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GEMA don't trust Ruto - smart - and seem to want some guarantee which DPORK or Supreme Leader isn't. Either it's a coalition or PM. Of course they are just entitled and greedy - but don't confuse them for fools. They are resourceful and can mess Ruto together with jilted Raila. The next best thing from a win for Raila is a Ruto loss. And that makes Uhuru mischief very easy.

Personally I think our politics need to mature into proper party affairs - ala ANC - where personalities take a back seat. Ruto would would therefore be held to some party ideals like GDP or universal education, not "GEMA" or such crap.

I guess we are eons from that. I hope Ruto wins this very tough battle.

Why the clamour to introduce PM when Ruto is about to become PORK? At end of the day it's about trust - PM and PORK cannot work - two center of powers cannot - GEMA have to accepted DPORK and Uhuru the supreme leader of Jubilee. Anything else Jubilee will cannibalize each other.
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To be honest - the gdp growth rate under Jubilee has averaged around 6% - amidst global economic meltdown. TZ has done around 7% and Ethiopia around 10%. Definitely we should aim at Ethiopia's 10% growth rate but still UhuRuto have grown GDP from $50B to now around $85-88B - and have overseen some very trans-formative changes - chiefly possibly one of global fastest electrification, rolled out thousands of new tarmac - thanks to changing of road standards to allow for low seal roads - rolled out more investment in our education mainly laptop projects - and has done well in maternal sector despite counties & doctors-nurses ever on strike - and of course to top it up - they have delivered SGR - kenya biggest infrastructure investment and generally security situation has gotten way better - thanks to Huawei cameras in nairobi & mombasa!

Of course with all that - debts have mounted - corruption has not abetted - and we are still 4% short of the desired 10%. If Uhuru focus on BIG 4 - esp manufacturing & housing - then it may be possible to grew the economy by 10%.  Housing is really a low hanging fruit..there is huge demand for decent low cost housing....and China has the capacity to build us new cities for the cheap. Manufacturing is tough one but I believe we can copy Ethiopia and do well in Leather Industry for starters - and if we can subdize power in Naivasha industrial park and Dongo Kundu - we may have new engine of growth.

That should get us to 2022 - when I think Ruto will have a chance to make us a real middle income country ala South Africa. Ruto is energetic, driven and ambitious - and knows how to get stuff done - he is our Museveni (before he got senile), our Magufuli, our Kagame and our Meles Zenawi. He just need to tame his appetite for looting and we should be good to go.



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Pundit, Asking  Ruto to tame his addiction for corruption is like counseling an alcoholic to tame his alcohol consumption. Corruption has given Ruto power and there is no way he can let go because he will spend a lot of money to buy Gema and if he succeeds he will need to steal more to replenish what he is going to spend between not and 2022 and then start stealing for 2027.  The only way to curb corruption in Kenya is to defeat Ruto or considerably curtail his ability to steal with impunity.


To be honest - the gdp growth rate under Jubilee has averaged around 6% - amidst global economic meltdown. TZ has done around 7% and Ethiopia around 10%. Definitely we should aim at Ethiopia's 10% growth rate but still UhuRuto have grown GDP from $50B to now around $85-88B - and have overseen some very trans-formative changes - chiefly possibly one of global fastest electrification, rolled out thousands of new tarmac - thanks to changing of road standards to allow for low seal roads - rolled out more investment in our education mainly laptop projects - and has done well in maternal sector despite counties & doctors-nurses ever on strike - and of course to top it up - they have delivered SGR - kenya biggest infrastructure investment and generally security situation has gotten way better - thanks to Huawei cameras in nairobi & mombasa!

Of course with all that - debts have mounted - corruption has not abetted - and we are still 4% short of the desired 10%. If Uhuru focus on BIG 4 - esp manufacturing & housing - then it may be possible to grew the economy by 10%.  Housing is really a low hanging fruit..there is huge demand for decent low cost housing....and China has the capacity to build us new cities for the cheap. Manufacturing is tough one but I believe we can copy Ethiopia and do well in Leather Industry for starters - and if we can subdize power in Naivasha industrial park and Dongo Kundu - we may have new engine of growth.

That should get us to 2022 - when I think Ruto will have a chance to make us a real middle income country ala South Africa. Ruto is energetic, driven and ambitious - and knows how to get stuff done - he is our Museveni (before he got senile), our Magufuli, our Kagame and our Meles Zenawi. He just need to tame his appetite for looting and we should be good to go.


