Watch Dr. Mukhisa Kituyi carefully... watch his every move and step... next PORK

[audacityofhope]

Just because I am preoccupied putting buffoons on .com in check is no license for some to get away posting falsehoods on my Bukusu people...
The truth is only a click or a Wikipedia away.

The seventeen tribes are the Bukusu (Aba-Bukusu), Idakho (Av-Idakho), Isukha (Av-Isukha), Kabras (Aba-Kabras), Khayo (Aba-Khayo), Kisa (Aba-Kisa), Marachi (Aba-Marachi), Maragoli (Aba-Logoli), Marama (Aba-Marama), Nyala (Aba-Nyala), Nyole (Aba-Nyole), Samia (Aba-Samia), Tachoni (Aba-Tachoni), Tiriki (Aba-Tiriki), Tsotso (Abatsotso), Wanga (Aba-Wanga), Batura (Abatura). They are closely related to the Masaba (or Gisu), whose language is mutually intelligible with Luhya. The Bukusu and the Maragoli are the two largest Luhya tribes.

The western province is the most densely populated part of Kenya

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhya_people

Holders of the highest office in the land have seen it twice politically prudent to put, not once but twice, two luhyas a heart-beat way from the presidency - Awori and late Kijana Wamalwa - the latter was pick certainly not because he came from a "tiny" tribe.

It is no secret why census results never get released. Were they, then they would provide valuable insight into two behavious. One why centro men get beaten senseless by their women for being unable to perform perhaps due to diminished capability due to copious amounts of illicit brew. Tyranny of numbers is an illusion they delude themselves with. Two, I schooled in what was expansive RV and I can tell first hand the sub-tribes combined aren't that many either.

And Robina, no, "Bukusu and are ripe for the taking", their political decisions are not hostage to any government - national or county.  Bukusu land is blessed with bounty harvests and that is the basis of their independence. Google is your fren. It is a permanent feature that Luto is heckled so much that he now knows to avoid Bungoma town when he tours the county preferring to meander and address rural areas of the county that do not have capacity to embarrass him.

You were a tiny wee right on one thing, Mukhisa cannot connect to the grass-root in his backyard, he lost his parliamentary seat in 2007 when he was a powerful cabinet minister. People forget the man was Jobless before being plucked to join UNCTAD. Wetangula's influence on his people was recently exposed and aptly captured in a description by a Maasai senator "a man with one cow cannot be the head of a cattle dip". Weta is not loved, only tolerated. Luhyas have never forgotten how he in 2007 he aligned himself with Kibaki against the position the Luhya collectively had taken. It is a good time he and Kalonzo gave up their dream to be president.

And BTW Bukusu are not Ugandan. In Uganda, Kenya, TZ, Luos retain their identity because in all those three countries they are indeed Luo. Bukusu are in Kenya. You may find Bagishu (bamasaba) in Uganda but you won't find a viable entity in Kenya called Bagisu. I hope you get the drift here.
 
Not the first time you post utterances you have not researched. We had this conversation a few weeks after the fire at JKIA:

Who cares for a broke continent when you have a thriving Asia,Africa,Middle east and Latin America.

The kind of propaganda some allow themselves to buy into hook, line and sinker is mind-boggling....

Somewhere on the 'broke' European Continent (Schipol Airport - Holland)


Somewhere on the 'thriving ' African Continent (JKIA Airport - Kenya)

Who succession line? Raila -he is dead on arrival? Western - he has no hope coming from a tiny sub-tribe?  And he has the charisma of Eugene Wamalwa.

I would place Oparanya ahead of Kituyi in the succession line.  Still it's early times.  And also, it's the IEBC stupid.

[RV Pundit]

Learn to summarize -even if you have the whole day for this.

Just because I am preoccupied putting buffoons on .com in check is no license for some to get away posting falsehoods on my Bukusu people...
The truth is only a click or a Wikipedia away.

