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No doubt, Matiba helped usher in the second liberation of Kenya against the Moi regime. All over, there are obituaries and eulogies of the man, from his KFF days to minister and to opposition activist (not leader). What is missing in the stories is the way Matiba almost single handedly brought down the opposition in 1992. As Ford Kenya gathered storm and was certain of Jaramogi occupying State House, Matiba launched a breakaway party called Ford Asili with Martin Shikuku (who ate ugali in State House) and made sure Jaramogi did not achieve his dream. With that Kenya never recovered and the second liberation was a sham (Gen Kiguoya took over instead, leading us to where we are today). Matiba did some good things, but as people eulogize him, this unfortunate footnote in history must also occupy its place.

[Pajero]

Thats correct,he split the original FORD movement and the rest is history.

[Kadudu]

The naked truth. I remember Paul Muite flying to London to plead with Matiba to stick with Jaramogi, but Matiba had been influenced by his henchmen that only a Kikuyu could lead Kenya. It is through his actions that the ever fence sitter Kibaki got to the highest office in the land.

No doubt, Matiba helped usher in the second liberation of Kenya against the Moi regime. All over, there are obituaries and eulogies of the man, from his KFF days to minister and to opposition activist (not leader). What is missing in the stories is the way Matiba almost single handedly brought down the opposition in 1992. As Ford Kenya gathered storm and was certain of Jaramogi occupying State House, Matiba launched a breakaway party called Ford Asili with Martin Shikuku (who ate ugali in State House) and made sure Jaramogi did not achieve his dream. With that Kenya never recovered and the second liberation was a sham (Gen Kiguoya took over instead, leading us to where we are today). Matiba did some good things, but as people eulogize him, this unfortunate footnote in history must also occupy its place.

[GeeMail]

The naked truth. I remember Paul Muite flying to London to plead with Matiba to stick with Jaramogi, but Matiba had been influenced by his henchmen that only a Kikuyu could lead Kenya. It is through his actions that the ever fence sitter Kibaki got to the highest office in the land.

No doubt, Matiba helped usher in the second liberation of Kenya against the Moi regime. All over, there are obituaries and eulogies of the man, from his KFF days to minister and to opposition activist (not leader). What is missing in the stories is the way Matiba almost single handedly brought down the opposition in 1992. As Ford Kenya gathered storm and was certain of Jaramogi occupying State House, Matiba launched a breakaway party called Ford Asili with Martin Shikuku (who ate ugali in State House) and made sure Jaramogi did not achieve his dream. With that Kenya never recovered and the second liberation was a sham (Gen Kiguoya took over instead, leading us to where we are today). Matiba did some good things, but as people eulogize him, this unfortunate footnote in history must also occupy its place.

So in the typical African style, every big man dies a hero and every big woman an angel. Matiba bewitched Kenya. Afadhali Rubia.

[RV Pundit]

Both Matiba and Jaramogi were flawed characters who were not physically ready to govern. Jaramogi was already a cabbage and died immediately after the election. Matiba after suffering two strokes was mentally incapacitated. They would have done worst than Moi. In fact maybe there would be no kenya to talk about now.

The only sane choice in 1992 and 1997 and 2002 was MWAI KIBAKI. The opposition were not ready to accept that reality -and Moi got another decade.

[GeeMail]

Wrong. Jaramogi died in 1994, a whole two years after he was betrayed by the ugali eaters. Matiba's strokes were state-induced, whether through Ugali or stress at Nyayo House chambers. What's the greater incapacitation and flaw: the inability of young, energetic leaders to resist the urge to amass wealth corruptly, gain power by fraud, or the enduring energy of octogenerians to fight for justice and equity in Kenya?

Both Matiba and Jaramogi were flawed characters who were not physically ready to govern. Jaramogi was already a cabbage and died immediately after the election. Matiba after suffering two strokes was mentally incapacitated. They would have done worst than Moi. In fact maybe there would be no kenya to talk about now.

The only sane choice in 1992 and 1997 and 2002 was MWAI KIBAKI. The opposition were not ready to accept that reality -and Moi got another decade.

[RV Pundit]

Everyone knew Jaramogi was too old and sick to govern. Election was held on 29th 92 - and he died 1.3yrs late - you can calculate how many days he spent outside the hospital bed. Matiba whatever had happened - had reduced him to the cabbage he was to become. Yeah the Matiba prior to that was nimble mind - and would have made a great president in the 80s. Jaramogi I never really give him much thought - he was just a Luo king.

The best man for the job.

Wrong. Jaramogi died in 1994, a whole two years after he was betrayed by the ugali eaters. Matiba's strokes were state-induced, whether through Ugali or stress at Nyayo House chambers. What's the greater incapacitation and flaw: the inability of young, energetic leaders to resist the urge to amass wealth corruptly, gain power by fraud, or the enduring energy of octogenerians to fight for justice and equity in Kenya?

[GeeMail]

Sickness of ripe old age is innocent. How about sickness of corruption and fraud in youth?

[Kichwa]

Mshamba-and you think ouru is fit to govern-you probably think governing is running a marathon. There is a moral and integrity part of governing that you which does not mean anything in the part of the world that you come from.

Everyone knew Jaramogi was too old and sick to govern. Election was held on 29th 92 - and he died 1.3yrs late - you can calculate how many days he spent outside the hospital bed. Matiba whatever had happened - had reduced him to the cabbage he was to become. Yeah the Matiba prior to that was nimble mind - and would have made a great president in the 80s. Jaramogi I never really give him much thought - he was just a Luo king.

The best man for the job.

