would go towards fighting terrorism. This flies in the face of reality where the sme period saw the largest number of direct terrorist activity with the highest number of casualties. One can say the increase in the budget somehow saw an increase in terror cases. Where under Kibaki with half (less than half in some cases) the current budget there were 0 major terror cases, with double we see a sudden spike.

What I am saying is I have examined whether the money would have been intended for use on "security" but found it unlikely. The first rise went towards containing Raila and helping Mudavadi. Then Uhuru rapidly changed that and directed the money towards his own election. Later it was used to contain Raila and CORD.

As of now one cannot say it is directed at Raila. The only other target is William Ruto

Now stating facts does not mean I hate Ruto. I have said worse about Raila in the past without hating him. I think Uhuru is largely very tolerant because I have never targeted anybody else with my poisonous keyboard like I did him.
 
Here you are I mention Ruto 3 times and you vomit your liver!

Slightly better but you're still obsessed with Ruto. It appears allocation are increasing as the budget increase. That is kinda wierd. Anyway I guess this information nobody has it apart from those who classified it. Kenyans need to really demand answers on such huge allocations.

You are coming apart. May be I should stop debating you for the sake of your mental well-being.

Like I said, you asked the question why. A look at the budget since 2011 shows that it more than doubled in 2012 - the year Uhuru took over Finance (handing over to Proxy Githae). It was Uhuru raising funds to steal elections and the target was Raila.

The budget remained high under Uhuru rising even more last year.

It should go down now that the election is over. It has not.

You asked why? My position is that the NIS has been enlisted to knock out Ruto. You are getting angry? Who did you want me to name? Raila?

( haven't had time to double check these figures below)
The NIS Budget
1. 2016-2017 - 35.1 Billion (election year)
2. 2015 - 16 - Sh20.1 billion
3. 2013 - Sh13.98 billion
4. 2012 - Sh13.4 billion budgetary
4. 2011 - Sh13 billion

The figures for 2016 were desegregated making it difficult to know how much went to Defense.

You're an incorrigble idiot obsessed with Ruto. Give it a break. NIS has been getting huge allocation - every year for many years - the question is why? Why are MPS allocating them all that money? What exactly is so classified that they do that we don't know.

I have not reduced everything to Ruto and believe you me, I have nothing personal against Bill.

You asked a question: Why is NIS allocated 30B - more than we allocate to CDF?

[RV Pundit]

You're free to speculate. But don't pass it as facts. That is vodoo. And you do it so instinctively. For me 30B is a lot of money - I doubt they are more than 1,000 NIS agents - maybe they are based in every foreign embassay - spying internationally? - but still 30B is a lot of money. That is about how much CDF get. But why are all MPS silent on this.  Why would you need 30B to contain a politician .

And you are only partially correct. There is an increase but it does not correlate to the same level of the expansion of the national budget. Otherwise we would see the budget doubling in instances where the NIS budget has increased.

Note that the official argument was that the money would go towards fighting terrorism. This flies in the face of reality where the sme period saw the largest number of direct terrorist activity with the highest number of casualties. One can say the increase in the budget somehow saw an increase in terror cases. Where under Kibaki with half (less than half in some cases) the current budget there were 0 major terror cases, with double we see a sudden spike.

What I am saying is I have examined whether the money would have been intended for use on "security" but found it unlikely. The first rise went towards containing Raila and helping Mudavadi. Then Uhuru rapidly changed that and directed the money towards his own election. Later it was used to contain Raila and CORD.

As of now one cannot say it is directed at Raila. The only other target is William Ruto

Now stating facts does not mean I hate Ruto. I have said worse about Raila in the past without hating him. I think Uhuru is largely very tolerant because I have never targeted anybody else with my poisonous keyboard like I did him.
 
Here you are I mention Ruto 3 times and you vomit your liver!

Slightly better but you're still obsessed with Ruto. It appears allocation are increasing as the budget increase. That is kinda wierd. Anyway I guess this information nobody has it apart from those who classified it. Kenyans need to really demand answers on such huge allocations.

You are coming apart. May be I should stop debating you for the sake of your mental well-being.

Like I said, you asked the question why. A look at the budget since 2011 shows that it more than doubled in 2012 - the year Uhuru took over Finance (handing over to Proxy Githae). It was Uhuru raising funds to steal elections and the target was Raila.

The budget remained high under Uhuru rising even more last year.

It should go down now that the election is over. It has not.

You asked why? My position is that the NIS has been enlisted to knock out Ruto. You are getting angry? Who did you want me to name? Raila?

( haven't had time to double check these figures below)
The NIS Budget
1. 2016-2017 - 35.1 Billion (election year)
2. 2015 - 16 - Sh20.1 billion
3. 2013 - Sh13.98 billion
4. 2012 - Sh13.4 billion budgetary
4. 2011 - Sh13 billion

The figures for 2016 were desegregated making it difficult to know how much went to Defense.

You're an incorrigble idiot obsessed with Ruto. Give it a break. NIS has been getting huge allocation - every year for many years - the question is why? Why are MPS allocating them all that money? What exactly is so classified that they do that we don't know.