The seventeen tribes are the Bukusu (Aba-Bukusu), Idakho (Av-Idakho), Isukha (Av-Isukha), Kabras (Aba-Kabras), Khayo (Aba-Khayo), Kisa (Aba-Kisa), Marachi (Aba-Marachi), Maragoli (Aba-Logoli), Marama (Aba-Marama), Nyala (Aba-Nyala), Nyole (Aba-Nyole), Samia (Aba-Samia), Tachoni (Aba-Tachoni), Tiriki (Aba-Tiriki), Tsotso (Abatsotso), Wanga (Aba-Wanga), Batura (Abatura). They are closely related to the Masaba (or Gisu), whose language is mutually intelligible with Luhya. The Bukusu and the Maragoli are the two largest Luhya tribes.

The western province is the most densely populated part of Kenya

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhya_people

Holders of the highest office in the land have seen it twice politically prudent to put, not once but twice, two luhyas a heart-beat way from the presidency - Awori and late Kijana Wamalwa - the latter was pick certainly not because he came from a "tiny" tribe.

It is no secret why census results never get released. Were they, then they would provide valuable insight into two behavious. One why centro men get beaten senseless by their women for being unable to perform perhaps due to diminished capability due to copious amounts of illicit brew. Tyranny of numbers is an illusion they delude themselves with. Two, I schooled in what was expansive RV and I can tell first hand the sub-tribes combined aren't that many either.

And Robina, no, "Bukusu and are ripe for the taking", their political decisions are not hostage to any government - national or county.  Bukusu land is blessed with bounty harvests and that is the basis of their independence. Google is your fren. It is a permanent feature that Luto is heckled so much that he now knows to avoid Bungoma town when he tours the county preferring to meander and address rural areas of the county that do not have capacity to embarrass him.

You were a tiny wee right on one thing, Mukhisa cannot connect to the grass-root in his backyard, he lost his parliamentary seat in 2007 when he was a powerful cabinet minister. People forget the man was Jobless before being plucked to join UNCTAD. Wetangula's influence on his people was recently exposed and aptly captured in a description by a Maasai senator "a man with one cow cannot be the head of a cattle dip". Weta is not loved, only tolerated. Luhyas have never forgotten how he in 2007 he aligned himself with Kibaki against the position the Luhya collectively had taken. It is a good time he and Kalonzo gave up their dream to be president.

And BTW Bukusu are not Ugandan. In Uganda, Kenya, TZ, Luos retain their identity because in all those three countries they are indeed Luo. Bukusu are in Kenya. You may find Bagishu (bamasaba) in Uganda but you won't find a viable entity in Kenya called Bagisu. I hope you get the drift here.
 
Not the first time you post utterances you have not researched. We had this conversation a few weeks after the fire at JKIA:

Who cares for a broke continent when you have a thriving Asia,Africa,Middle east and Latin America.

The kind of propaganda some allow themselves to buy into hook, line and sinker is mind-boggling....

Somewhere on the 'broke' European Continent (Schipol Airport - Holland)


Somewhere on the 'thriving ' African Continent (JKIA Airport - Kenya)

Who succession line? Raila -he is dead on arrival? Western - he has no hope coming from a tiny sub-tribe?  And he has the charisma of Eugene Wamalwa.

I would place Oparanya ahead of Kituyi in the succession line.  Still it's early times.  And also, it's the IEBC stupid.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Just because I am preoccupied putting buffoons on .com in check is no license for some to get away posting falsehoods on my Bukusu people...
The truth is only a click or a Wikipedia away.

The seventeen tribes are the Bukusu (Aba-Bukusu), Idakho (Av-Idakho), Isukha (Av-Isukha), Kabras (Aba-Kabras), Khayo (Aba-Khayo), Kisa (Aba-Kisa), Marachi (Aba-Marachi), Maragoli (Aba-Logoli), Marama (Aba-Marama), Nyala (Aba-Nyala), Nyole (Aba-Nyole), Samia (Aba-Samia), Tachoni (Aba-Tachoni), Tiriki (Aba-Tiriki), Tsotso (Abatsotso), Wanga (Aba-Wanga), Batura (Abatura). They are closely related to the Masaba (or Gisu), whose language is mutually intelligible with Luhya. The Bukusu and the Maragoli are the two largest Luhya tribes.