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Pundit, Asking  Ruto to tame his addiction for corruption is like counseling an alcoholic to tame his alcohol consumption. Corruption has given Ruto power and there is no way he can let go because he will spend a lot of money to buy Gema and if he succeeds he will need to steal more to replenish what he is going to spend between not and 2022 and then start stealing for 2027.  The only way to curb corruption in Kenya is to defeat Ruto or considerably curtail his ability to steal with impunity.

The hustler reminds me of Kagame in one respect.  Dictatorial.  Everything else reminds me more of Mobutu.  Regardless of how beloved this sewer rat is to some, his path to State House consists of

1) death of kamwana
2) IEBC support
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Other than buying politicians to sing his praises, Ruto has never articulated any vision for this country other than that the trains will run on time during his watch. He is increasingly being sidelined and isolated as a status quoist who cannot make any intellectual contribution to the current debate on what direction this country should go. He has zero contribution on the issue of forming a national identity, how to fight corruption, impunity or the question of power-sharing, or inclusivity and generally  how to  properly govern a tribally diverse African country like Kenya. These are issues that need serious discussion and yet WSR, is just interested in how to divide Kenyans along tribal lines and how he can capture the statehouse in 2022.


Pundit, Asking  Ruto to tame his addiction for corruption is like counseling an alcoholic to tame his alcohol consumption. Corruption has given Ruto power and there is no way he can let go because he will spend a lot of money to buy Gema and if he succeeds he will need to steal more to replenish what he is going to spend between not and 2022 and then start stealing for 2027.  The only way to curb corruption in Kenya is to defeat Ruto or considerably curtail his ability to steal with impunity.

The hustler reminds me of Kagame in one respect.  Dictatorial.  Everything else reminds me more of Mobutu.  Regardless of how beloved this sewer rat is to some, his path to State House consists of

1) death of kamwana
2) IEBC support
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I would just say don't be too personal on the man, it's just politics. That way the debate is more objective. It's also easier to accept defeat or victory when it occurs.

You would be hard pressed to explain, in a line up of second, third, fourth and fifth time repeat runners, how the first time runner is power hungry and not the repeaters? Logic please!

Does having a mammoth following automatically count as corruption? There is some 'heft' needed for that, no? I don't believe claims that Ruto has bribed Mt Kenya MPs any more than he has the Somali. And the Duales have followed him since the big ODM split post 2007.

Ruto's clout among the diverse pastoralist communities, as a mere MP, shows his leadership. The 2010 results demonstrated his ability to lead, not bribe or intimidate, which was Kibaki and Raila's preserve during the referendum.

The dynasties peddling "inclusion" are the status quo this time actually. We need salvation from their tyranny.

Like I said, poor man!
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Ruto attracts the extreme reaction for the same reason Raila does: Strength.
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Sorry to roil the evening, but I just rechecked the dictionary.

Dynasty = status quo and exclusion
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The SGR is doing well with the full bookings. You have to book 2-3 days in advance. The comfort and the times. Once they are able to do trains connecting Nairobi/Mombasa CBDs to Syokimau and Miritini they will have hit it. I don't know why there are no night trains. Cargo also doing well and as expected the magendo guys are crying - KRA & KPA guys are minting millions.

The prolonged rains are exposing the roads lie-  where are the roads which Jubilee keeps singing about?

About the cameras there is little to sing about- I saw an officer indicate they don't keep data for more than 30 days. Either true or usual criminal nature of our police, prosecution and judiciary. With the current evil axis in these 3 arms- police, prosecution and judiciary and little political goodwill corruption can only eat up everything in next 10 years. Can we progress without rule of law??

What is our economic model where government tries to do everything - manufacturing, housing, buses....


To be honest - the gdp growth rate under Jubilee has averaged around 6% - amidst global economic meltdown. TZ has done around 7% and Ethiopia around 10%. Definitely we should aim at Ethiopia's 10% growth rate but still UhuRuto have grown GDP from $50B to now around $85-88B - and have overseen some very trans-formative changes - chiefly possibly one of global fastest electrification, rolled out thousands of new tarmac - thanks to changing of road standards to allow for low seal roads - rolled out more investment in our education mainly laptop projects - and has done well in maternal sector despite counties & doctors-nurses ever on strike - and of course to top it up - they have delivered SGR - kenya biggest infrastructure investment and generally security situation has gotten way better - thanks to Huawei cameras in nairobi & mombasa!