I have not reduced everything to Ruto and believe you me, I have nothing personal against Bill.

You asked a question: Why is NIS allocated 30B - more than we allocate to CDF?

[Omollo]

Nowhere have I denied it is a lot of money. I have previously stated that it dwarfs the Housing budget - one of the so called "pillars".

On who/ what the money is for, I have clearly and methodically discounted and refuted the spurious justifications provided i.e. "security" or "terrorism". I have then applied the wisdom of Arthur Conan Doyle: Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

That means William Samoei Ruto is the target.

Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/arthur_conan_doyle_134512

You're free to speculate. But don't pass it as facts. That is vodoo. And you do it so instinctively. For me 30B is a lot of money - I doubt they are more than 1,000 NIS agents - maybe they are based in every foreign embassay - spying internationally? - but still 30B is a lot of money. That is about how much CDF get. But why are all MPS silent on this.  Why would you need 30B to contain a politician .

And you are only partially correct. There is an increase but it does not correlate to the same level of the expansion of the national budget. Otherwise we would see the budget doubling in instances where the NIS budget has increased.

Note that the official argument was that the money would go towards fighting terrorism. This flies in the face of reality where the sme period saw the largest number of direct terrorist activity with the highest number of casualties. One can say the increase in the budget somehow saw an increase in terror cases. Where under Kibaki with half (less than half in some cases) the current budget there were 0 major terror cases, with double we see a sudden spike.

What I am saying is I have examined whether the money would have been intended for use on "security" but found it unlikely. The first rise went towards containing Raila and helping Mudavadi. Then Uhuru rapidly changed that and directed the money towards his own election. Later it was used to contain Raila and CORD.

As of now one cannot say it is directed at Raila. The only other target is William Ruto

Now stating facts does not mean I hate Ruto. I have said worse about Raila in the past without hating him. I think Uhuru is largely very tolerant because I have never targeted anybody else with my poisonous keyboard like I did him.
 
Here you are I mention Ruto 3 times and you vomit your liver

[RV Pundit]

More like could be the target. Or to be precise in your case I wish he is the target. That would be waste of money - I think Ruto runs his own parrallel intelligence with far less money. You really don't need a lot of money to spie on people....chinese have so many cheap gadgets...and average kenyan as the morals of a cat.

[Omollo]

The NIS does not just spy on people. The days when they would travel to telephone exchanges to fix listening devices are gone. For that as an example, they bought a state of the art mass bugging machine from China. They tape ALL conversations, they have key words which if mentioned those conversations are flagged for their analysts to look into. They also have specific phone numbers that they listen to all the time. Say Raila borrows a phone from some guy in the street to call Kirubi. Well, he wasted his time because they have bugged Kirubi and will now bug the guy whose phone he used. A little more for you:

Ruto changes the sim in his phone to call Chirchir. Big mistake, the machine follows and tracks the phone as per IMEI not the sim card.

That part and may others like reviewing surveillance tapes has been automated.

The money is used for example in Ruto's case to influence politicians as the NIS may wish. Big bribes etc. Right now they want the narrative that GEMA not only has nothing against Ruto but seriously wants him to be president. Ask KM to tell you why they want such a wide and national narrative then come back to accuse me of wanting him to be a target.

My beef about 2017 remains with Uhuru Kenyatta. I cannot blame chokora for that. You know who is chokora

More like could be the target. Or to be precise in your case I wish he is the target. That would be waste of money - I think Ruto runs his own parrallel intelligence with far less money. You really don't need a lot of money to spie on people....chinese have so many cheap gadgets...and average kenyan as the morals of a cat.

[RV Pundit]

Maybe acquiring those chinese gadgets - is where the money goes - now that make some sense. I guess outside the operational cost of running NIS - they are purchasing expensive spying equipments. The rest of your predictable drivel is not worth my time.

The NIS does not just spy on people. The days when they would travel to telephone exchanges to fix listening devices are gone. For that as an example, they bought a state of the art mass bugging machine from China. They tape ALL conversations, they have key words which if mentioned those conversations are flagged for their analysts to look into. They also have specific phone numbers that they listen to all the time. Say Raila borrows a phone from some guy in the street to call Kirubi. Well, he wasted his time because they have bugged Kirubi and will now bug the guy whose phone he used. A little more for you:

Ruto changes the sim in his phone to call Chirchir. Big mistake, the machine follows and tracks the phone as per IMEI not the sim card.

That part and may others like reviewing surveillance tapes has been automated.

The money is used for example in Ruto's case to influence politicians as the NIS may wish. Big bribes etc. Right now they want the narrative that GEMA not only has nothing against Ruto but seriously wants him to be president. Ask KM to tell you why they want such a wide and national narrative then come back to accuse me of wanting him to be a target.

My beef about 2017 remains with Uhuru Kenyatta. I cannot blame chokora for that. You know who is chokora

More like could be the target. Or to be precise in your case I wish he is the target. That would be waste of money - I think Ruto runs his own parrallel intelligence with far less money. You really don't need a lot of money to spie on people....chinese have so many cheap gadgets...and average kenyan as the morals of a cat.