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Before "ideology" and such cosmetics, Ruto shone as the only Ass Min to sit in the Moi cabinet. As MP his CDF shone. As Agric & Higher Ed Min he shone. Fake colleges ran helter-skelter. That's a performer only rivalled by John Michuki. Compared to say a bozo like Mudavadi who held executive portfolio Finance and Local Govt under Moi and Raila patronage for years and has zilch to report.
You mean he "did his job" in a zero expectations environment.  Lots of Kenyans do that everyday without the baggage.

Buzz like "ideology" is vagueness that masks incompetence. Political leanings are a costly luxury in place of bread and butter. That's why I asked earlier how a marshall plan would be impacted by the leader's title.
I am not sure how you can be competent when you can't summarize what you are about.  It begs the question of what exactly you are competent at.

Ruto's ideological and economic stands are apparent to me as they begun since 2010 constitution debate to firm up in URP. He is social conservative supporting Christian and African traditional values. He opposed the new constitution for this reason - it's moral laxity on abortion, gay marriage, etc. To be clear I as Robina don't support conservative politics. Except where liberal loonies go too far.
Now this is vague.  What does he think is the problem in Kenya?  Lack of Christianity and African traditions?  Abortion?  Gay marriage? 

Raila will likely tell you, tribalism, corruption, income inequality; regardless of what you think of them and his suggested solutions he can spell them with clarity.

He believes in small government and capitalism as opposed to state overreach and socialism. Ruto would be a Rethug in the US.
You are just making this up.  I have never heard him say that.

Most of the Jubilee big projects - SGR, irrigation schemes, etc - were URP promises before Jubilee coalition in Dec 2012. Uhuru's and TNA's main noticeable promise was laptops for kids.

You can recall Ruto and Raila's ODM promised devolution in the 2007 elections. At Naivasha in 2010, Ruto joined Uhuru and PNU to eliminate regions and PM from the draft. It buffles now Uhuru supports both items.

Ruto's stand is firm on most national matters. I don't know what to make of claims of his massive wealth. Also there are many fabulously wealthy thieves in the "inclusion" corner that you and Raila support. Ruto has nothing on the dynasties in this regard. It's actually impossible to say integrity, inclusion or change in the same breath as the dynasties with a straight face.

About vision: well 2022 is a whole 4 years away. We don't even know his opponents, except those pushing for new positions while insisting they will not run in 2022. Some are being proposed by Atwoli, etc. No pressure for Ruto at all - let competitors emerge.

Ruto has in fact never been a presidential candidate before. Still he masterfully articulates the incoherent Mr Kenyatta's agenda. Formal campaigns begin in May 2022.

He hasn't run for President.  Neither has Miguna, yet I have no doubt what Miguna stands for.
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How exactly did Raila treat his critics and competitors - Orengo, Nyong'o, Ochuodho, Tuju. I recall Tuju crying when he was Tourism Minister in NARC after being bullied by Raila and his goons. Raila is a much more brutal tyrant so there are no Luo opponents left. Even poor Kalonzo was labeled Judas and Watermelon. Weta recently faced first hand Raila's treat. How about Miguna's majestic treat? Handshake was underway as the poor sod was dragged and stowawayed to Dubai after naively swearing him in. Of course we can rely on you to praise him. Save it for the gullible.

Raila despite PM and national limelight for decades is a well known slaggard and disorganized leader. What stops him from attempting some efficiency? I think it's a natural trait that would infect the country if he took over. We need hard work and efficiency in a leader not "ideology" and other non-bread & butter theories.

Gee, so is Raila for presidential or parliamentary or monarch? Who knows! Depending on the political breeze his stand changes in a flash. Today it's parliamentary. Tomorrow in case Uhuru dissolves the Handshake team he will be back to maandamano.

At least Ruto is known for something: EFFICIENCY. Raila is synonymous with gullible, disorganization and trickery - Moi, Nyachae, Kalonzo can tell you - Moi used to call it "siasa ya pata potea. Msichezee karata maisha yenu" in direct reference to Raila.

Nobody needs any "inclusion" voodoo Raila is peddling except the dynasties backing him. The people backing Raila - Moi, Kenyatta, Kibaki - just tells you what it's all about. Wait till he winds up high and dry as usual. The only thing he might get from this is ceremonial president - anything to be called Rais. What a sucker.

You can have an ideology and be pragmatic at the same time as opposed to a fanatic/extremist.

Raila has described himself several times as a panafricanist and a social democrat-  Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy.