Of course with all that - debts have mounted - corruption has not abetted - and we are still 4% short of the desired 10%. If Uhuru focus on BIG 4 - esp manufacturing & housing - then it may be possible to grew the economy by 10%.  Housing is really a low hanging fruit..there is huge demand for decent low cost housing....and China has the capacity to build us new cities for the cheap. Manufacturing is tough one but I believe we can copy Ethiopia and do well in Leather Industry for starters - and if we can subdize power in Naivasha industrial park and Dongo Kundu - we may have new engine of growth.

That should get us to 2022 - when I think Ruto will have a chance to make us a real middle income country ala South Africa. Ruto is energetic, driven and ambitious - and knows how to get stuff done - he is our Museveni (before he got senile), our Magufuli, our Kagame and our Meles Zenawi. He just need to tame his appetite for looting and we should be good to go.


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Robina, there is nothing like objectivity in politics especially in Kenya. Just go back to your earlier postings and tell me how objective you have been. My goal is not to be objective but to be reasonable in my subjectivity. Ruto is one of the most corrupt politicians in Kenya-PERIOD.  He started off selling chicken less than a decade ago but some people now estimate his net worth in 100's of billions and he acquired all these while working for the government. He is not the only one but he is corrupt.  He has really no articulable political ideology or any plan at all that he has intellectually talked, lectured about or written about. I think I have been very soft on Ruto. You can support Ruto if you want but just be honest about it like Pundit. Sitting on the fence or criticizing everybody is not objectivity.

I would just say don't be too personal on the man, it's just politics. That way the debate is more objective. It's also easier to accept defeat or victory when it occurs.

You would be hard pressed to explain, in a line up of second, third, fourth and fifth time repeat runners, how the first time runner is power hungry and not the repeaters? Logic please!

Does having a mammoth following automatically count as corruption? There is some 'heft' needed for that, no? I don't believe claims that Ruto has bribed Mt Kenya MPs any more than he has the Somali. And the Duales have followed him since the big ODM split post 2007.

Ruto's clout among the diverse pastoralist communities, as a mere MP, shows his leadership. The 2010 results demonstrated his ability to lead, not bribe or intimidate, which was Kibaki and Raila's preserve during the referendum.

The dynasties peddling "inclusion" are the status quo this time actually. We need salvation from their tyranny.

Like I said, poor man!
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Indeed I would love to hear what Ruto's vision is.  He has been in campaign mode for years.  But I can't put a finger on what he wants, other than power.
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Before "ideology" and such cosmetics, Ruto shone as the only Ass Min to sit in the Moi cabinet. As MP his CDF shone. As Agric & Higher Ed Min he shone. Fake colleges ran helter-skelter. That's a performer only rivalled by John Michuki. Compared to say a bozo like Mudavadi who held executive portfolio Finance and Local Govt under Moi and Raila patronage for years and has zilch to report.

Buzz like "ideology" is vagueness that masks incompetence. Political leanings are a costly luxury in place of bread and butter. That's why I asked earlier how a marshall plan would be impacted by the leader's title.

Ruto's ideological and economic stands are apparent to me as they begun since 2010 constitution debate to firm up in URP. He is social conservative supporting Christian and African traditional values. He opposed the new constitution for this reason - it's moral laxity on abortion, gay marriage, etc. To be clear I as Robina don't support conservative politics. Except where liberal loonies go too far.

He believes in small government and capitalism as opposed to state overreach and socialism. Ruto would be a Rethug in the US.

Most of the Jubilee big projects - SGR, irrigation schemes, etc - were URP promises before Jubilee coalition in Dec 2012. Uhuru's and TNA's main noticeable promise was laptops for kids.

You can recall Ruto and Raila's ODM promised devolution in the 2007 elections. At Naivasha in 2010, Ruto joined Uhuru and PNU to eliminate regions and PM from the draft. It buffles now Uhuru supports both items.

Ruto's stand is firm on most national matters. I don't know what to make of claims of his massive wealth. Also there are many fabulously wealthy thieves in the "inclusion" corner that you and Raila support. Ruto has nothing on the dynasties in this regard. It's actually impossible to say integrity, inclusion or change in the same breath as the dynasties with a straight face.