Wrong. Jaramogi died in 1994, a whole two years after he was betrayed by the ugali eaters. Matiba's strokes were state-induced, whether through Ugali or stress at Nyayo House chambers. What's the greater incapacitation and flaw: the inability of young, energetic leaders to resist the urge to amass wealth corruptly, gain power by fraud, or the enduring energy of octogenerians to fight for justice and equity in Kenya?

[RV Pundit]

He is already governing - won 2 elections - it irrelevant what you think. As for Jaramogi - your man was too old to govern in 1992 and too sick.

Mshamba-and you think ouru is fit to govern-you probably think governing is running a marathon. There is a moral and integrity part of governing that you which does not mean anything in the part of the world that you come from.

[hk]

There's this narrative that somehow matiba is the one who split Ford. The man only wanted fair nominations. And its clear from the results of 1992 he was right he should have been the flagbearer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenyan_general_election,_1992 .

[GeeMail]

By that same logic, the flagbearer should have been Moi himself.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

There's this narrative that somehow matiba is the one who split Ford. The man only wanted fair nominations. And its clear from the results of 1992 he was right he should have been the flagbearer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenyan_general_election,_1992 .

Matiba's Ford Asili actually did very well.  He probably won.  The last three elections have nothing on the Moi days in terms of a lack of level playing field. 

[RV Pundit]

Precisely. But thank goodness..because Matiba after two strokes..was a cabbage.

There's this narrative that somehow matiba is the one who split Ford. The man only wanted fair nominations. And its clear from the results of 1992 he was right he should have been the flagbearer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenyan_general_election,_1992 .

[RV Pundit]

That is true. Kenya has come so far. Still Matiba would not have met the 25% in 5 province and neither F-Asili have had members to govern.

Matiba's Ford Asili actually did very well.  He probably won.  The last three elections have nothing on the Moi days in terms of a lack of level playing field. 

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

That is true. Kenya has come so far. Still Matiba would not have met the 25% in 5 province and neither F-Asili have had members to govern.

Matiba's Ford Asili actually did very well.  He probably won.  The last three elections have nothing on the Moi days in terms of a lack of level playing field. 

Yeah.  There was this 25% thing.   Even then, everything was just KANU.  I mean the election commissioner, Chesoni I believe, was basically an appointee of Moi.  So if Matiba got 25%, they could just fix it.  The whole thing was a laughable sham.

[RV Pundit]

Apart from Shikuku - Matiba was just a kikuyu nationalist.Therefore he would have had problem governing. That I think is where Moi and Jaramogi were better - they had nationalistic ideals. Kibaki was also nothing more than Nyeri man - it wasn't until opposition merge that he became a reluctant national leader.

Yeah.  There was this 25% thing.   Even then, everything was just KANU.  I mean the election commissioner, Chesoni I believe, was basically an appointee of Moi.  So if Matiba got 25%, they could just fix it.  The whole thing was a laughable sham.

[hk]

Apart from Shikuku - Matiba was just a kikuyu nationalist.Therefore he would have had problem governing. That I think is where Moi and Jaramogi were better - they had nationalistic ideals. Kibaki was also nothing more than Nyeri man - it wasn't until opposition merge that he became a reluctant national leader.

So basically in 1992 matiba garnered 25.7% of the total vote and he had kiambu,riftvalley, muranga and nairobi kiuks plus a few kakamega votes only. So matiba was less of a nationalist because bulk of his votes came from one tribe even though the end result he bagged 25% of the votes?  Kibaki had nyeri, kirinyaga, half of nyandarua plus gema eastern(meru and embu). In my humble opinion, if ford had held fair nominations two major things would have happened. 1. Kibaki would have been forced to join Ford or remain in kanu. 2. The civil society influence in our politics would have been diminished. Why Matiba would have won the nominations(self made and assured man) and the muites,kiraitu, nyongo etc influence would have dissipated. that's my opinion after a couple of heinkens .

[RV Pundit]

But after two strokes - he was a cabbage (and has remained so) - he didn't even know his name and had to learn ABCD learn a kid. So it's good he was rigged out - just like it's good Raila was rigged out by Kibaki in 2007.

Such a shame the family didn't put their foot down - and allowed the cabbage matiba to basically squander all his money when his faculties were like  2%.

I think kibaki would have been perfect for 92 - odinga and matiba were just cabbages - and by time we elected kibaki in 2002 - he was also starting to become cabbage.

Uhuru is such a nice break - at least for once we have somebody who can string a coherent sentence.

So basically in 1992 matiba garnered 25.7% of the total vote and he had kiambu,riftvalley, muranga and nairobi kiuks plus a few kakamega votes only. So matiba was less of a nationalist because bulk of his votes came from one tribe even though the end result he bagged 25% of the votes?  Kibaki had nyeri, kirinyaga, half of nyandarua plus gema eastern(meru and embu). In my humble opinion, if ford had held fair nominations two major things would have happened. 1. Kibaki would have been forced to join Ford or remain in kanu. 2. The civil society influence in our politics would have been diminished. Why Matiba would have won the nominations(self made and assured man) and the muites,kiraitu, nyongo etc influence would have dissipated. that's my opinion after a couple of heinkens .

[gout]

Matiba's death is a good history class on where we have been and where we want to go. The generation that has been born and grown under the Kibaki boom has a chance to glimpse at what crazy leadership can do to individuals, the economy and teh whole country. The death is a comma to the talk of need for dictators for Kenya to move forward by the naive youngsters and the older guys who had forgot about the plunder and tortures of dictators Kenyatta and Moi.