I would assume that an educated person in this day and age should support  a leader who at a minimum be able to  articulate their political ideology in away that is consistent with the acceptable political ideologies of our modern times.

I have never heard Ruto articulate his political ideology and I think its intentional so that he is not pegged down to any set of internal rules that people can judge him by. I am sure Ruto has some sets of political preferences which could be plotted somewhere on the Right to left political spectrum but he leaves that to people like you and Pundit to do so in the most positive light possible to his political career as needed.

 I and many others believe that Ruto is a ruthless, efficient, pragmatist in the politics of corruption, looting, tribalism, and electoral fraud.  I believe he is capable of quickly graduating into a ruthless dictator if not stopped or checked. He has been compared to some of the most ruthless dictators of our time based on his impatience, restlessness, aversion to criticism, hands on managerial style, and ability to very cruel and unforgiving to his critics. Just think of how he recently let his dogs loose on Gideon at a funeral. Gideon's only crime is because he dares to have presidential ambitions and denied Ruto access to his ailing and his senile 93 year old father when Ruto needed that photo-op to bolster  his 2022 political ambitions.
 
Most dictators win hearts earlier in their days of governance by promising efficiency in the delivery of services in exchange for civil liberties. People love it in the beginning just to wake up a few years later with a ruthless dictator. I remember the earlier days of Moi visiting hospitals, Kagame is still at it and Ugandans loved Museveni when he rode into power.

We need the constitutional changes that Raila is fighting for to safeguard our democracy, inclusivity, unity and liberties than the fleeting and nebulous qualities of an "efficient" strong man that Ruto is offering.

I think you could as well be describing Raila. In terms of ruthless pragmatism, etc. For instance Raila supported a draft with pure presidency, no regions, etc - for political expediency. The most discernible difference between Raila and Ruto is the disorganization vs efficiency. I said already both men are ambitious to build legacies but Ruto's execution is definitely better.

If ideology was important than efficiency I would pick Raila because I would rather liberal than conservative. However I don't want socialism.

My man is William Ruto. Ruthless efficiency and capitalism.

Before "ideology" and such cosmetics, Ruto shone as the only Ass Min to sit in the Moi cabinet. As MP his CDF shone. As Agric & Higher Ed Min he shone. Fake colleges ran helter-skelter. That's a performer only rivalled by John Michuki. Compared to say a bozo like Mudavadi who held executive portfolio Finance and Local Govt under Moi and Raila patronage for years and has zilch to report.

Buzz like "ideology" is vagueness that masks incompetence. Political leanings are a costly luxury in place of bread and butter. That's why I asked earlier how a marshall plan would be impacted by the leader's title.

Ruto's ideological and economic stands are apparent to me as they begun since 2010 constitution debate to firm up in URP. He is social conservative supporting Christian and African traditional values. He opposed the new constitution for this reason - it's moral laxity on abortion, gay marriage, etc. To be clear I as Robina don't support conservative politics. Except where liberal loonies go too far.

He believes in small government and capitalism as opposed to state overreach and socialism. Ruto would be a Rethug in the US.

Most of the Jubilee big projects - SGR, irrigation schemes, etc - were URP promises before Jubilee coalition in Dec 2012. Uhuru's and TNA's main noticeable promise was laptops for kids.

You can recall Ruto and Raila's ODM promised devolution in the 2007 elections. At Naivasha in 2010, Ruto joined Uhuru and PNU to eliminate regions and PM from the draft. It buffles now Uhuru supports both items.

Ruto's stand is firm on most national matters. I don't know what to make of claims of his massive wealth. Also there are many fabulously wealthy thieves in the "inclusion" corner that you and Raila support. Ruto has nothing on the dynasties in this regard. It's actually impossible to say integrity, inclusion or change in the same breath as the dynasties with a straight face.

About vision: well 2022 is a whole 4 years away. We don't even know his opponents, except those pushing for new positions while insisting they will not run in 2022. Some are being proposed by Atwoli, etc. No pressure for Ruto at all - let competitors emerge.

Ruto has in fact never been a presidential candidate before. Still he masterfully articulates the incoherent Mr Kenyatta's agenda. Formal campaigns begin in May 2022.
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Funny how Raila exemplifies the negative in our political fabric - relying on Kichwa and the choir to sanctimonize the stench - with uncouthness like "verbal diarrhoea".

Verbal diarrhoea is the definition of the demagogue. Which  is what he is. And this is the exact hypocrisy of his liberal and reform nonsense.