About vision: well 2022 is a whole 4 years away. We don't even know his opponents, except those pushing for new positions while insisting they will not run in 2022. Some are being proposed by Atwoli, etc. No pressure for Ruto at all - let competitors emerge.

Ruto has in fact never been a presidential candidate before. Still he masterfully articulates the incoherent Mr Kenyatta's agenda. Formal campaigns begin in May 2022.
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Before "ideology" and such cosmetics, Ruto shone as the only Ass Min to sit in the Moi cabinet. As MP his CDF shone. As Agric & Higher Ed Min he shone. Fake colleges ran helter-skelter. That's a performer only rivalled by John Michuki. Compared to say a bozo like Mudavadi who held executive portfolio Finance and Local Govt under Moi and Raila patronage for years and has zilch to report.

Buzz like "ideology" is vagueness that masks incompetence. Political leanings are a costly luxury in place of bread and butter. That's why I asked earlier how a marshall plan would be impacted by the leader's title.

Ruto's ideological and economic stands are apparent to me as they begun since 2010 constitution debate to firm up in URP. He is social conservative supporting Christian and African traditional values. He opposed the new constitution for this reason - it's moral laxity on abortion, gay marriage, etc. To be clear I as Robina don't support conservative politics. Except where liberal loonies go too far.

He believes in small government and capitalism as opposed to state overreach and socialism. Ruto would be a Rethug in the US.

Most of the Jubilee big projects - SGR, irrigation schemes, etc - were URP promises before Jubilee coalition in Dec 2012. Uhuru's and TNA's main noticeable promise was laptops for kids.

You can recall Ruto and Raila's ODM promised devolution in the 2007 elections. At Naivasha in 2010, Ruto joined Uhuru and PNU to eliminate regions and PM from the draft. It buffles now Uhuru supports both items.

Ruto's stand is firm on most national matters. I don't know what to make of claims of his massive wealth. Also there are many fabulously wealthy thieves in the "inclusion" corner that you and Raila support. Ruto has nothing on the dynasties in this regard. It's actually impossible to say integrity, inclusion or change in the same breath as the dynasties with a straight face.

About vision: well 2022 is a whole 4 years away. We don't even know his opponents, except those pushing for new positions while insisting they will not run in 2022. Some are being proposed by Atwoli, etc. No pressure for Ruto at all - let competitors emerge.

Ruto has in fact never been a presidential candidate before. Still he masterfully articulates the incoherent Mr Kenyatta's agenda. Formal campaigns begin in May 2022.
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You hit the nail on the head. Ruto is arguably the most intelligent of the current crop of politicians, the most committed and the most likely to get stuff done.Ruto doesn't loot because he loves money like Raila or Kibaki - but mostly he sees money as tool to expand his politics - ultimately I think Ruto is nearest we have of Meles Zenawi & Paul Kagame-- and when he becomes PORK - Kenya would be a great place because Ruto will not settle for nothing less.
Before "ideology" and such cosmetics, Ruto shone as the only Ass Min to sit in the Moi cabinet. As MP his CDF shone. As Agric & Higher Ed Min he shone. Fake colleges ran helter-skelter. That's a performer only rivalled by John Michuki. Compared to say a bozo like Mudavadi who held executive portfolio Finance and Local Govt under Moi and Raila patronage for years and has zilch to report.

Buzz like "ideology" is vagueness that masks incompetence. Political leanings are a costly luxury in place of bread and butter. That's why I asked earlier how a marshall plan would be impacted by the leader's title.

Ruto's ideological and economic stands are apparent to me as they begun since 2010 constitution debate to firm up in URP. He is social conservative supporting Christian and African traditional values. He opposed the new constitution for this reason - it's moral laxity on abortion, gay marriage, etc. To be clear I as Robina don't support conservative politics. Except where liberal loonies go too far.

He believes in small government and capitalism as opposed to state overreach and socialism. Ruto would be a Rethug in the US.

Most of the Jubilee big projects - SGR, irrigation schemes, etc - were URP promises before Jubilee coalition in Dec 2012. Uhuru's and TNA's main noticeable promise was laptops for kids.

You can recall Ruto and Raila's ODM promised devolution in the 2007 elections. At Naivasha in 2010, Ruto joined Uhuru and PNU to eliminate regions and PM from the draft. It buffles now Uhuru supports both items.