The western province is the most densely populated part of Kenya

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhya_people

Holders of the highest office in the land have seen it twice politically prudent to put, not once but twice, two luhyas a heart-beat way from the presidency - Awori and late Kijana Wamalwa - the latter was pick certainly not because he came from a "tiny" tribe.

It is no secret why census results never get released. Were they, then they would provide valuable insight into two behavious. One why centro men get beaten senseless by their women for being unable to perform perhaps due to diminished capability due to copious amounts of illicit brew. Tyranny of numbers is an illusion they delude themselves with. Two, I schooled in what was expansive RV and I can tell first hand the sub-tribes combined aren't that many either.

And Robina, no, "Bukusu and are ripe for the taking", their political decisions are not hostage to any government - national or county.  Bukusu land is blessed with bounty harvests and that is the basis of their independence. Google is your fren. It is a permanent feature that Luto is heckled so much that he now knows to avoid Bungoma town when he tours the county preferring to meander and address rural areas of the county that do not have capacity to embarrass him.

You were a tiny wee right on one thing, Mukhisa cannot connect to the grass-root in his backyard, he lost his parliamentary seat in 2007 when he was a powerful cabinet minister. People forget the man was Jobless before being plucked to join UNCTAD. Wetangula's influence on his people was recently exposed and aptly captured in a description by a Maasai senator "a man with one cow cannot be the head of a cattle dip". Weta is not loved, only tolerated. Luhyas have never forgotten how he in 2007 he aligned himself with Kibaki against the position the Luhya collectively had taken. It is a good time he and Kalonzo gave up their dream to be president.

And BTW Bukusu are not Ugandan. In Uganda, Kenya, TZ, Luos retain their identity because in all those three countries they are indeed Luo. Bukusu are in Kenya. You may find Bagishu (bamasaba) in Uganda but you won't find a viable entity in Kenya called Bagisu. I hope you get the drift here.
 
Not the first time you post utterances you have not researched. We had this conversation a few weeks after the fire at JKIA:

Who cares for a broke continent when you have a thriving Asia,Africa,Middle east and Latin America.

The kind of propaganda some allow themselves to buy into hook, line and sinker is mind-boggling....

Somewhere on the 'broke' European Continent (Schipol Airport - Holland)


Somewhere on the 'thriving ' African Continent (JKIA Airport - Kenya)

Who succession line? Raila -he is dead on arrival? Western - he has no hope coming from a tiny sub-tribe?  And he has the charisma of Eugene Wamalwa.

I would place Oparanya ahead of Kituyi in the succession line.  Still it's early times.  And also, it's the IEBC stupid.

Of course the Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Kisii and Mijikenda are tiny tribes  . 

Aren't the Bukusus very very closely related to the Bagisu(Bamasaba) though?  As in the closest relatives are these Ugandans.  Closer than even other Luhya tribes.  That's not to say they are Ugandans, a creation of the British much like Kenyans are.

[Nefertiti]

Kichwa told us there was a rigging cult that cooked everything including observers I wonder if Ruto as DPORK doesn't have access to the machinery.

I don't know where kichwa said that.  But if he did, I would love to see some credible sources cited.  The SCOK case focused on a narrow, but critical, scope of electoral accountability that was brought before it.  What observers saw or did not see was not germane to the ruling that there were not enough Form 34As to support a declaration at the time it was made.

http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=5076.msg38046#msg38046

[audacityofhope]

Of course the Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Kisii  and Mijikenda are tiny tribes  . 

Aren't the Bukusus very very closely related to the Bagisu(Bamasaba) though?  As in the closest relatives are these Ugandans.  Closer than even other Luhya tribes.  That's not to say they are Ugandans, a creation of the British much like Kenyans are.

Bitmask or is it @windy-city?