How would someone pushing a sitting dynast to be the next PM talk of inclusion? Only a two-faced hypocrite like Raila can do that.
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Kichwa: Miguna picked political conman to describe Raila after studying him for some time. I think a more fitting term is a snake oil salesman... for hawking voodoo (PM or inclusive dynasty) as a solution to real bread & butter problems that many Kenyans face.
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Robina. You are all over the place now and its impossible to debate with you.  I thought we were talking about ideology. 

Funny how Raila exemplifies the negative in our political fabric - relying on Kichwa and the choir to sanctimonize the stench - with uncouthness like "verbal diarrhoea".

Verbal diarrhoea is the definition of the demagogue. Which  is what he is. And this is the exact hypocrisy of his liberal and reform nonsense.

How would someone pushing a sitting dynast to be the next PM talk of inclusion? Only a two-faced hypocrite like Raila can do that.
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That a symbol of immaturity like Miguna has a clear "ideology", bitmask, is my point about the subject. My nanny too has a clear ideology.
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I thought we were talking about Raila's suggested changes and the leaders involved. You don't make the rules here Kichwa.

Robina. You are all over the place now and its impossible to debate with you.  I thought we were talking about ideology. 

Funny how Raila exemplifies the negative in our political fabric - relying on Kichwa and the choir to sanctimonize the stench - with uncouthness like "verbal diarrhoea".

Verbal diarrhoea is the definition of the demagogue. Which  is what he is. And this is the exact hypocrisy of his liberal and reform nonsense.

How would someone pushing a sitting dynast to be the next PM talk of inclusion? Only a two-faced hypocrite like Raila can do that.
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Having keenly studied Ruto I can summarize his ideology as protestanism.He is a more educated Moi.Intelligent as a whip.But beneath all the brilliance he like Moi was shaped and moulded by American Missionsaries AIC.He espouses what passes as protestant work ethic n philosophy...and that a man has to work so hard, so efficiently and live so frugaly so he may from his earthly success know if god had preordained them the chosen one.That philosophy is older than Karl marx inspired socialism..it dates back to German Martin Luther and Englishman John Calvin.America capatalism and pre emergence as world superpower stems from this belief.While Catholic Europe carefree lazy lifestyle hobbled them Americans rebels of this protestanism worked so hard, so efficiently and saved so much just so they could go to heaven.Ruto ideology can described simply as protestanism..he remain diehard AIC..his life philosophy you can discearn from rvhh in .com..basically work hard, hate alcohol ,save hard, invest alot and have blessed happy family and only thro that will you find from you own success that youre god chosen.Ruto like Moi is god chosen.They believe it.They work for it.You better believe.America greatness an be attributed to this great protestant  work ethic.Like Moi if it wasnt politics both would be AIC evangicals spreading Martin LutherCalvin brand of christianity.Raila is inspired by German karl marx of poor eventually squearing with elite.Ruto by Martin Luther reformative rebellion of catholicism of spiritual purity.Calvin expanded this philosophy to mean god already knew your fate before birth and by living a successful life as opposed to spiritually pure life would you know youre among the chosen few to go to heaven and wine and dine with the jewish god.I grew up a catholic in an area dominated by AIC and while catholic welcomed n embraced the poor wretched..AIC treated them as a plague except in their children homes or hospital..every AIC had a duty to work hard and change their fortunes...you could come in poor aoc but expectation was youd turn your life around pretty soon or they would ostracize you.Catholic celebrate poverty ..the poor the more likely youd be pure of heart..the richer the harder it was go to the father.There is no doubt that despite these american Missionsaries lacking catholic muscle theyve given us african best hospitals and schools Kijabe,Tenweek and Kapsowar plus Rift valley academy in Kijabe..these  are some AFRICA best of best.In Ruto like Moi kenya will get extremely driven albeit intelligent leader..well it already has coz often catholic uuhuru is stoned.
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And I do not want to, you can just continue debating yourself.

I thought we were talking about Raila's suggested changes and the leaders involved. You don't make the rules here Kichwa.

Robina. You are all over the place now and its impossible to debate with you.  I thought we were talking about ideology. 

Funny how Raila exemplifies the negative in our political fabric - relying on Kichwa and the choir to sanctimonize the stench - with uncouthness like "verbal diarrhoea".

Verbal diarrhoea is the definition of the demagogue. Which  is what he is. And this is the exact hypocrisy of his liberal and reform nonsense.