Ruto's stand is firm on most national matters. I don't know what to make of claims of his massive wealth. Also there are many fabulously wealthy thieves in the "inclusion" corner that you and Raila support. Ruto has nothing on the dynasties in this regard. It's actually impossible to say integrity, inclusion or change in the same breath as the dynasties with a straight face.

About vision: well 2022 is a whole 4 years away. We don't even know his opponents, except those pushing for new positions while insisting they will not run in 2022. Some are being proposed by Atwoli, etc. No pressure for Ruto at all - let competitors emerge.

Ruto has in fact never been a presidential candidate before. Still he masterfully articulates the incoherent Mr Kenyatta's agenda. Formal campaigns begin in May 2022.

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Politics of ideology - socialism versus capitalism - etc - died long time ago in 1990 before Ruto joined politics. Raila of course was brought up a communist marxist - and probably expouse them when in fact he is capitalist who is stingy as hell. Right now everyone including the most avowed socialist or communist in China or capitalist in US - understands there is need to blend everything - and so the only ideology that people really care about is ideology of development, of fighting poverty and progress. And Ruto espouse that.

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The ideology of African politicians is the same. Criminal gangsterism - primitive accumulation, plunder, destroy rule of law, police, prosecution, destroy evidence. bribe or kill witnesses.

Any political idea or project is all about establishing, nurturing or expanding the criminal enterprise. You reward the enforcers and punish any threats to the criminal outfit. Push projects which line your projects with ease.

Kenyatta, Moi and Ruto are ruthless mafia dons who are proud of it despite the usual church sermons. Uhuru and Gideon are reluctant don heirs but still mafioso by blood and actions.
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I think you could as well be describing Raila. In terms of ruthless pragmatism, etc. For instance Raila supported a draft with pure presidency, no regions, etc - for political expediency. The most discernible difference between Raila and Ruto is the disorganization vs efficiency. I said already both men are ambitious to build legacies but Ruto's execution is definitely better.

If ideology was important than efficiency I would pick Raila because I would rather liberal than conservative. However I don't want socialism.

My man is William Ruto. Ruthless efficiency and capitalism.

Before "ideology" and such cosmetics, Ruto shone as the only Ass Min to sit in the Moi cabinet. As MP his CDF shone. As Agric & Higher Ed Min he shone. Fake colleges ran helter-skelter. That's a performer only rivalled by John Michuki. Compared to say a bozo like Mudavadi who held executive portfolio Finance and Local Govt under Moi and Raila patronage for years and has zilch to report.

Buzz like "ideology" is vagueness that masks incompetence. Political leanings are a costly luxury in place of bread and butter. That's why I asked earlier how a marshall plan would be impacted by the leader's title.

Ruto's ideological and economic stands are apparent to me as they begun since 2010 constitution debate to firm up in URP. He is social conservative supporting Christian and African traditional values. He opposed the new constitution for this reason - it's moral laxity on abortion, gay marriage, etc. To be clear I as Robina don't support conservative politics. Except where liberal loonies go too far.

He believes in small government and capitalism as opposed to state overreach and socialism. Ruto would be a Rethug in the US.

Most of the Jubilee big projects - SGR, irrigation schemes, etc - were URP promises before Jubilee coalition in Dec 2012. Uhuru's and TNA's main noticeable promise was laptops for kids.

You can recall Ruto and Raila's ODM promised devolution in the 2007 elections. At Naivasha in 2010, Ruto joined Uhuru and PNU to eliminate regions and PM from the draft. It buffles now Uhuru supports both items.

Ruto's stand is firm on most national matters. I don't know what to make of claims of his massive wealth. Also there are many fabulously wealthy thieves in the "inclusion" corner that you and Raila support. Ruto has nothing on the dynasties in this regard. It's actually impossible to say integrity, inclusion or change in the same breath as the dynasties with a straight face.

About vision: well 2022 is a whole 4 years away. We don't even know his opponents, except those pushing for new positions while insisting they will not run in 2022. Some are being proposed by Atwoli, etc. No pressure for Ruto at all - let competitors emerge.

Ruto has in fact never been a presidential candidate before. Still he masterfully articulates the incoherent Mr Kenyatta's agenda. Formal campaigns begin in May 2022.
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You can have an ideology and be pragmatic at the same time as opposed to a fanatic/extremist.