You are right, the bamasaba are close relatives of the Bukusu, but it is a fallacy for anyone to proclaim that the Bukusu are not Kenyan.  The man has made so many careless assertions on this thread and I was merely trying to respond to a host of them.
Funny how Pundit by deduction thinks the only large tribes in Kenya are Kikuyu and Kale

The part of my writeup you are commenting on was as a response to this post:

If he can soften Wetangula enough to get Bukusu vote - then MaDVD would be in pole position to pick the small tribes - most of whom are either maragoli or luo aligned. He can loose a few sub-tribes closely aligned with Raila but can get most of Luhyas. The bukusu is strange - it more uganda & even Kalenjin aligned - although it can get the tachoni to sway with them.

MaDVD had a golden opportunity but he need to close the deal - Bukusu never been this vulnerable - Wetangula is exposed empty suit - it btw the rock & the hard place - MaDVD or Ruto.

There is even not a single accurate sentence he made in that short paragraph: Wetangula has no hold over the Bukusu, absolutely no cult following when compared to leaders before him like Masinde Muliro and Kijana Wamalawa. ODM became dominant in Bukusuland mainly courtesy of Masinde Muliro at original FORD party's inception. If Weta takes a hike, he will go alone. The Bukusu people vote for the party more than they vote for their current FORD-Kenya party leader. That is the truth.
MDvD can go ahead and waste his time doing what pundit is calling "softening wetangula", but here is what Pundit has conveniently not acknowledged --> Senator Olekina Ledama asked how many votes can "a man with one cow" bring to the table? one vote?  Weta is all noise and cacophony signifying zilch.

And no .. "the Bukusu have never EVER been vulnerable" - they are simply very independent political thinkers - hatupendi upuzi down to the grandma in the village. If anyone ever wants to ascend to Luhya Kingpin, they have a spirit and rhythm that encompasses the heart and soul of the Bukusu people otherwise, whatever that scheme is, will never see the light of day

[audacityofhope]

Learn to summarize -even if you have the whole day for this.

Such a response would not be a surprise on .com, but I didn't know that ad hominem is also a literary weapon on .org, where long debates are ordinarily not frowned upon.

[RV Pundit]

You're trying to use many words when all you want to say is that Bukusu will not abandon Raila or ODM. Which is laughable. There is no a single ODM mp in entire Bukusu land...and even the last man standing Khangati left. I guess you're betting Sifuna will sway Bukusu....the man who failed to win an mp seat there. Bukusu last election vote Jubilee and Ford-Kenya. In 2022 there is no price for guessing..Raila and ODM will get zero in Bukusu land. Wamalwa-Lusaka camp will be in Jubilee - while Wetangula will be either with MaDVD or Jubilee.

Now that is how to summarize - don't waste our time with bukusu grandma anthropology. No wonder nobody likes you in toilet.com. You're such a drag.

Such a response would not be a surprise on .com, but I didn't know that ad hominem is also a literary weapon on .org, where long debates are ordinarily not frowned upon.

[Kichwa]

All I can say for now is that a lot will happen politically between now and 2022.

You're trying to use many words when all you want to say is that Bukusu will not abandon Raila or ODM. Which is laughable. There is no a single ODM mp in entire Bukusu land...and even the last man standing Khangati left. I guess you're betting Sifuna will sway Bukusu....the man who failed to win an mp seat there. Bukusu last election vote Jubilee and Ford-Kenya. In 2022 there is no price for guessing..Raila and ODM will get zero in Bukusu land. Wamalwa-Lusaka camp will be in Jubilee - while Wetangula will be either with MaDVD or Jubilee.

Now that is how to summarize - don't waste our time with bukusu grandma anthropology. No wonder nobody likes you in toilet.com. You're such a drag.

Such a response would not be a surprise on .com, but I didn't know that ad hominem is also a literary weapon on .org, where long debates are ordinarily not frowned upon.

[audacityofhope]

You're trying to use many words when all you want to say is that Bukusu will not abandon Raila or ODM. Which is laughable. There is no a single ODM mp in entire Bukusu land...and even the last man standing Khangati left. I guess you're betting Sifuna will sway Bukusu....the man who failed to win an mp seat there. Bukusu last election vote Jubilee and Ford-Kenya. In 2022 there is no price for guessing..Raila and ODM will get zero in Bukusu land. Wamalwa-Lusaka camp will be in Jubilee - while Wetangula will be either with MaDVD or Jubilee.