How would someone pushing a sitting dynast to be the next PM talk of inclusion? Only a two-faced hypocrite like Raila can do that.
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That's all wonderful Pundit but I would like to know whether WSR is even a liberal where liberalism is a political view based on liberty and equality. Liberals generally support civil rights, democracy, secularism, gender equality, internationalism and the freedoms of speech, the press, religion and markets. Is WSR even a liberal in the first place and if so, where does he fall in the Left to Right liberal spectrum?  Lastly, if he is well educated and smart as you claim, why is it so difficult for him to describe his political view.


Having keenly studied Ruto I can summarize his ideology as protestanism.He is a more educated Moi.Intelligent as a whip.But beneath all the brilliance he like Moi was shaped and moulded by American Missionsaries AIC.He espouses what passes as protestant work ethic n philosophy...and that a man has to work so hard, so efficiently and live so frugaly so he may from his earthly success know if god had preordained them the chosen one.That philosophy is older than Karl marx inspired socialism..it dates back to German Martin Luther and Englishman John Calvin.America capatalism and pre emergence as world superpower stems from this belief.While Catholic Europe carefree lazy lifestyle hobbled them Americans rebels of this protestanism worked so hard, so efficiently and saved so much just so they could go to heaven.Ruto ideology can described simply as protestanism..he remain diehard AIC..his life philosophy you can discearn from rvhh in .com..basically work hard, hate alcohol ,save hard, invest alot and have blessed happy family and only thro that will you find from you own success that youre god chosen.Ruto like Moi is god chosen.They believe it.They work for it.You better believe.America greatness an be attributed to this great protestant  work ethic.Like Moi if it wasnt politics both would be AIC evangicals spreading Martin LutherCalvin brand of christianity.Raila is inspired by German karl marx of poor eventually squearing with elite.Ruto by Martin Luther reformative rebellion of catholicism of spiritual purity.Calvin expanded this philosophy to mean god already knew your fate before birth and by living a successful life as opposed to spiritually pure life would you know youre among the chosen few to go to heaven and wine and dine with the jewish god.I grew up a catholic in an area dominated by AIC and while catholic welcomed n embraced the poor wretched..AIC treated them as a plague except in their children homes or hospital..every AIC had a duty to work hard and change their fortunes...you could come in poor aoc but expectation was youd turn your life around pretty soon or they would ostracize you.Catholic celebrate poverty ..the poor the more likely youd be pure of heart..the richer the harder it was go to the father.There is no doubt that despite these american Missionsaries lacking catholic muscle theyve given us african best hospitals and schools Kijabe,Tenweek and Kapsowar plus Rift valley academy in Kijabe..these  are some AFRICA best of best.In Ruto like Moi kenya will get extremely driven albeit intelligent leader..well it already has coz often catholic uuhuru is stoned.
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kichwa i am a liberal personally but clearly wsr is not one of us.He is simply a protestant who profess protestanism.Clearly the narrow definition of your politics need some expounding

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I hope you are wrong that wsr may not even be a lower case liberal in this day and age. That would mean that WSR does not care about concepts such as  liberty and equality, democracy,  internationalism and the freedoms of speech, the press, religion and  free markets. If that were to be the case then the question that termie posed should be asked again.  "What is he going to be efficient about" and why would a liberal like you support him.  I think that if one were to sit down with Ruto and ask him several questions and then plot him on the liberal political spectrum, he would definitely score to the Right of center. on a scale of 1 to 10, where 1 is a flaming Liberal and 10 a conservative, I think Ruto would score a 9 but he would still fall within the spectrum. Anybody who scores outside this western political standard should not even be running for office in this day and age.

kichwa i am a liberal personally but clearly wsr is not one of us.He is simply a protestant who profess protestanism.Clearly the narrow definition of your politics need some expounding
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That a symbol of immaturity like Miguna has a clear "ideology", bitmask, is my point about the subject. My nanny too has a clear ideology.
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Most adults have a political ideology but those who are not educated are unable to communicate/translate  their political ideology into the Liberal/Conservative Gold standard that is internationally recognized and understood.  Miguna can describe his political ideology very succinctly using the language that is internationally recognized unlike Robina's nanny.  I also expect WSR to be able to do the same.  WSR should actually make a point of doing some lectures at some of the universities in Kenya between now and 2022 to articulate his political ideology and the vision for the country. He should also consider traveling abroad or to other African countries and giving some lectures in academic institutions like RAO is always doing with Q's and A's at the end.  He should  even  consider writing a book. WSR may be young in chronological age but politically he is very old fashioned.