Raila has described himself several times as a panafricanist and a social democrat-  Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy.

I would assume that an educated person in this day and age should support  a leader who at a minimum be able to  articulate their political ideology in away that is consistent with the acceptable political ideologies of our modern times.

I have never heard Ruto articulate his political ideology and I think its intentional so that he is not pegged down to any set of internal rules that people can judge him by. I am sure Ruto has some sets of political preferences which could be plotted somewhere on the Right to left political spectrum but he leaves that to people like you and Pundit to do so in the most positive light possible to his political career as needed.

 I and many others believe that Ruto is a ruthless, efficient, pragmatist in the politics of corruption, looting, tribalism, and electoral fraud.  I believe he is capable of quickly graduating into a ruthless dictator if not stopped or checked. He has been compared to some of the most ruthless dictators of our time based on his impatience, restlessness, aversion to criticism, hands on managerial style, and ability to very cruel and unforgiving to his critics. Just think of how he recently let his dogs loose on Gideon at a funeral. Gideon's only crime is because he dares to have presidential ambitions and denied Ruto access to his ailing and his senile 93 year old father when Ruto needed that photo-op to bolster  his 2022 political ambitions.
 
Most dictators win hearts earlier in their days of governance by promising efficiency in the delivery of services in exchange for civil liberties. People love it in the beginning just to wake up a few years later with a ruthless dictator. I remember the earlier days of Moi visiting hospitals, Kagame is still at it and Ugandans loved Museveni when he rode into power.

We need the constitutional changes that Raila is fighting for to safeguard our democracy, inclusivity, unity and liberties than the fleeting and nebulous qualities of an "efficient" strong man that Ruto is offering.

I think you could as well be describing Raila. In terms of ruthless pragmatism, etc. For instance Raila supported a draft with pure presidency, no regions, etc - for political expediency. The most discernible difference between Raila and Ruto is the disorganization vs efficiency. I said already both men are ambitious to build legacies but Ruto's execution is definitely better.

If ideology was important than efficiency I would pick Raila because I would rather liberal than conservative. However I don't want socialism.

My man is William Ruto. Ruthless efficiency and capitalism.

Before "ideology" and such cosmetics, Ruto shone as the only Ass Min to sit in the Moi cabinet. As MP his CDF shone. As Agric & Higher Ed Min he shone. Fake colleges ran helter-skelter. That's a performer only rivalled by John Michuki. Compared to say a bozo like Mudavadi who held executive portfolio Finance and Local Govt under Moi and Raila patronage for years and has zilch to report.

Buzz like "ideology" is vagueness that masks incompetence. Political leanings are a costly luxury in place of bread and butter. That's why I asked earlier how a marshall plan would be impacted by the leader's title.

Ruto's ideological and economic stands are apparent to me as they begun since 2010 constitution debate to firm up in URP. He is social conservative supporting Christian and African traditional values. He opposed the new constitution for this reason - it's moral laxity on abortion, gay marriage, etc. To be clear I as Robina don't support conservative politics. Except where liberal loonies go too far.

He believes in small government and capitalism as opposed to state overreach and socialism. Ruto would be a Rethug in the US.

Most of the Jubilee big projects - SGR, irrigation schemes, etc - were URP promises before Jubilee coalition in Dec 2012. Uhuru's and TNA's main noticeable promise was laptops for kids.

You can recall Ruto and Raila's ODM promised devolution in the 2007 elections. At Naivasha in 2010, Ruto joined Uhuru and PNU to eliminate regions and PM from the draft. It buffles now Uhuru supports both items.

Ruto's stand is firm on most national matters. I don't know what to make of claims of his massive wealth. Also there are many fabulously wealthy thieves in the "inclusion" corner that you and Raila support. Ruto has nothing on the dynasties in this regard. It's actually impossible to say integrity, inclusion or change in the same breath as the dynasties with a straight face.

About vision: well 2022 is a whole 4 years away. We don't even know his opponents, except those pushing for new positions while insisting they will not run in 2022. Some are being proposed by Atwoli, etc. No pressure for Ruto at all - let competitors emerge.

Ruto has in fact never been a presidential candidate before. Still he masterfully articulates the incoherent Mr Kenyatta's agenda. Formal campaigns begin in May 2022.
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