Now that is how to summarize - don't waste our time with bukusu grandma anthropology. No wonder nobody likes you in toilet.com. You're such a drag.

Wrong again! You don't get it do you? 
Anyway how can you if you never read my post and its context. You are mired and rooted in your opinions while at the same time consumed by your misconceptions purporting to know more than anybody else even on other cultures that you do not in the first place belong to. The mention of ODM was purely to trace how ODM got its INITIAL support in Luhyaland - I then went on to explain that the Bukusu spirit is to vote with their hearts and soul. How many times have you heard Kenyan Politicians complain that Luhyas never vote to a man to any single party? I called them independent political thinkers - I want to believe you understand what the word "independent" stands for. For avoidance of doubt on what I just said, by way of example, yours truly as a voter already abandoned Tinga after he betrayed the cause. I now prefer to be identified with the ideals being fronted by Dr. Miguna. 

... Wetangula has no hold over the Bukusu, absolutely no cult following when compared to leaders before him like Masinde Muliro and Kijana Wamalawa. ODM became dominant in Bukusuland mainly courtesy of Masinde Muliro at original FORD party's inception. If Weta takes a hike, he will go alone. The Bukusu people vote for the [FORD-Kenya] party more than they vote for their current FORD-Kenya party leader. That is the truth.
The Bukusu ... are simply very independent political thinkers - hatupendi upuzi down to the grandma in the village. If anyone ever wants to ascend to Luhya Kingpin, they need a spirit and rhythm that encompasses the heart and soul of the Bukusu people otherwise, whatever that scheme is, will never see the light of day

I was responding to you on matters Wetangula and MDvd. part of you subtle ad hominem is to drag in a laundry list of names to move the goal posts before exhausting the debate on the two names you started with. If you want us to debate the sifunas, Khangati, wamalwa-lusaka axis, we can do so on another thread without derailing the issues you were about on your earlier post(s).

BTW I have waited 5 years, you never got back to me on that bit about "thriving Africa"; do you still hold the same opinion that you tried to front over here?

Who cares for a broke continent when you have a thriving Asia,Africa,Middle east and Latin America.

The kind of propaganda some allow themselves to buy into hook, line and sinker is mind-boggling....

Somewhere on the 'broke' European Continent (Schipol Airport - Holland)


Somewhere on the 'thriving ' African Continent (JKIA Airport - Kenya)

[Kichwa]

I never said that and you know it but I know you will stop at nothing to promote Ruto.  The rigging issue was put to rest when ouruto refused to open the server.  Raila has won the elections three times and do not need any lectures on how to win free and fair elections.  Ruto is yet to win any free and fair presidential elections in Kenya.

Kichwa told us there was a rigging cult that cooked everything including observers I wonder if Ruto as DPORK doesn't have access to the machinery.

You've deluded yourself that IEBC wins you election; it doesn't. Raila had IEBC in 2013 - he appointed half of them - was in charge of it's procurement and had a CEO from his bondo backyard - and yet he lost. Election is won long before election day - by doing what Ruto is doing - campaigning early and regularly - and spending lots of money. Election day with all technology is incredibly hard to manipulate...unless you believe someone can miraculously hack everything.

[audacityofhope]

Personally I already lost faith in the Betrayer, one Raila Amollo, but sample this already, It did not take even a fortnight for Luhyas to go back to pulling in different direction. @RV Pundit again so wrong on Luhya and Raila manenos.

amid reports that his colleague and ANC leader Musalia Mudavadi has been meeting with Raila.

Read more at: Corridors

[GeeMail]

I didn't take #Pragmatic seriously when he mentioned Mukhisa Kituyi's ambitions until I read this.

https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/Mukhisa-Kituyi-says-Mike-Sonko-was-not-fit-to-lead-Nairobi/1954174-4553982-m2epi6/index.html

As UNCTAD boss I hope he was commenting in the larger context as the host of the UNCTAD conference in Nairobi last year but alas! Sounds like what a Nairobi MCA would say.

[Pragmatic]

I have some bad news for our resident RV Pundit and Robina; That is going to be the next president of Kenya. Watch these next 2 years prior to his end of term at UNCTAD.