That a symbol of immaturity like Miguna has a clear "ideology", bitmask, is my point about the subject. My nanny too has a clear ideology.
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You can dissect Ruto's ideology as corruption, looting, dictatorship, etc as you wish. We'll do the same with Raila's ideology of duplicity and deceit.

And I do not want to, you can just continue debating yourself.

I thought we were talking about Raila's suggested changes and the leaders involved. You don't make the rules here Kichwa.

Robina. You are all over the place now and its impossible to debate with you.  I thought we were talking about ideology. 

Funny how Raila exemplifies the negative in our political fabric - relying on Kichwa and the choir to sanctimonize the stench - with uncouthness like "verbal diarrhoea".

Verbal diarrhoea is the definition of the demagogue. Which  is what he is. And this is the exact hypocrisy of his liberal and reform nonsense.

How would someone pushing a sitting dynast to be the next PM talk of inclusion? Only a two-faced hypocrite like Raila can do that.
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That a symbol of immaturity like Miguna has a clear "ideology", bitmask, is my point about the subject. My nanny too has a clear ideology.

Ideology is as good as a person's character. My nanny's ideology is that people should work smart and retire young and rich. Yet she's over 60, poor and not contemplating retirement. This to mean what people actually do is much more useful than any ideals they proclaim. Which leads to my conclusion that Ruto's performance track record is good enough for me regardless of any ideology he may hold public or secret.
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Precisely proven track record trumps ideology.
Ideology is as good as a person's character. My nanny's ideology is that people should work smart and retire young and rich. Yet she's over 60, poor and not contemplating retirement. This to mean what people actually do is much more useful than any ideals they proclaim. Which leads to my conclusion that Ruto's performance trrack record is good enough for regardless of any ideology he may hold public or secret.

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Most adults have a political ideology but those who are not educated are unable to communicate/translate  their political ideology into the Liberal/Conservative Gold standard that is internationally recognized and understood.  Miguna can describe his political ideology very succinctly using the language that is internationally recognized unlike Robina's nanny.  I also expect WSR to be able to do the same.  WSR should actually make a point of doing some lectures at some of the universities in Kenya between now and 2022 to articulate his political ideology and the vision for the country. He should also consider traveling abroad or to other African countries and giving some lectures in academic institutions like RAO is always doing with Q's and A's at the end.  He should  even  consider writing a book. WSR may be young in chronological age but politically he is very old fashioned.

That a symbol of immaturity like Miguna has a clear "ideology", bitmask, is my point about the subject. My nanny too has a clear ideology.

I agree it might be that the nanny cannot articulate what she thinks the world ought to work like from a political standpoint.  It's even excusable given that her day job probably does not revolve around politics and government. 

For about 20 years, Ruto's only job as far as I can tell has been politics.  So it should not be too much to ask what he thinks the government should be about, how big it should be, where it should not get involved, why he prefers Counties vs Regions, what should be devolved and why and so on even if he cannot put a name to it.
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That a symbol of immaturity like Miguna has a clear "ideology", bitmask, is my point about the subject. My nanny too has a clear ideology.

Ideology is as good as a person's character. My nanny's ideology is that people should work smart and retire young and rich. Yet she's over 60, poor and not contemplating retirement. This to mean what people actually do is much more useful than any ideals they proclaim. Which leads to my conclusion that Ruto's performance track record is good enough for me regardless of any ideology he may hold public or secret.

He has to have an ideology.  Maybe he just does not articulate it well or at all.  He seems to have time for yule mtu wa kitendawili.  One would think he must have some time for articulating something germane to governance.
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Why are you screaming as if anybody has tried to stop you from criticizing Raila. You are just parroting things about Raila that people have been saying for years. Why do you think I care.

You can dissect Ruto's ideology as corruption, looting, dictatorship, etc as you wish. We'll do the same with Raila's ideology of duplicity and deceit.

And I do not want to, you can just continue debating yourself.

I thought we were talking about Raila's suggested changes and the leaders involved. You don't make the rules here Kichwa.

Robina. You are all over the place now and its impossible to debate with you.  I thought we were talking about ideology. 

Funny how Raila exemplifies the negative in our political fabric - relying on Kichwa and the choir to sanctimonize the stench - with uncouthness like "verbal diarrhoea".

Verbal diarrhoea is the definition of the demagogue. Which  is what he is. And this is the exact hypocrisy of his liberal and reform nonsense.

How would someone pushing a sitting dynast to be the next PM talk of inclusion? Only a two-faced hypocrite like Raila can do that.
"I have done my job and I will not change anything dead or a live" Malonza