As for people repackaging themselves back to the roots where they came from; Mukhisa is equally the son of a peasant (bukusu) and so he doesn't have to parade his peasant credentials.

He has his flaws like every human being but one of those flaws is not "thieving". He served government very well who so far would pass as one of our best Trade & Industry Ministers and walked away free of taint of corruption or theft of public resources. Gema likes him and whispers are that Uhuru is very much comfortable that this is the guy. Watch Uhuru's body language; he is slowly cutting ties with Ulliam... interests now are around who will preserve and grow the wealth without killing the golden goose at the same time. That is the only permanent denominator in the play for power..... interests.

Mukhisa has international credentials and very vital contacts that will keep Kenya engaged with the major global players. He doesn't suffer fools easily and yes he is an arrogant fellow; but he is a brilliant mind. He also can play politics very well; he will have just about 2 years after the end of his UNCTAD mission to organise his stab for the top seat - enough time to be ready.

He has worked with Raila before and as we all know he worked very well with Uhuru in the government of national unity and they are united that Kenya needs some steady hands post Uhuru; not any more antagonism and politics of exclusion. Even though they had some icy partying of ways at some point, Raila will "tosha" him and Uhuru will not rock the boat so as not to openly upset Ulliam.

That is going to be our next PORK or prime minister or whatever the intended constitution review will create as the ultimate top-dog.

I put this out more than 2 years ago.... Pundit and Robina laughed it off. Watch Mukhisa's every move..... in particular watch and listen to his messaging. The game has just started. At very worst, he will be in the next government as a strong player in crafting Kenya's recovery strategy and re-engagement with the international community.

The game has started.

[RV Pundit]

You think after 6yrs in Geneva Mukhisa has metarphosed into a messiah. The guy in 2013 couldn't win senate against Weta - and you think he can match Dr Ruto

I put this out more than 2 years ago.... Pundit and Robina laughed it off. Watch Mukhisa's every move..... in particular watch and listen to his messaging. The game has just started. At very worst, he will be in the next government as a strong player in crafting Kenya's recovery strategy and re-engagement with the international community.

The game has started.

[Nowayhaha]

Just as it happened in 2013  .Once he loses he will seek a Job at U.N.
He has a good C.V. to go with that

I have some bad news for our resident RV Pundit and Robina; That is going to be the next president of Kenya. Watch these next 2 years prior to his end of term at UNCTAD.

As for people repackaging themselves back to the roots where they came from; Mukhisa is equally the son of a peasant (bukusu) and so he doesn't have to parade his peasant credentials.

He has his flaws like every human being but one of those flaws is not "thieving". He served government very well who so far would pass as one of our best Trade & Industry Ministers and walked away free of taint of corruption or theft of public resources. Gema likes him and whispers are that Uhuru is very much comfortable that this is the guy. Watch Uhuru's body language; he is slowly cutting ties with Ulliam... interests now are around who will preserve and grow the wealth without killing the golden goose at the same time. That is the only permanent denominator in the play for power..... interests.

Mukhisa has international credentials and very vital contacts that will keep Kenya engaged with the major global players. He doesn't suffer fools easily and yes he is an arrogant fellow; but he is a brilliant mind. He also can play politics very well; he will have just about 2 years after the end of his UNCTAD mission to organise his stab for the top seat - enough time to be ready.

He has worked with Raila before and as we all know he worked very well with Uhuru in the government of national unity and they are united that Kenya needs some steady hands post Uhuru; not any more antagonism and politics of exclusion. Even though they had some icy partying of ways at some point, Raila will "tosha" him and Uhuru will not rock the boat so as not to openly upset Ulliam.

That is going to be our next PORK or prime minister or whatever the intended constitution review will create as the ultimate top-dog.

I put this out more than 2 years ago.... Pundit and Robina laughed it off. Watch Mukhisa's every move..... in particular watch and listen to his messaging. The game has just started. At very worst, he will be in the next government as a strong player in crafting Kenya's recovery strategy and re-engagement with the international community.

The game has started.